| IVOD_ID |
170878 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170878 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
25 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-10T11:09:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-10T11:18:07+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:49 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/11f3ac9a4aee4d25b5cd497dc4cd409c40bd953ec8f8f09099ee4bfa2bac52e0b066f83588e7a26e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:09:18 - 11:18:07 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長率台灣糖業股份有限公司董事長、法務部首長、衛生福利部首長及審計部首長就「台灣糖業股份有限公司經營治理及風險控管之檢討—中聯油脂事件、台糖售地案等重大債權追償暨審計部114年度決算審核意見改善情形」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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臺委員陳學 |
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13 |
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17 |
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主席有請經濟部 |
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17 |
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我換台唐好了 |
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19 |
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21 |
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台唐副總 |
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23 |
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有請台唐副總 |
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23 |
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25 |
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石耀鼠江鼠長 |
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34 |
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好,今天這個謝謝我們召委安排 |
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34 |
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36 |
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那經濟部的報告裡面 |
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41 |
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中聯郵值實踐及油品食安管控 |
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特別還是提到說這個 |
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49 |
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台唐向福茂採購黃豆出遊 |
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因為這個本田筆不符切 |
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53 |
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然後你們就計收 |
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55 |
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所以你們認為 |
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57 |
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59 |
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這樣只是計收 |
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63 |
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不需要做任何的通報 |
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65 |
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跟委員報告 |
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67 |
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因為原料油 |
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71 |
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原料油它不是最終的使用油 |
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那依據現行的食安法 |
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裡頭它並沒有對原料油 |
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77 |
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80 |
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有做任何的安全標準規範 |
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80 |
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83 |
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那雖然說它的扁平皮 |
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85 |
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我們這次採購的這個 |
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88 |
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中聯所交的這個本田筆 |
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88 |
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90 |
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它是有偏高 |
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90 |
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93 |
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它是不符合台唐公司的採購規範 |
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93 |
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95 |
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我們的規範是比較嚴謹 |
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95 |
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97 |
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那它沒有符合我們的規範 |
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97 |
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99 |
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有沒有符合這個 |
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99 |
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104 |
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其他我們衛福部的相關的規範 |
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104 |
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108 |
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它不再需要通報的項目裡面 |
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108 |
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112 |
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好,你認為不需要通報 |
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113 |
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117 |
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這個就如同經濟部的報告裡面 |
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119 |
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是這樣說的 |
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119 |
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121 |
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這個認為不需要通報 |
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122 |
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126 |
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我們看台南市食品安全管理制製條例 |
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131 |
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食品業者發現上游供應之食品 |
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131 |
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136 |
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有危害消費者生命身體或健康之餘時 |
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136 |
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139 |
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因自發現時起 |
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139 |
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144 |
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48小時內主動通報本府衛生局 |
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144 |
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147 |
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請問一下那個食藥署 |
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147 |
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150 |
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除了台南市有這樣的規定之外 |
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150 |
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153 |
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其他的縣市有沒有這樣的規定 |
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153 |
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155 |
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我先跟委員報告 |
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155 |
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158 |
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台南市食品安全管理制製條例裡面 |
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158 |
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161 |
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特別提到了食品業者發現上游供應之食品 |
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161 |
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164 |
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有危害消費者生命 |
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164 |
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166 |
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那我不知道的委員 |
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166 |
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168 |
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或者是一般民眾知不知道 |
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168 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
170 |
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脫胶原型長什麼樣子 |
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170 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
173 |
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它其實又酸又臭又混濁 |
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173 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
175 |
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根本就不是實用的 |
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175 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
176 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
它不會再是實用 |
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176 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
179 |
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因為它是在黃豆炸出來 |
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179 |
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182 |
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用我們的化學炸取這裡面的 |
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182 |
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184 |
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之後呢要準備要去做精煉 |
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184 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
187 |
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所以它是一個整個製程裡面 |
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187 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
189 |
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HACCP重要一個節點 |
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189 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
190 |
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一個重要的參考 |
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190 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
192 |
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如果看到14.9 |
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192 |
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194 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
7PPP |
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194 |
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197 |
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我們要如何啟動後面的精煉的過程 |
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197 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
200 |
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達到精煉符合最後食品由 |
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200 |
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202 |
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小於2PPP的努力 |
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202 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
205 |
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這是食品科學絕對做得到的事情 |
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205 |
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208 |
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所以目前對於所謂的脫胶原油 |
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208 |
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211 |
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在這個階段台湯去取 |
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211 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
213 |
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然後去封存去驗出來的 |
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213 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
218 |
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目前並不跟我們的食安法第七條第五項裡面的 |
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我們食品裡面的油 |
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去管理上面的目的是不一樣的 |
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沒有對它做要求 |
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有這個其實可以練得下去的 |
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跟您說明一下 |
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請問一下 |
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食品安全衛生管理法第三條 |
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233 |
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食品有做定義 |
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食品是工人飲食或舉教之產品及其原料 |
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它不是原料嗎 |
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我跟委員做了一些說明 |
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不是原料 |
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我想這個整個原料 |
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我們要問一件事情 |
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大豆沙拉油的原料大豆還是出脫胶原油 |
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一定是大豆 |
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原料在大豆 |
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它不會是在脫胶原油 |
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在製成過程中 |
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265 |
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267 |
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有一個我繼續要努力 |
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267 |
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272 |
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讓它達到2PPP的一個油品上面說它是原料 |
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這個是不符合在管理上面的邏輯 |
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以及我們食安法第七條第五項裡面 |
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所謂的脫胶原油不符合這樣通報的義務 |
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它其實是完全不可供食品的 |
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287 |
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按照你的說辭的話 |
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那不就代表台糖不應該聚收嗎 |
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它應該要聚收 |
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294 |
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295 |
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為什麼他們是 |
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295 |
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我就了解不應該替他們代答 |
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他們是因為合約說要2PPP的 |
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那如果人家供油給你可以2PPP |
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他就收不要就不要收 |
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307 |
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但是這點是4.7PPP要好好來 |
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307 |
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所以你認為台糖的這個 |
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他們的自我的要求太嚴格了是不是 |
