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陳清龍 @ 第11屆第5會期內政委員會第23次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:27,300 | 主席說 臺灣民眾黨有召開記者會 |
| 00:00:27,300 | 00:00:34,100 | 針對我們出土中心跟召集武館的狀況 |
| 00:00:34,100 | 00:00:37,800 | 我們開了記者會 我想董事長你也了解 |
| 00:00:37,800 | 00:00:39,800 | 在這個過程當中 |
| 00:00:39,800 | 00:00:45,100 | 我們也對董事長跟召集公司李俊成 |
| 00:00:45,100 | 00:00:54,500 | 李先生的關係 交情 我們也做了一些了解 |
| 00:00:54,500 | 00:00:56,500 | 那我今天用一點時間 |
| 00:00:56,500 | 00:01:00,500 | 讓董事長你來說明一下 |
| 00:01:00,500 | 00:01:05,500 | 你跟召集武館李俊成 董事長的關係 |
| 00:01:05,500 | 00:01:06,500 | 好不好 交情怎麼樣 |
| 00:01:06,500 | 00:01:08,500 | 那你自己說吧 |
| 00:01:10,500 | 00:01:11,500 | 你說啊 |
| 00:01:11,500 | 00:01:12,500 | 你不是要問我嗎 |
| 00:01:12,500 | 00:01:14,500 | 沒有啊 我要你自己講啊 |
| 00:01:14,500 | 00:01:16,500 | 我這樣再問你啊 |
| 00:01:16,500 | 00:01:20,500 | 我剛剛其實也跟這位委員說過 |
| 00:01:20,500 | 00:01:21,500 | 我認識李俊成 |
| 00:01:21,500 | 00:01:23,500 | 當然是從世俠宅包租代管這些案 |
| 00:01:23,500 | 00:01:26,500 | 這個工作開始啟動之後認識的嘛 |
| 00:01:26,500 | 00:01:28,500 | 那同時在這個過程當中 |
| 00:01:28,500 | 00:01:31,500 | 我們也跟執行業的這個世俠包租代管的 |
| 00:01:31,500 | 00:01:34,500 | 各個業者 各縣市公會理事長 |
| 00:01:34,500 | 00:01:37,500 | 其實都是維持一貫的 |
| 00:01:37,500 | 00:01:39,500 | 大家的交流的一個模式 |
| 00:01:39,500 | 00:01:40,500 | 業務的交流嘛 |
| 00:01:40,500 | 00:01:42,500 | 業務的交流 |
| 00:01:42,500 | 00:01:44,500 | 這個很正常嘛 |
| 00:01:44,500 | 00:01:46,500 | 私交怎麼樣 交情怎麼樣 |
| 00:01:46,500 | 00:01:49,500 | 其實你說我跟這些理事長 |
| 00:01:49,500 | 00:01:52,500 | 理事長你說這個業務交流 |
| 00:01:52,500 | 00:01:54,500 | 因為大家真的都很同心協力的 |
| 00:01:54,500 | 00:01:56,500 | 要把這些事情都交流 |
| 00:01:56,500 | 00:01:58,500 | 所以說大家的所謂的業務交流 |
| 00:01:58,500 | 00:01:59,500 | 其實不一樣 |
| 00:01:59,500 | 00:02:00,500 | 業務交流是代表 |
| 00:02:00,500 | 00:02:04,500 | 業務即以公務 即以你監管的業務 |
| 00:02:04,500 | 00:02:07,500 | 是 所以貼近交流互動 |
| 00:02:07,500 | 00:02:09,500 | 我覺得這是必要的 |
| 00:02:09,500 | 00:02:11,500 | 因為我們的政策要求重 |
| 00:02:11,500 | 00:02:14,500 | 我是要問你 你跟他有一個交情嗎 |
| 00:02:14,500 | 00:02:15,500 | 我對外的說過 |
| 00:02:15,500 | 00:02:18,500 | 有過一次其實那是過一次的失誤 |
| 00:02:18,500 | 00:02:22,500 | 也就是造機公司兩三年前 |
| 00:02:22,500 | 00:02:24,500 | 造機公司曾經辦過一次 |
| 00:02:24,500 | 00:02:27,500 | 陽明山平等里的水郡的一個 |
