| IVOD_ID |
170882 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170882 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
25 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-10T11:18:11+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-10T11:28:27+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:16 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/11f3ac9a4aee4d25e9b1a32ef4e22ffe40bd953ec8f8f09099ee4bfa2bac52e0c85f38e9dc6d1ac45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
呂玉玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:18:11 - 11:28:27 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長率台灣糖業股份有限公司董事長、法務部首長、衛生福利部首長及審計部首長就「台灣糖業股份有限公司經營治理及風險控管之檢討—中聯油脂事件、台糖售地案等重大債權追償暨審計部114年度決算審核意見改善情形」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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而換請呂玉琳委員執行 |
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謝謝主席 |
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食藥署的江署長 |
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台唐的蔡副總 |
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好 請部長署長跟陸董 |
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張委長官 |
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是一定要嚴格 |
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這是人民吃下去的東西 |
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他們的生命的健康的安全性 |
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所以我們要重演審慎 |
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來制定我們的制度跟法律跟規定 |
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這才是我們今天開這場會議 |
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最重要的精神 |
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食品安全是我們民眾最基本 |
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大家在市場裡面 |
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買回去的東西 |
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我們要求的 |
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就是要給家人吃得安心 |
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所以中年這一次 |
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75.44 |
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爆發油料毒油的問題 |
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扁平皮的或超標的問題 |
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79.36 |
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再次的重創國人 |
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81.84 |
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對食品安全的信任 |
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83.28 |
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尤其是在中年 |
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86.52 |
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作為原料油的廠商 |
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89.28 |
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他把生產的油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
89.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
91.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
分別供應給下游廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
91.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
93.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
包括泰山福壽 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
93.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
94.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
還有福茂等 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
94.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
96.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
知名的加工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
96.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
100.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
再經由餐廳到通路 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
100.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
103.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
到我們的零售業販賣給我們消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
103.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
106.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
這個油品影響是越來越大 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
106.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
108.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
被擴大了 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
108.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
110.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
隨著我們衛福部的食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
110.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
112.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
全面在清查中 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
112.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
116.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
中年四月份到六月份生產的油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
116.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
118.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
最終得到確認的 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
118.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
122.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
就有七批的油品有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
122.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
125.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
這七批的油品都不符合規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
125.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
127.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
所以食藥署也趕快的 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
127.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
129.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
要他們下架回收 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
129.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
131.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
原來大家以為這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
131.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
132.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
已經告一個段落了 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
132.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
135.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
但是在台中地檢署 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
135.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
138.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
追究整體事件的刑事責任的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
138.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
140.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
發現了 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
140.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
143.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
原來早在五月十五日的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
144.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
148.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
台糖在採購中年的製造 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
148.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
151.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
福茂供應的油品原料的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
151.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
155.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
就發生了扁平坪的超標的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
155.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
157.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
而且這一批的原油扁平坪 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
157.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
161.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
已經超標到14ppb |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
161.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
164 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
我們的規定是2ppb |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
164 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
165.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
對不對食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
165.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
166.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
所以超高這麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
166.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
169.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
當然台糖會舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
169.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
172.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
管的是管已經可以吃的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
172.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
174.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
中間製造大豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
174.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
175.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
製造壓出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
175.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
177 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
你不用再跟我講這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
177 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
179.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
我想的問題你有沒有聽懂 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
179.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
181.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
它有超標是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
181.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
183.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
當然有14,18都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
183.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
186.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
但是我們訂的規定是不是2ppb |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
186.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
188.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
我們沒有訂脫膠原油的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
188.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
190.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
你回答我對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
190.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
191.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
我們沒有訂脫膠原油的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
191.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
193.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
前面的解釋我都聽過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
193.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
194.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
我現在跟你 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
194.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
196.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
原油一條一條列給你知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
196.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
