| IVOD_ID |
171084 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/171084 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-5-22,15-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化、內政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化、內政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-19T10:05:55+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-19T10:16:39+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0db75461a96d9b805de3de653e96c801c288d97a61ada355f0d91e61b44ec3a78406a17fcd3ca4bb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:05:55 - 10:16:39 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化、內政委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查
(一) 委員黃仁等17人擬具「原住民族學校法草案」案。
(二) 委員高金素梅等24人擬具「原住民族學校法草案」案。
(三) 委員伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe等17人擬具「原住民族學校法草案」案。
(四) 委員林倩綺等16人擬具「原住民族學校法草案」案。
(五) 委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等17人擬具「原住民族學校法草案」案。
(六) 委員伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe等16人擬具「原住民族學校法草案」案。
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好 謝謝主席 |
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有請原民會副主委還有教文處長 |
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以及教育部的張廖萬尖次長 |
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次長 副主委 |
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委員好 |
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好 今天很高興 |
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因為這一屆原住民族學校訪 |
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又開始排審了 |
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但是時間已經過了一半 |
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所以我希望大家可以繼續 |
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我簡單講 |
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在我們的憲法其實講得很清楚 |
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就是國家要積極維護 |
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原住民族的語言及文化的發展 |
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但是我們可以看到 |
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我們現在每一年 |
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從蔡英文政府到賴清德政府 |
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特別編列了許多 |
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附贈語言文化發展的經費 |
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可是 |
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我們不可否認 |
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原住民的語言 |
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到底能不能夠保存 |
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這個是一個非常大的問號 |
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因此如果沒有透過 |
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一個學校的力量 |
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74 |
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完全要透過社會以及家庭 |
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77 |
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我們想這個目標是完全無法達到的 |
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所以呢 |
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那個時候的原住民族教育法 |
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85 |
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這個時候的原住民族教育法 |
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85 |
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88 |
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民國78年三讀訂定 |
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88 |
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這個部分就有特別提到了 |
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91 |
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94 |
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各級政府要來設立 |
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96 |
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各級原住民族學校或 |
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99 |
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原住民族的教育班 |
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102 |
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我想這個脈絡非常的清楚 |
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那當然我們很清楚知道 |
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在104年的11月 |
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110 |
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103年的11月 |
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113 |
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我們在演三法的通過 |
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是給了原住民族 |
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要發展語言文化民族教育 |
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122 |
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一個很重要的一個契機 |
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但是我們看到現在 |
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雖然有幾十所 |
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看起來是各族群遍地開花 |
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134 |
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可是我們依舊沒有辦法看到 |
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134 |
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136 |
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語言存續的希望 |
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136 |
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138 |
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可是我們很肯定 |
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138 |
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141 |
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我自己也一直努力 |
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141 |
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144 |
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我們的民族教育文化的發展 |
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144 |
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147 |
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確實有在原住民族實驗學校 |
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150 |
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我們有看到這樣的一個成果 |
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也累積了一定的能量 |
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153 |
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156 |
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所以在這裡既然國家給我們 |
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158 |
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這樣的一個目標 |
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158 |
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161 |
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我們也有了原住民族教育法 |
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161 |
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163 |
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來做法源依據要設效 |
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163 |
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165 |
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我們來看一下 |
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165 |
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168 |
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新竹科學園區設置管理條例 |
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168 |
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170 |
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它的法源是來自於 |
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172 |
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高級中等教育法第11條 |
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172 |
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所以新竹科學園區 |
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175 |
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它也可以來申請設效 |
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178 |
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但是沒有規定它到底要設幾校 |
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因為有了法源依據 |
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183 |
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186 |
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你符合資格你就來申請啊 |
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186 |
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189 |
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所以像我們的警察大學 |
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189 |
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191 |
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警察專科學校一樣 |
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191 |
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194 |
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它是透過警察法 |
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194 |
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195 |
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來設立 |
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195 |
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196 |
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所以今天 |
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196 |
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199 |
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如果我們有了原住民族學校法 |
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199 |
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它到底為了要解決什麼問題 |
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202 |
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我想非常的清楚 |
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204 |
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因為我們第一個 |
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207 |
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原住民族委員會 |
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209 |