| 00:02:27,500 | 00:02:28,500 | 就是您這張照片 |
| 00:02:28,500 | 00:02:31,500 | 這一次有二三十個業界的朋友 |
| 00:02:31,500 | 00:02:34,500 | 就這麼一次 |
| 00:02:34,500 | 00:02:35,500 | 就這麼一次 |
| 00:02:35,500 | 00:02:39,500 | 這一次不是為了業務 |
| 00:02:39,500 | 00:02:41,500 | 不是為了公務 |
| 00:02:41,500 | 00:02:43,500 | 就是為了這一次 |
| 00:02:43,500 | 00:02:44,500 | 再去交流 |
| 00:02:44,500 | 00:02:45,500 | 你參加就這一次 |
| 00:02:45,500 | 00:02:47,500 | 那我想請教 |
| 00:02:47,500 | 00:02:49,500 | 那李建成有沒有去 |
| 00:02:49,500 | 00:02:51,500 | 居住中心找你 |
| 00:02:51,500 | 00:02:53,500 | 大家都是為了業務交流 |
| 00:02:53,500 | 00:02:54,500 | 不是為了業務 |
| 00:02:54,500 | 00:02:57,500 | 所以基本上才會到辦公室找你 |
| 00:02:57,500 | 00:02:59,500 | 其實很多的理事長 |
| 00:02:59,500 | 00:03:00,500 | 為了業務 |
| 00:03:00,500 | 00:03:02,500 | 所以你跟他的交情也不錯 |
| 00:03:02,500 | 00:03:04,500 | 都是會來辦公室找我 |
| 00:03:04,500 | 00:03:05,500 | 不是只有李建成會來 |
| 00:03:05,500 | 00:03:08,500 | 很多的理事長業者都會來 |
| 00:03:08,500 | 00:03:10,500 | 所以為了公務 |
| 00:03:10,500 | 00:03:12,500 | 行政表上面都很清楚 |
| 00:03:12,500 | 00:03:14,500 | 我的行政表上面都很清楚 |
| 00:03:14,500 | 00:03:16,500 | 所以這就是一個廣告吧 |
| 00:03:16,500 | 00:03:17,500 | 當然是 |
| 00:03:17,500 | 00:03:18,500 | 這是公務 |
| 00:03:18,500 | 00:03:19,500 | 這是公務 |
| 00:03:19,500 | 00:03:21,500 | 這是公務嗎 |
| 00:03:21,500 | 00:03:23,500 | 其實去日本考察 |
| 00:03:23,500 | 00:03:25,500 | 就是為了了解包租代管的業務 |
| 00:03:25,500 | 00:03:26,500 | 是怎麼推動的 |
| 00:03:26,500 | 00:03:27,500 | 公務嗎 |
| 00:03:27,500 | 00:03:28,500 | 是 |
| 00:03:28,500 | 00:03:29,500 | 居城 |
| 00:03:29,500 | 00:03:30,500 | 那 |
| 00:03:30,500 | 00:03:31,500 | 也是公務 |
| 00:03:31,500 | 00:03:33,500 | 這裡面的所有都是理事長 |
| 00:03:33,500 | 00:03:34,500 | 這是公務 |
| 00:03:34,500 | 00:03:35,500 | 當然都是公務 |
| 00:03:35,500 | 00:03:36,500 | 公務也是公務 |
| 00:03:36,500 | 00:03:37,500 | 哪一個 |
| 00:03:37,500 | 00:03:38,500 | 有啊 |
| 00:03:38,500 | 00:03:40,500 | 這是他們的委員 |
| 00:03:40,500 | 00:03:41,500 | 委員 |
| 00:03:41,500 | 00:03:42,500 | 這是公務 |
| 00:03:42,500 | 00:03:44,500 | 我參加的委員多了 |
| 00:03:44,500 | 00:03:45,500 | 很多 |
| 00:03:45,500 | 00:03:46,500 | 很多的公務的委員 |
| 00:03:46,500 | 00:03:47,500 | 所以今天 |
| 00:03:47,500 | 00:03:49,500 | 要結論 |
| 00:03:49,500 | 00:03:51,500 | 我們董事長非常辛苦 |
