| IVOD_ID |
170951 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170951 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第23次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
23 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第23次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-12T12:02:55+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-12T12:16:27+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:32 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/628bd009efdbf44bb3888da232865e362dd155ae7acf52ac4fa83c81605d0cf7edfb78fde1fab8a35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳清龍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:02:55 - 12:16:27 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第23次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請內政部部長、國土管理署署長、財政部、金融監督管理委員會、中央銀行就「高房價環境下青年安心成家購屋優惠貸款3.0政策檢討：青年購屋門檻、首購資格認定、年齡限制、申貸年齡與核貸年限總合限制及政策上路對於落實居住正義、健全房市政策與配套措施」進行專題報告並備質詢。二、邀請內政部部長、國土管理署署長就「落實居住正義之困境與對策：十三萬戶社宅興辦檢討、都更社宅容獎制度失靈，暨行政院租賃市場修法三大方向(保障租期、限制漲幅、強化權益)之執行進度」進行專題報告並備質詢。） |
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花董事長敬群 |
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劉部長世芳 |
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林司長家正 |
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0 |
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27.3 |
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主席說 臺灣民眾黨有召開記者會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].start |
27.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].end |
34.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].text |
針對我們出土中心跟召集武館的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].start |
34.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].end |
37.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].text |
我們開了記者會 我想董事長你也了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].start |
37.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].end |
39.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].text |
在這個過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].start |
39.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].end |
45.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].text |
我們也對董事長跟召集公司李俊成 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].start |
45.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].end |
54.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].text |
李先生的關係 交情 我們也做了一些了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].start |
54.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].end |
56.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].text |
那我今天用一點時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
56.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
60.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
讓董事長你來說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
60.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
65.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
你跟召集武館李俊成 董事長的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
65.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
66.5 |
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好不好 交情怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
66.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
68.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
那你自己說吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
70.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
71.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
你說啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
71.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
72.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
你不是要問我嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
72.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
74.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
沒有啊 我要你自己講啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
74.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
76.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
我這樣再問你啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
76.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
80.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
我剛剛其實也跟這位委員說過 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
80.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
81.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
我認識李俊成 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
81.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
83.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
當然是從世俠宅包租代管這些案 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
83.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
86.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
這個工作開始啟動之後認識的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
86.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
88.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
那同時在這個過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
88.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
91.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
我們也跟執行業的這個世俠包租代管的 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
91.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
94.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
各個業者 各縣市公會理事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
94.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
97.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
其實都是維持一貫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
97.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
99.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
大家的交流的一個模式 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
99.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
100.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
業務的交流嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
100.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
102.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
業務的交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
102.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
104.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
這個很正常嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
104.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
106.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
私交怎麼樣 交情怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
106.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
109.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
其實你說我跟這些理事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
109.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
112.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
理事長你說這個業務交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
112.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
114.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
因為大家真的都很同心協力的 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
114.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
116.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
要把這些事情都交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
116.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
118.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
所以說大家的所謂的業務交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
118.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
119.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
其實不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
119.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
120.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
業務交流是代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
120.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
124.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
業務即以公務 即以你監管的業務 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
124.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
127.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
是 所以貼近交流互動 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
127.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
129.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
我覺得這是必要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
129.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
131.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
因為我們的政策要求重 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
131.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
134.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
我是要問你 你跟他有一個交情嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
134.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
135.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
我對外的說過 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
135.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
138.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
有過一次其實那是過一次的失誤 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
138.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
142.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
也就是造機公司兩三年前 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
142.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
144.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
造機公司曾經辦過一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
144.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
147.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
陽明山平等里的水郡的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
147.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
148.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
就是您這張照片 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
148.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
151.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
這一次有二三十個業界的朋友 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
151.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
154.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
就這麼一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
154.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
155.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
就這麼一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
155.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
159.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
這一次不是為了業務 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
159.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
161.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
不是為了公務 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
161.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
163.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
就是為了這一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
163.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
164.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
再去交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
164.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
165.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
你參加就這一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
165.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
167.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
那我想請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
167.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
169.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
那李建成有沒有去 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
169.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
171.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
居住中心找你 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
171.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
173.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
大家都是為了業務交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
173.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
174.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
不是為了業務 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
174.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
177.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
所以基本上才會到辦公室找你 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
177.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
179.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
其實很多的理事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
179.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
180.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
為了業務 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
180.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
182.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
所以你跟他的交情也不錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
182.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
184.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
都是會來辦公室找我 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
184.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
185.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
不是只有李建成會來 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
185.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
188.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
很多的理事長業者都會來 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
188.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
190.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
所以為了公務 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
190.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
192.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
行政表上面都很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
192.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
194.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
我的行政表上面都很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
194.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
196.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
所以這就是一個廣告吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
196.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
197.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
當然是 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
197.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
198.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
這是公務 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
198.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
199.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
這是公務 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
199.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
201.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
這是公務嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
201.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
203.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
其實去日本考察 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
203.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
205.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
就是為了了解包租代管的業務 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
205.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
