| IVOD_ID |
170946 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170946 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第23次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
23 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第23次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-12T11:07:09+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-12T11:15:13+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:04 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/628bd009efdbf44bcb4e389e6d05c1892dd155ae7acf52ac48cc33a1c1d0158ebe38506e5337c7fe5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳琪銘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:07:09 - 11:15:13 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第23次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請內政部部長、國土管理署署長、財政部、金融監督管理委員會、中央銀行就「高房價環境下青年安心成家購屋優惠貸款3.0政策檢討：青年購屋門檻、首購資格認定、年齡限制、申貸年齡與核貸年限總合限制及政策上路對於落實居住正義、健全房市政策與配套措施」進行專題報告並備質詢。二、邀請內政部部長、國土管理署署長就「落實居住正義之困境與對策：十三萬戶社宅興辦檢討、都更社宅容獎制度失靈，暨行政院租賃市場修法三大方向(保障租期、限制漲幅、強化權益)之執行進度」進行專題報告並備質詢。） |
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主席我們儀會同仁、前內政部長以及我們國土署署長還有駐職中心董事長 |
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還有地政司司長 |
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委員好 |
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20.48 |
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22.78 |
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好謝謝 |
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22.78 |
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26.36 |
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今天大家討論社會自在 |
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26.36 |
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28.66 |
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這個興建已包租代管 |
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28.86 |
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33.58 |
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本身在這邊看到這個事跡真的有點嚇到 |
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33.58 |
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38.58 |
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就近期我們造機防護管理包租代管 |
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38.58 |
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44.74 |
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還有寄居卸、置屋這兩家公司所佔的比例 |
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44.74 |
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對主要是比例還有公司的危機 |
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49.78 |
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以及掏空的風險 |
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49.78 |
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54.74 |
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這個部分真的是我們都要去注意 |
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54.74 |
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58.26 |
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不能說我們推動的一個包租代管 |
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社會主宰都是很好的政策 |
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60.82 |
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64.42 |
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這也是蔡英文時代所推動的 |
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66.98 |
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大家都看到這個成果 |
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69.78 |
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後來看到這個怎麼會這樣 |
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請董事長來做說明 |
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好謝謝委員 |
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74.82 |
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第一現在社會自在包租代管有效租約大概在11萬多戶 |
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81.62 |
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86.5 |
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那造機和寄居卸現在合併起來的案件 |
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86.5 |
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89.3 |
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大概是21,000戶左右 |
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89.3 |
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93.3 |
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21,000到22,000 |
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93.3 |
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94.82 |
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所以大概是兩成 |
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98.66 |
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大概是兩成是這兩家業者加總的一個服務量 |
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98.66 |
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105.3 |
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那當然過去因為其實也鼓勵業者努力的做案子 |
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105.3 |
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109.3 |
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所以說並不會去設計他做案子的天花板 |
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109.54 |
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112.1 |
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你只要真的依規定做到 |
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112.1 |
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114.1 |
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那我們就依規定來補助 |
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114.1 |
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116.9 |
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那當然今天大家有擔憂說 |
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116.9 |
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120.82 |
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服務的規模是不是要有一個合理的管控等等 |
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120.82 |
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124.5 |
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我想這部分我會跟內政部也跟工會 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
124.5 |
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126.5 |
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大家再來做一些討論 |
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126.5 |
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128.5 |
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怎麼樣維持一個 |
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128.5 |
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130.1 |
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業者還是可以努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
130.1 |
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134.26 |
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但是也避免過度擴大而導致風險集中的問題 |
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134.26 |
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136.26 |
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這部分我們一起來後續解答 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
136.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
138.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
我一個建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
138.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
141.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
因為我本席這邊的事跡 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
141.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
144.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
就佔了3萬多戶 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
144.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
146.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
3萬多戶的比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
146.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
148.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
沒有那麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
148.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
155.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
所以在業界很多人都在承攬這種包租代管的業務 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
155.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
157.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
是不是說把它限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
157.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
159.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
不要讓它超過一個水平 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
159.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
162.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
將這個風險把它分散 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
162.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
164.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
是 剛才說這點 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
165.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
168.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
所以現在可以保護未來不要同操有這種事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
168.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
172.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
對 我們的國家政府跟工會 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
172.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
175.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
大家最近來討論一個比較適切的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
175.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
177.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
對 我們是要針對問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
177.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