| 00:03:51,500 | 00:03:54,500 | 為了包租代管的業務 |
| 00:03:54,500 | 00:03:56,500 | 要陪著出國 |
| 00:03:56,500 | 00:03:58,500 | 要去參加委員 |
| 00:03:58,500 | 00:04:00,500 | 這不是陪著出國喔 |
| 00:04:00,500 | 00:04:01,500 | 是一起 |
| 00:04:01,500 | 00:04:03,500 | 脆弱不斷的 |
| 00:04:03,500 | 00:04:05,500 | 一起出國考察喔 |
| 00:04:05,500 | 00:04:07,500 | 要去居城 |
| 00:04:07,500 | 00:04:08,500 | 要去聯誼 |
| 00:04:08,500 | 00:04:10,500 | 要去參加委員 |
| 00:04:10,500 | 00:04:13,500 | 從頭都是為了公務 |
| 00:04:13,500 | 00:04:15,500 | 只有一次 |
| 00:04:15,500 | 00:04:17,500 | 去江陵山跑山 |
| 00:04:17,500 | 00:04:19,500 | 其實這是所有 |
| 00:04:19,500 | 00:04:20,500 | 推動政務局的行人 |
| 00:04:20,500 | 00:04:22,500 | 必須要的態度和作法 |
| 00:04:22,500 | 00:04:24,500 | 這是投案嘛 |
| 00:04:24,500 | 00:04:25,500 | 確定管理 |
| 00:04:25,500 | 00:04:26,500 | 確定公務 |
| 00:04:26,500 | 00:04:28,500 | 那我再來請教 |
| 00:04:28,500 | 00:04:30,500 | 包租代管 |
| 00:04:30,500 | 00:04:32,500 | 現在爆發了 |
| 00:04:32,500 | 00:04:33,500 | 基居企業嘛 |
| 00:04:33,500 | 00:04:35,500 | 在職投資公司 |
| 00:04:35,500 | 00:04:37,500 | 還有在職武館 |
| 00:04:37,500 | 00:04:39,500 | 這樣有一些狀況 |
| 00:04:39,500 | 00:04:40,500 | 那 |
| 00:04:40,500 | 00:04:42,500 | 我也知道董事長 |
| 00:04:42,500 | 00:04:44,500 | 您已經也回覆很多 |
| 00:04:44,500 | 00:04:45,500 | 市卓瑞委員嘛 |
| 00:04:45,500 | 00:04:48,500 | 那我還是一樣的質疑嘛 |
| 00:04:48,500 | 00:04:49,500 | 我們說 |
| 00:04:49,500 | 00:04:51,500 | 任何一個危急的處理 |
| 00:04:51,500 | 00:04:54,500 | 既然我們這麼大的業務 |
| 00:04:54,500 | 00:04:56,500 | 包租代管的業務 |
| 00:04:56,500 | 00:04:58,500 | 已經都由我們 |
| 00:04:58,500 | 00:05:00,500 | 召集武館在處理 |
| 00:05:00,500 | 00:05:02,500 | 那目前處理的 |
| 00:05:02,500 | 00:05:04,500 | 基金稅確定了 |
| 00:05:04,500 | 00:05:06,500 | 他沒辦法來服務了 |
| 00:05:06,500 | 00:05:08,500 | 你剛剛也在答詢的時候 |
| 00:05:08,500 | 00:05:10,500 | 你明信在協助嘛 |
| 00:05:10,500 | 00:05:11,500 | 展卸嘛 |
| 00:05:11,500 | 00:05:13,500 | 由其他的方面來協嘛 |
| 00:05:13,500 | 00:05:16,500 | 那一樣有問到 |
| 00:05:16,500 | 00:05:18,500 | 你們有沒有 |
| 00:05:18,500 | 00:05:20,500 | 今天他的財務問題 |
| 00:05:20,500 | 00:05:22,500 | 危及到造基 |
| 00:05:22,500 | 00:05:25,500 | 本身這麼暗量 |
| 00:05:25,500 | 00:05:27,500 | 服兩這麼大的公司 |
| 00:05:27,500 | 00:05:29,500 | 如果他也出狀況 |
| 00:05:29,500 | 00:05:30,500 | 你們要怎麼來處理 |