206.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
是怎麼推動的 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
206.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
207.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
公務嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
207.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
208.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
208.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
209.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
居城 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
209.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
210.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
210.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
211.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
也是公務 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
211.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
213.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
這裡面的所有都是理事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
213.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
214.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
這是公務 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
214.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
215.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
當然都是公務 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
215.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
216.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
公務也是公務 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
216.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
217.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
哪一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
217.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
218.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
有啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
218.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
220.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
這是他們的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
220.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
221.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
221.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
222.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
這是公務 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
222.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
224.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
我參加的委員多了 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
224.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
225.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
225.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
226.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
很多的公務的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
226.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
227.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
所以今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
227.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
229.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
要結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
229.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
231.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
我們董事長非常辛苦 |
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231.5 |
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234.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
為了包租代管的業務 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
234.5 |
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236.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
要陪著出國 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
236.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
238.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
要去參加委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
238.5 |
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240.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
這不是陪著出國喔 |
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240.5 |
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241.5 |
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是一起 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
241.5 |
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243.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
脆弱不斷的 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
243.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
245.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
一起出國考察喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
245.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
247.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
要去居城 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
247.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
248.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
要去聯誼 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
248.5 |
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250.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
要去參加委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
250.5 |
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253.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
從頭都是為了公務 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
253.5 |
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255.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
只有一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
255.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
257.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
去江陵山跑山 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
257.5 |
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259.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
其實這是所有 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
259.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
260.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
推動政務局的行人 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
260.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
262.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
必須要的態度和作法 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
262.5 |
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264.5 |
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這是投案嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
264.5 |
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265.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
確定管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
265.5 |
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266.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
確定公務 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
266.5 |
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268.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
那我再來請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
268.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
270.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
包租代管 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
270.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
272.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
現在爆發了 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
272.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
273.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
基居企業嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
273.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
275.5 |
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在職投資公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
275.5 |
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| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
還有在職武館 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
277.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
279.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
這樣有一些狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
279.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
280.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
280.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
282.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
我也知道董事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
282.5 |
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284.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
您已經也回覆很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
284.5 |
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285.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
市卓瑞委員嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
285.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
288.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
那我還是一樣的質疑嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
288.5 |
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289.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
我們說 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
289.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
291.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
任何一個危急的處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
291.5 |
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294.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
既然我們這麼大的業務 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
294.5 |
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296.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
包租代管的業務 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
296.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
298.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
已經都由我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
298.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
300.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
召集武館在處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
300.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
302.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
那目前處理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
302.5 |
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304.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
基金稅確定了 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
304.5 |
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306.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
他沒辦法來服務了 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
306.5 |
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308.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
你剛剛也在答詢的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
308.5 |
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310.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
你明信在協助嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
310.5 |
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311.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
展卸嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
311.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
313.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
由其他的方面來協嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
313.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
316.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
那一樣有問到 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
316.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
318.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
你們有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
318.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
320.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
今天他的財務問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
320.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
322.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
危及到造基 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
322.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
325.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
本身這麼暗量 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
325.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
327.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
服兩這麼大的公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
327.5 |
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329.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
如果他也出狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
329.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
330.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
你們要怎麼來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
330.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
331.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
根本報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
331.5 |
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334.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
因為造基現在公會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
334.5 |
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就是中央版的有8000多件 |
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336.5 |
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339.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
縣市政府六都的有7000多件 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
339.5 |
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341.5 |
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大家大概差不多啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
341.5 |
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343.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
那現階段當然我們處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
343.5 |
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346.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
基金稅確定的這個月 |
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346.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
347.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
因為現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
347.5 |
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348.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
我要跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
348.5 |
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350.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
你現在是很理想的狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
350.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
352.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
基金稅6百萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
352.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
353.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
6千萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
353.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
354.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
6千萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
354.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
357.5 |
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我們這段就來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
357.5 |
