| IVOD_ID |
170884 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170884 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
25 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-10T11:39:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-10T11:56:35+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:17:33 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/11f3ac9a4aee4d2519d780553de9589a40bd953ec8f8f09099ee4bfa2bac52e0018613d2985edf055ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:39:02 - 11:56:35 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長率台灣糖業股份有限公司董事長、法務部首長、衛生福利部首長及審計部首長就「台灣糖業股份有限公司經營治理及風險控管之檢討—中聯油脂事件、台糖售地案等重大債權追償暨審計部114年度決算審核意見改善情形」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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0 |
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2 |
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葉委員 指揮委員 質詢 |
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11.76 |
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14.56 |
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主席好 我們先請江志剛主長 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].start |
14.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].end |
16.56 |
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請江首長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].start |
22.32 |
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24.32 |
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委員好 蘇大華老師跟你確定一件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].start |
24.32 |
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26.32 |
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因為8月7號那時候就傳出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].start |
26.32 |
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29.76 |
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您跟石頭良部長已經要請辭 |
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29.84 |
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32.32 |
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然後行政院的發言人說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
32.32 |
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34.32 |
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這個沒有辦法代為發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
34.32 |
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36.32 |
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所以大家的解讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
36.32 |
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38.32 |
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包括民進黨立委都解讀說你們已經請辭了 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
38.32 |
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40.32 |
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然後昨天呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
40.32 |
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42.32 |
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這個議題持續發酵 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
42.32 |
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44.32 |
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衛福部呢 回答也很曖昧 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
44.32 |
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46.32 |
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說不予回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
46.32 |
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48.32 |
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不是說沒有 是說不予回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
48.32 |
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50.32 |
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那行政院的回覆是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
50.32 |
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52.32 |
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沒有討論相關議題 |
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52.32 |
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54.32 |
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感覺上好像您跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
54.32 |
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56.32 |
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石頭良部長已經請辭 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
56.32 |
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58.32 |
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我跟您確認一下 您請辭了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
58.88 |
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60.88 |
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包委員 我現在還在這邊上班 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
60.88 |
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62.88 |
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你來這邊上班跟請辭是兩件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
62.88 |
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64.88 |
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不要耍嘴皮子 你請辭了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
64.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
66.88 |
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上班就是持續把還沒有做完的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
66.88 |
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68.88 |
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那有沒有請辭 |
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68.88 |
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70.88 |
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你請辭有可能還沒批啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
70.88 |
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72.88 |
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或者是你請辭可能為了一個禮拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
72.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
74.88 |
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你有沒有立出請辭這個動作 有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
74.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
76.88 |
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我想委員心裡面的答案 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
76.88 |
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78.88 |
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跟我的答案是一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
78.88 |
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80.88 |
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我的答案 我沒有答案啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
80.88 |
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82.88 |
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那我也沒有答案 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
82.88 |
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84.88 |
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不是來 不要浪費我的時間好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
84.88 |
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86.88 |
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你有沒有請辭那麼晚回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
87.44 |
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89.44 |
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今天請辭也代表是一個負責的表現嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
89.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
91.44 |
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我想這邊跟委員做進一步說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
91.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
93.44 |
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我來學藥署裡面有三件重要的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
93.44 |
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95.44 |
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第一個堅持我對於食安的科學治理 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
95.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
97.44 |
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誒 莊長 莊長 莊長 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
97.44 |
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99.44 |
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這個是你在上任的時候要講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
99.44 |
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101.44 |
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我現在問你請辭 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
101.44 |
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103.44 |
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你就這麼簡單你答不出 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
103.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
105.44 |
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我覺得很重要的事情是 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
105.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
107.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
我們所有的提議 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
107.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
109.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
我們學藥署的同仁的尊嚴 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
109.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
111.44 |
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有沒有想堅持下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
111.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
113.44 |
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所以我堅持還辭 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
113.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
115.44 |
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我看你回答這麼困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
116 |
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118 |
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因為我剛剛前面有鋪陳嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
118 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
120 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
你剛剛一直說答案跟我一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
120 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
122 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
我想說你應該請辭 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
122 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
124 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
那你就是沒請辭 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
124 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
126 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
所以就沒有請辭 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
126 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
128 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
那你沒有請辭我就不懂為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
128 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
130 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
謝謝委員可以住在我心裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
130 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
132 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
知道我的心 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
132 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
134 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
因為我說你請辭你說我答錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
134 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
136 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
那不就沒請辭嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
136 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
138 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
這就是有跟沒有嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
138 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
140 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
我覺得大家的中文 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
140 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
142 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
不用弄到那麼複雜 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
142 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
144 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
我說沒請辭 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
144.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
146.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
對我的去留最關心的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
146.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
148.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
中聯為什麼現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
148.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
150.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
沒有強力的譴責 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
150.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
152.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
我這邊是邀請全民一起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
152.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
154.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
然後我們來譴責中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
154.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
156.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
那請問一下你要不要請辭 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
156.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
158.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
不要每一次答不出問題的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
158.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
160.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
就顧左右言他好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
160.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
162.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
受不了 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
162.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
164.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
每次來這邊都耍嘴皮子 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
164.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
166.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
受不了耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
166.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
168.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
不然就說謊我現在問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
168.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
170.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
請問一下上個禮拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
170.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
172.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
我在衛環委員會問石崇良部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
173.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
175.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
我問他說7月3號 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
175.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
177.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
討論食品下架會議的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
177.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
179.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
中聯的人有沒有從頭到尾 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
179.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
181.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
待在那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
181.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
183.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
那他說沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
183.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
185.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
因為他報告完復工程序之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
185.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
187.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
就離開了回答沒有超過 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