179.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
是 既然當事情發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
179.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
181.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
我們就是要針對問題來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
181.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
183.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
183.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
185.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
我現在請部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
185.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
187.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
董事長先聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
187.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
191.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
部長 其實你所說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
191.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
193.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
不管我們社會住宅 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
193.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
197.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
或是他的租約期限是不是可以拉長 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
197.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
201.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
尤其我們現在是0歲到18歲 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
201.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
203.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
都政府補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
203.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
205.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
政府補助是不是會把 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
205.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
209.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
要是新結婚有孩子的 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
209.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
213.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
我們也把它拉長到0歲到18歲 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
213.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
214.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
這樣孩子在那 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
214.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
216.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
他不用常常換房 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
216.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
218.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
不然他又不用常常換學校 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
218.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
220.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
因為孩子的成長 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
220.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
222.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
可以固定在那 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
222.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
224.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
就是0歲到18歲 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
224.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
226.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
那你未來的租約 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
226.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
228.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
是不是說有新婚的 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
228.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
230.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
有小孩的 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
230.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
232.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
我們可以用這個配套把它綁在一起 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
232.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
234.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
就是0歲到18歲 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
234.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
238.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
我認為這個政策是一個非常好的政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
240.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
244.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
所以這樣才可以確實照顧到 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
244.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
246.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
所有這基層的 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
246.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
248.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
這些年輕人 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
248.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
250.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
不然年輕人大家都會怕 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
250.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
252.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
買房買不起 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
252.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
254.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
租金多到收款 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
254.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
256.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
但社會住宅起碼穩定 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
256.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
258.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
不用說合約一制定 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
258.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
260.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
就是18年 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
260.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
262.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
他孩子也改生 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
262.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
264.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
未來要救學 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
264.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
266.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
他也都救進 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
266.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
268.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
還有房子 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
268.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
270.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
他也比較重宏 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
270.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
272.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
這對雄雄民都是好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
272.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
274.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
所以好的政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
274.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
276.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
我們一定要下一推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
276.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
278.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
278.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
280.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
我相信目前我們的政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
280.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
282.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
就是0到6歲最高可以到12年 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
282.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
284.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
12年大概就是小學畢業 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
284.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
286.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
如果是6歲12年的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
286.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
288.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
他其實就是已經變成是高中畢業 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
288.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
290.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
但是我們在處理的過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
290.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
292.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
還會繼續滾動式的檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
292.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
294.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
我們都了解有這樣的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
294.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
296.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
但是社會住宅還是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
296.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
298.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
是只租不會賣 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
298.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
300.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
但是你可以長租到12年或18年 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
300.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
302.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