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358.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
你有沒有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
358.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
360.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
假設我這樣假設 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
360.5 |
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361.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
未來這幾天 |
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361.5 |
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363.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
因為這個狀況很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
363.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
364.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
是 |
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364.5 |
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366.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
如果造基又出狀況 |
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366.5 |
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368.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
你們有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
368.5 |
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370.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
所謂的劇本 |
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370.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
372.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
有所謂的意義包含 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
372.5 |
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374.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
算給委員聽啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
374.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
376.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
我們現在六都的業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
376.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
377.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
縣市版 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
377.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
378.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
公會版的業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
378.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
379.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
有90家 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
379.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
381.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
六都有90家 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
381.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
383.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
那造基加上 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
383.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
384.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
基金稅6千6 |
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384.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
386.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
我說除下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
386.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
387.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
我說處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
387.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
388.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
6千6除以90 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
388.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
390.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
大概就是70 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
390.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
391.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
70案左右 |
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391.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
393.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
就是一家業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
393.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
395.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
所以說沒助處理70個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
395.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
397.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
就是處理寄居協嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
397.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
399.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
如果造基再進來 |
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399.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
401.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
大概就是增加到150 |
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401.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
404.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
所以你們有劇本了嘛 |
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404.5 |
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407.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
其實當然要準備 |
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407.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
409.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
已經有準備 |
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409.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
411.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
當然有準備 |
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411.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
413.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
所以說我們要讓 |
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413.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
414.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
房東 |
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414.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
415.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
房客 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
415.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
416.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
要很安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
416.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
417.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
今天的執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
417.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
419.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
最主要就是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
419.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
420.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
董事長你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
420.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
422.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
你們都有準備 |
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422.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
423.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
已經包括了 |
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423.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
425.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
如果今天 |
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425.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
427.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
造基又出狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
427.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
429.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
你們一樣有因應的方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
429.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
431.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
透過既有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
431.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
433.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
包租到管的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
433.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
434.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
公會的會員 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
434.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
437.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
他們完全有能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
437.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
438.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
來承接 |
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438.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
439.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
沒錯 |
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439.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
440.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
公會委員這樣說 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
440.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
441.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
沒錯就是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
441.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
442.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
442.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
443.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
那我在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
443.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
444.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
還是 |
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444.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
447.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
跟我們董事長再跳帶一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
447.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
449.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
也再提醒你 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
449.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
450.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
為了業務 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
450.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
452.5 |
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公務你很辛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
452.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
455.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
但是在這樣的一個交情之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
455.5 |
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456.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
難免 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
456.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
458.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
難免讓我們外界 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
458.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
460.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
會有懷疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
460.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
462.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
所以造基 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
462.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
464.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
不管可以拿到這麼多案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
464.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
466.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
包括我們住住 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
466.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
468.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
中心本身的案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
468.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
470.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
包括各國會員 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
470.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
472.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
主要是縣市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
472.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
474.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
跟你的關係絕對有關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
474.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
475.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
跟我的絕對沒關 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
475.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
476.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
因為縣市政府案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
476.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
477.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
我怎麼可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
477.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
478.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
跟我有關 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
478.5 |
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480.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
現在你把它切到縣市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
480.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
482.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
我現在跟你切的 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
482.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
484.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
不是縣市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
484.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
485.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
我現在要切的 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
485.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
486.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
是你跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
486.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
487.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
他跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
487.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
489.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
住住中心本身 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
489.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
491.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
我跟所有業者的關係都不錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
491.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
493.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
我跟所有業者的關係都不錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
493.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
495.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
社交能力非常強 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
495.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
497.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
我社交能力很不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
497.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
498.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
各位好 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
498.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
499.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