| 00:05:30,500 | 00:05:31,500 | 根本報告 |
| 00:05:31,500 | 00:05:34,500 | 因為造基現在公會的 |
| 00:05:34,500 | 00:05:36,500 | 就是中央版的有8000多件 |
| 00:05:36,500 | 00:05:39,500 | 縣市政府六都的有7000多件 |
| 00:05:39,500 | 00:05:41,500 | 大家大概差不多啦 |
| 00:05:41,500 | 00:05:43,500 | 那現階段當然我們處理 |
| 00:05:43,500 | 00:05:46,500 | 基金稅確定的這個月 |
| 00:05:46,500 | 00:05:47,500 | 因為現在 |
| 00:05:47,500 | 00:05:48,500 | 我要跟你講 |
| 00:05:48,500 | 00:05:50,500 | 你現在是很理想的狀態 |
| 00:05:50,500 | 00:05:52,500 | 基金稅6百萬 |
| 00:05:52,500 | 00:05:53,500 | 6千萬 |
| 00:05:53,500 | 00:05:54,500 | 6千萬 |
| 00:05:54,500 | 00:05:57,500 | 我們這段就來處理 |
| 00:05:57,500 | 00:05:58,500 | 你有沒有意見 |
| 00:05:58,500 | 00:06:00,500 | 假設我這樣假設 |
| 00:06:00,500 | 00:06:01,500 | 未來這幾天 |
| 00:06:01,500 | 00:06:03,500 | 因為這個狀況很多 |
| 00:06:03,500 | 00:06:04,500 | 是 |
| 00:06:04,500 | 00:06:06,500 | 如果造基又出狀況 |
| 00:06:06,500 | 00:06:08,500 | 你們有沒有 |
| 00:06:08,500 | 00:06:10,500 | 所謂的劇本 |
| 00:06:10,500 | 00:06:12,500 | 有所謂的意義包含 |
| 00:06:12,500 | 00:06:14,500 | 算給委員聽啦 |
| 00:06:14,500 | 00:06:16,500 | 我們現在六都的業者 |
| 00:06:16,500 | 00:06:17,500 | 縣市版 |
| 00:06:17,500 | 00:06:18,500 | 公會版的業者 |
| 00:06:18,500 | 00:06:19,500 | 有90家 |
| 00:06:19,500 | 00:06:21,500 | 六都有90家 |
| 00:06:21,500 | 00:06:23,500 | 那造基加上 |
| 00:06:23,500 | 00:06:24,500 | 基金稅6千6 |
| 00:06:24,500 | 00:06:26,500 | 我說除下來 |
| 00:06:26,500 | 00:06:27,500 | 我說處理 |
| 00:06:27,500 | 00:06:28,500 | 6千6除以90 |
| 00:06:28,500 | 00:06:30,500 | 大概就是70 |
| 00:06:30,500 | 00:06:31,500 | 70案左右 |
| 00:06:31,500 | 00:06:33,500 | 就是一家業者 |
| 00:06:33,500 | 00:06:35,500 | 所以說沒助處理70個案子 |
| 00:06:35,500 | 00:06:37,500 | 就是處理寄居協嘛 |
| 00:06:37,500 | 00:06:39,500 | 如果造基再進來 |
| 00:06:39,500 | 00:06:41,500 | 大概就是增加到150 |
| 00:06:41,500 | 00:06:44,500 | 所以你們有劇本了嘛 |
| 00:06:44,500 | 00:06:47,500 | 其實當然要準備 |
| 00:06:47,500 | 00:06:49,500 | 已經有準備 |
| 00:06:49,500 | 00:06:51,500 | 當然有準備 |
| 00:06:51,500 | 00:06:53,500 | 所以說我們要讓 |
| 00:06:53,500 | 00:06:54,500 | 房東 |
| 00:06:54,500 | 00:06:55,500 | 房客 |
| 00:06:55,500 | 00:06:56,500 | 要很安心 |
| 00:06:56,500 | 00:06:57,500 | 今天的執行 |
| 00:06:57,500 | 00:06:59,500 | 最主要就是要 |
| 00:06:59,500 | 00:07:00,500 | 董事長你說 |