就看他在撫育他的小孩子的過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
302.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
304.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
是不是有這樣的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
304.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
306.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
我們會再做滾動式的調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
306.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
308.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
要是18年的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
308.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
310.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
就配合我們政府的政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
310.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
312.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
那要社會住宅的量要夠多 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
312.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
314.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
那如果社會住宅的量不夠多的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
314.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
316.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
就會變成有的人有 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
316.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
318.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
有的人沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
318.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
320.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
因為我們都知道我們在處理政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
320.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
322.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
社會福利政策的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
322.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
324.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
是不換寡人換不均 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
324.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
326.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
這個問題要優先來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
326.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
328.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
好的謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
328.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
330.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
請我們地政司司長 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
330.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
332.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
市長 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
332.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
334.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
市長 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
334.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
336.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
我請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
336.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
338.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
土城的 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
338.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
340.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
我們的四環園區 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
340.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
342.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
四環園區現在又延期了 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
342.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
344.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
很多地主他們都提出反應 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
344.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
346.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
我們延期的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
346.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
348.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
是會延多久 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
348.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
350.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
OK |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
350.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
352.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
先跟委員報告因為去年的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
352.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
354.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
台電突然通知我們161KV |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
354.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
356.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
要在我們的道路下面鋪設 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
356.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
358.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
所以整個一個道路的規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
358.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
360.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
整地然後那個水保 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
360.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
362.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
全部都要做一個調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
362.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
364.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
那我們現在的話第一方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
364.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
366.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
是請廠商來幫我們改工 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
366.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
368.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
那第二個部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
368.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
370.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
就是供給的安排我們會調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
370.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
372.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
那117年我們社宅用地 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
372.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
374.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
會交地 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
374.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
376.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
那配給民眾的地我們會先趕在 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
376.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
378.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
118年先交給民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
378.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
380.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
然後再來完成其他的土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
380.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
382.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
會先把民眾的權益的部分先把它顧好 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
382.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
384.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
好市長 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
384.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
386.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
因為我現在很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
386.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
388.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
我們的民眾他們有疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
388.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
390.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
那我們找一個適當的時段 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
390.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
392.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
跟民眾來做溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
392.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
394.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
OK沒問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
394.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
396.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
那我們請國土署署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
400.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
402.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
署長好剛才王美惠 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
402.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
404.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
她說 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
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406.66 |
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因為現在全國都面臨土方之亂 |
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406.66 |
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408.66 |
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這點 |
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408.66 |
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410.66 |
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都請你很清楚 |
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其實土方之亂這都當然是一個政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
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要改變之前你配套 |
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416.66 |
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一定要先出來 |