197.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
你們的錯誤在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
197.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
200.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
你們要改進要修正的法在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
200.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
203.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
所以我問你2ppb對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
203.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
205 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
2ppb是我們食品的 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
205 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
206.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
可以吃的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
206.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
207.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
脫膠原油是不能吃的 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
207.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
212.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
好所以沒有依照食品管理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
212.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
216.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
法規面的第七條第五項的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
216.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
220.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
向地方衛生主管機關來通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
220.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
223.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
所以我想請問的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
223.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
225.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
在發生有移力的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
225.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
227.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
公營單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
227.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
228.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
台糖你是公營 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
228.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
230.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
你不是民營 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
230.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
231.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
有這些問題的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
231.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
233.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
你就要橫向溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
233.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
235.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
不管是我們食藥署衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
235.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
236.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
還是經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
236.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
238.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
你都要去了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
238.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
240.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
你都要告訴他們有這種問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
240.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
242.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
因為你剛剛提到的是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
242.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
245.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
如果說有扁平皮 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
245.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
246.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
超標的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
246.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
248.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
在製造過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
248.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
249.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
他可以把它拿掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
249.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
252.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
那這個製造過程要被知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
252.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
255.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
被告知去執行去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
255.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
256.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
才能夠被拿掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
256.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
258.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
所以你沒有通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
258.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
260.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
他沒有辦法在製造過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
260.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
261.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
加了哪些程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
261.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
263.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
去把這個扁平皮的成分 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
263.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
264.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
降低再降低 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
264.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
267.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
到安全的PPP |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
267.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
268.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
268.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
270.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
所以請問一下台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
270.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
272.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
副總 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
272.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
274.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
台糖曾經發生過 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
274.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
277.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
有扁平皮的超標的問題嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
277.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
279.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
這麼久以來有發生過嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
279.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
282.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
我們只能說我們所採購的 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
282.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
283.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
都沒有是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
283.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
285.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
所採購的原料油 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
285.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
287 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
出油 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
287 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
290.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
是按照我們的超標的規範來做驗收 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
290.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
291.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
有沒有發生過 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
291.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
293.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
告訴他們發生過 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
293.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
293.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
293.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
295.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
沒有發生過 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
295.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
297.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
這是首次第一次發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
297.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
297.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
297.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
298.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
298.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
300 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
這是這麼嚴重的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
300 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
301.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
首次第一次發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
301.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
303.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
那你為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
303.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
305.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
沒有盡你的義務責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
305.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
307.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
307.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
309.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
你台糖是公營 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
309.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
310.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
你應該通報給 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
310.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
313.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
橫向的所屬相關單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
313.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
314.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
大家知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
314.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
315.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
要合作的警惕 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
315.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
316.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
應該是這麼說 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
316.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
317.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