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211 |
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到底能不能辦學校 |
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213 |
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次長您告訴我能不能辦學校 |
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213 |
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214 |
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當然可以 |
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214 |
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215 |
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當然可以對不對 |
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215 |
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那原民會你們願不願意辦學校 |
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220 |
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當然在這個資源人力 |
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222 |
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是充足的之下是可以 |
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223 |
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如果說以現行這樣看是有它的難度 |
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226 |
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你們也願意辦學校 |
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227 |
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你們也有法源依據 |
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229 |
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232 |
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也規定你們應該要辦學校對不對 |
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232 |
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233 |
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好 |
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233 |
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234 |
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那現在問題來了 |
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234 |
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236 |
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我剛剛一直講 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
236 |
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239 |
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語言這個東西是跟時間賽跑 |
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239 |
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244 |
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我在15年前 |
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如果那個時候可以有原住民族學校法 |
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247 |
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251 |
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我們今天應該已經可以看到 |
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251 |
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253 |
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在中華民國有一所學校 |
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253 |
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255 |
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學生畢了業走出去 |
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255 |
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257 |
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每一個都會講族語 |
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257 |
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260 |
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我們應該已經可以看到 |
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260 |
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262 |
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為什麼 |
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262 |
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264 |
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因為在那個時候 |
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264 |
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265 |
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我們在屏東縣 |
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265 |
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267 |
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我還找得到 |
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267 |
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272 |
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具備非常良好族語能力的教師 |
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272 |
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275 |
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我講的是一班教師 |
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275 |
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277 |
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專任教師 |
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277 |
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279 |
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我至少那個時候 |
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279 |
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281 |
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我們屏東縣還能夠湊個 |
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281 |
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283 |
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至少三間學校 |
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283 |
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285 |
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有足夠的師資量 |
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285 |
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288 |
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但是15年之後 |
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288 |
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292 |
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到底能不能湊成一間學校我都不知道 |
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292 |
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297 |
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因為我們想要做的失陪速度跟不上 |
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297 |
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300 |
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但是如果我們15年前就做了 |
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300 |
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302 |
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我相信這樣的孩子 |
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302 |
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305 |
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他已經可以站到教室成為一個 |
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305 |
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307 |
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會講族語的專任教師 |
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307 |
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310 |
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我講的不是族語教師 |
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310 |
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313 |
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所以我不知道我們還要等多久 |
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313 |
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315 |
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如果我們要繼續等 |
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315 |
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318 |
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在10年之後不用立這個法了 |
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318 |
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320 |
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師資培育也來不及 |
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320 |
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324 |
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現場的老師也都全部退休光了 |
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324 |
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328 |
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所以我在這個地方要特別的來聲明 |
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328 |
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330 |
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但是呢 |
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330 |
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332 |
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我們的師資 |
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332 |
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334 |
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我們要繼續的努力 |
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334 |
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336 |
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我們要繼續的努力 |
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336 |
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338 |
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可是為什麼要有這部法 |
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338 |
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340 |
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當年我說我要湊成一間學校 |
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340 |
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341 |
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我湊不到 |
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341 |
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343 |
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因為沒有這個法 |
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343 |
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345 |
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我的那些老師 |
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345 |
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347 |