187.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
189.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
我問他立刻回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
189.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
191.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
沒有吃一不到0.00001秒 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
191.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
193.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
那我當下就相信了 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
193.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
195.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
以為中聯的人報告完復工程序就離開 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
195.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
197.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
結果沒有想到 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
197.12 |
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199.12 |
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上個禮拜其他委員問你的時候 |
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199.12 |
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你在現場嘛7月3號實在會在現場嘛 |
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7月3號 |
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7月4號台中拍的 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
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7月4號拍跟他們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
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我說7月4號啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
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拜託主席 |
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我們請官員不要在那邊痞子樣好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
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我們現在討論是優先食安重要議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
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連衛福部的食安署長都在那邊耍痞子 |
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國安院都在看 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
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你一到回答不出來的問題 |
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你就只能用耍痞子的方式 |
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來迴避 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
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7月4號我在現場 |
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7月4號嘛 |
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那請問一下中聯的人 |
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| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
他有報告完復工程序就離開嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
跟委員報告完 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
他有沒有聽到你們在討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
實體下架標準有沒有 |
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我們把整體的 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
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有沒有 所有的內容都已經公開給全國 |
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不是我問你問題就回答就好了 |
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你不要跟扯別的 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
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中聯的人是不是在現場就直接聽到你們在討論 |
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下架標準有沒有嘛 |
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我想我們討論跟他 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
有沒有在現場 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
257.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
我們持續在討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
我們持續在討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
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不要扯別的好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
報告報告報告報告主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
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你可不可以約束一下這個官員 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
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我問他的問題他一直扯別的 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
這樣子你給我20分鐘都不夠啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
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大家全部靠在這邊啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
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就照著問題回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
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中聯的人你們在討論下架標準的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
275.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
他在不在現場有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
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在不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
容我說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
我從頭到尾都有在討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
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那從頭到尾都在嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
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所以時中聯說謊嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
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291.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
一個衛福部長可以在國會電臺公園說謊喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
所以時中聯要辭職 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
我猜可能他是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
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說謊辭職啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
那署長我現在問你啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
299.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
301.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
你後來講說7月4號 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
301.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
303.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
那個下架標準20%不用下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
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是您的決策嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
305.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
你有說過嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
你有說過嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
311.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
那專家因為主治黨我們都看了 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
311.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
313.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
有的專家 |
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| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
315.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
是講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
317.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
不用耍嘴皮子好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
317.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
319.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
真的受不了耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
319.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
321.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
各位網友如果你們全國的民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
323.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
如果有在看的話這就是我們的官啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
答不出問題的時候就在那邊耍嘴皮子 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
327.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
我在講很嚴肅的 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
327.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
食安問題你在跟我幹嘛跟我抬槓喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
331.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
誰教你的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
331.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
333.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
卓榮泰教你的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
333.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
335.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
是卓榮泰教你的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
335.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
我在跟你討論食安問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
337.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
在跟我抬槓 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
341.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
有兩個專家啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
一個G專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
345.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
他講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
345.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
347.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
就定20% |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
347.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
349.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
就會定於容許值對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
351.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
還有一個另外一個E專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
353.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
講說如果只考慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
比例而沒有考慮到 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
357.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
劑量的話因為他舉了一個膠囊的例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
359.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
跟一個面的例子 |
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359.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
361.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
你使用不同的劑量 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
363.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
他所使用到的粉填皮就會不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
365.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
有吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
365.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
367.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
這個會議記錄上面有這樣寫吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
367.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
369.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
有這樣子的 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
那我就很好奇啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
373.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
如果我們今天針對食安標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
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375.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
因為採取零容忍的標準 |
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375.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
377.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
這一次民進黨一直跟大家講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
379.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
食安五環食安零容忍 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
379.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
381.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
結果你召開一個食安會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
有的專家認為20%就可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
385.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
有的專家認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
387.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
這20%沒有考慮到劑量 |
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387.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
389.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
可能還是有風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
391.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
結果署長在拍板定案的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
391.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
393.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
忽略了對食安比較重視的專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
393.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
395.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
反而聽信了 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
395.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
397.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
對食安比較寬鬆的專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
397.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
399.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
我不知道為什麼署長您對於食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
401.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
是這樣子的態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
401.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
403.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
可是同學我現在給您 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
403.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
405.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
留意一步回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
405.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
407.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
這個扁平皮8.1ppp |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
407.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
409.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
按照我們的所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
409.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
411.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
暴露算起來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
411.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
413.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
Margin of Social MOE |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
413.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
415.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
大於1萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
415.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
417.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
他是可忽略的 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
417.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
419.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
更何況呢下降到20% |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
419.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
421.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
從科學上面他是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
423.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
但是安全跟安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
423.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
425.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
國人對於食品的安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
425.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
427.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
需要我更多的努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
427.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
429.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
更多的溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
429.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
431.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
所以這個過程中 |
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431.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
433.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
MOE這件事情相當複雜 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
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有機會可以上課 |
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署長我都聽過了 |
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署長所以你的意思是說 |
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食安的專報 |
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就是食安專家來各合言而至 |
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反正你心中有定見 |
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最後就是你來拍板擺這件事 |
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因為我現在問你的問題 |
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就是說那麼多食安專家 |