317.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
318.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
其他的廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
318.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
320.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
如果說他也要用出油 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
320.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
322.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
去精煉成沙拉油的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
322.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
323.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
他應該在採購的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
323.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
324.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
他們要去驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
324.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
326.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
不是台南公司去幫他們驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
326.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
326.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
或者是告訴他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
326.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
328.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
沒有叫你驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
328.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
329.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
互相通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
329.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
330.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
大家注意 |
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330.52 |
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331.8 |
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有吃批貨 |
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331.8 |
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333.52 |
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大家要注意 |
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333.52 |
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335.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
這個責任沒有嗎 |
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335.04 |
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336.08 |
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我強調 |
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336.08 |
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337.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
你是公營 |
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337.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
339.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
所以這麼嚴重的情形之下 |
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339.48 |
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341.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
你沒有通報 |
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341.28 |
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342.92 |
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就是讓我們的原料 |
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342.92 |
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343.76 |
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有問題的 |
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343.76 |
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344.52 |
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不用通報 |
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344.52 |
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345.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
變成產品 |
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345.84 |
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347.36 |
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會變成產品 |
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347.36 |
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349.2 |
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原料沒有通報 |
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349.2 |
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350.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
就會變成產品 |
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350.56 |
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352.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
所以報告 |
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352.04 |
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354.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
沒有所謂的原料有問題 |
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354.84 |
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355.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
他只是說 |
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355.6 |
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357.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
他不符合台南公司採購的規範 |
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357.68 |
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358.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
沒有問題 |
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358.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
359.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
你為什麼退貨 |
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359.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
360.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
為什麼要換貨 |
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360.68 |
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362.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
他沒有符合台南公司的驗收 |
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362.6 |
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363.72 |
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對嘛 |
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363.72 |
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364.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
就是有問題 |
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364.76 |
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366.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
你才要退貨換貨 |
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366.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
368.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
那個不符合規定 |
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368.12 |
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370.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
副總你不要再狡辯了 |
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370.52 |
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372.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
你不要再狡辯了 |
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372.32 |
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374.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
所以你為什麼 |
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374.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
375.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
我剛剛告訴你 |
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375.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
377.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
你有通報的責任 |
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377.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
379.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
是依據 |
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379.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
381.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
我們經濟部 |
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381.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
384.2 |
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依據經濟部所屬事業 |
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384.2 |
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387.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
各類災害及緊急事件 |
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387.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
389.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
速報程序 |
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389.08 |
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391 |
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第三條第二款 |
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391 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
392.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
第五目的規定 |
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392.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
394.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
重大事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
394.6 |
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397.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
若是影響到事業的形象 |
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397.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
400.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
或者是影響到相關產業上 |
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400.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
402.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
上下游事業 |
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402.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
403.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
供需 |
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403.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
404.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
或者民生 |
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404.48 |
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405.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
國營事業 |
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405.56 |
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408.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
就應該向經濟部通報 |
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408.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
409.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
有沒有這個法 |
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409.8 |
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410.4 |
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公部長 |
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410.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
412.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
有沒有這個法 |
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412.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
413.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
我這邊強調 |
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413.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
414.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
國營事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