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他沒有辦法有彈性 |
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347 |
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350 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
能夠調動借聘到 |
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350 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
353 |
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我們所謂的原住民主學校 |
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353 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
355 |
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我部落會講族語的老師 |
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355 |
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357 |
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他人在台北市 |
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357 |
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359 |
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他也沒有辦法有那個彈性 |
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359 |
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361 |
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調回來到這個原住民學校 |
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361 |
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363 |
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所以為什麼我們要有這個法 |
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363 |
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366 |
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沒有這個法我們現行我們做不到 |
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367 |
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369 |
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那我們的師資有了之後 |
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369 |
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371 |
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我們的課程 |
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371 |
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374 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
我相信這些年的原住民主實驗 |
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374 |
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377 |
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教育的能量已經讓大家看到了 |
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377 |
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379 |
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大家一直很擔心 |
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379 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
380 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
讀這個學校 |
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380 |
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383 |
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學生會不會不能銜接 |
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384 |
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386 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
會不會學習失敗 |
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388 |
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390 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
我們做這個課程改革 |
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390 |
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393 |
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就是因為要呼應我們要解職 |
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393 |
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395 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
今天我們的原住民的孩子 |
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395 |
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398 |
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他所上的學校 |
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398 |
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400 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
他所讀的教材 |
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400 |
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403 |
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沒有依據他的文化 |
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403 |
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407 |
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我們再依據別人的文化主體來學習 |
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407 |
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410 |
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但是這幾年實驗學校 |
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410 |
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412 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
我們發展的課程教材 |
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412 |
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415 |
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我們發現我們依據國家的課綱 |
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415 |
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418 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
但是我們以他的族群為本位 |
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418 |
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421 |
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我們發現孩子他很樂意學 |
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421 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
423 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
他很容易懂 |
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423 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
425 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
他的文化回應 |
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425 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
426 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
他知道他是誰 |
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426 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
430 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
他現在讀的是在跟客家文化對話 |
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430 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
432 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
跟漢人文化對話 |
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432 |
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436 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
跟國外的文化在對話 |
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436 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
439 |
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他知道他從自己的文化出發 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
439 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
441 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
他有那樣的文化脈絡 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
441 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
443 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
他樂意學他容易懂 |
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443 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
447 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
很自然他的學習成效是提升的 |
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447 |
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450 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
甚至他的課程回家 |
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450 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
453 |
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是可以跟我們做代歼學習 |
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453 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
456 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
他的祖父母是可以跟他 |
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456 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
458 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
一起做共學討論 |
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458 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
460 |
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所以我在這個地方 |
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460 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
462 |
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我必須要去做這樣的一個說明 |
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462 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
465 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
但是我們需要一部法來支撐 |
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465 |
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470 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
因為我們的整個學校的師資 |
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470 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
472 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
我們的課程的培育 |
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472 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
475 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
我們需要這一部法來支撐 |
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475 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
477 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
甚至像我們現在 |
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477 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
480 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
在一些上次的公聽會提到的 |
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480 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
483 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
像花蓮的Tamaro族語學員 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
483 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
487 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
他們的孩子從幼兒園銜接到國小 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
487 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
489 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
他們是非學型態 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