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416.66 |
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418.66 |
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大家都會去處理這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
418.66 |
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420.66 |
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所以我們做地方民意代表 |
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422.66 |
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我們的壓力都很大 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
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424.66 |
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處理的問題大家就罵我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
424.66 |
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426.66 |
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罵我們要怎麼解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
426.66 |
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428.66 |
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現在不是我們活動解決的 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
428.66 |
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430.66 |
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所以說我們政府有任何政策 |
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之前先讓他們溝通好 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
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434.66 |
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再來做改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
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436.66 |
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不然你會做土方之亂 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
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你現在全國都在罵 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
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這點就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
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我要在這個時段 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
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444.66 |
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提出要拜託說 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
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446.66 |
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要出一個有改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
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有辦法配套的 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
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才會實施 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
450.66 |
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我們現在下半年開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
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都有一些法規在修訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
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我們把市民的土方 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
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市民的土方可以做交換 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
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這部分就是我們在說 |
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A到B到C那個C我們就進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
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而且還進去A到C |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
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所以這都有跟地方民意 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
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經過溝通也開過會 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
468.66 |
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470.66 |
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大約在年底前會完成修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
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好 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
472.66 |
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474.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
剛才美惠說 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
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其實我們地方民意代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
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大家都有這個壓力存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
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好謝謝 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
吳委員琪銘 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-08-12T11:07:09+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-08-12T11:07:12.929032+08:00 |
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主席、各位與會同仁。 |
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0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
吳委員琪銘 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-08-12T11:07:14.051613+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T11:07:28.388571+08:00 |
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請內政部長、國土署署長、住都中心董事長還有地政司司長。 |
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0.875 |
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劉部長世芳 |
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2026-08-12T11:07:28.720000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T11:07:29.226667+08:00 |
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委員好。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
吳委員琪銘 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-08-12T11:07:29.480000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T11:07:31.013333+08:00 |
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好，謝謝。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
吳委員琪銘 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-08-12T11:07:31.780000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T11:08:21.440000+08:00 |
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今天大家在討論社會住宅的興建與包租代管，本席看到這個數據真的有一點嚇到，就是近期包租代管龍頭「兆基」屋管及「寄居蟹」租屋這兩家公司所占的比例、公司的危機以及掏空的風險，我們對這個部分真的要去注意，我們推動的包租代管、社會住宅都是很好的政策，這也是在蔡英文時代所推動的，大家都有看到這個成果，可是後來怎麼會這樣，請董事長說明好不好？ |
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0.787 |
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花董事長敬群 |
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2026-08-12T11:08:21.820000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T11:08:23.420000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝委員。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
花董事長敬群 |
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2026-08-12T11:08:23.820000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T11:08:47.457895+08:00 |
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第一，現在社會住宅包租代管有效租約大概在十一萬多戶，那「兆基」和「寄居蟹」現在合併起來的案件大概是2萬1,000戶到2萬2,000戶，所以這兩家業者加總的服務量大概是兩成。 |
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0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
花董事長敬群 |
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2026-08-12T11:08:48.656000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T11:09:02.900000+08:00 |
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在過去其實很鼓勵業者努力的做案子，所以並不會去設計他做案子數量的天花板，你只要真的依規定做到，我們就依規定來補助。 |
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0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
花董事長敬群 |
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2026-08-12T11:09:03.354545+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T11:09:24.760000+08:00 |
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當然今天大家會擔憂對服務的規模是不是要有一個合理的管控等等，我想對這部分我會跟內政部、公會大家再來做一些討論，業者還是可以努力，但是也要避免過度擴大而導致風險集中的問題，我們後續會來做檢討。 |
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0.888 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
吳委員琪銘 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-08-12T11:09:25.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T11:09:34.753333+08:00 |
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董事長，我提一個建議，因為根據本席這邊的數據就占了三萬多戶，三萬多戶的比例很高…… |
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0.639 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
花董事長敬群 |
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2026-08-12T11:09:35.020000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T11:09:36.620000+08:00 |
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沒有那麼多。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
吳委員琪銘 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-08-12T11:09:37.713333+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T11:09:48.676000+08:00 |
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在業界有很多人都在承攬這種包租代管的業務，是不是要加以限制、不要讓它超過一個水平？ |
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0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
吳委員琪銘 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-08-12T11:09:48.940000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-08-12T11:09:51.642222+08:00 |
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就是將風險分散。 |
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0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
花董事長敬群 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-08-12T11:09:51.980000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T11:09:54.653684+08:00 |
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是，剛才我就是在說這一點，我們現在六都…… |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.471 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
吳委員琪銘 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-08-12T11:09:55.247368+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T11:09:57.622105+08:00 |
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這樣才能確保未來不要再發生這種事情。 |