414.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
417.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
應向經濟部通報 |
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417.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
418.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
有沒有 |
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418.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
420.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
還有狡辯 |
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420.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
422.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
不是啊 |
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422.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
424.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
這是紙安法跟招訪法的規定 |
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424.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
424.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
對 |
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424.88 |
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426.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
那是產業 |
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426.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
427.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
事業 |
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427.04 |
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428.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
台長是不是個事業 |
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428.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
430.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
對 但是跟食品安全法 |
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430.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
432.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
應該就不太一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
432.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
433.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
433.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
434 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
事業 |
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434 |
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434.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
434.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
437.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
食品安全還是要回歸到食品安全 |
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437.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
437.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
公部長 |
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437.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
438.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
食品安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
438.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
440.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
你們一槍就脫了食品安全 |
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440.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
442.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
產業公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
442.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
443.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
經營製造 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
443.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
444.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
產品 |
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444.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
445.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
出來 |
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445.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
447.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
我們吃下去肚子的健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
447.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
448.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
這是一年慣的 |
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448.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
450.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
一個產業鏈的 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
450.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
451.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
統統要關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
451.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
452.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
所以 |
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452.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
455.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
在2024年的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
455.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
456.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
蘇丹紅十 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
456.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
458.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
食安事件發生的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
458.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
461.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
他們用蘇丹紅添加了 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
461.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
463 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
在辣椒粉裡面 |
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463 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
465.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
辣椒粉的色澤看起來比較好看 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
465.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
467.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
在衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
467.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
468.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
468.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
472.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
你們在2024年的3月11號的新聞 |
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472.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
474.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
這個新聞稿當中 |
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474.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
476 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
特別強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
476 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
477.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
477.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
479.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
如果發現原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
479.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
481.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
和產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
481.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
483 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
有危害 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
483 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
484.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
衛生安全之虞 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
484.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
487.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
請主動停止製造 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
487.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
490.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
加工販賣及辦理回收 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
490.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
494.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
並通報直轄市縣市的主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
494.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
495.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
白紙黑字 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
495.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
496.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
寫在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
496.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
498.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
原料有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
498.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
499.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
你們就必須要 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
499.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
501.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
將所有的主管機關 |
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501.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
503.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
所有的範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
503.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
505.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
統統都要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
505.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
506.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
這個你們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
506.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
507.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
去年 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
507.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
509.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
2024年3月11號 |
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509.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
510.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
你們新聞稿 |
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510.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
511.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
白紙黑字就寫出來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
511.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
512.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
謝謝委員的 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
512.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
513.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
513.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
514.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
謝謝委員的指導 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
514.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
515.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
515.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
516.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
蘇丹紅 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
516.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
517.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
跟扁平坯 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