489 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
491 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
用實驗三法 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
491 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
493 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
可是他們的孩子畢了業 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
493 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
495 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
都會講族語 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
495 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
498 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
我們在高中 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
498 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
500 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
有一個基隆的八朵高中 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
500 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
504 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
他們很想接住這樣的學生 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
504 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
505 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
到他們的學校 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
505 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
507 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
因為他們八朵高中的孩子 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
507 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
510 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
80%都能夠通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
510 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
513 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
中高級的族語認證 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
513 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
516 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
所以原住民族學校 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
516 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
519 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
它不見得會很多間 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
519 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
521 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
但是它必須跟時間賽跑 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
521 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
524 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
要不然原住民的語言 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
524 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
526 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
我認為十年之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
526 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
528 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
我們再也沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
528 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
找到任何可以去延續的 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
532 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
一個附贈點 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
532 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
534 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
我們充其量只能夠透過 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
534 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
536 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
這些教材 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
536 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
539 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
我們去認識我們的民族教育 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
539 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
540 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
知道我們的文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
540 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
543 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
但是我們的語言恐怕接不起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
543 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
545 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
所以在這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
545 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
547 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
我希望在一個月內 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
547 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
549 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
針對這些爭點 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
549 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
552 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
跟地方政府的溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
552 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
554 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
我希望我們教育部 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
554 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
556 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
跟原民會一個月內 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
556 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
557 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
我強調一個月內 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
557 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
559 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
我們是在跟時間賽跑 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
559 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
561 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
可以去盤點 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
561 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
563 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
我剛才所講的這一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
563 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
565 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
提出一個書面報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
565 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
567 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
還有我們目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
567 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
570 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
這些所有委員的草案版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
570 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
571 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
去做一個比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
571 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
573 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
跟修法的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
573 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
576 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
所以今天我們排這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
576 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
578 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
原住民族學校法開始審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
578 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
579 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
這是這一屆第一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
579 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
580 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
上一屆也有 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
580 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
582 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
都不了了之 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
582 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
583 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
因為沒有共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
583 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
585 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
我也坦承沒有共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
585 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
587 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
但是我要再強調一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
587 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
589 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
原住民的語言 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
589 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
591 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
原住民族的語言跟文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
591 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
593 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
是在跟時間賽跑 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
594 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
597 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
而且能做一間就做一間 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
597 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
600 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
但是需要一部法來支撐 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
600 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
602 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
讓我們能夠建立起 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
602 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
604 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
這樣能夠純粹語言文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
604 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
606 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
提升學習成效的 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
606 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
608 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
這樣的一個學校 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
608 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