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在討論結果你只聽信了 |
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那些對食安標準比較寬鬆的 |
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而對食安比較嚴謹的專家 |
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你就忽略結果你講的是你自己的看法 |
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代表說你自己就有這個 |
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定見20%就是你將至剛 |
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定的那如果是這樣的話 |
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後來何必下架總統為什麼 |
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在六天後發文說該下架就下架 |
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我跟我講安全跟安心 |
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所以是總統總統 |
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沒有聽信你的專業意見是不是 |
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跟全世界的獨立的專家 |
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應該比較偏向 |
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沒關係這個我想 |
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我想這個7月4號專家會議 |
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開完之後剛剛大家也都聽到了 |
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那麼多專家表達意見 |
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組長的意思就是以自己的意見 |
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來決定20% |
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你剛剛就是用你自己的意見在講 |
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我剛剛問你說那麼多專家不同意見 |
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為什麼你採用了那個居專家意見 |
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你說沒有講一大堆你的自己的意見 |
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所以你就是自己來判斷 |
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20%應該下架 |
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謝謝組長請回 |
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那我請經濟部長 |
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希望你不要跟那個署長一樣 |
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我們就是認識討論問題 |
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那種品質一樣不會加分 |
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不會對民進黨政府加分 |
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那個部長 |
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519.68 |
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我今天早上聽了很多民黨立委 |
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用了各式各樣的比喻 |
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在比喻說台銅到底要不通報 |
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我其實也是覺得很匪夷所思 |
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有一位立委講說偽鈔要通報 |
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529.68 |
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什麼黃金存度不足就不用通報 |
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黃金存度不足是會影響到 |
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什麼食安的問題嗎 |
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還是黃金存度不足你買了之後 |
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會影響到什麼市場秩序的問題嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
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現在大家在討論這個問題 |
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為什麼在討論原料 |
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為什麼要採用高標準 |
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| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
如果驗出來本便品超標要通報 |
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就是因為大家可能會讓人家 |
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吃到肚子裡面會影響到健康 |
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所以不要再用不仁不惠的比喻 |
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那我覺得經濟部 |
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我不知道部長您這個貼文 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
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在PO出來之前你有沒有看過 |
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我們來看一下你的貼文 |
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| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
一開始的時候經濟部為了幫台銅護航 |
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| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
563.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
說再次 |
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| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
565.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
再次證實 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
要讓客人安心 |
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| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
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從原料到產品 |
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571.68 |
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台銅都是用高標準自我檢驗 |
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571.68 |
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自己的好寶寶 |
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| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
575.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
然後後來 |
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| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
577.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
在下午不到一個多小時 |
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| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
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就把它改了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
581.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
改成說再次提醒什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
583.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
要讓客人安心從原料到產品 |
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585.68 |
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台銅都是用高標準自我檢驗 |
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| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
587.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
自己的乖寶寶 |
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587.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
589.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
所以 |
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591.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
大家就開始討論了 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
593.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
好寶寶跟乖寶寶差別在哪裡 |
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| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
部長我問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
從好寶寶改到乖寶寶 |
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| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
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是為了什麼 |
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| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
然後好寶寶是什麼意思 |
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就這個個案上面 |
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| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
報告委員 |
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607.68 |
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因為我們知道就是說 |
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台銅公司是依法行政 |
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| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
611.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
按照相關的規定管理 |
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611.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
613.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
他們有SOP |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
613.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
615.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
為什麼要把好寶寶改成乖寶寶差別在哪 |
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就是主管機關的要求 |
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他們通通有達到 |
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很好還是乖 |
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那為什麼不好 |
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他也很好也很乖 |
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那為什麼 |
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| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
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好寶寶要改成乖寶寶 |
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629.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
631.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
你應該改成好寶寶跟乖寶寶 |
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| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
633.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
然後乖寶寶 |
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633.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
635.68 |
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你的意思是說主管機關 |
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有要求他有做到所以很乖 |
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但是不夠好是因為他不夠主動 |
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我們下次就再把它改成 |
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641.68 |
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好加乖好了 |
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645.68 |
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那你這次改的意思是什麼 |
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645.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
647.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
我們想要了解一下經濟部 |
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647.68 |
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我們都做了一個 |
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651.68 |
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官就是我們行政院 |
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下面這麼大部會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
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每一個治當國人都想要知道 |
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655.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
657.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
當你用詞譴制你的意思是什麼 |
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657.68 |
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好改成乖是為什麼 |
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661.68 |
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乖你剛剛講了乖是說 |
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661.68 |
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主管機關的要求都有做到 |
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| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
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那好咧而且你把好改成乖 |
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沒有那麼好但是有點乖 |
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是這個意思嗎 |
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重點還是在 |
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因為你們的貼文 |
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就是你們的立場 |
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今天如果不是經濟 |
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他粉專不是經濟部 |
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他是經濟部之友 |
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或者是經濟部的什麼 |
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我們就沒有人會拿來討論 |
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經濟部其實就是你講的啦 |
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因為你是部長啦經濟部就是你講 |
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像總統臉書大家就認為是總統講的嘛 |
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不會認為是總統小編講的嘛 |
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所以我真的不知道 |
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扯這個到底是要幹嘛 |
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後面那個我覺得更荒謬了 |
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這個部長你也看一下 |
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一開始的時候講說 |
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但是通報義務不要違憲上綱 |
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如果餐廳去菜市場買菜 |
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要求採購人員把看到所有的爛菜都要通報 |
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這是檢舉達人做的事 |
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不是食品業者的業務 |
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就是說如果看到爛菜 |
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要去檢舉是檢舉達人喔 |
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不是食品業者然後後來又把 |
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檢舉達人這幾個字改掉了 |
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但是還是一樣 |
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就是說食品業者餐廳去買菜 |
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如果看到爛菜是不用通報的 |
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那你們是不是一開始覺得 |
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把檢舉達人來比喻不倫不類是不是 |
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後來就把它改掉是不是 |
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八委員剛剛是用比喻的方法 |
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希望讓簡單的讓 |
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一般民眾可以了解 |
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對啊 |
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那你幹嘛改 |
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但是這個如果 |
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最終還是要回歸到這個 |
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法律跟法條上的這個解釋 |
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所以你也覺得不妥嘛 |
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那你後來講的這個什麼爛菜 |
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我也覺得不妥啦為什麼 |
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因為爛菜吃了 |
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不會 |
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有我們講的什麼生癌症的問題 |
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那我舉這個例子就是說 |
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我覺得大家不要再用不倫不類的比喻在那邊講了 |
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今天之前食安法 |
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它 |
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其實很重要就是要求 |
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業者自主管理為什麼呢 |
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因為每一天那麼多食品 |
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生產那麼多的油生產那麼多的食品 |
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如果你要地方政府全部都 |
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普查的方式來防止 |
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有癌症的東西出來 |
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不可能的事情 |
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所以用抽查但是主要是靠業者 |
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自主管理沒有以前精神 |
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是這樣嘛因為你不可能全部都是 |
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抽查不然就變普查了嘛 |
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那還有一個重點就是要靠上中 |
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下游的相互簽字 |
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譬如說下游的買到上游 |
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東西一驗發現說有問題 |
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馬上通報互相簽字 |
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那台中這個問題為什麼大家 |
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認為說他沒有通報是一個 |
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很大的問題我更不得因為你們都完全不了解 |
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大家在講什麼 |
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問題就是其實他就是上中下游 |
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的一環嘛他今天 |
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有買到不管是脫膠原油 |
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或什麼最後不是食品的東西 |
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那你驗出來本品比超標 |
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實際上通如果有通報的話 |
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大家就多一層安心 |
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而且剛剛我聽到其他委員 |
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833.68 |