| 00:07:00,500 | 00:07:02,500 | 你們都有準備 |
| 00:07:02,500 | 00:07:03,500 | 已經包括了 |
| 00:07:03,500 | 00:07:05,500 | 如果今天 |
| 00:07:05,500 | 00:07:07,500 | 造基又出狀況 |
| 00:07:07,500 | 00:07:09,500 | 你們一樣有因應的方案 |
| 00:07:09,500 | 00:07:11,500 | 透過既有的 |
| 00:07:11,500 | 00:07:13,500 | 包租到管的這些 |
| 00:07:13,500 | 00:07:14,500 | 公會的會員 |
| 00:07:14,500 | 00:07:17,500 | 他們完全有能力 |
| 00:07:17,500 | 00:07:18,500 | 來承接 |
| 00:07:18,500 | 00:07:19,500 | 沒錯 |
| 00:07:19,500 | 00:07:20,500 | 公會委員這樣說 |
| 00:07:20,500 | 00:07:21,500 | 沒錯就是這樣 |
| 00:07:21,500 | 00:07:22,500 | 好 |
| 00:07:22,500 | 00:07:23,500 | 那我在這裡 |
| 00:07:23,500 | 00:07:24,500 | 還是 |
| 00:07:24,500 | 00:07:27,500 | 跟我們董事長再跳帶一下 |
| 00:07:27,500 | 00:07:29,500 | 也再提醒你 |
| 00:07:29,500 | 00:07:30,500 | 為了業務 |
| 00:07:30,500 | 00:07:32,500 | 公務你很辛苦 |
| 00:07:32,500 | 00:07:35,500 | 但是在這樣的一個交情之下 |
| 00:07:35,500 | 00:07:36,500 | 難免 |
| 00:07:36,500 | 00:07:38,500 | 難免讓我們外界 |
| 00:07:38,500 | 00:07:40,500 | 會有懷疑 |
| 00:07:40,500 | 00:07:42,500 | 所以造基 |
| 00:07:42,500 | 00:07:44,500 | 不管可以拿到這麼多案子 |
| 00:07:44,500 | 00:07:46,500 | 包括我們住住 |
| 00:07:46,500 | 00:07:48,500 | 中心本身的案子 |
| 00:07:48,500 | 00:07:50,500 | 包括各國會員 |
| 00:07:50,500 | 00:07:52,500 | 主要是縣市政府 |
| 00:07:52,500 | 00:07:54,500 | 跟你的關係絕對有關係 |
| 00:07:54,500 | 00:07:55,500 | 跟我的絕對沒關 |
| 00:07:55,500 | 00:07:56,500 | 因為縣市政府案件 |
| 00:07:56,500 | 00:07:57,500 | 我怎麼可能 |
| 00:07:57,500 | 00:07:58,500 | 跟我有關 |
| 00:07:58,500 | 00:08:00,500 | 現在你把它切到縣市政府 |
| 00:08:00,500 | 00:08:02,500 | 我現在跟你切的 |
| 00:08:02,500 | 00:08:04,500 | 不是縣市政府 |
| 00:08:04,500 | 00:08:05,500 | 我現在要切的 |
| 00:08:05,500 | 00:08:06,500 | 是你跟 |
| 00:08:06,500 | 00:08:07,500 | 他跟 |
| 00:08:07,500 | 00:08:09,500 | 住住中心本身 |
| 00:08:09,500 | 00:08:11,500 | 我跟所有業者的關係都不錯 |
| 00:08:11,500 | 00:08:13,500 | 我跟所有業者的關係都不錯 |
| 00:08:13,500 | 00:08:15,500 | 社交能力非常強 |
| 00:08:15,500 | 00:08:17,500 | 我社交能力很不好 |
| 00:08:17,500 | 00:08:18,500 | 各位好 |
| 00:08:18,500 | 00:08:19,500 | 我很少運產 |
| 00:08:19,500 | 00:08:21,500 | 我回家吃晚飯 |
| 00:08:21,500 | 00:08:23,500 | 我大多數都回家吃晚飯 |
| 00:08:23,500 | 00:08:24,500 | 我很不喜歡 |
| 00:08:24,500 | 00:08:25,500 | 所以我喜歡你 |
| 00:08:25,500 | 00:08:26,500 | 就多回家吃晚飯 |