610 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
那我不曉得原民會 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
610 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
611 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
我針對這樣一個月內的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
611 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
612 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
612 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
614 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
可以我們會按照委員剛剛所提點的 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
614 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
616 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
不管是這個法律的檢視上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
617 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
619 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
各版本的比較修法的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
619 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
621 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
我們應該怎麼樣去克服 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
621 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
622 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
我們會有書面報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
622 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
623 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
一個月內給委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
623 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
624 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
624 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
625 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
謝謝委員指導 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
625 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
626 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
謝謝那教育部 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
626 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
628 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
我們就配合原民會的規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
628 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
630 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
我們會全力配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
630 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
632 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
那你們會有一個平台討論嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
632 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
634 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
有我們本來就有一個平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
634 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
636 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
那一個月內的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
636 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
638 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
你們會有平台可以討論嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
638 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
640 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
我們可以為了這個再討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
640 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
642 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
好謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
642 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
644 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
謝謝 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-08-19T10:05:55.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-08-19T10:06:05.666667+08:00 |
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謝謝主席，有請原民會副主委、教文處處長、教育部的張廖萬堅次長。 |
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0.926 |
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主席 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-08-19T10:06:06.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-08-19T10:06:07.600000+08:00 |
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請副主委、處長和次長。 |
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0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
張廖次長萬堅 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-08-19T10:06:08+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-08-19T10:06:10+08:00 |
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委員好。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-08-19T10:06:10.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-08-19T10:06:19.800000+08:00 |
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今天很高興，因為這一屆原住民族學校法又開始排審了，但是時間已經過了一半。 |
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0.97 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-08-19T10:06:22+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
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2026-08-19T10:06:58.727273+08:00 |
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我簡單講，我們的憲法其實講得很清楚，國家要積極維護原住民族的語言及文化的發展，我們可以看到從蔡英文政府到賴清德政府，每一年都特別編列許多復振語言文化發展的經費，但是不可否認的，原住民的語言到底能不能夠保存是一個非常大的問號。 |
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0.924 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-08-19T10:07:00+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-08-19T10:07:36.727273+08:00 |
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如果沒有透過學校的力量，完全要透過社會以及家庭，我們想這個目標是完全無法達到的，所以當初原住民族教育法在民國78年三讀訂定時，就有特別提到各級政府要設立各級原住民族學校或原住民族教育班，我想這個脈絡非常清楚。 |
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0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-08-19T10:07:37.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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2026-08-19T10:08:10.714286+08:00 |
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當然我們很清楚知道，103年11月實驗三法的通過是給了原住民族發展語言文化、民族教育一個很重要的契機，但是我們看到現在，雖然有幾十所，看起來是各族群遍地開花，可是依舊沒有辦法看到語言存續的希望。 |
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0.976 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-08-19T10:08:11.571429+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T10:09:16.750000+08:00 |
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我們很肯定這些年走來，我自己也一直努力，關於我們的民族教育、文化發展，確實在原住民族實驗學校有看到這樣的成果，也累積了一定的能量，所以在這裡我要說既然國家給我們這樣的目標，也有了原住民族教育法做為法源依據要設校，我們來看一下科學園區設置管理條例，它的法源是來自於高級中等教育法第十一條，所以新竹科學園區也可以來申請設校，但是沒有規定它到底要設幾校，因為有了法源依據，你符合資格就來申請，就像警察大學、警察專科學校一樣，它是透過警察法來設立，所以今天如果我們有了原住民族學校法，它到底要解決什麼問題？ |
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0.93 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-08-19T10:09:17+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-08-19T10:09:25.750000+08:00 |
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我想非常清楚，第一個，原住民族委員會到底能不能辦學校？ |
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1 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-08-19T10:09:26+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-08-19T10:09:27.833333+08:00 |
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次長，您告訴我它能不能辦學校？ |
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0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
張廖次長萬堅 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-08-19T10:09:28+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-08-19T10:09:28.750000+08:00 |
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當然可以。 |
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1 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-08-19T10:09:29+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-08-19T10:09:29.857143+08:00 |
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當然可以對不對？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-08-19T10:09:30+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-08-19T10:09:34.615385+08:00 |
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那原民會你們願不願意辦學校？ |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
杜副主任委員張梅莊 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-08-19T10:09:35+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-08-19T10:09:40.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
當然在資源、人力充足的狀況之下是可以的，但如果以現行狀況來看是有它的難度。 |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.794 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-08-19T10:09:41+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-08-19T10:09:41.875000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
你們也願意辦學校…… |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
杜副主任委員張梅莊 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-08-19T10:09:41.875000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-08-19T10:09:42.875000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
只有人力和資源各方面都可以…… |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-08-19T10:09:42+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-08-19T10:09:46.785714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
你們也有法源依據，也規定你們應該要辦學校，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-08-19T10:09:48+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-08-19T10:09:53.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
那現在問題來了，我剛剛一直講語言這個東西是跟時間賽跑。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-08-19T10:09:56.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-08-19T10:10:16.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
15年前，如果那個時候有原住民族學校法，我們今天應該已經可以看到在中華民國有一所學校的學生畢了業、走出去，每一個都會講族語，我們應該已經可以看到，為什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.985 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-08-19T10:10:17+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-08-19T10:10:51.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
因為那個時候我們在屏東縣還找得到具備非常良好族語能力的教師，我講的是一般教師、專任教師，至少那個時候我們屏東縣還能夠湊到至少3間學校，有足夠的師資量；但是15年之後，到底能不能湊成1間學校，我都不知道，因為我們想要做的師培速度跟不上。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-08-19T10:10:52.545455+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-08-19T10:11:04.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
