| IVOD_ID |
170940 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170940 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第23次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
23 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第23次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-12T10:22:19+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-12T10:30:22+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:03 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
李柏毅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:22:19 - 10:30:22 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第23次全體委員會議(事由:一、邀請內政部部長、國土管理署署長、財政部、金融監督管理委員會、中央銀行就「高房價環境下青年安心成家購屋優惠貸款3.0政策檢討:青年購屋門檻、首購資格認定、年齡限制、申貸年齡與核貸年限總合限制及政策上路對於落實居住正義、健全房市政策與配套措施」進行專題報告並備質詢。二、邀請內政部部長、國土管理署署長就「落實居住正義之困境與對策:十三萬戶社宅興辦檢討、都更社宅容獎制度失靈,暨行政院租賃市場修法三大方向(保障租期、限制漲幅、強化權益)之執行進度」進行專題報告並備質詢。) |
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請問中央在問你進度時回報以後算出來的東西叫做現階段不是草案 |
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好那我再問你一次 |
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37 |
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賴總統的承諾新建社會住宅13萬戶 |
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現階段是多少 |
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現階段我們已經核定的是2萬4千戶 |
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你剛加縣市政府的是多少 |
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47 |
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加縣市政府是3萬戶 |
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對嘛 這是現階段 |
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怎麼會是草案呢 |
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好 那今天內政部也說明的很清楚 |
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很清楚喔 |
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那目標不變 |
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13萬戶目標不變 |
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但是新建的方式可能要地方政府來協助 |
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67 |
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我講一下我的選區左營男子 |
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那因為產業進駐的關係 |
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77 |
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其實左營男子的這個社宅新建包含絕標帶開工的戶數 |
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77 |
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79 |
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9千多戶接近1萬戶 |
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這個應該是所有全台灣的行政區裡面算是最高的一區之一啦 |
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85 |
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那未來還有沒有新建的空間 |
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我覺得未來我們現在面臨的是 |
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租補的不確定性 |
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95 |
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這一部分我要請部長回應 |
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部長 才化法之後 |
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那整個台北市政府 |
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台北市的才化法之後的多獲得的金額是 |
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1150億左右 |
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116 |
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高雄市只獲得只拿到757億 |
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比原本的增加不到250億 |
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而且必須要負擔的金額非常的多 |
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126 |
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對高雄市不公平之外 |
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131 |
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台北市目前對於租補的政策 |
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131 |
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136 |
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他還說是中央的政策地方要買單 |
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136 |
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請問部長這樣公平嗎 |
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地方政府是不是也應該要負擔這些租補的金額 |
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146 |
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報告委員到目前為止 |
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146 |
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152 |
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116年的租補的負擔比例並沒有改變 |
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152 |
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153 |
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這樣不公平吧 |
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157 |
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你多拿了那麼多金費多拿了500億 |
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然後租補你一塊錢都不出 |
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當然委員所提的部分我們有檢討的空間 |
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166 |
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那這個檢討的空間大概會以財政收支劃分法的方式 |
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170 |
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172 |
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再來做這個檢討跟改進 |
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172 |
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所以原版的才化法裡面有把這一部分討論進去嗎 |
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175 |
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178 |
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但是立法院就是不排不通過 |
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178 |
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181 |
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立法院通過的就是國民黨版本的才化法 |
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181 |
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184 |
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那國民黨版本的才化法在台北市台中市 |
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184 |
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189 |
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他多拿了這麼多的才化法的分配款之後 |
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192 |
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他對租補他還是不願意付出 |
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192 |
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那你從中央拿了那麼多預算過去之後 |
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你對租補還是不願意付出 |
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198 |
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這是我今天想要點出來的問題 |
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所以部長我們是不是跟地方政府再喊喊話 |
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希望他們在今年度明年度的租補 |
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地方政府也應該要多付 |
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210 |
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213 |
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我們再來跟地方檢討 |
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就是說原來中央所提到的就是租補的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
216 |
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不管是權而補助或是有部分的補助的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
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無論怎麼樣如果我們依法行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
222 |
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224 |
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還是要按照財政收支劃分法來 |
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但是這裡面如果已經有影響到 |
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226 |