| 00:08:26,500 | 00:08:28,500 | 各位主要參加這麼多 |
| 00:08:28,500 | 00:08:30,500 | 來請回 |
| 00:08:30,500 | 00:08:32,500 | 接下來我請 |
| 00:08:32,500 | 00:08:34,500 | 認證部部長 |
| 00:08:36,500 | 00:08:37,500 | 部長 |
| 00:08:37,500 | 00:08:38,500 | 我簡單的 |
| 00:08:38,500 | 00:08:40,500 | 請教你詢問一下 |
| 00:08:40,500 | 00:08:42,500 | 我們有租賃條例 |
| 00:08:42,500 | 00:08:44,500 | 這個修法 |
| 00:08:44,500 | 00:08:45,500 | 那時候 |
| 00:08:45,500 | 00:08:46,500 | 要散入 |
| 00:08:46,500 | 00:08:48,500 | 租賃修法的條例 |
| 00:08:48,500 | 00:08:50,500 | 我們現在在 |
| 00:08:50,500 | 00:08:52,500 | 行政院在整理當中 |
| 00:08:52,500 | 00:08:53,500 | 還在整理當中嗎 |
| 00:08:53,500 | 00:08:54,500 | 是 報告各位 |
| 00:08:54,500 | 00:08:56,500 | 我們在整理的過程當中 |
| 00:08:56,500 | 00:08:58,500 | 我們持續跟很多團體交換意見 |
| 00:08:58,500 | 00:09:00,500 | 所以我們很希望說 |
| 00:09:00,500 | 00:09:02,500 | 送到立法院來的版本 |
| 00:09:02,500 | 00:09:04,500 | 不要有太多的爭議 |
| 00:09:04,500 | 00:09:06,500 | 目前的版本是還有爭議 |
| 00:09:06,500 | 00:09:08,500 | 社會公示還沒有達成 |
| 00:09:08,500 | 00:09:10,500 | 有爭議的朋友我們先再 |
| 00:09:10,500 | 00:09:12,500 | 我們的報告講了 |
| 00:09:12,500 | 00:09:14,500 | 社會公示一些公示沒有達成 |
| 00:09:14,500 | 00:09:16,500 | 但是在沒有達成之前 |
| 00:09:16,500 | 00:09:18,500 | 我記得你在去年吧 |
| 00:09:18,500 | 00:09:20,500 | 114年9月18號 |
| 00:09:20,500 | 00:09:22,500 | 你在你的 |
| 00:09:22,500 | 00:09:24,500 | 在這個部委會議完之後 |
| 00:09:24,500 | 00:09:26,500 | 你有召開了請辭 |
| 00:09:26,500 | 00:09:28,500 | 說明你的修法方向 |
| 00:09:28,500 | 00:09:30,500 | 對 修法方向你還記得嗎 |
| 00:09:30,500 | 00:09:32,500 | 是 我們的修法方向裡面有提到 |
| 00:09:32,500 | 00:09:34,500 | 就是這一次在暫緩的部分 |
| 00:09:34,500 | 00:09:36,500 | 包括說租霸的條款 |
| 00:09:36,500 | 00:09:38,500 | 租期的幫助 |
| 00:09:38,500 | 00:09:40,500 | 還有租金限制漲幅的這個部分 |
| 00:09:40,500 | 00:09:42,500 | 這個部分因為 |
| 00:09:42,500 | 00:09:44,500 | 每個不同的團體 |
| 00:09:44,500 | 00:09:46,500 | 有不同的看法 |
| 00:09:46,500 | 00:09:48,500 | 所以我們這個部分就是要再審慎評估 |
| 00:09:48,500 | 00:09:50,500 | 你要審慎評估 當初沒有審慎評估 |
| 00:09:50,500 | 00:09:52,500 | 你就說要保障 |
| 00:09:52,500 | 00:09:54,500 | 修法的方向喔 |
| 00:09:54,500 | 00:09:56,500 | 保障三年的租金 |
| 00:09:56,500 | 00:09:58,500 | 因為租金是這樣嘛 |
| 00:09:58,500 | 00:10:00,500 | 強化主任雙盟的權益嘛 |
| 00:10:00,500 | 00:10:02,500 | 對不對 |