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0.529 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
花董事長敬群 |
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2026-08-12T11:09:57.820000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T11:10:04.020000+08:00 |
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對，我們會再跟內政部、公會大家一起討論比較適切的做法。 |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
吳委員琪銘 |
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2026-08-12T11:10:04.220000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T11:10:10.053333+08:00 |
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對，我們是要針對問題，既然這種事情發生了，我們就是要針對問題來處理啦！ |
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0.871 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
吳委員琪銘 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-08-12T11:10:10.886667+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T11:10:15.420000+08:00 |
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謝謝，我現在請部長，董事長先請回座。 |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
吳委員琪銘 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-08-12T11:10:16.220000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T11:10:42.096364+08:00 |
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部長，昨天你們在說我們社會住宅的租約期限是不是可以拉長，尤其我們現在是0歲到18歲都有政府補助，政府補助是不是可以對剛結婚、有孩子的也拉長為0歲到18歲？ |
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0.848 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
吳委員琪銘 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-08-12T11:10:42.460000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T11:11:03.260000+08:00 |
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這樣他就不用常常換房子住，孩子也不用常常換學校，讓孩子從0歲到18歲在成長期都可以固定在同一個地方，那你未來的租約是不是可以對新婚的、有小孩的用這個配套綁在一起，就是0歲到18歲？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.718 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
吳委員琪銘 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-08-12T11:11:03.660000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T11:11:21.993333+08:00 |
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我認為這是一個非常好的政策，這樣才可以確實照顧到所有這些基層的年輕人，不然年輕人大家都會怕，要買房子也買不起，租金又太高啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.86 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
吳委員琪銘 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-08-12T11:11:23.660000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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2026-08-12T11:11:41.437778+08:00 |
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但是社會住宅起碼穩定，合約一簽就是18年，這樣他才敢生孩子，孩子未來就學也都就近，他也敢裝潢房子，這對兩方面都是好的啦！ |
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0.596 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
吳委員琪銘 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-08-12T11:11:41.660000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T11:11:46.993333+08:00 |
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所以我們一定要推動這個好的政策，好不好？ |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-08-12T11:11:46.993333+08:00 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-08-12T11:11:48.260000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝委員的關心。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-08-12T11:11:48.260000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-08-12T11:12:15.478182+08:00 |
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目前我們的政策就是0歲到6歲，最高可以到12年，12年大概就是小學畢業，如果是6歲，過了12年其實就已經高中畢業，但是我們在處理的過程當中還是會繼續滾動式的檢討，我們都了解有這樣的需求，雖然社會住宅還是一樣只租不賣，但是你可以長租12年或18年，就看他在撫育小孩的過程當中是不是有這樣子的需求，我們會再做滾動式的調整。 |
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0.948 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
吳委員琪銘 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-08-12T11:12:15.660000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-08-12T11:12:19.460000+08:00 |
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好，要是18年的話，就配合我們政府的政策…… |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-08-12T11:12:19.660000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T11:12:35.460000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
那也要社會住宅的量夠多，如果社會住宅的量不夠多的話，就會變成有的人有、有的人沒有，因為我們都知道，我們在處理社會福利政策的時候是不患寡而患不均，這個問題要優先來處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
吳委員琪銘 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-08-12T11:12:35.660000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-08-12T11:12:37.160000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
好的，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
吳委員琪銘 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-08-12T11:12:37.660000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-08-12T11:12:39.410000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
請地政司司長。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
林司長家正 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-08-12T11:12:39.410000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-08-12T11:12:42.660000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
吳委員琪銘 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-08-12T11:12:42.660000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-08-12T11:12:57.260000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
司長，我請教一下，我們土城的司法園區現在又延期了，很多地主都有反映想知道延期的時間是會延多久。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.767 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
林司長家正 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-08-12T11:12:59.660000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-08-12T11:13:31.535000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
先跟委員報告，因為台電在去年突然通知我們161kV要在那裡的道路下面鋪設，所以整個道路的規劃、整地還有水保全部都要做一個調整，我們現在第一個是請廠商來幫我們趕工，第二個就是我們會調整工期的安排，在117年我們社宅的用地會交地，我們會趕在118年先把配給民眾的地交給他們，然後再來完成其他的土地，就是會先把民眾的權益顧好。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.794 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
吳委員琪銘 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-08-12T11:13:32.993333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-08-12T11:13:41.374286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
司長，現在很多的民眾有疑慮，是不是能夠找一個適當的時段來跟民眾溝通？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.774 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
林司長家正 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-08-12T11:13:41.660000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-08-12T11:13:43.260000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
OK，沒問題，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
吳委員琪銘 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-08-12T11:13:44.326667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-08-12T11:13:45.437778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
好，請國土署署長。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
蔡署長長展 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-08-12T11:13:45.437778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-08-12T11:13:49.660000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
吳委員琪銘 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-08-12T11:13:49.660000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-08-12T11:13:50.160000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
署長好。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
吳委員琪銘 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-08-12T11:13:50.410000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-08-12T11:13:59.326667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
剛才王美惠所提出的問題，因為現在全國都面臨土方之亂，這一點你應該都很清楚。有。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.686 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
吳委員琪銘 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-08-12T11:13:59.926667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-08-12T11:14:15.410000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
之所以會有土方之亂，其實當初在一個政策要改變之前，一定要先有配套出來，不然都會遇到這個問題，所以我們身為地方民意代表，我們的壓力也都很大，一旦遇到問題，大家就是罵我們，那要怎麼解決？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.695 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
吳委員琪銘 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-08-12T11:14:16.023636+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-08-12T11:14:17.478182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
這也不是我們有辦法解決的啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.538 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
吳委員琪銘 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-08-12T11:14:17.660000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-08-12T11:14:39.160000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
所以中央在有任何政策要改變之前就要先跟他們溝通好再來做改變啊，不然像這個土方之亂，現在全國都在罵，所以我要在這個時候提出這一點，拜託你們一定要提出一個能夠改善問題、有配套的政策，然後再來實施，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.598 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
蔡署長長展 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-08-12T11:14:39.660000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-08-12T11:14:59.478182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
好，我們下半年開始都有一些法規的修訂，我們會讓私人的土方可以做交換，這部分就是我們在說的A到B到C，我們會增加那個C，而且還會增加A到C，所以這都有跟地方經過溝通，也有開過會，大約在年底前會完成修法。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
吳委員琪銘 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-08-12T11:14:59.660000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-08-12T11:15:08.993333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
好，因為剛才美惠在說，其實我們地方的民意代表都有壓力存在，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-08-12T11:15:09.493333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-08-12T11:15:13.207619+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
下一位請劉書彬委員發言質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0 |