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尤其是弱勢族群的話 |
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我覺得我們需要再跟地方政府多多溝通 |
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235 |
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而且有些地方政府的財力其實相當的不錯 |
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235 |
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240 |
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那如果根據我們大院所通過的財力分級的補助的話 |
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240 |
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241 |
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台北市是60% |
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241 |
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242 |
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新北市70% |
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244 |
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桃園跟台中是80% |
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244 |
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245 |
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台中是80% |
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245 |
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246 |
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高雄市是85% |
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246 |
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247 |
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台南市是90% |
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247 |
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250 |
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這個是根據我們新的這個裁劃法 |
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250 |
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254 |
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但是如果每個縣市政府不願意按照這樣的比例來做這個分攤的話 |
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254 |
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256 |
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我們也必須要有容索的空間 |
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256 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
258 |
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不過我剛有跟委員報告過 |
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258 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
264 |
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115跟116到目前為止是按照現行的這個條件並沒有做改變 |
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264 |
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265 |
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好謝謝部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
265 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
266 |
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我們再來做基隆市的調整 |
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266 |
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268 |
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來我請這個花敬群董事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
274 |
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276 |
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董事長剛有動氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
276 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
277 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
我覺得不必要動氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
277 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
284 |
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我們來把這個目前出事的這家營運公司的來龍區 |
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284 |
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285 |
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部長請先回座 |
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285 |
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291 |
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我們把這個目前財務狀況有問題的這家公司來做 |
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291 |
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它的來龍區賣的一個解讀 |
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295 |
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302 |
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2017年蔡英文政府在行政院核定社會住宅興辦計畫之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
303 |
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308 |
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地方政府第一個委託造機做社宅營運的是誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
308 |
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309 |
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是台北市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
309 |
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310 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
是 |
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310 |
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314 |
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2018年當時董事長在內政部 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
314 |
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318 |
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這個租賃市場發展管理條例通過之後 |
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318 |
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324 |
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才有後來的造機屋管開始大量的 |
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324 |
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329 |
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不管在地方政府或者是中央在推動這些社宅 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
329 |
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331 |
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有大量的這些委託的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
332 |
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333 |
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這個是時間的脈絡 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
333 |
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338 |
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我跟你們報告造機公司在我們社交包租代管一共有五期 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
338 |
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341 |
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一到四期做的都是縣市政府的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
341 |
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343 |
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沒有做中央政府的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
343 |
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346 |
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第五期才開始做中央政府的版本 |
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346 |
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349 |
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那為什麼民眾黨第一時間要跳出來做這麼多解釋 |
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349 |
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352 |
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你要知道啊就是從台北市政府來的啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
352 |
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354 |
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所以你不必動氣 |
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354 |
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357 |
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因為包租代管目前是政府的政策 |
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357 |
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358 |
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是 |