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在質詢台湯的時候確實 |
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835.68 |
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證明了一件事情就是以前 |
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買的脫膠原油都沒有 |
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本品比超標但這次 |
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買的就有超標 |
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超標的好像七倍還八倍非常 |
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高就已經很不尋常了 |
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847.68 |
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然後事實也證明這一次 |
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確實中聯所生產出來的那些 |
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不管是精油也好食品也好 |
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都有一些就有本品比超標 |
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可能是原料的問題所以你有沒有發現 |
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如果這一次台湯 |
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859.68 |
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五月中的時候有通報的話 |
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實際上大家很可能 |
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就根據這個線索去查到了 |
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中聯其他的油可能 |
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有問題就可以讓大家少吃 |
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很多天的本品比啊 |
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所以這個問題重點在這裡嘛 |
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結果我每次我看到 |
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很多委員都在質詢部長 |
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或是外服部都在玩文字遊戲 |
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都在那邊講說這個到底是 |
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原料這不是食品的原料 |
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原料是大豆 |
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885.68 |
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他是脫膠原油全部都在講 |
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文字遊戲那你有把人民 |
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的健康放在心裡嗎 |
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如果你多做一點事情 |
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人民就少吃非常 |
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多天的本品比耶 |
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所以你們到現在還是一直 |
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897.68 |
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899.68 |
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我都不覺得說我們要做更好 |
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都還在啊我覺得大家真的 |
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我覺得大家真的會看不下去 |
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然後更不要說 |
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| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
907.68 |
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台湯是國營事業 |
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907.68 |
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909.68 |
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國營政府是一體的耶 |
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部長請你回應一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
八位委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
915.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
台湯查到311油桶 |
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| transcript.whisperx[444].end |
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基本上已經 |
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| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
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簽封起來現在還在中聯 |
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那是誰 |
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| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
923.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
那一批基本上是後話 |
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| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
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那如果中聯把它賣出去了 |
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賣出去的話中聯就 |
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| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
929.68 |
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很大的問題 |
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所以他沒有賣出 |
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你現在是用結果論 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].start |
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你說因為他沒賣所以沒差 |
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| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
但是如果中聯把它賣你剛剛就說有問題 |
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| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
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所以台湯 |
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| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
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就是應該通報 |
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| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
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不管他有沒有賣 |
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| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
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因為他有可能會賣 |
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| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
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所以台湯就是應該通報 |
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| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
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因為上中下游 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
就是要互相簽字 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
953.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
因為中聯他 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
被認為他有超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
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就是有比較高的情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
他有幾種方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
第一個他可以不要用使用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
963.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
第二個他經驗過程可以多幾道 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
965.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
那成本差很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
967.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
所以為什麼台湯公司不願意接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
因為他 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
971.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
這樣的一個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
973.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
他在經驗過程當中要花很多很多的成本進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
975.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
977.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
這個我都知道這個不能放我 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
我覺得不要讓他回去你回答別人都這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
981.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
但我覺得關鍵是你有沒有發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
他台湯 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
以前都沒有買過 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
987.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
等評比超標這麼高的有 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
剛剛台湯講的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
991.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
然後這一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
993.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
他買到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
995.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
他退回去不關我的事了反正我不用就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
997.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
據收 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].start |
997.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
999.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
他據收 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].start |
999.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
1001.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
這就不關我的事了反正我沒用就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].start |
1001.68 |
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1003.68 |
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可是你有沒有發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
1005.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].text |
實際上整批不是只有這一桶 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[489].end |
1007.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
整批 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
1009.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
整批的中聯有一大堆出問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].start |
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所以如果台湯 |
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| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
1013.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
如果台湯五月多就有通報的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
1015.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
實際上 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
1017.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
搞不好政府就可以去追查 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].start |
1017.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].end |
1019.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
就可以防止這麼多有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].start |
1019.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
1021.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
有流入市面讓民眾吃到 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].start |
1021.68 |
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1023.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
所以你今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].start |
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一直在講台湯好寶寶白寶寶 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].start |
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台湯就不夠好嘛如果他更好一點的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
1029.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
他就通報 |
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| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
1031.68 |
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就可以讓大家不用吃到本便皮 |
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1033.68 |
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而不是還需要經濟部出來發這種奇怪的文 |
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所以請你們 |
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1037.68 |
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跟台湯講好不好 |
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1037.68 |
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這個這一次國營事業做個好寶寶 |
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1041.68 |
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幫助大家不要吃到本便皮 |
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一驗到原料就通報 |
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就可能就不會有這些問題了 |
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好不好謝謝部長 |
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謝謝謝謝 |
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好謝謝部長謝謝 |
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原則委員 |
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葉委員元之 |
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主席好，麻煩先請姜至剛署長。謝謝。 |
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主席 |
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請姜署長。 |
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姜署長至剛 |
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委員好。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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署長好。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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我先跟你確定一件事，因為8月7號那時候就傳出來，您跟石崇良部長已經要請辭，然後行政院的發言人說沒有辦法代為發言，所以大家包括民進黨立委都解讀成你們已經請辭了。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:39:41.120000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-08-10T11:39:47.920000+08:00 |
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昨天這個議題持續發酵，衛福部也很曖昧的回答：不予回應。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:39:48.320000+08:00 |
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不是說沒有，是不予回應。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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而行政院的回復是：沒有討論相關議題。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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感覺上好像您跟石崇良部長已經請辭。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:39:58.320000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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我跟你確認一下，您請辭了嗎？ |
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姜署長至剛 |
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2026-08-10T11:40:01.046667+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-08-10T11:40:02.713333+08:00 |
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報告委員，我現在還在這邊上班。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:40:02.880000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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你在這邊上班跟你請辭是兩件事情，不要耍嘴皮子。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:40:05.970909+08:00 |
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你請辭了嗎？ |
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1 |
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姜署長至剛 |
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2026-08-10T11:40:06.880000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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上班就是持續把還沒有做完的事情…… |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:40:08.880000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
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那有沒有請辭嘛，你請辭，有可能還沒批，或者是你請辭，可能被慰留一個禮拜。 |
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0.871 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:40:14.880000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-08-10T11:40:16.746667+08:00 |
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你有沒有遞出請辭這個動作，有沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-08-10T11:40:16.880000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-08-10T11:40:20.657778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
我想委員心裡面的答案跟我的答案是一樣的。 |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-08-10T11:40:20.880000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-08-10T11:40:22.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
我沒有答案。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-08-10T11:40:22.880000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-08-10T11:40:24.594286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
那我也沒有答案。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-08-10T11:40:24.594286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-08-10T11:40:25.594286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
所以你有沒有動作？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-08-10T11:40:25.308571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-08-10T11:40:26.737143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
不要浪費我的時間，好不好！ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-08-10T11:40:26.880000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-08-10T11:40:28.698182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