我很少運產 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
499.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
501.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
我回家吃晚飯 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
501.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
503.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
我大多數都回家吃晚飯 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
503.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
504.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
我很不喜歡 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
504.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
505.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
所以我喜歡你 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
505.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
506.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
就多回家吃晚飯 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
506.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
508.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
各位主要參加這麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
508.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
510.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
來請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
510.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
512.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
接下來我請 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
512.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
514.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
認證部部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
516.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
517.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
517.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
518.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
我簡單的 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
518.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
520.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
請教你詢問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
520.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
522.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
我們有租賃條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
522.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
524.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
這個修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
524.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
525.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
那時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
525.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
526.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
要散入 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
526.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
528.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
租賃修法的條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
528.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
530.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
我們現在在 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
530.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
532.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
行政院在整理當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
532.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
533.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
還在整理當中嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
533.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
534.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
是 報告各位 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
534.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
536.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
我們在整理的過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
536.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
538.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
我們持續跟很多團體交換意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
538.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
540.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
所以我們很希望說 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
540.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
542.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
送到立法院來的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
542.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
544.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
不要有太多的爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
544.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
546.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
目前的版本是還有爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
546.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
548.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
社會公示還沒有達成 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
548.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
550.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
有爭議的朋友我們先再 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
550.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
552.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
我們的報告講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
552.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
554.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
社會公示一些公示沒有達成 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
554.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
556.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
但是在沒有達成之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
556.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
558.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
我記得你在去年吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
558.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
560.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
114年9月18號 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
560.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
562.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
你在你的 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
562.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
564.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
在這個部委會議完之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
564.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
566.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
你有召開了請辭 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
566.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
568.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
說明你的修法方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
568.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
570.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
對 修法方向你還記得嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
570.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
572.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
是 我們的修法方向裡面有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
572.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
574.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
就是這一次在暫緩的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
574.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
576.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
包括說租霸的條款 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
576.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
578.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
租期的幫助 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
578.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
580.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
還有租金限制漲幅的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
580.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
582.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
這個部分因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
582.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
584.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
每個不同的團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
584.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
586.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
有不同的看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
586.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
588.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
所以我們這個部分就是要再審慎評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
588.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
590.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
你要審慎評估 當初沒有審慎評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
590.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
592.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
你就說要保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
592.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
594.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
修法的方向喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
594.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
596.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
保障三年的租金 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
596.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
598.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
因為租金是這樣嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
598.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
600.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
強化主任雙盟的權益嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
600.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
602.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
602.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
604.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
但是整個修法方向在目前為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
604.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
606.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
因為你現在講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
606.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
608.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
你去年講說這是你的 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
608.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
610.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
修法方向已經取得 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
610.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
612.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
開國公聽會啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
612.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
614.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
開國說明會啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
614.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
616.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
結果你現在說 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
616.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
618.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
沒有社會公示 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
618.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
620.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
所以整個修法方向要調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
620.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
622.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
所以我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
622.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
624.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
保障三年的租金 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
624.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
626.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
我們的限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
626.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
628.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
續約租金的帳戶 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
628.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
630.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
這些都是跳票的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
630.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
632.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
報告委員應該不能這樣講 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
632.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
634.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
第一個我們還是有 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
634.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
636.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
我們這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
636.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
638.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
我們這個修法方向還是要送到 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
638.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
640.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
大院來啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
640.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
642.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
對啊 送到大院來 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
642.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
644.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
你自己對外公布的喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
644.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
646.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
是的委員我同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
646.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
648.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
你對外公布的喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
648.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
650.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
就不是我們立法委員給你建議的喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
650.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
652.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
是你親自公布的 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
652.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
654.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
我知道我知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
654.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
656.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
那你現在已經這樣一個方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
656.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
658.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
來做一個大轉彎 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
658.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
660.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
大跳票 你要不要做一個說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
664.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
666.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
為何轉變這麼大的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
666.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