517.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
518.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
都有化學結構 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
518.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
519.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
一個呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
519.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
520.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
是 |
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520.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
520.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
在 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
520.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
522.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
不得添加的 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
522.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
523.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
一個是在製程裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
523.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
525.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
本來就會有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
525.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
526.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
這兩個是不一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
526.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
527.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
527.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
528.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
528.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
529.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
剛剛不講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
529.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
531.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
一個是添加的 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
531.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
533.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
一個製造過程中可以拿掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
533.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
534 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
所以我說 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
534 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
535.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
你及早通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
535.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
537.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
如果說中年4月份發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
537.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
538.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
到6月30號 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
538.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
539.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
你及早通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
539.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
541.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
我們及早把中西 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
541.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
544 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
組合在原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
544 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
545 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
出產的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
545 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
546.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
不要跑到下游去的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
546.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
547.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
我們人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
547.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
549.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
是不會遲到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
549.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
551.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
你通報一下會怎麼樣呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
551.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
552.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
所以這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
552.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
553.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
我這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
553.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
555.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
全部這樣講下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
555.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
556.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
就是要讓你們了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
556.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
557.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
不是沒有法 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
557.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
558.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
不是沒有規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
558.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
560.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
不是沒有制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
560.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
562.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
都有讓你們知醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
562.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
563.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
是你們要不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
563.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
564.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
橫向溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
564.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
565.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
互相通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
565.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
566.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
尤其是公營 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
566.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
568.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
法規面經濟部都公 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
568.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
569.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
國營事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
569.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
571.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
就要有通報的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
571.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
572.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
572.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
573.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
573.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
574.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
你現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
574.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
575.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
我們行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
575.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
577.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
7月份也送出了 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
577.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
578.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
這個版本出來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
578.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
579.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
就針對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
579.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
581.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
我們食安的這個漏洞 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
581.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
582.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
要把補好的修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
582.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
584 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
把補好的這個漏洞 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
584 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
585.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
已經送進來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
585.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
586.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
所以我們希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
586.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
588.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
大家要好好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
588.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
591.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
把食安健康這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
591.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
592.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
好好的來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
592.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
593.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
看看怎麼樣的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
593.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
594.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
能夠保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
594.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
595.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
我們國人的健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
595.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
597 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
這才是真正的 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
597 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
598.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
不要再推責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
598.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
600.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
互相一定要把這個責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
600.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
601.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
這個整個建構好來 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
601.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
603.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
尤其是公部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
603.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
605.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