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358 |
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360 |
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那政府的政策當然要有民間的配合 |
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360 |
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363 |
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那這一個包租代管能不能營運是可以的 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
363 |
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364 |
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是 |
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364 |
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369 |
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個別公司出問題不代表這一個包租代管的業務是有問題的 |
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369 |
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370 |
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是 |
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370 |
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372 |
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我們必須要把這一個釐清楚之後 |
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372 |
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377 |
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好那如果萬一其他的公司以後也有這些相關類似的問題 |
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377 |
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378 |
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我們怎麼來處理 |
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378 |
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380 |
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這是我們目前要討論的問題 |
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380 |
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384 |
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包含剛剛其他委員有提到旅行社同業的平保 |
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384 |
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389 |
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或者是比如說這個健身產業 |
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389 |
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健身房他也有這些相關的規定 |
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392 |
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397 |
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你到一定金額預收多少你必須要履約能力要有信託等等的 |
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400 |
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這些是我們即將馬上要來處理的問題是不是 |
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400 |
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401 |
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是 |
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401 |
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404 |
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那董事長你覺得接下來要怎麼處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
404 |
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406 |
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那我們報告當然我們現階段 |
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406 |
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410 |
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目前有沒有除了這些投資人之外 |
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410 |
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415 |
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那有沒有任何的租客或者是房東找我們住都中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
415 |
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418 |
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大家只是在問接下來會怎麼樣 |
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418 |
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421 |
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但是並沒有誰表達說他已經受到損害了 |
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421 |
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423 |
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因為服務都還在 |
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423 |
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425 |
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所以這個部分持續都還在營運中 |
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425 |
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427 |
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那這個現在的制度底下 |
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427 |
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431 |
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可以來保障房東房客權益的資源 |
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431 |
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435 |
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包含營業保一到租用專法的營業保證金 |
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435 |
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438 |
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那在中央版的社會租宅包租代管 |
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438 |
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440 |
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我們還有押租金專戶 |
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440 |
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441 |
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那這個部分 |
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441 |
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444 |
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這個部分積蓄稅有1000多萬 |
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444 |
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445 |
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造機有3000多萬 |
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445 |
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448 |
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這個其實還是可以往上調的 |
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448 |
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449 |
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如果他的這些押金出台 |
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449 |
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455 |
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甚至我們還有我們預計本來要付給這兩家公司的一些服務費用 |
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455 |
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457 |
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我們現在都已經先暫時停下來 |
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457 |
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460 |
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我們就是要馬上立即保護 |
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460 |
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464 |
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不管是房東或者是房客相關這些合約的問題住都中心 |
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464 |
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466 |
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現在的制度已經有這些資源了 |
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466 |
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470 |
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那當然委員提到了一些強化的機制 |
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470 |
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474 |
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當然我會跟內政部跟地方政府大家一起來溝通 |
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474 |
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477 |
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能夠再強化的我們絕對會一定會虛心的接受 |