如果我們15年前就做了，我相信孩子已經可以站到教室，成為一個會講族語的專任教師，我講的不是族語教師。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-08-19T10:11:05.461538+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-08-19T10:11:07.769231+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
我不知道我們還要等多久？ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-08-19T10:11:08+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-08-19T10:11:22.733333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
如果要繼續等，可能10年之後就不用立這個法了，因為師資培育也來不及，現場的老師都全部退休光了，所以我在這個地方要特別聲明。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.907 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-08-19T10:11:25+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-08-19T10:11:32.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
即便如此，我們的師資還是要繼續努力，可是為什麼要有這部法？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-08-19T10:11:33+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-08-19T10:11:47.727273+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
當年我說要湊成1間學校卻湊不到，因為沒有這個法，老師沒有辦法彈性地調動、介聘到原住民族學校。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.902 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-08-19T10:11:48+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-08-19T10:11:55.818182+08:00 |
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我部落會講族語的老師人在臺北市，他也沒有辦法有彈性調回到原住民學校。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-08-19T10:11:56+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-08-19T10:11:57.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
所以為什麼我們要有這個法？ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-08-19T10:11:58+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-08-19T10:12:00.785714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
因為沒有這個法，我們現行做不到。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-08-19T10:12:02.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-08-19T10:12:11.769231+08:00 |
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有了師資之後，關於課程，我相信這些年原住民族實驗教育的能量已經讓大家看到了。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-08-19T10:12:12+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-08-19T10:12:17.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
大家一直很擔心學生讀這個學校會不會不能銜接？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-08-19T10:12:19+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-08-19T10:12:20.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
會不會學習失敗？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-08-19T10:12:23+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-08-19T10:12:27.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
我們做這個課程改革，就是因為要呼應我們要解殖。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-08-19T10:12:28+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-08-19T10:12:41.733333+08:00 |
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今天我們原住民的孩子上的學校、讀的教材沒有依據他的文化，而是依據別人的文化主體來學習。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-08-19T10:12:42.666667+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T10:13:32.714286+08:00 |
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從這幾年實驗學校發展的課程教材看來，我們發現雖然依據國家的課綱，但是實驗學校以族群為本位，孩子很樂意學、很容易懂、有文化回應，他知道他是誰，知道現在讀的是在跟客家文化對話、跟漢人文化對話、跟國外的文化對話，他從自己的文化出發，有那樣的文化脈絡，他樂意學、容易懂，很自然地，學習成效是提升的，甚至回家以後，他的課程可以做代間學習，祖父母可以跟他一起做共學討論。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.887 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-08-19T10:13:33.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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2026-08-19T10:13:49.727273+08:00 |
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我在這個地方必須做這樣的說明，但是我們需要一部法來支撐，因為整個學校的師資、課程的培育需要這部法來支撐。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-08-19T10:13:50+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-08-19T10:14:09.600000+08:00 |
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甚至像上次公聽會提到花蓮Tamorak族語學園的孩子從幼兒園銜接到國小，他們是非學型態，用實驗三法，孩子畢了業都會講族語。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.93 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-08-19T10:14:11.800000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-08-19T10:14:27.625000+08:00 |
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基隆八斗高中很想接住這樣的學生到他們的學校，因為八斗高中的孩子80%都能夠通過中高級的族語認證。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.886 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-08-19T10:14:28.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-08-19T10:14:57.769231+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
原住民族學校不見得會有很多間，但是必須跟時間賽跑，要不然原住民的語言，我認為10年之後，我們可能再也沒有辦法找到任何一個可以延續的復振點，充其量只能夠透過這些教材去認識我們的民族教育、知道我們的文化，但是我們的語言恐怕接不起來。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-08-19T10:14:58.571429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-08-19T10:15:27.666667+08:00 |
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在這個部分，我希望針對這些爭點跟地方政府溝通，請教育部跟原民會在一個月內（我強調一個月內，因為我們是在跟時間賽跑），可以盤點我剛才所講的這些，提出一個書面報告，還有針對目前所有委員的草案版本去做比較並提出修法的意見。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-08-19T10:15:28.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-08-19T10:15:37.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
今天我們排訂原住民族學校法開始審查，這是這一屆第一次，上一屆也有，都不了了之，因為沒有共識。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.976 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-08-19T10:15:38+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-08-19T10:16:06.666667+08:00 |
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我也坦承沒有共識，但是我要再強調一次，原住民族的語言跟文化是在跟時間賽跑，能做一間就做一間，並且需要一部法來支撐，讓我們能夠建立起存續語言文化、提升學習成效的學校，不曉得原民會針對我提出一個月內的要求，可以做到嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.908 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
杜副主任委員張梅莊 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-08-19T10:16:07+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-08-19T10:16:10.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
可以，我們會按照委員剛剛所提點的，不管是法律的檢視上面…… |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-08-19T10:16:12+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-08-19T10:16:13.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
各版本的比較、修法的意見。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
杜副主任委員張梅莊 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-08-19T10:16:14+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-08-19T10:16:19.833333+08:00 |
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還有不足的部分我們應該怎麼樣去克服，我們會有書面報告，一個月內給委員，謝謝委員指導。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.816 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-08-19T10:16:20+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-08-19T10:16:20.166667+08:00 |
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好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-08-19T10:16:20.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-08-19T10:16:20.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
教育部呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
張廖次長萬堅 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-08-19T10:16:21+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-08-19T10:16:24.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
我們就配合原民會的規劃，我們會全力配合。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-08-19T10:16:25.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-08-19T10:16:26.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
你們會有一個平臺討論嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
張廖次長萬堅 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-08-19T10:16:27+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-08-19T10:16:28.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
有，我們本來就有一個平臺，業務…… |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
杜副主任委員張梅莊 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-08-19T10:16:28.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-08-19T10:16:29.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
我們本來就有。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-08-19T10:16:29.285714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-08-19T10:16:32.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
一個月內的話，你們會有平臺可以討論嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
杜副主任委員張梅莊 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-08-19T10:16:33+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-08-19T10:16:34.454545+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
我們可以為了這個再開會。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
張廖次長萬堅 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-08-19T10:16:34.454545+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-08-19T10:16:35.454545+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
再開會。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-08-19T10:16:35.454545+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-08-19T10:16:36.454545+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
OK，好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.2 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-08-19T10:16:35.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-08-19T10:16:36.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
謝謝主席。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-08-19T10:16:37.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-08-19T10:16:39.671429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
感謝伍麗華召委質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.111 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-08-19T10:16:39.971429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-08-19T10:16:42.257143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
請吳思瑤委員質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0 |