| 00:10:02,500 | 00:10:04,500 | 但是整個修法方向在目前為止 |
| 00:10:04,500 | 00:10:06,500 | 因為你現在講了 |
| 00:10:06,500 | 00:10:08,500 | 你去年講說這是你的 |
| 00:10:08,500 | 00:10:10,500 | 修法方向已經取得 |
| 00:10:10,500 | 00:10:12,500 | 開國公聽會啦 |
| 00:10:12,500 | 00:10:14,500 | 開國說明會啦 |
| 00:10:14,500 | 00:10:16,500 | 結果你現在說 |
| 00:10:16,500 | 00:10:18,500 | 沒有社會公示 |
| 00:10:18,500 | 00:10:20,500 | 所以整個修法方向要調整 |
| 00:10:20,500 | 00:10:22,500 | 所以我們的 |
| 00:10:22,500 | 00:10:24,500 | 保障三年的租金 |
| 00:10:24,500 | 00:10:26,500 | 我們的限制 |
| 00:10:26,500 | 00:10:28,500 | 續約租金的帳戶 |
| 00:10:28,500 | 00:10:30,500 | 這些都是跳票的嘛 |
| 00:10:30,500 | 00:10:32,500 | 報告委員應該不能這樣講 |
| 00:10:32,500 | 00:10:34,500 | 第一個我們還是有 |
| 00:10:34,500 | 00:10:36,500 | 我們這個 |
| 00:10:36,500 | 00:10:38,500 | 我們這個修法方向還是要送到 |
| 00:10:38,500 | 00:10:40,500 | 大院來啊 |
| 00:10:40,500 | 00:10:42,500 | 對啊 送到大院來 |
| 00:10:42,500 | 00:10:44,500 | 你自己對外公布的喔 |
| 00:10:44,500 | 00:10:46,500 | 是的委員我同意 |
| 00:10:46,500 | 00:10:48,500 | 你對外公布的喔 |
| 00:10:48,500 | 00:10:50,500 | 就不是我們立法委員給你建議的喔 |
| 00:10:50,500 | 00:10:52,500 | 是你親自公布的 |
| 00:10:52,500 | 00:10:54,500 | 我知道我知道 |
| 00:10:54,500 | 00:10:56,500 | 那你現在已經這樣一個方向 |
| 00:10:56,500 | 00:10:58,500 | 來做一個大轉彎 |
| 00:10:58,500 | 00:11:00,500 | 大跳票 你要不要做一個說明 |
| 00:11:04,500 | 00:11:06,500 | 為何轉變這麼大的方向 |
| 00:11:06,500 | 00:11:08,500 | 報告我剛剛講了喔 |
| 00:11:08,500 | 00:11:10,500 | 就是我們提出的五大修法方向裡面 |
| 00:11:10,500 | 00:11:12,500 | 現在就是把保障租期跟限制 |
| 00:11:12,500 | 00:11:14,500 | 租金的部分呢 |
| 00:11:14,500 | 00:11:16,500 | 你再往後再做一次的評估 |
| 00:11:16,500 | 00:11:18,500 | 我在這邊比較 |
| 00:11:18,500 | 00:11:20,500 | 比較 |
| 00:11:20,500 | 00:11:22,500 | 整個修法方向 |
| 00:11:22,500 | 00:11:24,500 | 原來是保障 |
| 00:11:24,500 | 00:11:26,500 | 房客 |
| 00:11:26,500 | 00:11:28,500 | 就是周圍人 |
| 00:11:28,500 | 00:11:30,500 | 你把這個部分拿掉 |
| 00:11:30,500 | 00:11:32,500 | 相對變成 |
| 00:11:32,500 | 00:11:34,500 | 比較保障 |
| 00:11:34,500 | 00:11:36,500 | 房東 |
| 00:11:36,500 | 00:11:38,500 | 房東跟房客 |
| 00:11:38,500 | 00:11:40,500 | 房東跟房客他們一定要 |
| 00:11:40,500 | 00:11:42,500 | 一定要 |
| 00:11:42,500 | 00:11:44,500 | 我跟你一樣的立場 |
| 00:11:44,500 | 00:11:46,500 | 我們希望房東 |
| 00:11:46,500 | 00:11:48,500 | 房東基本上是 |