你有沒有請辭那麼難回答喔？ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-08-10T11:40:29.440000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-08-10T11:40:31.315000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
你今天請辭也代表是一個負責的表現嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-08-10T11:40:31.440000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-08-10T11:40:37.306667+08:00 |
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我這邊跟委員做進一步說明，我來食藥署有三件重要的事情：第一個，堅持我對於食安的科學治理；第二個…… |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.907 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-08-10T11:40:39.154286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-08-10T11:40:45.240000+08:00 |
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署長，這個是你上任的時候要講的，我現在問你請辭，就這麼簡單，你答不出來！ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-08-10T11:40:45.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-08-10T11:40:46.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
你有沒有請辭？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-08-10T11:40:45.440000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-08-10T11:40:54.868571+08:00 |
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我覺得很重要的事情是，我們所有食藥署同仁的尊嚴跟努力，我必須要堅持下去，所以我的堅持還持續在堅持。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.689 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-08-10T11:40:55.440000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-08-10T11:41:03.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
好啦，署長，我看你回答的這麼困難，我想應該是請辭了，因為我剛剛前面有鋪陳，然後你剛剛意思是說答案跟我一樣，我想你應該請辭，可能不方便…… |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.61 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-08-10T11:41:03.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-08-10T11:41:04.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
你可能答錯了。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-08-10T11:41:04+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-08-10T11:41:07.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
那你就是沒請辭，一樣，所以就沒有請辭。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-08-10T11:41:08.153846+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-08-10T11:41:09.846154+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
你沒有請辭，我就不懂為什麼行政院…… |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-08-10T11:41:10+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-08-10T11:41:13.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
謝謝委員可以住在我心裡面，知道我心裡的想法。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-08-10T11:41:14+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-08-10T11:41:19.750000+08:00 |
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沒有，因為我說你請辭，你說我答錯，那不就沒請辭嘛，這就是有跟沒有嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.897 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-08-10T11:41:20+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-08-10T11:41:25.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
我覺得大家的中文不用弄到那麼複雜，我說你沒請辭，你說我答錯…… |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-08-10T11:41:26.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-08-10T11:41:32.274286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
其實不需要這麼關心我的去留，最需要關心的是，中聯為什麼現在沒有被強力譴責？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.647 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-08-10T11:41:32.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-08-10T11:41:34.378182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
我這邊邀請全民一起來譴責中聯。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-08-10T11:41:34.378182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-08-10T11:41:35.671111+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
我們來譴責中聯，大家一起譴責中聯。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.2 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-08-10T11:41:35.671111+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-08-10T11:41:36.337778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
對，譴責中聯。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-08-10T11:41:36.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-08-10T11:41:38.378182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
那請問一下你要不要請辭？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-08-10T11:41:38.378182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-08-10T11:41:39.378182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
譴責中聯！ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-08-10T11:41:38.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-08-10T11:41:42.337778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
不要每一次答不出問題的時候就顧左右而言他，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-08-10T11:41:42.337778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-08-10T11:41:43.337778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
沒有，我們只對…… |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-08-10T11:41:42.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-08-10T11:41:49.360000+08:00 |
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真受不了這些官員每次來這邊都在耍嘴皮子，真是受不了，不然就是說謊。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-08-10T11:41:49.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-08-10T11:42:02.620000+08:00 |
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我現在問你，請問上上個禮拜，我在衛環委員會問石崇良部長，我問他說：7月3號討論食品下架會議的時候，中聯的人有沒有從頭到尾待在那邊？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.982 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-08-10T11:42:03.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-08-10T11:42:07.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
他說沒有，因為他報告完復工的程序之後就離開了。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-08-10T11:42:09.120000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-08-10T11:42:22.834286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
我問他立刻回答喔，遲疑不到0.0001秒，我當下就相信了，以為中聯的人報告完復工程序就離開，結果沒有想到上個禮拜，其他委員問你的時候，你在現場嘛，7月3號食安會議你在現場，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.865 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-08-10T11:42:23.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-08-10T11:42:29.394286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
不是7月3號，7月3號是在臺中開的，7月3號臺中開他們的…… |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-08-10T11:42:29.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-08-10T11:42:31.280000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
7月4號，我說7月4號啦！對！有、有。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-08-10T11:42:31.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-08-10T11:42:35.555000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
拜託主席，可不可以請官員不要在那邊痞子樣，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-08-10T11:42:35.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-08-10T11:42:47.013333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
我們現在討論是攸關食安的重要議題，連衛福部的食藥署長都在那邊耍痞子，國人都在看，你遇到回答不出來的問題，就只能用耍痞子的方式迴避，這就是官啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.831 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-08-10T11:42:47.013333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-08-10T11:42:48.013333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
7月4號你在不在現場？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-08-10T11:42:47.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-08-10T11:42:49.346667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
7月4號我在現場。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-08-10T11:42:51.013333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-08-10T11:42:56.086154+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
你在嘛，請問一下中聯的人有報告完復工程序就離開嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-08-10T11:42:56.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-08-10T11:42:57.573333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
跟委員報告…… |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-08-10T11:42:58.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-08-10T11:43:02.017778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
他有沒有聽到你們在討論食品下架標準，有沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-08-10T11:43:02.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-08-10T11:43:05.555000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
我們把整體所有內容都已經公開給全國民眾知道了。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.773 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-08-10T11:43:05.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-08-10T11:43:09.394286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
不是，我問你問題，你回答就好，不要跟我扯別的。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-08-10T11:43:09.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-08-10T11:43:13.180000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
中聯的人是不是在現場就直接聽到你們在討論下架標準，有沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-08-10T11:43:13.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-08-10T11:43:15.430000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
我想我們的討論，跟他在不在現場沒有關係。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.444 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-08-10T11:43:15.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-08-10T11:43:17.346667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
有沒有在現場？ |
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1 |
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姜署長至剛 |
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2026-08-10T11:43:17.680000+08:00 |
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我們持續在討論相關重要的議題，根據歐盟的標準跟韓國的標準持續做相關的討論。 |
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0.314 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:43:21.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:43:23.430000+08:00 |
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不要扯別的，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-08-10T11:43:24.880000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:43:33.235556+08:00 |
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報告主席，你可不可以約束一下這個官員，我問他的問題，他一直扯別的，這樣子你給我20分鐘都不夠，大家全部耗在這邊。 |
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0.979 |
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主席 |
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2026-08-10T11:43:33.235556+08:00 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-08-10T11:43:34.235556+08:00 |
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據實回答，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-08-10T11:43:34.235556+08:00 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-08-10T11:43:35.235556+08:00 |
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對，我都據實…… |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-08-10T11:43:33.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:43:38.791111+08:00 |
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就照著問題回答，你們在討論下架標準的時候，中聯的人在不在現場？ |
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0.857 |
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葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-08-10T11:43:39.013333+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-08-10T11:43:39.457778+08:00 |
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有沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-08-10T11:43:39.680000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-08-10T11:43:41.013333+08:00 |
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你回答在或不在！ |
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0.429 |
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姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-08-10T11:43:41.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:43:45.480000+08:00 |
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容我說明一下，我們從頭到尾都有在討論。 |
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0.824 |
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葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-08-10T11:43:45.930000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-08-10T11:43:47.430000+08:00 |
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他從頭到尾都在嘛！ |
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0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-08-10T11:43:47.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:43:53.457778+08:00 |
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所以石崇良說謊嘛，一個衛福部長可以在國會殿堂公然說謊喔？ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.769 |
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姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-08-10T11:43:53.457778+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-08-10T11:43:54.457778+08:00 |
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我想部長是看了會議的資料而產生誤解。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-08-10T11:43:53.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:43:59.280000+08:00 |
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所以石崇良要請辭，我猜可能他是因為說謊辭職啦！ |
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0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-08-10T11:43:59.902222+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:44:08.880000+08:00 |
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署長，我現在問你，你後來說7月4號下架標準，20％不用下架是您的決策嘛，你有說過吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.909 |
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姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-08-10T11:44:08.880000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-08-10T11:44:09.880000+08:00 |
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我想這是整個專家會議討論的結論。 |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0 |
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葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-08-10T11:44:09.680000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-08-10T11:44:11.280000+08:00 |
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你有說過嘛，好啦！ |
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0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-08-10T11:44:12.141538+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-08-10T11:44:13.526154+08:00 |
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因為逐字稿我們也都看了。謝謝！ |
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0.538 |
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葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-08-10T11:44:13.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-08-10T11:44:16.346667+08:00 |
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有的專家是講…… |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-08-10T11:44:16.346667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-08-10T11:44:17.680000+08:00 |
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因為我們都蠻認真在上面的…… |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-08-10T11:44:17.680000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-08-10T11:44:19.457778+08:00 |
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不用耍嘴皮子，好不好！ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-08-10T11:44:19.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-08-10T11:44:21.346667+08:00 |
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真的受不了耶！ |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-08-10T11:44:21.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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2026-08-10T11:44:31.546667+08:00 |
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各位網友、全國民眾，如果你們有在看的話，這就是我們的官，答不出問題的時候就在那邊耍嘴皮子，我在講很嚴肅的食安問題，你在跟我幹嘛，跟我抬槓喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-08-10T11:44:31.680000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-08-10T11:44:32.880000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
誰教你的？ |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-08-10T11:44:35.930000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-08-10T11:44:37.430000+08:00 |
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卓榮泰教你的嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-08-10T11:44:37.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-08-10T11:44:41.280000+08:00 |