668.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
報告我剛剛講了喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
668.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
670.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
就是我們提出的五大修法方向裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
670.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
672.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
現在就是把保障租期跟限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
672.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
674.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
租金的部分呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
674.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
676.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
你再往後再做一次的評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
676.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
678.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
我在這邊比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
678.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
680.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
680.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
682.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
整個修法方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
682.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
684.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
原來是保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
684.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
686.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
房客 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
686.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
688.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
就是周圍人 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
688.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
690.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
你把這個部分拿掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
690.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
692.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
相對變成 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
692.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
694.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
比較保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
694.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
696.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
房東 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
696.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
698.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
房東跟房客 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].start |
698.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
700.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
房東跟房客他們一定要 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].start |
700.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
702.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
一定要 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
702.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
704.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
我跟你一樣的立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
704.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
706.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
我們希望房東 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
706.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
708.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
房東基本上是 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].start |
708.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
710.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
房東如果不願意買帳的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].start |
710.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
712.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
沒有房東跟房客 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
712.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
714.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
這是最大的麻煩 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
714.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
716.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
沒有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
716.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
718.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
房東跟房客沒有絕對的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].start |
718.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
720.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
房東加保障貸款 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].start |
720.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
722.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
保障貸款加房東 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].start |
722.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
724.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
會形成 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].start |
724.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
726.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
比較大的優勢的能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
726.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
728.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
我不希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].start |
728.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
730.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
你的修法方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
730.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
732.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
因為這樣而犧牲 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].start |
732.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
734.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
房客 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].start |
734.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
736.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
我們沒有犧牲房客的意義 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].start |
736.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
738.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
我只是跟委員講 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].start |
738.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
740.5 |
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你的修法還是要在立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].start |
740.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
742.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
所以我只是在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].start |
742.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
744.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
先提醒我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].start |
744.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
746.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
我們也期待透過 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].start |
746.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
748.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
我們房東房客的 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].start |
748.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
750.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
權益我們會把 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].start |
750.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].end |
752.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
趕快的把法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].start |
752.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
754.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].text |
送到立法院來 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].start |
754.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].end |
756.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
請問部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].start |
756.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].end |
758.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
這個部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].start |
758.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].end |
760.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
修法部分因為還有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].start |
760.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].end |
762.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
有關於強制執行的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].start |
762.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
764.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
要跟司法院還有縣市政府來 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].start |
764.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
766.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].text |
討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].start |
766.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
768.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
那個我們會 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].start |
768.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
770.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
盡快 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].start |
770.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
772.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
在主辦財款 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].start |
772.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
774.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
還有可能對縣市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].start |
774.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
776.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
跟司法院來議情的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].start |
776.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
778.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].text |
這個還要 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].start |
778.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
780.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].text |
在細部討論因為還要看 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].start |
780.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].end |
782.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].text |
司法院的態度跟縣市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].start |
782.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].end |
784.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
你其實能不能把 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].start |
784.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
786.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].start |
786.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].end |
788.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].text |
我們沒辦法掌握進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].start |
788.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
790.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
還有行政院他們也是希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].start |
790.5 |
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792.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
我們能夠快 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].start |
792.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
794.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
因為司法院沒有給我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].start |
794.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
796.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
既定的答案的時候我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].start |
796.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
798.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
只能空白 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].start |
798.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
800.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
我們都想處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].start |
800.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
802.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
這個條例的 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].start |
802.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
804.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
所以我們的意見我們都進去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].start |
804.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
806.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
我們希望你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].start |
806.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
808.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
做快速度好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].start |
808.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
810.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
好謝謝 |
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陳委員清龍 |
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2026-08-12T12:02:55+08:00 |
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1 |
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謝謝主席，請住都中心花董事長。 |
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0.154 |
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花董事長敬群 |
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| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
1 |
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2026-08-12T12:03:00.200000+08:00 |
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陳委員好。 |
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0 |
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陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-08-12T12:03:00.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
1 |
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董事長好。 |
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0 |
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陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-08-12T12:03:02.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-08-12T12:04:01.375000+08:00 |
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台灣民眾黨針對住都中心跟兆基屋管的狀況召開了記者會，我想董事長也了解，在這個過程當中，我們對董事長跟兆基公司李建成先生的關係、交情也做了一些了解，今天我就用一點時間讓董事長來說明你跟兆基屋管李建成前董事長的關係、交情怎麼樣？ |
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0.819 |
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陳委員清龍 |
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| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-08-12T12:04:02.833333+08:00 |
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來，你自己說。 |
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0.8 |
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花董事長敬群 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-08-12T12:04:02.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
1 |
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2026-08-12T12:04:05.500000+08:00 |