經濟部包括是產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
605.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
607.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
不要一直推給食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
607.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
609.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
大家橫向溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
609.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
610.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
把這事情做好來 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
610.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
612.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
把這個制度健全起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
612.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
613.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
613.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
614.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
謝謝 |
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呂委員玉玲 |
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2026-08-10T11:18:25.880000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-08-10T11:18:34.340000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席，請經濟部的龔部長、食藥署的姜署長、台糖的蔡副總。 |
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0.84 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-08-10T11:18:35.960000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-08-10T11:18:37.960000+08:00 |
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好，請部長、署長跟台糖。 |
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0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-08-10T11:18:37.960000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-08-10T11:18:40.680000+08:00 |
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呂委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-08-10T11:18:40.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-08-10T11:18:41.040000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
三位長官。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-08-10T11:18:41.920000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-08-10T11:18:47.790000+08:00 |
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食品安全沒有太嚴格，是一定要嚴格，也絕對不能打折扣。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-08-10T11:18:48.320000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-08-10T11:19:05.413333+08:00 |
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這是人民吃下去的東西，關乎他們生命、健康的安全性，所以我們要從嚴、審慎制定我們的制度、法律跟規定，這才是我們今天開這場會議最重要的精神！ |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.934 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-08-10T11:19:06.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-08-10T11:19:21.384000+08:00 |
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食品安全是我們民眾最基本，也是最卑微的一個請求，對於在市場或者超市裡面買回去的東西，大家要求的就是要給家人吃的安心。 |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.907 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-08-10T11:19:21.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-08-10T11:19:54.717333+08:00 |
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所以中聯這一次爆發毒油、苯駢芘超標的問題，再次重創國人對食品安全的信任，尤其是中聯作為原料油的廠商，他把生產的油品分別供應給下游廠商，包括泰山、福壽還有福懋等知名加工廠，再經由餐廳、通路到零售業販賣給消費者。 |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.937 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-08-10T11:19:54.960000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-08-10T11:20:13.236000+08:00 |
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這個油品的影響越來越大，被擴大了，隨著衛福部食藥署全面清查，中聯4月份到6月份生產的油品，最終得到確認的，就有七批油品有問題，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.914 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-08-10T11:20:13.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-08-10T11:20:20.502857+08:00 |
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這七批油品都不符合規定，所以食藥署也趕快要求他們下架、回收。 |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-08-10T11:20:20.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-08-10T11:20:52.395000+08:00 |
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原來大家以為這件事情已經告一個段落了，但是在臺中地檢署追究整起事件的刑事責任時，發現原來早在5月15日，台糖向福懋採購中聯製造、供應的油品原料時，就發生了苯駢芘超標的問題，而且這一批原油的苯駢芘已經超標到14 ppb。 |
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0.854 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-08-10T11:20:52.960000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-08-10T11:20:55.533333+08:00 |
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食藥署，我們的規定是2 ppb，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-08-10T11:20:56.977143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-08-10T11:20:59.337143+08:00 |
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超高這麼多，台糖當然會拒收。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-08-10T11:21:00.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-08-10T11:21:06.460000+08:00 |
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報告委員，我們管的是已經可以吃的油，中間的製造、大豆製造壓出來的部分沒有。 |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-08-10T11:21:06.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-08-10T11:21:10.327273+08:00 |
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你不用再跟我講這個，我講的問題你有沒有聽懂？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-08-10T11:21:10.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-08-10T11:21:12.034286+08:00 |
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它有超標，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-08-10T11:21:12.280000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-08-10T11:21:17.348571+08:00 |
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當然有14、10、8，都有，但是我們訂的規定是不是2 ppb？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
1 |
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呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-08-10T11:21:17.348571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-08-10T11:21:18.348571+08:00 |
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對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-08-10T11:21:17.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-08-10T11:21:19.430000+08:00 |
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我們沒有訂脫膠原油的部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-08-10T11:21:19.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-08-10T11:21:21.005714+08:00 |
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你回答我對不對？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-08-10T11:21:21.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-08-10T11:21:22.376667+08:00 |
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我們沒有訂這個部分。 |
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0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-08-10T11:21:22.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-08-10T11:21:34.010909+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
你前面的解釋我都聽過了，我現在一條一條列給你，讓你知道你們的錯誤在哪裡，你們要改進、要修法的地方在哪裡，所以我問你，標準是2 ppb對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.852 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-08-10T11:21:34.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-08-10T11:21:38.786667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
2 ppb是我們的食品、可以吃的油的標準，脫膠原油是不能吃的。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-08-10T11:21:38.960000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-08-10T11:21:50.813333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
好，所以它沒有依照食品安全衛生管理法第七條第五項的規定，向地方衛生主管機關通報。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.865 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-08-10T11:21:51.784000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-08-10T11:22:11.696667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
我想請問的就是，在有疑慮的時候，台糖，你是公營，不是民營，有這些問題的時候，你就要橫向溝通，不管是和食藥署、衛福部，還是經濟部，你都要去了解，你都要告訴他們有這種問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-08-10T11:22:12.264000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-08-10T11:22:38.773333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
你剛剛提到的是，如果有苯駢芘超標的部分，在製造過程可以把它拿掉，但這個問題要被知道、被告知，在製造過程中要去執行、去做，才能夠被拿掉，可是你沒有通報，所以它沒有辦法在製造過程中加入某些程序，去把苯駢芘的成分降低到安全的2 ppb，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.752 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-08-10T11:22:39.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-08-10T11:22:41.425000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
請問一下台糖。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-08-10T11:22:41.425000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-08-10T11:22:42.425000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-08-10T11:22:41.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-08-10T11:22:48.334545+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
副總，台糖曾經發生過苯駢芘超標的問題嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-08-10T11:22:48.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-08-10T11:22:50.296000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
這麼久以來有發生過嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-08-10T11:22:50.296000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-08-10T11:22:51.296000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
都沒有，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-08-10T11:22:50.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-08-10T11:23:01.322667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
我們只能說我們所採購的原料油、粗油，是按照我們招標的規範驗收。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-08-10T11:23:01.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-08-10T11:23:02.393333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
有沒有發生過？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-08-10T11:23:02.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-08-10T11:23:03.862857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
告訴我有沒有發生過。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.556 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-08-10T11:23:04.080000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-08-10T11:23:04.420000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
以前都沒有…… |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-08-10T11:23:04.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-08-10T11:23:08.920000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
好，沒有發生過，這是第一次發生，對不對？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-08-10T11:23:09.320000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-08-10T11:23:16.457778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
這麼嚴重的事情第一次發生，你為什麼沒有盡你的義務、責任？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-08-10T11:23:18.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-08-10T11:23:20.160000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
你們台糖是公營耶！ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-08-10T11:23:20.440000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-08-10T11:23:26.580000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