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我在跟你討論食安問題，你在跟我抬槓。 |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-08-10T11:44:47.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:44:51.480000+08:00 |
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就定20％，就會低於容許值，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-08-10T11:44:52.407273+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:45:06.680000+08:00 |
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另外E專家說：如果只考慮比例而沒有考慮到劑量的話……因為他還舉了膠囊的例子跟麵的例子，你會用不同的劑量，所使用到的苯駢芘就會不一樣，有吧？ |
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0.903 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-08-10T11:45:07.987692+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-08-10T11:45:09.526154+08:00 |
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會議紀錄有這樣寫吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-08-10T11:45:09.680000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-08-10T11:45:11.280000+08:00 |
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有這樣子的…… |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-08-10T11:45:11.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:45:43.394286+08:00 |
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有這樣子，那我就很好奇，如果我們今天針對食安標準應該採取零容忍的標準，這也是民進黨一直跟大家講的，食安五環、食安零容忍，結果當你召開一個食安會議，有的專家認為20％就可以；有的專家認為這20％沒有考慮到劑量，可能還是有風險，結果署長在拍板定案的時候，忽略了對食安比較重視的專家，反而聽信了對食安比較寬鬆的專家，我不知道為什麼署長對於食安是這樣子的態度？ |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.93 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-08-10T11:45:43.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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2026-08-10T11:45:47.346667+08:00 |
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可否容許我現在給您進一步回答？可以。 |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-08-10T11:45:48.791111+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:46:11.280000+08:00 |
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苯駢芘為8.1 ppb，按照所謂的暴露限值（margin of exposure，MOE）算起來大於一萬，它是可忽略的，更何況下降到20％，從科學上面是這樣，但是為了安全跟安心，我了解國人對於食品的安心需要我更多的努力、更多的溝通。對嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0.72 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-08-10T11:46:11.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:46:17.394286+08:00 |
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所以這個過程中，MOE這件事情相當複雜，有機會可以上課，我可以跟大家說明。 |
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0.758 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-08-10T11:46:18.251429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
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2026-08-10T11:46:19.108571+08:00 |
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這個我都聽過啦。 |
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0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-08-10T11:46:19.108571+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-08-10T11:46:20.108571+08:00 |
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所以它是可忽略的。 |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-08-10T11:46:19.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:46:27.430000+08:00 |
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署長，所以你的意思是，食安專報就是食安專家盍各言爾志，反正你心中有定見，大家演一場戲嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0.744 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-08-10T11:46:27.430000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-08-10T11:46:28.430000+08:00 |
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不是、不是。 |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-08-10T11:46:27.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
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2026-08-10T11:46:28.846667+08:00 |
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最後就是你來拍板20％嘛。不是！ |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-08-10T11:46:28.846667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-08-10T11:46:30.080000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
我沒有定見！ |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-08-10T11:46:30.080000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:46:45.880000+08:00 |
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我現在問你的問題是，那麼多食安專家在討論，你只聽信那些對食安標準比較寬鬆的，而你對食安比較嚴謹的專家就忽略，結果你講的是你自己的看法，代表你自己就有這個定見，20％就是你姜至剛定的嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-08-10T11:46:46.280000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-08-10T11:46:48.589091+08:00 |
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如果是這樣的話，後來何必下架咧？ |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-08-10T11:46:48.770909+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-08-10T11:46:51.526154+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
總統為什麼在6天後發文說該下架就下架？ |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-08-10T11:46:51.902222+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-08-10T11:46:53.457778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
跟我講安全跟安心…… |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-08-10T11:46:53.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-08-10T11:46:53.965714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
所以呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
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所以是總統沒有聽信你的專業意見，是不是？ |
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0.889 |
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姜署長至剛 |
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2026-08-10T11:46:57.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:47:01.346667+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，全世界毒理的專家應該比較偏向MOE大於1萬就忽略的。 |
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0.448 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:47:01.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:47:12.680000+08:00 |
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沒關係，我想7月4號專家會議開完之後，剛剛大家也都聽到了，那麼多專家表達意見，署長的意思就是以自己的意見決定20％。 |
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姜署長至剛 |
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2026-08-10T11:47:12.680000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-08-10T11:47:13.680000+08:00 |
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我沒有，我不敢以我的意見。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:47:13.680000+08:00 |
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有，你剛剛就是用你自己的意見在講啊！ |
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0.875 |
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姜署長至剛 |
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2026-08-10T11:47:15.537143+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-08-10T11:47:16.537143+08:00 |
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我們是共同的意見。 |
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| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:47:15.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:47:19.537143+08:00 |
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我剛剛問你那麼多專家有不同的意見，為什麼你採用了G專家的意見？ |
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0.862 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:47:19.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:47:21.546667+08:00 |
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你說沒有，然後講一大堆你自己的意見啊！ |
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0.824 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:47:21.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:47:25.280000+08:00 |
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所以你就是自己判斷20％應該下架。 |
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0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:47:25.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:47:27.346667+08:00 |
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謝謝署長，請回。謝謝。 |
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0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:47:27.965714+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:47:28.822857+08:00 |
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我現在請經濟部長。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:47:29.108571+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:47:31.513333+08:00 |
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部長，希望你不要跟署長一樣，好不好？ |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:47:31.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:47:37.480000+08:00 |
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我們就事論事討論問題，那種痞子樣不會加分，不會對民進黨政府加分啦！ |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-08-10T11:47:37.480000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-08-10T11:47:38.680000+08:00 |
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委員好。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:47:38.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:47:45.513333+08:00 |
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部長，我今天早上聽了很多民進黨立委用了各式各樣的比喻，在比喻說台糖到底要不要通報？ |
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0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:47:45.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:47:51.526154+08:00 |
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我其實也是覺得很匪夷所思，有一位立委說：偽鈔要通報、黃金純度不足就不用通報。 |
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0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:47:51.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:47:55.430000+08:00 |
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黃金純度不足是會影響到什麼食安問題嗎？ |
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0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:47:55.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:47:59.537143+08:00 |
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還是黃金純度不足，你買了之後會影響到市場秩序的問題嗎？ |
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0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:47:59.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:48:13.526154+08:00 |
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現在大家在討論為什麼原料要採用高標準，如果驗出苯駢芘超標要通報，就是因為可能會讓人家吃到肚子裡面影響到健康，所以不要再用不倫不類的比喻了。 |
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0.908 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:48:13.965714+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:48:19.526154+08:00 |
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我覺得經濟部……我不知道部長，這個貼文在po出來之前，您有沒有看過？ |
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0.897 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:48:19.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:48:35.346667+08:00 |
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我們來看一下你的貼文，一開始經濟部為了幫台糖護航說：再次證實，要讓客人安心，從原料到產品，台糖都是用高標準自我檢驗自己的「好寶寶！ |
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0.931 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:48:36.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:48:37.180000+08:00 |
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」後來呢？ |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:48:37.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:48:49.346667+08:00 |
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在下午大概不到一個多小時就把它改了，改成說：再次證實，要讓客人安心，從原料到產品，台糖都是用高標準自我檢驗自己的「乖寶寶！」。 |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:48:49.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:48:55.513333+08:00 |
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所以大家就開始討論，請問好寶寶跟乖寶寶差別在哪裡？ |
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0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[128].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:48:55.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:49:01.280000+08:00 |
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部長，我問一下，從好寶寶改成乖寶寶是為了什麼？ |
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0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[129].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:49:01.280000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-08-10T11:49:02.280000+08:00 |
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好寶寶是什麼意思？ |
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0.125 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:49:02.280000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[130].end |
2026-08-10T11:49:03.480000+08:00 |
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乖寶寶是什麼意思？ |
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0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[131].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:49:03.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:49:05.394286+08:00 |
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就這個個案上面。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[132].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-08-10T11:49:05.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:49:15.346667+08:00 |
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報告委員，我們知道台糖公司是依法行政，按照相關的規定管理，他們有SOP…… |
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0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[133].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:49:15.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:49:17.562353+08:00 |
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不是，我問你為什麼要把好寶寶改成乖寶寶，差別在哪？ |
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0.773 |
| transcript.gazette[134].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-08-10T11:49:17.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:49:21.394286+08:00 |
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就是主管機關的要求，他們通通有達到。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[135].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:49:21.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:49:23.280000+08:00 |
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所以是很好還是乖？乖。很乖？對。 |
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0.417 |
| transcript.gazette[136].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:49:23.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:49:25.346667+08:00 |
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那為什麼不好？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[137].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-08-10T11:49:25.965714+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:49:27.394286+08:00 |
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它也很好，也很乖啊！ |
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0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[138].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:49:27.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].guessed |
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2026-08-10T11:49:31.457778+08:00 |
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對，那為什麼好寶寶要改成乖寶寶？ |
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0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[139].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:49:31.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:49:33.513333+08:00 |
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你應該改成好寶寶跟乖寶寶，對不對？ |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[140].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:49:34.480000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:49:41.526154+08:00 |
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乖寶寶，你的意思是主管機關有要求他要做到，所以很乖，但是不夠好，是因為他不夠主動，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[140].quality |
0.897 |
| transcript.gazette[141].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[141].start |
2026-08-10T11:49:41.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:49:45.280000+08:00 |
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我們下次再把它改成好加乖好了。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[142].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:49:45.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:49:47.498182+08:00 |