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謝謝委員、謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0 |
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陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-08-12T12:04:05.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-08-12T12:04:06.166667+08:00 |
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你說啊！ |
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1 |
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花董事長敬群 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-08-12T12:04:06.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-08-12T12:04:07.357143+08:00 |
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你不是要問我嗎？ |
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1 |
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陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-08-12T12:04:07.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-08-12T12:04:09.300000+08:00 |
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沒有，我要你自己講啊！ |
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1 |
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陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-08-12T12:04:09.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-08-12T12:04:11.807692+08:00 |
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我幹嘛問你，我現在才問你，我給你時間，你自己講。 |
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0.2 |
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花董事長敬群 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
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| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-08-12T12:04:34.300000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，剛剛其實我也跟委員說過，我認識李建成當然是從社會住宅包租代管這些工作開始啟動之後認識的，同時在這過程當中，我們也跟執行社會住宅包租代管的各個業者、各縣市公會理事長都維持一貫的交流模式…… |
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0.848 |
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陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-08-12T12:04:34.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-08-12T12:04:35.333333+08:00 |
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業務的交流嘛！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
花董事長敬群 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-08-12T12:04:35.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
1 |
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2026-08-12T12:04:36.333333+08:00 |
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當然是……業務的交流，這都很正常嘛！ |
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0 |
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陳委員清龍 |
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2026-08-12T12:04:35.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-08-12T12:04:40.300000+08:00 |
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業務的了解、業務的交流，這個我們都了解，但你們的私交怎麼樣？ |
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0.462 |
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陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-08-12T12:04:40.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-08-12T12:04:41.300000+08:00 |
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交情怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
1 |
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花董事長敬群 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
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| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-08-12T12:04:50.611111+08:00 |
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我跟這些理事長所謂的業務交流，就是因為大家同心協力真的想要把這些事情做好……了解。 |
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0.703 |
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花董事長敬群 |
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2026-08-12T12:04:51.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
|
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2026-08-12T12:04:53.700000+08:00 |
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所以所謂的業務交流，其實背後也是…… |
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0.733 |
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陳委員清龍 |
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2026-08-12T12:04:54.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
|
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業務交流，就是基於公務、基於你經管的業務，所以接觸、交流、互動，我覺得這是必要的。 |
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0.765 |
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陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-08-12T12:05:04.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-08-12T12:05:09.285714+08:00 |
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因為我們的政策要推動，我現在問你，你跟他有特別的交情嗎？ |
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0.72 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
花董事長敬群 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-08-12T12:05:09.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-08-12T12:05:12+08:00 |
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我也對外說過有過一次，其實那是公務還是私務…… |
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0.65 |
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陳委員清龍 |
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2026-08-12T12:05:12.214286+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:05:12.642857+08:00 |
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有過一次什麼？ |
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0.5 |
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花董事長敬群 |
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2026-08-12T12:05:13.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:05:26.269231+08:00 |
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也就是兩、三年前兆基公司曾經辦過一次陽明山平等里水圳的活動，就是您這張照片，這一次有二、三十個業界的朋友到…… |
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0.857 |
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陳委員清龍 |
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2026-08-12T12:05:26.269231+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-08-12T12:05:27.269231+08:00 |
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就這麼一次？ |
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0 |
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花董事長敬群 |
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2026-08-12T12:05:27.269231+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-08-12T12:05:28.269231+08:00 |
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就這麼一次。 |
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0 |
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陳委員清龍 |
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2026-08-12T12:05:26.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:05:28.900000+08:00 |
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就這麼一次？ |
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1 |
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花董事長敬群 |
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2026-08-12T12:05:29.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:05:30.300000+08:00 |
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就這麼一次。 |
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1 |
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陳委員清龍 |
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2026-08-12T12:05:30.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:05:36.166667+08:00 |
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這一次不是為了業務、不是為了公務嘛？ |
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0.938 |
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花董事長敬群 |
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2026-08-12T12:05:36.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:05:39.250000+08:00 |
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對，就是交流，真的是交流。 |
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0.4 |
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陳委員清龍 |
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2026-08-12T12:05:39.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:05:46.166667+08:00 |
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所以你承認就這一次，那我想請教，李建成有沒有去住都中心找你？ |
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0.815 |
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花董事長敬群 |
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2026-08-12T12:05:46.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:05:48.300000+08:00 |
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大家都是為了業務交流。 |
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1 |
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陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-08-12T12:05:48.666667+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:05:49.333333+08:00 |
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都是為了業務？是。 |
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0.714 |
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陳委員清龍 |
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2026-08-12T12:05:49.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:05:57.318182+08:00 |
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所以基本上才會到辦公室找你，證明為了業務，所以你跟他的交情不錯嘛！ |
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花董事長敬群 |
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2026-08-12T12:05:57.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:03.227273+08:00 |
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其實很多的理事長及很多業者也都會來辦公室找我，不是只有李建成會來，很多的理事長、業者都會來。 |
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陳委員清龍 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:03.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:05.166667+08:00 |
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好，所以為了公務，見面很多次…… |
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0.5 |
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花董事長敬群 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:05.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:09.318182+08:00 |
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其實我的行程表上面都很清楚，我的行程表上面都很清楚。 |
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陳委員清龍 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:09.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:10.300000+08:00 |
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所以這些也是為了公務嘛！ |
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0.364 |
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花董事長敬群 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:11.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:12.166667+08:00 |
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當然是、當然是。 |
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陳委員清龍 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:12.750000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:13.250000+08:00 |
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都是公務？ |
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0.75 |
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陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-08-12T12:06:14.900000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:16.100000+08:00 |
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考察、聚餐、聯誼也是公務嗎？ |
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0.364 |
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花董事長敬群 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:16.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:21.333333+08:00 |
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其實去日本考察就是為了了解包租代管的業務是怎麼推動的。 |
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1 |
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陳委員清龍 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:21.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:21.833333+08:00 |
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好，公務嘛！ |
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陳委員清龍 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:25.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:26.250000+08:00 |
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聚餐也是公務？ |
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0.667 |
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花董事長敬群 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:26.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:28.318182+08:00 |
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是，這裡面所有都是理事長…… |
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0.909 |
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陳委員清龍 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:28.750000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:29.250000+08:00 |
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都是公務啦。 |
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花董事長敬群 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:29.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:30.333333+08:00 |
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當然都是公務。 |
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陳委員清龍 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:30.833333+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:31.333333+08:00 |
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聯誼也是公務？ |
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0.667 |
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花董事長敬群 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-08-12T12:06:31.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:33+08:00 |
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哪一個？有啊！ |
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1 |
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花董事長敬群 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:33.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:34.642857+08:00 |
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這是他們的尾牙。 |
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0.714 |
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陳委員清龍 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:36.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:37.250000+08:00 |
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這也是公務？ |
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0.8 |
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花董事長敬群 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-08-12T12:06:37.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:40+08:00 |
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我參加的尾牙多了，很多公會的尾牙等等當然都要去。 |
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0.364 |
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陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-08-12T12:06:40.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:40.625000+08:00 |
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很多喔！ |
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陳委員清龍 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:41.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:52.500000+08:00 |