你應該橫向通報給相關單位，要讓大家知道、要做個警惕。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.739 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-08-10T11:23:26.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-08-10T11:23:37.771429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
應該是這麼說，其他的廠商如果也要用粗油去精煉成沙拉油，它應該在採購的時候就要去驗，不是台糖公司去幫他們驗或者是告知他們。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.893 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-08-10T11:23:37.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-08-10T11:23:45.822857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
沒有叫你驗，是要互相通報、提醒大家注意，有這批貨，沒有這個責任嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-08-10T11:23:46.040000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-08-10T11:23:56.510000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
我要強調，你是公營，在這麼嚴重的情形之下，你沒有通報，會讓有問題的原料變成產品。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-08-10T11:23:56.510000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-08-10T11:23:58.360000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
沒有所謂的原料…… |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-08-10T11:23:58.360000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-08-10T11:24:01.930000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
原料沒有通報就會變成產品，所以…… |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-08-10T11:24:02.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-08-10T11:24:08.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
跟委員報告，它沒有所謂的原料有問題啦，它只是不符合台糖公司採購的規範，我們拒收。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-08-10T11:24:08.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-08-10T11:24:10.393333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
沒有問題你為什麼退貨？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-08-10T11:24:10.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-08-10T11:24:11.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
為什麼要換貨？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-08-10T11:24:11.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-08-10T11:24:13.440000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
它沒有符合台糖公司的驗收標準。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.643 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-08-10T11:24:13.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-08-10T11:24:17.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
對嘛，就是有問題，你才要退貨、換貨啊！所以…… |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-08-10T11:24:17.908571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-08-10T11:24:18.845714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
它不符合我們的規定。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.556 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-08-10T11:24:19.120000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-08-10T11:24:21.253333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
副總，你不要再狡辯了！ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-08-10T11:24:25.120000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-08-10T11:25:00.426667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
我剛剛告訴你，你的通報責任，是依據「經濟部所屬事業各類災害及緊急事件速報程序」第三條第二款第五目的規定，重大事件若是有影響事業形象，或者是影響相關產業上、下游事業供需或民生者，國營事業就應該向經濟部通報，有沒有這個規定？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-08-10T11:25:01+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-08-10T11:25:02.733333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
龔部長，有沒有這個規定？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-08-10T11:25:03.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-08-10T11:25:09.160000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
我在這邊強調，國營事業應向經濟部通報，有沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-08-10T11:25:09.160000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-08-10T11:25:10.160000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
有，但是…… |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-08-10T11:25:09.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-08-10T11:25:10.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
你還要狡辯！ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-08-10T11:25:11.120000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-08-10T11:25:14.983333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
不是啊，這是職安法跟災防法的規定。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-08-10T11:25:15.160000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-08-10T11:25:17.580000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
對，但它是寫事業。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-08-10T11:25:17.580000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-08-10T11:25:18.580000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
不是食品安全衛生管理法…… |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-08-10T11:25:18.430000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-08-10T11:25:19.405000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
台糖是不是個事業？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-08-10T11:25:19.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-08-10T11:25:22.994286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
對，但是跟食品安全衛生管理法應該不太一樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-08-10T11:25:22.994286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-08-10T11:25:23.994286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
是不是事業？ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-08-10T11:25:23.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-08-10T11:25:25.420000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
產品、事業，所以本席在這邊強調的…… |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.429 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-08-10T11:25:25.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-08-10T11:25:27.994286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
食品安全還是要回歸食品安全衛生管理法。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.722 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-08-10T11:25:28.413333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-08-10T11:25:42.464000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
龔部長，你們就推到食品安全，產業、公司經營、製造出產品、我們吃進肚子後的健康，這是一連貫的，是一個產業鏈，通通要關心。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.78 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-08-10T11:25:43.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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2026-08-10T11:25:56.215385+08:00 |
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在2024年蘇丹紅食安事件發生的時候，他們在辣椒粉裡面添加了蘇丹紅，讓辣椒粉的色澤看起來比較好看。 |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-08-10T11:25:56.850000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-08-10T11:26:43.933333+08:00 |
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衛福部食藥署在2024年3月11號的新聞稿當中特別強調，「食品業者於發現原料或產品有危害衛生安全之虞時，應主動停止製造、加工、販賣及辦理回收，並通報直轄市、縣（市）主管機關」白紙黑字寫在這邊，原料有問題，你們就必須向所有的主管機關通報，所有的範圍通通都要通報，這個是你們2024年3月11號的新聞稿，白紙黑字都寫出來了，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.91 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-08-10T11:26:44.120000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-08-10T11:26:57.760000+08:00 |
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謝謝委員的指導，蘇丹紅跟苯駢芘的化學結構，一個是不得添加的，一個是在製程裡面本來就會有的，這兩個是不一樣的，不得添加的跟不能有的兩者不同，這個跟您做簡單的說明。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.613 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-08-10T11:26:58.133333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-08-10T11:27:04.065455+08:00 |
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不一樣，署長，一個是不得添加的，一個是製造過程中可以拿掉的。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.808 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-08-10T11:27:07.013333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-08-10T11:27:22.496000+08:00 |
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中聯4月份發生，到6月30號這段期間如果有及早通報，我們及早把東西阻隔在原料、出產的地方，不要跑到下游去的話，我們人民就不會吃到了嘛，你通報一下會怎麼樣呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.791 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-08-10T11:27:23.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-08-10T11:27:42.880000+08:00 |
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這些我全部這樣講下來就是要讓你們了解，不是沒有法、不是沒有規定、不是沒有制度，都有，有制度讓你們執行，是你們要不要橫向溝通、互相通報而已，尤其就法規面來說，是經濟部的國營事業就要有通報的責任，要維護安全。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.835 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-08-10T11:27:45.952000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-08-10T11:27:53.890000+08:00 |
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行政院7月份也已經送版本進來了，針對食安漏洞，要修法把漏洞補好。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.821 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-08-10T11:27:56.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-08-10T11:28:25.260000+08:00 |
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所以我們希望大家要好好地針對食安、健康這個問題討論，看怎麼樣的制度能夠保障我們國人的健康，這才是真正的……不要再推責任，要互相協助，一定要把這個責任扛起，把這整個建構好，尤其是龔部長，經濟部管的包括產業，不要一直推給食藥署，大家要橫向溝通，把這件事情做好，把這個制度健全起來，好不好？謝謝。 |
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0.891 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-08-10T11:28:25.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
1 |
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2026-08-10T11:28:30.331429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
謝謝呂玉玲委員，也謝謝部長、署長、台糖。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-08-10T11:28:30.631429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
1 |
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2026-08-10T11:28:33.774286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
接下來請邱慧洳委員質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-08-10T11:28:34.074286+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-08-10T11:28:38.645714+08:00 |
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邱慧洳委員質詢完之後，我們休息8分鐘。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-08-10T11:28:38.945714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-08-10T11:28:40.945714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
只剩我一個而已。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-08-10T11:28:41.245714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
1 |
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2026-08-10T11:28:42.674286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
只剩你一個？ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-08-10T11:28:42.974286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-08-10T11:28:44.688571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
對，要不要繼續？ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-08-10T11:28:44.988571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-08-10T11:28:45.988571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
好，可以。 |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-08-10T11:28:46.288571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-08-10T11:28:47.288571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0 |