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是不是你認為他們的要求 |
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自我要求這麼高 |
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是不是你們認為太嚴格了 |
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跟委員報告 |
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這很嚴重啊 |
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329 |
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當初他聚收 |
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330 |
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對不對 |
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330 |
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332 |
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當然如果你們的契約 |
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333 |
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335 |
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如果你們跟中聯的契約 |
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335 |
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原來就這樣規定 |
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337 |
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338 |
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那當然是這樣規定 |
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做最嚴格的要求是對的 |
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344 |
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而到現在為止 |
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350 |
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食藥署你們還在堅持你們的意見 |
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350 |
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352 |
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毫無檢討 |
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352 |
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357 |
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你也許可以說食品衛生管理法有檢討 |
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357 |
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358 |
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需要檢討 |
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358 |
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361 |
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因為現在的規定 |
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361 |
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363 |
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我們應該參考這個 |
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363 |
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366 |
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台糖的那個高標準 |
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366 |
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369 |
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來去訂定去修正 |
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369 |
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373 |
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然後對於這個所謂的原料 |
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373 |
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377 |
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我在怎麼看這個食品的定義 |
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377 |
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379 |
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就是包含他的原料啊 |
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379 |
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381 |
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我聽你的老半天 |
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381 |
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384 |
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你剛才的說明 |
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384 |
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387 |
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也看不出什麼很專業的 |
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387 |
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390 |
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就是原料你還能做什麼解釋呢 |
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390 |
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392 |
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跟委員這邊進入報告 |
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394 |
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那對於裡面的脫膠原油 |
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394 |
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395 |
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裡面的原料 |
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395 |
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396 |
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我相信是在黃豆 |
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396 |
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397 |
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大家是毋庸置疑 |
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397 |
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399 |
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至於在中間製程中 |
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399 |
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400 |
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要不要去訂這個 |
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400 |
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402 |
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我覺得在現在的修法也提出來 |
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402 |
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404 |
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大家可以共同去討論 |
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404 |
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410 |
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那至於說如果是2.5ppb 3ppb 5ppb |
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410 |
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412 |
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到底接下來面對這些油品 |
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412 |
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413 |
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要做什麼樣子的管制 |
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413 |
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416 |
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今天之所以會安排這個 |
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416 |
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418 |
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就是大家來討論 |
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418 |
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420 |
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但是你剛才的說明 |
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420 |
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427 |
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就認為台糖標準太高 |
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427 |
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430 |
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會這樣的一個理解 |
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430 |
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432 |
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你了解嗎 |
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432 |
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434 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
報告委員這個理解 |
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434 |
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436 |
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如果各位的理解並不是這樣子 |
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436 |
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438 |
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我想他是脫膠原油 |
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438 |
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441 |
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其實是各個油品廠 |
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441 |
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444 |
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都可以把它當作很重要的一個節點 |
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444 |
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446 |
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未來也能夠去了解 |
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446 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
448 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
該如何去把它練到符合標準的 |
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448 |
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449 |
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這是我們的期待 |
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449 |
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451 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
也是我們科學管理上面支持 |
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451 |
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454 |
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但是你至於民眾說這原料上面 |
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454 |
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457 |
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15 14要怎麼去處理 |
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457 |
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458 |
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這個是未來的確是 |
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458 |
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460 |
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可以去做討論的部分 |
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460 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
461 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
謝謝委員子 |
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461 |
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462 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
所以因為今天是在 |
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462 |
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464 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
等於是在檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
464 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
468 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
安排這個會議就是在檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
468 |
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470 |
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所以你不要太堅持你 |
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470 |
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473 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
原來的想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
473 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
475 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
或是你原來對這個 |
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475 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
479 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
食品安全衛生管理法的理解 |
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479 |
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481 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
你應該主動就想 |
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481 |
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485 |
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如果當初這個現行的法律 |
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485 |
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487 |
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是這樣 |
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487 |
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489 |
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經過這一次的事件 |
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489 |
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491 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
確實有檢討的空間 |
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491 |
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493 |
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你一開始這樣講 |
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493 |
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497 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
我覺得謝謝委員的支持 |
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497 |
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499 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
委員應該也同意剛才講 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
499 |
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500 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
現行的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
500 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
502 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
應該目前是沒有這樣子的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
502 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
504 |
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我不認為現行的法律 |
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504 |
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505 |
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不能處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
505 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
507 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
但是你認為是這樣 |
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507 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
510 |
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但是你還是要去強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
510 |
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513 |
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是要去調整去修正 |
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513 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
514 |
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不夠明確 |
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514 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
516 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
也許你說不夠明確 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
516 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
517 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
但是我認為很明確 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
517 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
520 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
所以變成各有各的一個 |
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520 |
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524 |
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不同的一個意見好不好 |
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524 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
525 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
加油 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
525 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
526 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
謝謝委員 |