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那你這次改的意思是什麼？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[143].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[143].start |
2026-08-10T11:49:47.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:49:59.526154+08:00 |
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我們想要了解一下經濟部作為一個官，我們行政院下面這麼大的部會，每一個字當然國人都想要知道，到底你遣辭用句的意思是什麼嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[143].quality |
0.804 |
| transcript.gazette[144].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[144].start |
2026-08-10T11:49:59.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:50:01.430000+08:00 |
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「好」改成「乖」是為什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[144].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[145].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[145].start |
2026-08-10T11:50:01.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].guessed |
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2026-08-10T11:50:05.861818+08:00 |
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「乖」你剛剛講了啦，「乖」是說主管機關的要求都有做到，那「好」呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[145].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[146].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[146].start |
2026-08-10T11:50:06.225455+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].guessed |
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2026-08-10T11:50:11.346667+08:00 |
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而且你把「好」改成「乖」，代表沒有麼「好」，但是有點「乖」，是這個意思嗎？ |
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0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[147].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[147].start |
2026-08-10T11:50:11.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[147].end |
2026-08-10T11:50:13.280000+08:00 |
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重點還是在…… |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[148].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[148].start |
2026-08-10T11:50:13.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[148].end |
2026-08-10T11:50:17.394286+08:00 |
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不是重點，因為你們的貼文就是你們的立場嘛！ |
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0.737 |
| transcript.gazette[149].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[149].start |
2026-08-10T11:50:17.680000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[149].end |
2026-08-10T11:50:27.498182+08:00 |
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今天如果粉專不是經濟部，它是經濟部之友或者是經濟部的什麼，就沒有人會拿來討論。 |
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0.972 |
| transcript.gazette[150].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:50:27.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[150].end |
2026-08-10T11:50:29.498182+08:00 |
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經濟部就等同你講的啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[150].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[151].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-08-10T11:50:29.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:50:35.513333+08:00 |
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因為你是部長，經濟部就等同你講的，像總統的臉書大家就認為是總統講的，不會認為是總統的小編講的嘛！ |
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0.886 |
| transcript.gazette[152].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[152].start |
2026-08-10T11:50:35.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[152].end |
2026-08-10T11:50:39.457778+08:00 |
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所以我真的不知道扯這個到底是要幹嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[152].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[153].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[153].start |
2026-08-10T11:50:39.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:50:47.513333+08:00 |
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後面我覺得更荒謬，部長也看一下，一開始的時候說食安議題很多人把關，但是通報義務不要無限上綱。 |
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0.738 |
| transcript.gazette[154].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[154].start |
2026-08-10T11:50:48.080000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[154].guessed |
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2026-08-10T11:50:57.457778+08:00 |
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若餐廳去菜市場買菜，要求採購人員看到所有的爛菜都要通報，這是檢舉達人做的事，不是食品業者的義務。 |
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0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[155].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[155].start |
2026-08-10T11:50:57.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:51:02.513333+08:00 |
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就是說如果看到爛菜都要檢舉是檢舉達人，不是食品業者。 |
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0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[156].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[156].start |
2026-08-10T11:51:02.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:51:11.513333+08:00 |
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然後後來又把「檢舉達人」這幾個字改掉了，但是還是一樣，說食品業者、餐廳去買菜，如果看到爛菜是不用通報的。 |
| transcript.gazette[156].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[157].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[157].start |
2026-08-10T11:51:11.861818+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:51:17.480000+08:00 |
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你們是不是一開始覺得拿「檢舉達人」比喻不倫不類，後來就把它改掉，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[157].quality |
0.968 |
| transcript.gazette[158].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[158].start |
2026-08-10T11:51:17.846667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[158].end |
2026-08-10T11:51:23.430000+08:00 |
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報告委員，剛開始當然是用比喻的方法，希望簡單的讓一般民眾可以了解啦。 |
| transcript.gazette[158].quality |
0.774 |
| transcript.gazette[159].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[159].start |
2026-08-10T11:51:25.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[159].end |
2026-08-10T11:51:27.280000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].text |
那你幹嘛改？ |
| transcript.gazette[159].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[160].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[160].start |
2026-08-10T11:51:27.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[160].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[160].end |
2026-08-10T11:51:33.498182+08:00 |
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但是最終還是要回歸法律跟法條上的解釋。 |
| transcript.gazette[160].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[161].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[161].start |
2026-08-10T11:51:33.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[161].end |
2026-08-10T11:51:38.880000+08:00 |
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所以你也覺得不妥嘛，你後來講的什麼爛菜，我也覺得不妥啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[161].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[162].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[162].start |
2026-08-10T11:51:39.080000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[162].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[162].end |
2026-08-10T11:51:39.480000+08:00 |
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為什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[162].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[163].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[163].start |
2026-08-10T11:51:39.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[163].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[163].end |
2026-08-10T11:51:45.526154+08:00 |
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因為爛菜吃了，不會有我們講的什麼生癌症的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[163].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[164].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[164].start |
2026-08-10T11:51:47.880000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[164].guessed |
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2026-08-10T11:51:51.584762+08:00 |
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我舉例子就是說，大家不要再用不倫不類的比喻在那邊講了。 |
| transcript.gazette[164].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[165].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[165].start |
2026-08-10T11:51:52.251429+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:51:59.480000+08:00 |
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之前食安法其實很重要就是要求業者自主管理，為什麼呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[165].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[166].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[166].start |
2026-08-10T11:51:59.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:52:16.108571+08:00 |
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因為每一天那麼多食品業者生產那麼多的油、生產那麼多的食品，如果你要地方政府全部都用普查的方式，防止有癌症的東西出來的話，是不可能的事情，所以用抽查，主要還是要靠業者自主管理，以前的精神是這樣嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[166].quality |
0.899 |
| transcript.gazette[167].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[167].start |
2026-08-10T11:52:16.251429+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:52:19.480000+08:00 |
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因為你不可能全部都抽查，不然就變普查了嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[167].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[168].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[168].start |
2026-08-10T11:52:19.833846+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[168].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[168].end |
2026-08-10T11:52:22.822857+08:00 |
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還有一個重點，就是要靠上、中、下游相互牽制。 |
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0.889 |
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葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[169].start |
2026-08-10T11:52:23.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[169].guessed |
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2026-08-10T11:52:28.930000+08:00 |
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譬如說，下游買到上游的東西一驗，發現有問題就馬上通報，互相牽制嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[169].quality |
0.828 |
| transcript.gazette[170].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[170].start |
2026-08-10T11:52:30.846667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[170].guessed |
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2026-08-10T11:52:34.101053+08:00 |
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為什麼大家認為台糖沒有通報是一個很大的問題？ |
| transcript.gazette[170].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[171].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[171].start |
2026-08-10T11:52:34.206316+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[171].guessed |
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2026-08-10T11:52:40.537143+08:00 |
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我跟部長講，因為你們完全都不了解大家在講什麼，問題是它就是上、中、下游的一環嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[171].quality |
0.829 |
| transcript.gazette[172].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[172].start |
2026-08-10T11:52:41.108571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[172].guessed |
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2026-08-10T11:52:51.430000+08:00 |
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它今天有買到不管是脫膠原油或什麼最後不是食品的東西，你驗出苯駢芘超標，實際上如果有通報的話，大家就多一層安心。 |
| transcript.gazette[172].quality |
0.922 |
| transcript.gazette[173].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[173].start |
2026-08-10T11:52:51.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:53:07.457778+08:00 |
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而且剛剛我聽到其他委員在質詢台糖的時候，確實證明了一件事情，就是以前買的脫膠原油都沒有苯駢芘超標，但這次買的就有超標，超標了好像七倍還八倍嘛，非常高，這就已經很不尋常了！ |
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0.897 |
| transcript.gazette[174].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[174].start |
2026-08-10T11:53:07.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[174].guessed |
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2026-08-10T11:53:16.555000+08:00 |
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然後事實也證明這一次確實中聯所生產出來的不管是精油也好、食品也好，有一些就有苯駢芘超標，可能是原料的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[174].quality |
0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[175].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[175].start |
2026-08-10T11:53:16.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[175].guessed |
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2026-08-10T11:53:24.770909+08:00 |
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所以你有沒有發現，如果這一次台糖5月中的時候有通報的話，實際上大家很可能就根據這個線索。 |
| transcript.gazette[175].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[176].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[176].start |
2026-08-10T11:53:25.134545+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[176].guessed |
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2026-08-10T11:53:31.430000+08:00 |
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查到中聯其他的油可能有問題，就可以讓大家少吃很多天的苯駢芘啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[176].quality |
0.897 |
| transcript.gazette[177].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[177].start |
2026-08-10T11:53:31.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[177].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[177].end |
2026-08-10T11:53:33.513333+08:00 |
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所以問題的重點在這裡嘛！ |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[178].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[178].start |
2026-08-10T11:53:33.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[178].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[178].end |
2026-08-10T11:53:41.880000+08:00 |
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結果我每次看到很多委員質詢部長或者是衛福部，都在玩文字遊戲，都在邊講：哎唷，這個到底是不是算原料？ |
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0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[179].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[179].start |
2026-08-10T11:53:42.080000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[179].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[179].end |
2026-08-10T11:53:46.589091+08:00 |
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這不是食品的原料，原料是大豆，它是脫膠原油。 |
| transcript.gazette[179].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[180].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[180].start |
2026-08-10T11:53:46.770909+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[180].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[180].end |
2026-08-10T11:53:51.430000+08:00 |
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全部都在講文字遊戲，你有把人民的健康放在心裡嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[180].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[181].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[181].start |
2026-08-10T11:53:51.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[181].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[181].end |
2026-08-10T11:53:56.251429+08:00 |
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如果你多做一點事情，人民就少吃非常多天的苯駢芘！ |
| transcript.gazette[181].quality |
0.864 |
| transcript.gazette[182].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[182].start |
2026-08-10T11:53:58.043636+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:54:05.513333+08:00 |
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你們到現在還是一直拗，都不覺得你們要做更好、你們要怎麼樣、怎麼樣，都還在拗，我覺得大家真的會看不下去！ |