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477 |
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478 |
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然後來檢討 |
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478 |
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479 |
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OK好謝謝 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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謝謝,有請劉部長。 |
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劉部長世芳 |
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2026-08-12T10:22:20+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-08-12T10:22:21+08:00 |
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李委員好。 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-08-12T10:22:21+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-08-12T10:22:22+08:00 |
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還有署長。 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-08-12T10:22:20.862069+08:00 |
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署長,你來自地方政府的局長,中央在問你這些進度,你回報以後算出來的東西,那個叫做現階段,不是草案。 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-08-12T10:22:46.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T10:22:57.666667+08:00 |
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我再問你一次,賴總統承諾興建社會住宅13萬戶,現階段是多少? |
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0.96 |
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蔡署長長展 |
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2026-08-12T10:22:58+08:00 |
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現階段我們已經核定的是2萬4,000戶。 |
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0.929 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-08-12T10:23:02+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-08-12T10:23:03.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
你剛剛加縣市政府的是多少? |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
蔡署長長展 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-08-12T10:23:04+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-08-12T10:23:05.750000+08:00 |
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加縣市政府是3萬戶。 |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-08-12T10:23:06+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-08-12T10:23:09.714286+08:00 |
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對嘛,這是現階段,怎麼會是草案呢? |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-08-12T10:23:10+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-08-12T10:23:21.764706+08:00 |
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好,今天內政部也說明得很清楚,13萬戶目標不變,但是興建的方式可能要地方政府來協助。 |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-08-12T10:23:22+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-08-12T10:23:45.833333+08:00 |
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我講一下我的選區左營、楠梓,因為產業進駐的關係,其實左營、楠梓的社宅興建,包含決標、待開工的戶數有九千多戶,接近一萬戶,這個應該是全臺灣行政區裡面最高的區之一,未來還有沒有興建的空間? |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.866 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-08-12T10:23:46+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-08-12T10:23:53.727273+08:00 |
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我覺得我們現在面臨的是租補的不確定性,這部分我要請部長回應。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-08-12T10:23:54+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-08-12T10:24:22.714286+08:00 |
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部長,財劃法修法之後,整個臺北市政府多獲得的經費是1,150億左右,高雄市只獲得757億,比原本的增加不到250億,而且必須要負擔的金額非常多。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-08-12T10:24:23+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-08-12T10:24:37.666667+08:00 |
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除了對高雄市不公平之外,臺北市目前對於租補的政策,還說是「中央的政策,地方要買單」,請問部長,這樣公平嗎? |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.956 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-08-12T10:24:38+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-08-12T10:24:42.250000+08:00 |
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地方政府是不是也應該要負擔這些租補的經費? |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-08-12T10:24:43+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-08-12T10:24:50.571429+08:00 |
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報告委員,到目前為止,它116年的租補負擔比例並沒有改變。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-08-12T10:24:51+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-08-12T10:24:51.833333+08:00 |
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這樣不公平吧? |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-08-12T10:24:52+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-08-12T10:24:58.727273+08:00 |
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你多拿了那麼多經費,多拿了500億,然後租補你一塊錢都不出。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-08-12T10:25:00+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-08-12T10:25:10.600000+08:00 |
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當然委員所提的部分,我們有檢討的空間,這個檢討的空間大概會以財政收支劃分法的方式再來做檢討跟改善。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.978 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-08-12T10:25:11.428571+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-08-12T10:25:16.750000+08:00 |
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院版的財劃法裡面有把這部分討論進去,但是立法院就是不排、不通過啊! |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-08-12T10:25:17+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-08-12T10:25:19.823529+08:00 |
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立法院通過的就是國民黨版本的財劃法。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-08-12T10:25:20.176471+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T10:25:30.750000+08:00 |
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根據國民黨版本的財劃法,臺北市、臺中市多拿了這麼多財劃法的分配款之後,他們對租補還是不願意付出。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.841 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-08-12T10:25:31.500000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-08-12T10:25:38.846154+08:00 |
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他們從中央拿了那麼多預算之後,對租補還是不願意付出,這是我今天想要點出來的問題啦! |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-08-12T10:25:41+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-08-12T10:25:46.785714+08:00 |
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所以,部長,我們是不是還要跟地方政府喊喊話,希望地方政府也應該多付今年度、明年度的租補? |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.718 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-08-12T10:25:49+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-08-12T10:26:10.764706+08:00 |
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我們再來跟地方檢討,就是原來中央所提到的租補的部分,不管是全額補助或是部分補助,無論怎麼樣,如果我們依法行政,還是要按照財政收支劃分法來執行,但是這裡面如果已經有影響到尤其是弱勢族群的話,我覺得我們需要再跟地方政府多多溝通。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-08-12T10:26:11+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-08-12T10:26:34.833333+08:00 |
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而且有些地方政府的財力其實相當不錯,如果根據大院所通過的財力分級補助,臺北市是60%、新北是70%、桃園跟臺中是80%、高雄市是85%、臺南市是90%,這是根據新的財劃法來的,但是如果每個縣市政府都不願意按照這樣的比例來分攤的話,我們也必須要有容受的空間。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-08-12T10:26:35+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-08-12T10:26:42.727273+08:00 |
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不過,我剛剛有跟委員報告過,115跟116年度到目前為止是按照現行的條件,並沒有改變。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-08-12T10:26:43+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-08-12T10:26:44.909091+08:00 |