| 00:11:48,500 | 00:11:50,500 | 房東如果不願意買帳的話 |
| 00:11:50,500 | 00:11:52,500 | 沒有房東跟房客 |
| 00:11:52,500 | 00:11:54,500 | 這是最大的麻煩 |
| 00:11:54,500 | 00:11:56,500 | 沒有沒有 |
| 00:11:56,500 | 00:11:58,500 | 房東跟房客沒有絕對的關係 |
| 00:11:58,500 | 00:12:00,500 | 房東加保障貸款 |
| 00:12:00,500 | 00:12:02,500 | 保障貸款加房東 |
| 00:12:02,500 | 00:12:04,500 | 會形成 |
| 00:12:04,500 | 00:12:06,500 | 比較大的優勢的能力 |
| 00:12:06,500 | 00:12:08,500 | 我不希望 |
| 00:12:08,500 | 00:12:10,500 | 你的修法方向 |
| 00:12:10,500 | 00:12:12,500 | 因為這樣而犧牲 |
| 00:12:12,500 | 00:12:14,500 | 房客 |
| 00:12:14,500 | 00:12:16,500 | 我們沒有犧牲房客的意義 |
| 00:12:16,500 | 00:12:18,500 | 我只是跟委員講 |
| 00:12:18,500 | 00:12:20,500 | 你的修法還是要在立法院 |
| 00:12:20,500 | 00:12:22,500 | 所以我只是在這裡 |
| 00:12:22,500 | 00:12:24,500 | 先提醒我們 |
| 00:12:24,500 | 00:12:26,500 | 我們也期待透過 |
| 00:12:26,500 | 00:12:28,500 | 我們房東房客的 |
| 00:12:28,500 | 00:12:30,500 | 權益我們會把 |
| 00:12:30,500 | 00:12:32,500 | 趕快的把法案 |
| 00:12:32,500 | 00:12:34,500 | 送到立法院來 |
| 00:12:34,500 | 00:12:36,500 | 請問部長 |
| 00:12:36,500 | 00:12:38,500 | 這個部分的話 |
| 00:12:38,500 | 00:12:40,500 | 修法部分因為還有一些 |
| 00:12:40,500 | 00:12:42,500 | 有關於強制執行的部分 |
| 00:12:42,500 | 00:12:44,500 | 要跟司法院還有縣市政府來 |
| 00:12:44,500 | 00:12:46,500 | 討論 |
| 00:12:46,500 | 00:12:48,500 | 那個我們會 |
| 00:12:48,500 | 00:12:50,500 | 盡快 |
| 00:12:50,500 | 00:12:52,500 | 在主辦財款 |
| 00:12:52,500 | 00:12:54,500 | 還有可能對縣市政府 |
| 00:12:54,500 | 00:12:56,500 | 跟司法院來議情的時候 |
| 00:12:56,500 | 00:12:58,500 | 這個還要 |
| 00:12:58,500 | 00:13:00,500 | 在細部討論因為還要看 |
| 00:13:00,500 | 00:13:02,500 | 司法院的態度跟縣市政府 |
| 00:13:02,500 | 00:13:04,500 | 你其實能不能把 |
| 00:13:04,500 | 00:13:06,500 | 進度 |
| 00:13:06,500 | 00:13:08,500 | 我們沒辦法掌握進度 |
| 00:13:08,500 | 00:13:10,500 | 還有行政院他們也是希望 |
| 00:13:10,500 | 00:13:12,500 | 我們能夠快 |
| 00:13:12,500 | 00:13:14,500 | 因為司法院沒有給我們 |
| 00:13:14,500 | 00:13:16,500 | 既定的答案的時候我們 |
| 00:13:16,500 | 00:13:18,500 | 只能空白 |
| 00:13:18,500 | 00:13:20,500 | 我們都想處理 |
| 00:13:20,500 | 00:13:22,500 | 這個條例的 |
| 00:13:22,500 | 00:13:24,500 | 所以我們的意見我們都進去了 |
| 00:13:24,500 | 00:13:26,500 | 我們希望你們 |
| 00:13:26,500 | 00:13:28,500 | 做快速度好不好 |
| 00:13:28,500 | 00:13:30,500 | 好謝謝 |