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所以今天的結論，我們董事長非常辛苦，為了包租代管的業務要陪著出國、要去參加尾牙，要一起出國考察…… |
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0.767 |
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花董事長敬群 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:52.833333+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:06:59.928571+08:00 |
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委員，這不是陪著出國，這是內政部帶業者一起出國考察。 |
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0.696 |
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陳委員清龍 |
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2026-08-12T12:07:00.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:07:12.166667+08:00 |
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要去聚餐、要去聯誼、要去參加尾牙，通通都是為了公務，只有一次去陽明山爬山，這一次不是公務？ |
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0.59 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
花董事長敬群 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-08-12T12:07:12.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:07:19.100000+08:00 |
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是，其實這是所有推動政務的同仁必須要有的態度和做法，這是通案嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.793 |
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陳委員清龍 |
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2026-08-12T12:07:19.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:07:21.250000+08:00 |
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好，我確定關係就好了、確定公務，好。 |
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0.429 |
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花董事長敬群 |
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2026-08-12T12:07:21.250000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-08-12T12:07:22.250000+08:00 |
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是，謝謝委員。 |
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陳委員清龍 |
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2026-08-12T12:07:21.833333+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:07:40.333333+08:00 |
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好，我再來請教，包租代管現在爆發寄居蟹租屋、趙姬投資公司還有兆基屋管的一些狀況，我也知道董事長也已經回復許多委員嘛！ |
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0.717 |
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陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-08-12T12:07:40.800000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:07:42.900000+08:00 |
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我還是一樣的質疑。 |
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1 |
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陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-08-12T12:07:43.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:08:05.214286+08:00 |
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我們說任何一個危機的處理，既然這麼大的包租代管的業務已經都由兆基屋管在處理，目前處理的寄居蟹確定了，他們沒辦法來服務，你剛剛也在答詢時說你們已經在協助轉介嘛！是。 |
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0.787 |
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陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-08-12T12:08:06.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:08:08.277778+08:00 |
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由其他的同業來接嘛！是。 |
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0.6 |
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陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-08-12T12:08:08.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:08:25.375000+08:00 |
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那我一樣也問到，今天它的財務問題危及到兆基本身案量、服務量這麼大的公司，如果它也出狀況，你們要怎麼來處理？ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.833 |
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花董事長敬群 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-08-12T12:08:26+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:08:36.250000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，因為現在兆基在中央版的有八千多件，縣市政府六都的有七千多件，大家大概差不多啦！對。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.738 |
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花董事長敬群 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-08-12T12:08:36.700000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:08:38.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
現階段當然我們處理寄居蟹…… |
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0.75 |
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陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-08-12T12:08:38.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
1 |
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2026-08-12T12:08:40.500000+08:00 |
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寄居蟹先做…… |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0 |
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花董事長敬群 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-08-12T12:08:40.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:08:42.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
這個月，因為現在…… |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
1 |
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陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-08-12T12:08:42.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T12:08:58.500000+08:00 |
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我要跟你講，你現在是很理想的狀態，寄居蟹六千多件，你們這個月來處理，你有沒有預期……假設、我講假設，未來這幾天，因為這個狀況很多。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-08-12T12:08:59.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-08-12T12:09:05.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
如果兆基真的又出狀況，你們有沒有什麼劇本？ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.737 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-08-12T12:09:05.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-08-12T12:09:07.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
什麼樣的因應方案？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.125 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
花董事長敬群 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-08-12T12:09:07.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-08-12T12:09:16+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
是，我算給委員聽，我們現在六都公會版的業者有90家，六都有90家，寄居蟹6,600案…… |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.767 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-08-12T12:09:16+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-08-12T12:09:20.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
讓我先講沒關係…… |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.143 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
花董事長敬群 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-08-12T12:09:20.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-08-12T12:09:32.250000+08:00 |
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我就除下來，我用6,600案除以90家，大概就是70案左右，就是一家業者協助處理70個案子，就是處理借寄居蟹嘛！對。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.762 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
花董事長敬群 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-08-12T12:09:32.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-08-12T12:09:36.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
如果兆基再加進來，大概就增加到150案。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-08-12T12:09:36.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-08-12T12:09:39.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
所以你們有劇本了嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-08-12T12:09:39.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-08-12T12:09:40.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
有因應方案了嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
花董事長敬群 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-08-12T12:09:39.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-08-12T12:09:42.071429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
其實當然要準備、當然要準備…… |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.583 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-08-12T12:09:42.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-08-12T12:09:44.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
已經有準備？ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
花董事長敬群 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-08-12T12:09:44.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-08-12T12:09:44.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
當然要準備。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-08-12T12:09:45.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-08-12T12:09:51.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
已經有準備，所以我們要讓房東、房客要很安心。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-08-12T12:09:51.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-08-12T12:10:04.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
今天的質詢最主要就是要請董事長你說你們都有準備，已經包括如果今天兆基又出狀況，你們一樣有因應的方案。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.896 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-08-12T12:10:04.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-08-12T12:10:13.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
透過既有的包租代管這些公會的會員，他們完全有能力來承接。 |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
花董事長敬群 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-08-12T12:10:13.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-08-12T12:10:16.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
是、沒錯，謝謝委員這樣說，沒錯，就是這樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-08-12T12:10:16.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-08-12T12:10:35+08:00 |
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好，我在這裡還是跟我們董事長再交代一下，也再提醒你，為了業務，公務員很辛苦，但是在這樣的交情之下，難免讓我們外界會有懷疑嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.927 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-08-12T12:10:35.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-08-12T12:10:44.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
所以兆基屋管可以拿到這麼多案子，包括我們住都中心本身的案子，包括各公會、各縣市…… |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.806 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
花董事長敬群 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-08-12T12:10:45.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-08-12T12:10:47.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
報告委員，兆基拿到的案件主要是縣市政府…… |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.444 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-08-12T12:10:47.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-08-12T12:10:49.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
跟你的關係絕對有關係。 |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
花董事長敬群 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-08-12T12:10:49.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-08-12T12:10:53.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
跟我絕對沒關係，因為縣市政府的案件怎麼可能跟我有關係？ |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-08-12T12:10:53.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-08-12T12:10:59.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
現在你把它切到縣市政府，我現在跟你切的不是縣市政府…… |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
花董事長敬群 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-08-12T12:10:59.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-08-12T12:11:00.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
不是，因為長期以來…… |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-08-12T12:10:59.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-08-12T12:11:03.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
我現在要切的是它跟住都中心的…… |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
花董事長敬群 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-08-12T12:11:04.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-08-12T12:11:08+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
我跟所有業者的關係都不錯，我跟所有業者的關係都非常好。 |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-08-12T12:11:08.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-08-12T12:11:10.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
那很好，你的社交能力非常強。 |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0.583 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
花董事長敬群 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-08-12T12:11:10.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-08-12T12:11:13.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
我社交能力很不好……不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-08-12T12:11:13.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-08-12T12:11:14.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
不好可以參加這麼多活動？ |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
花董事長敬群 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-08-12T12:11:13.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-08-12T12:11:19.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
更何況我很少應酬，我都回家吃晚飯，我大多數都回家吃晚飯，我很不喜歡應酬，我幾乎都回家吃晚飯。 |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0.61 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-08-12T12:11:20.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-08-12T12:11:24.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
我也希望你多多回家吃晚飯，尾牙不要參加那麼多，請回。 |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0.609 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
花董事長敬群 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-08-12T12:11:24.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-08-12T12:11:25.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-08-12T12:11:25.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-08-12T12:11:29.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
接下來請內政部部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-08-12T12:11:31.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-08-12T12:11:40.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
部長，我簡單詢問一下，我們的租賃條例修法哪時候要上路？ |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-08-12T12:11:41.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-08-12T12:11:47.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
租賃修法的條例，我們現在行政院在整理當中。 |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-08-12T12:11:47.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-08-12T12:11:48.357143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
還在整理當中嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-08-12T12:11:48.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-08-12T12:11:59.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
不是，報告委員，我們在整理的過程當中持續跟很多團體交換意見，所以我們很希望送到立法院來的版本不要有太多的爭議。 |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-08-12T12:11:59.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-08-12T12:12:01.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
所以目前的版本是還有爭議？ |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-08-12T12:12:01.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-08-12T12:12:03.277778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
社會共識還沒有達成？ |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-08-12T12:12:03.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2026-08-12T12:12:05.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