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好,謝謝部長,我們再來做機動式的調整。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-08-12T10:26:45+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-08-12T10:26:46.818182+08:00 |
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接下來我請花敬群董事長。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
花董事長敬群 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-08-12T10:26:46.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-08-12T10:26:49.909091+08:00 |
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委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-08-12T10:26:49.909091+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-08-12T10:26:53+08:00 |
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部長請先回座。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-08-12T10:26:53+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-08-12T10:27:26.736842+08:00 |
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董事長剛剛有動氣,我覺得不必要動氣,我們來把目前出事、財務狀況有問題的這家營運公司的來龍去脈解讀清楚,2017年蔡英文政府在行政院核定社會住宅興辦計畫之後,地方政府第一個委託兆基做社宅營運的是誰? |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.841 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-08-12T10:27:27+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-08-12T10:27:51.875000+08:00 |
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是臺北市政府;2018年當時董事長在內政部,租賃市場發展管理條例通過之後,兆基屋管才開始有大量的委託案件,不管在地方政府或中央在推動的社宅,這個是時間的脈絡。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
花董事長敬群 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-08-12T10:27:52+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-08-12T10:28:04.785714+08:00 |
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我跟委員報告,我們社宅包租代管一共有五期,一到四期做的都是縣市政府的版本,沒有做中央政府的版本,第五期才開始做中央政府的版本。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.948 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-08-12T10:28:05+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-08-12T10:28:07.857143+08:00 |
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那為什麼民眾黨第一時間要跳出來做這麼多解釋? |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-08-12T10:28:08+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-08-12T10:28:08.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
你要知道啊! |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-08-12T10:28:08.937500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-08-12T10:28:10.812500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
就是從臺北市政府來的啊! |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-08-12T10:28:11+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-08-12T10:28:21.117647+08:00 |
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所以你不必動氣,因為包租代管目前是政府的政策,那政府的政策當然要有民間的配合,這個包租代管能不能營運? |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-08-12T10:28:21.294118+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-08-12T10:28:28+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
是可以的,個別公司出問題,不代表包租代管業務是有問題的。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-08-12T10:28:29+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-08-12T10:28:30.428571+08:00 |
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我們必須要把這個釐清。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-08-12T10:28:31.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-08-12T10:28:36.857143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
萬一其他公司以後也有類似的問題,我們怎麼來處理? |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-08-12T10:28:37+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-08-12T10:28:38.833333+08:00 |
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這是我們目前要討論的問題。是的。 |
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0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-08-12T10:28:39+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-08-12T10:28:59+08:00 |
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包含剛剛其他委員有提到援引旅行社同業的品保,或者比如健身產業,也有相關的規定,到一定金額預收多少,必須要有履約能力、要有信託等等,這些是我們馬上要來處理的問題,是不是?是。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.948 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-08-12T10:29:00.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-08-12T10:29:02.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
董事長,你覺得接下來要怎麼處理? |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
花董事長敬群 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-08-12T10:29:03.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-08-12T10:29:04.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
跟委員報告,當然我們現階段除了…… |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.643 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-08-12T10:29:06.428571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-08-12T10:29:13.761905+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
除了這些投資人之之外,目前有沒有任何的租客或房東找住都中心? |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.893 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
花董事長敬群 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-08-12T10:29:14+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-08-12T10:29:23.857143+08:00 |
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大家只是在問接下來會怎麼樣,但是並沒有誰表達他已經受到損害了,因為服務都還在,所以這個部分持續都還在營運中。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
花董事長敬群 |
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2026-08-12T10:29:24.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-12T10:29:43.800000+08:00 |
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在現在的制度底下,可以來保障房東、房客權益的資源,有依照租賃專法的營業保證金,在中央版的社會住宅包租代管,我們還有押租金專戶,這個部分寄居蟹有一千多萬、兆基有三千多萬。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.803 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-08-12T10:29:44+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-08-12T10:29:47.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
這個其實還是可以往上調的,如果這些押金…… |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
花董事長敬群 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-08-12T10:29:48+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-08-12T10:29:55.846154+08:00 |
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甚至還有我們預計本來要付給這兩家公司的服務費用,我們現在都已經先暫時停下來。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-08-12T10:29:56+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-08-12T10:30:02.826087+08:00 |
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我們就是要立即保護不管是房東或房客合約上的權益,住都中心跟內政部必須要跳出來。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.649 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
花董事長敬群 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-08-12T10:30:03+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-08-12T10:30:04.846154+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
現在的制度已經有這些資源了。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
花董事長敬群 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-08-12T10:30:05.266667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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2026-08-12T10:30:16.800000+08:00 |
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當然,委員提到了一些強化的機制,我會跟內政部、地方政府大家一起來溝通,能夠再強化的,我們一定會虛心地接受,然後來檢討。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.981 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-08-12T10:30:17.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-08-12T10:30:17.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
好,謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-08-12T10:30:18.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
1 |
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2026-08-12T10:30:22.014286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
下一位請王美惠委員發言質詢。 |
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0 |