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0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[183].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[183].start |
2026-08-10T11:54:05.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[183].guessed |
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2026-08-10T11:54:11.235556+08:00 |
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然後更不要說台糖是國營事業，國營、政府是一體的。 |
| transcript.gazette[183].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[184].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[184].start |
2026-08-10T11:54:11.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[184].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[184].end |
2026-08-10T11:54:13.430000+08:00 |
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部長簡單回應一下吧。 |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[185].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[185].start |
2026-08-10T11:54:14.680000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T11:54:24.791111+08:00 |
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報告委員，台糖查到311油桶，基本上已經鉛封起來，現在還在中聯，所以那一批基本上…… |
| transcript.gazette[185].quality |
0.788 |
| transcript.gazette[186].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[186].start |
2026-08-10T11:54:25.013333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[186].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[186].end |
2026-08-10T11:54:25.457778+08:00 |
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那個是後話嘛！ |
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0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[187].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[187].start |
2026-08-10T11:54:25.861818+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[187].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[187].end |
2026-08-10T11:54:27.498182+08:00 |
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如果中聯把它賣出去了呢？ |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[188].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[188].start |
2026-08-10T11:54:27.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[188].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[188].end |
2026-08-10T11:54:31.965714+08:00 |
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賣出去的話，中聯就有很大的問題。對啊！所以…… |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[189].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[189].start |
2026-08-10T11:54:32.251429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[189].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[189].end |
2026-08-10T11:54:33.394286+08:00 |
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他目前為止沒有賣出去。 |
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0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[190].speaker |
葉委員元之：你現在是用結果論嘛！你說 |
| transcript.gazette[190].start |
2026-08-10T11:54:36.043636+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[190].guessed |
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2026-08-10T11:54:37.498182+08:00 |
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哎呀，因為他沒賣所以沒差。 |
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葉委員元之：你現在是用結果論嘛！你說 |
| transcript.gazette[191].start |
2026-08-10T11:54:37.680000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[191].end |
2026-08-10T11:54:39.562353+08:00 |
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但是如果中聯把它賣了，你剛剛就說有問題…… |
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0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[192].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[192].start |
2026-08-10T11:54:39.562353+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[192].guessed |
1 |
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2026-08-10T11:54:40.562353+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[192].text |
不是，因為…… |
| transcript.gazette[192].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[193].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[193].start |
2026-08-10T11:54:39.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[193].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[193].end |
2026-08-10T11:54:43.346667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[193].text |
所以台糖就是應該通報嘛！ |
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0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[194].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[194].start |
2026-08-10T11:54:43.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[194].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[194].end |
2026-08-10T11:54:49.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[194].text |
不管他有沒有賣，因為他有可能會賣，所以台糖就是應該通報…… |
| transcript.gazette[194].quality |
0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[195].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[195].start |
2026-08-10T11:54:49.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[195].guessed |
1 |
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2026-08-10T11:54:50.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[195].text |
不是，因為中聯…… |
| transcript.gazette[195].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[196].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[196].start |
2026-08-10T11:54:49.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[196].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[196].end |
2026-08-10T11:54:52.822857+08:00 |
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你聽我講，因為上、中、下游就是要互相牽制。 |
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0.647 |
| transcript.gazette[197].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-08-10T11:54:52.822857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[197].guessed |
1 |
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2026-08-10T11:54:53.822857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[197].text |
是，你借我一分鐘。 |
| transcript.gazette[197].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[198].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[198].start |
2026-08-10T11:54:53.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[198].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[198].end |
2026-08-10T11:55:09.537143+08:00 |
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因為中聯被認為它有比較高的情況下，他有幾種方式：第一個，他可以不要用食用的；第二個，他精煉的過程可以多幾道，那成本差很多，所以為什麼台糖公司不願意接受？ |
| transcript.gazette[198].quality |
0.897 |
| transcript.gazette[199].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[199].start |
2026-08-10T11:55:09.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[199].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[199].end |
2026-08-10T11:55:16.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[199].text |
因為這樣的一個標準，他在精煉過程當中要花很多很多成本進去。所以…… |
| transcript.gazette[199].quality |
0.931 |
| transcript.gazette[200].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[200].start |
2026-08-10T11:55:17.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[200].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[200].end |
2026-08-10T11:55:18.513333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[200].text |
這個我都知道！ |
| transcript.gazette[200].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[201].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[201].start |
2026-08-10T11:55:20.032941+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[201].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[201].end |
2026-08-10T11:55:21.562353+08:00 |
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部長，不要再回應，你回答別人也都這樣說。 |
| transcript.gazette[201].quality |
0.647 |
| transcript.gazette[202].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[202].start |
2026-08-10T11:55:21.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[202].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[202].end |
2026-08-10T11:55:29.280000+08:00 |
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但是我覺得關鍵是，你有沒有發現台糖以前都沒有買過苯駢芘超標這麼高的油，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[202].quality |
0.722 |
| transcript.gazette[203].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[203].start |
2026-08-10T11:55:29.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[203].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[203].end |
2026-08-10T11:55:31.394286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[203].text |
剛剛台糖講的嘛，對吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[203].quality |
0.556 |
| transcript.gazette[204].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[204].start |
2026-08-10T11:55:32.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[204].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[204].end |
2026-08-10T11:55:37.562353+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[204].text |
這一次他買到了，他退回去了，覺得不關我的事了，反正我不用就好。可是…… |
| transcript.gazette[204].quality |
0.828 |
| transcript.gazette[205].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[205].start |
2026-08-10T11:55:37.562353+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[205].guessed |
1 |
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2026-08-10T11:55:39.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[205].text |
不是退回，拒收。 |
| transcript.gazette[205].quality |
0.167 |
| transcript.gazette[206].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[206].start |
2026-08-10T11:55:39.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[206].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[206].end |
2026-08-10T11:55:42.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[206].text |
他拒收，這就不關我的事啦！ |
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0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[207].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[207].start |
2026-08-10T11:55:42.746667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[207].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[207].end |
2026-08-10T11:55:43.546667+08:00 |
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反正我沒用就好啦！ |
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0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[208].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[208].start |
2026-08-10T11:55:43.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[208].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[208].end |
2026-08-10T11:55:47.513333+08:00 |
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可是你有沒有發現，實際上整批，不是只有這一桶喔！ |
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0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[209].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[209].start |
2026-08-10T11:55:47.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[209].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[209].end |
2026-08-10T11:55:51.513333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[209].text |
整批中聯的油一大堆都出問題喔！ |
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0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[210].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[210].start |
2026-08-10T11:55:51.513333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[210].guessed |
1 |
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2026-08-10T11:55:52.513333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[210].text |
所以中聯是不良企業…… |
| transcript.gazette[210].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[211].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[211].start |
2026-08-10T11:55:51.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[211].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[211].end |
2026-08-10T11:56:03.480000+08:00 |
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所以如果台糖5月多就有通報的話，搞不好就讓政府可以去追查，就可以防止這麼多有問題的油流入市面，讓民眾吃到嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[211].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[212].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[212].start |
2026-08-10T11:56:04.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[212].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[212].end |
2026-08-10T11:56:08.430000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[212].text |
你今天一直在講台糖好寶寶、乖寶寶，台糖就不夠好嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[212].quality |
0.773 |
| transcript.gazette[213].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[213].start |
2026-08-10T11:56:08.555000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[213].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[213].end |
2026-08-10T11:56:13.064615+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[213].text |
如果他更好一點的話，他就通報，就可以讓大家不用吃到苯駢芘嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[213].quality |
0.852 |
| transcript.gazette[214].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[214].start |
2026-08-10T11:56:13.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[214].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[214].end |
2026-08-10T11:56:15.568889+08:00 |
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而不是還需要經濟部出來發這種奇怪的文！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[215].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[215].start |
2026-08-10T11:56:15.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[215].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[215].end |
2026-08-10T11:56:19.394286+08:00 |
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所以請你們跟台糖講，好不好？ |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[216].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[216].start |
2026-08-10T11:56:20.394286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[216].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[216].end |
2026-08-10T11:56:28.251429+08:00 |
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自己是國營事業，做個好寶寶，幫助大家不要吃到苯駢芘，一驗到原料就通報，可能就不會有這些問題啦，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[216].quality |
0.844 |
| transcript.gazette[217].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[217].start |
2026-08-10T11:56:28.537143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[217].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[217].end |
2026-08-10T11:56:30.180000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[217].text |
謝謝部長。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[217].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[218].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[218].start |
2026-08-10T11:56:30.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[218].guessed |
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2026-08-10T11:56:35.180000+08:00 |
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謝謝部長，謝謝葉元之委員。 |
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0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[219].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[219].start |
2026-08-10T11:56:35.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[219].guessed |
1 |
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2026-08-10T11:56:42.537143+08:00 |
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登記發言的委員除不在場外，其餘均已發言完畢，詢答結束。 |
| transcript.gazette[219].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[220].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[220].start |
2026-08-10T11:56:42.837143+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-08-10T11:56:54.265714+08:00 |
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委員徐欣瑩、陳亭妃、邱議瑩、傅崐萁、陳超明、鄭正鈐、張嘉郡、賴瑞隆所提書面質詢，列入紀錄，刊登公報。 |
| transcript.gazette[220].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[221].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[221].start |
2026-08-10T11:56:54.565714+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-08-10T11:57:06.280000+08:00 |
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書面質詢和未及答復部分，請相關單位一週內以書面答復，並副知本會，委員另要求期限者，從其所定。 |
| transcript.gazette[221].quality |
0 |