有爭議的部分，我們先暫緩…… |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-08-12T12:12:06.071429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2026-08-12T12:12:09.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
你的報告講了，還有很多社會共識還沒有達成嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0.55 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-08-12T12:12:09.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2026-08-12T12:12:23.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
但是在沒有達成之前，我記得你在去年114年9月18日，你在你的部務會議結束之後，你有召開並親自說明你的修法方向。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
0.851 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-08-12T12:12:23.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2026-08-12T12:12:25.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
修法方向你還記得嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-08-12T12:12:25.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2026-08-12T12:12:43.375000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
是，我們的修法方向裡面有提到，就是這次暫緩的部分，包括租霸的條款、租期的保障，還有租金限制漲幅的部分，這個部分因為每個不同團體有不同的看法，所以我們針對這個部分就是要再審慎評估。 |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
0.951 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-08-12T12:12:43.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2026-08-12T12:12:51.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
對，你要審慎評估，當初沒有審慎評估，你就說要保障修法的方向，保障三年的租金…… |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
0.97 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2026-08-12T12:12:51.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2026-08-12T12:12:52.214286+08:00 |
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所以叫修法的方向…… |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2026-08-12T12:12:52+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2026-08-12T12:12:55.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].text |
甚至限制租金續漲，強化租賃雙方的權益嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2026-08-12T12:12:55.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2026-08-12T12:12:56.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].text |
對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2026-08-12T12:12:57.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[113].end |
2026-08-12T12:13:25+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].text |
但是整個修法方向到目前為止，因為你現在講的，跟你去年講說這是你的修法方向，已經開過公聽會、開過說明會，結果你現在說沒有社會共識，整個修法方向要調整，所以我們保障三年的租期、限制續約租金的漲幅，這些都是跳票的，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
0.866 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2026-08-12T12:13:25.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[114].end |
2026-08-12T12:13:29+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].text |
報告委員，應該不能這樣講，第一個，我們還是…… |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2026-08-12T12:13:29+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[115].end |
2026-08-12T12:13:30.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].text |
不能這樣講嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2026-08-12T12:13:30.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[116].end |
2026-08-12T12:13:31.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].text |
還是有嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2026-08-12T12:13:31.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2026-08-12T12:13:35+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].text |
我們這個修法方向還是要送到大院來啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2026-08-12T12:13:36.071429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2026-08-12T12:13:37.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].text |
送到大院來才有討論的空間。 |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
0.417 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2026-08-12T12:13:37.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[119].end |
2026-08-12T12:13:39.055556+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].text |
對啊，我現在問的就是當初你自己對外公布的。 |
| transcript.gazette[119].quality |
0.421 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2026-08-12T12:13:39.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[120].end |
2026-08-12T12:13:41.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].text |
是的，委員，我同意您的說法。 |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2026-08-12T12:13:41.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[121].end |
2026-08-12T12:13:47.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].text |
這是你對外公布的，這不是我們立法委員給你建議的，是你親自公布的。 |
| transcript.gazette[121].quality |
0.897 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[122].start |
2026-08-12T12:13:47.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[122].end |
2026-08-12T12:13:49.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].text |
我知道、我知道。 |
| transcript.gazette[122].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[123].start |
2026-08-12T12:13:49.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[123].end |
2026-08-12T12:13:55.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].text |
你現在已經有這樣的方向來做一個大轉彎、大跳票，你要不要做一個說明？ |
| transcript.gazette[123].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[124].start |
2026-08-12T12:13:59.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[124].end |
2026-08-12T12:14:00.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].text |
為何轉變那麼大？ |
| transcript.gazette[124].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[125].start |
2026-08-12T12:14:01.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[125].end |
2026-08-12T12:14:11.318182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].text |
報告委員，我剛剛講了，我們提出的五大修法方向裡面，現在就是把保障租期跟限制租金的部分稍微往後再做詳細的評估。 |
| transcript.gazette[125].quality |
0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[126].start |
2026-08-12T12:14:11.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[126].end |
2026-08-12T12:14:30.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].text |
我覺得整個修法的方向原來是比較保障房客，就是租房子的人，你把這個部分拿掉，相對變成比較保障房東，這個後面怎麼做一定要…… |
| transcript.gazette[126].quality |
0.648 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[127].start |
2026-08-12T12:14:33.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[127].end |
2026-08-12T12:14:40.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].text |
報告委員，房東跟房客他們一定要成立……報告委員，我跟你一樣的立場，我們希望由房客…… |
| transcript.gazette[127].quality |
0.657 |
| transcript.gazette[128].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[128].start |
2026-08-12T12:14:41.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[128].end |
2026-08-12T12:14:43.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].text |
房客是弱勢，房東基本上是比較強勢的。 |
| transcript.gazette[128].quality |
0.375 |
| transcript.gazette[129].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[129].start |
2026-08-12T12:14:43.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[129].end |
2026-08-12T12:14:49.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].text |
房東如果不願意買帳的話，沒有房東跟房客的身分，這是最大的麻煩。 |
| transcript.gazette[129].quality |
0.893 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[130].start |
2026-08-12T12:14:49.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[130].end |
2026-08-12T12:14:50.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].text |
房東和包租代管業其實這是一個串連…… |
| transcript.gazette[130].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[131].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[131].start |
2026-08-12T12:14:49.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[131].end |
2026-08-12T12:14:53.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].text |
沒有、沒有，這跟包租代管業沒有絕對的關係…… |
| transcript.gazette[131].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[132].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[132].start |
2026-08-12T12:14:53.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[132].end |
2026-08-12T12:15:08.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].text |
房東加包租代管，包租代管加房仲會形成比較大的遊說能力，我不希望你的修法方向因為這樣而犧牲房客的保障。 |
| transcript.gazette[132].quality |
0.702 |
| transcript.gazette[133].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[133].start |
2026-08-12T12:15:09.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[133].end |
2026-08-12T12:15:13.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].text |
我們沒有犧牲房客的權益，我只是跟委員講…… |
| transcript.gazette[133].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[134].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[134].start |
2026-08-12T12:15:13.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[134].end |
2026-08-12T12:15:23.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].text |
你的修法還是要在立法院，我只是在這裡先提醒部長，我們也期待透過房東、房客的權益…… |
| transcript.gazette[134].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[135].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[135].start |
2026-08-12T12:15:23.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[135].end |
2026-08-12T12:15:25.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].text |
我們會把我們的意見再表達出來。 |
| transcript.gazette[135].quality |
0.286 |
| transcript.gazette[136].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[136].start |
2026-08-12T12:15:25.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[136].end |
2026-08-12T12:15:31+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].text |
希望趕快把法案送到立法院來，請問部長，什麼時候可以送？ |
| transcript.gazette[136].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[137].speaker |
林司長家正 |
| transcript.gazette[137].start |
2026-08-12T12:15:33.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[137].end |
2026-08-12T12:15:41.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].text |
針對修法部分，因為還有一些關於強制執行的部分要跟司法院及縣市政府討論，所以那個部分…… |
| transcript.gazette[137].quality |
0.821 |
| transcript.gazette[138].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[138].start |
2026-08-12T12:15:41.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[138].end |
2026-08-12T12:15:42.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].text |
所以你們預計什麼時候？ |
| transcript.gazette[138].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[139].speaker |
林司長家正 |
| transcript.gazette[139].start |
2026-08-12T12:15:42.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[139].end |
2026-08-12T12:15:44.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].text |
我們會儘快。 |
| transcript.gazette[139].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[140].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[140].start |
2026-08-12T12:15:44.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[140].end |
2026-08-12T12:15:47.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].text |
你們現在是卡在租霸條款嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[140].quality |
0.167 |
| transcript.gazette[141].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[141].start |
2026-08-12T12:15:47.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[141].end |
2026-08-12T12:15:51.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].text |
還要跟各縣市政府及司法院討論，你們預計最快是什麼時候？ |
| transcript.gazette[141].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[142].speaker |
林司長家正 |
| transcript.gazette[142].start |
2026-08-12T12:15:51.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[142].end |
2026-08-12T12:15:57.318182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].text |
這個還要再細部討論，因為還要看司法院的態度跟縣市政府的部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[142].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[143].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[143].start |
2026-08-12T12:15:57.318182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[143].end |
2026-08-12T12:16:01.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].text |
部長，你們自己沒辦法掌握進度？ |
| transcript.gazette[143].quality |
0.231 |
| transcript.gazette[144].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[144].start |
2026-08-12T12:16:01.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[144].end |
2026-08-12T12:16:07.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].text |
報告委員，我們沒辦法掌握進度，當然行政院也希望我們能夠快，但是剛剛提到司法院…… |
| transcript.gazette[144].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[145].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[145].start |
2026-08-12T12:16:07.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[145].end |
2026-08-12T12:16:08.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].text |
我們也希望你們能夠快啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[145].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[146].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[146].start |
2026-08-12T12:16:07.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[146].end |
2026-08-12T12:16:13+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].text |
因為司法院沒有給我們既定答案的時候，我們只能空白，這樣子反而不好。 |
| transcript.gazette[146].quality |
0.767 |
| transcript.gazette[147].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[147].start |
2026-08-12T12:16:13+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[147].end |
2026-08-12T12:16:14+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].text |
你們可以透過行政院啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[147].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[148].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[148].start |
2026-08-12T12:16:13.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[148].end |
2026-08-12T12:16:19.346154+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].text |
我們非常認真在處理這個條例，所以我們的意見都納進去了啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[148].quality |
0.731 |
| transcript.gazette[149].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[149].start |
2026-08-12T12:16:20.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[149].end |
2026-08-12T12:16:24.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].text |
為了保障房東、房客，希望你們能用最快的進度，好不好？好。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[149].quality |
0.48 |
| transcript.gazette[150].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[150].start |
2026-08-12T12:16:25.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[150].end |
2026-08-12T12:16:31.619048+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].text |
下一位請林岱樺委員發言，林岱樺、林岱樺、林岱樺不在。 |
| transcript.gazette[150].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[151].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[151].start |
2026-08-12T12:16:31.919048+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[151].end |
2026-08-12T12:16:38.204762+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].text |
下一位請林倩綺委員發言，林倩綺、林倩綺、林倩綺不在。 |
| transcript.gazette[151].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[152].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[152].start |
2026-08-12T12:16:38.504762+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[152].end |
2026-08-12T12:16:41.647619+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].text |
下一位請葉元之委員發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[152].quality |
0 |