| IVOD_ID |
170876 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170876 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
25 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-10T10:42:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-10T10:52:53+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:20 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/11f3ac9a4aee4d253423eca251f6dcf840bd953ec8f8f090df1af9cfe84b6b7a15f464262b5c365e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王鴻薇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:42:33 - 10:52:53 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長率台灣糖業股份有限公司董事長、法務部首長、衛生福利部首長及審計部首長就「台灣糖業股份有限公司經營治理及風險控管之檢討—中聯油脂事件、台糖售地案等重大債權追償暨審計部114年度決算審核意見改善情形」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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1 |
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請進行諮詢 |
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7.9 |
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10.52 |
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好 謝謝主席 |
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10.52 |
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13.16 |
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我請 呃 狗明星部長 |
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13.28 |
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15.14 |
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還有台唐 |
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15.78 |
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17.4 |
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今天是副總 主席 |
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18.4 |
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21.2 |
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請這個副總跟部長 謝謝 |
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21.2 |
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22.2 |
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王委員好 |
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22.2 |
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24.2 |
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好 部長好 副總好 |
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24.2 |
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27.72 |
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剛才 陳昭志委員一直在追問 |
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27.72 |
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7月16日 |
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29.48 |
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32.32 |
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台唐和吳乃仁做協商 |
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32.32 |
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33.92 |
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最後破局 |
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33.92 |
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35.92 |
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剛才副總也講說 |
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35.92 |
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39.44 |
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因為吳乃仁所提出來的還款條件 |
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39.44 |
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台唐無法接受 |
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41.72 |
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45.52 |
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但是呢 副總一直不敢啟口 |
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45.52 |
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50.72 |
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到底吳乃仁提出來的是什麼樣的還款條件 |
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50.72 |
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53.72 |
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因為對你們來講 真的 |
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53.72 |
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55.72 |
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應該是難以啟口 |
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55.72 |
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57.72 |
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那我想問副總 |
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57.72 |
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61.72 |
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這件事情竟然已經鬧得沸沸揚揚 |
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61.72 |
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65.72 |
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7月16日 我所得到的訊息 |
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65.72 |
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67.72 |
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吳乃仁方面 |
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67.72 |
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71.72 |
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所提出來的還款條件是 |
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74.72 |
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77.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
每一個月 他還5萬塊 |
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77.72 |
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80.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
分期償付 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
80.72 |
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83.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
請問 是不是如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
86.72 |
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88.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
報告委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
88.72 |
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91.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
據我了解 跟這個好像不大相符 |
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91.72 |
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93.72 |
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那因為 不到5萬塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
93.72 |
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96.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
因為這個雙方協商還沒有結束 |
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96.72 |
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98.72 |
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所以在這個協商內容 |
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98.72 |
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100.72 |
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說實在的 這時候比較不方便對外來說 |
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100.72 |
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104.72 |
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是在5萬塊以上 還是5萬塊以下呢 |
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106.72 |
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109.72 |
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這個還是 你都到現在都不知道吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
109.72 |
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112.72 |
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因為我知道你們台唐去協商之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
112.72 |
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114.72 |
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律師嚇壞了 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
114.72 |
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117.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
完全沒有辦法談下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
118.72 |
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121.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
你們一直不對外說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
121.72 |
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125.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
到底吳乃仁被你們放走之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
125.72 |
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128.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
然後他所提出來的還款條件是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
128.72 |
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131.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
我在這邊聽到 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
131.72 |
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135.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
台唐內部議論紛紛 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
135.72 |
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138.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
因為吳乃仁提出來條件實在是太爛了 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
138.72 |
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141.72 |
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完全沒有任何的誠意 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
141.72 |
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145.72 |
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按照我所聽到的 每個月還5萬塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
145.72 |
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149.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
你們現在吳乃仁是欠你們1億7千萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
149.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
151.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
如果加計利息的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
151.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
153.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
按照這個還款計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
153.72 |
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156.72 |
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是不是要還300年之久 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
156.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
159.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
吳乃仁現在已經79歲了 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
159.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
162.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
他要還到379歲嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
162.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
165.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
這個當然台唐沒有辦法接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
165.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
166.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
所以破局 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
166.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
168.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
所以我現在要講的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
169.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
172.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
吳乃仁在你們管收撤銷之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
172.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
175.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
他所謂的還款計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
175.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
178.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
是這麼離譜的一個還款計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
178.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
179.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
179.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
182.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
台唐要不要重新申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
182.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
183.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
給吳乃仁管收 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
183.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
185.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
要不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
185.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
188.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
如果接下來的協商還是沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
188.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
190.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
你們還要給他協商機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
190.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
192.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
什麼時候協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
192.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
193.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
大概接下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
193.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
194.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
大概8月的下旬 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
194.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
196.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
應該會雙方會再協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
196.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
197.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
如果說協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
197.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
199.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
8月下旬什麼時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
199.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
201.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
雙方的代理人還在喬 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
201.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
203.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
你們再繼續讓他拖延 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
203.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
204.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
當然不是這個樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
204.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
207.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
如果說協商沒有合理的還款計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
207.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
210.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
當然台唐公司一定會再申請管收 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
210.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
211.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
好等一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
211.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
215.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
所以你們現在預計8月下旬 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
215.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
218.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
再給吳乃仁一次機會是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
218.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
222.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
目前是雙方的代理人 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
222.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
224.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
是喬定大概是8月的 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
224.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
225.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
你不要一直跟我講代理人 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
225.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
227.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
是欠代理人的錢嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
227.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
228.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
欠你台唐的錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
228.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
230.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
是欠台唐的錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
230.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
232.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
可是雙方的協商代理人 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
232.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
234.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
他因為雙方的時間還在喬 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
234.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
236.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
如果8月下旬 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
236.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
238.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
如果8月下旬 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
238.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
240.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
吳乃仁沒有辦法提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
240.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
242.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
台唐可以接受的還款計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
242.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
246.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
台唐就會再度向法院申請管收 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
246.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
247.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
247.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
249.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
是是是沒有確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
249.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
250.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
250.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
251.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
好來部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
251.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
254.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
我請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
254.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
260.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
當時台唐跟法院申請撤銷管收 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
260.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
262.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
請問是你受益的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
262.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
264.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
不是經濟部沒有在管這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
264.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
266.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
所以不是你指示的 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
266.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
269.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
所以是台唐的決定是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
269.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
272.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
台唐內部怎麼決定我們不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
272.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
273.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
你從來不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
273.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
275.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
也沒有事先向你報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
275.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
276.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
都不要報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
276.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
277.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
也不用 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
277.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
278.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
你覺得都不用報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
278.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
280.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
就像不用通報一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
280.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
281.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
無所謂 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
281.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
283.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
因為這個權責是他們的權責 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
283.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
286.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
台唐現在搞到1億7千萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
286.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
288.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
已經七八年收不回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
288.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
291.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
然後搞到現在全社會沸沸揚揚 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
291.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
293.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
完全違反社會觀感 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
293.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
296.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
那部長也覺得台唐做的好好 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
296.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
297.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
很棒 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
297.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
300.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
我們的想法還是一樣就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
300.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
303.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
能夠盡量能夠把債權拿回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
303.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
304.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
304.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
305.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
盡量 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
305.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
307.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
不一定能把債權拿回來的意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
307.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
309.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
好那部長我直接問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
309.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
311.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
因為你是台唐的頂頭上司 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
311.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
316.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
如果按照現在吳乃元一個月只還5萬塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
316.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
319.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
我是台唐我立刻就去申請款收了 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
321.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
323.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
這是侮辱台唐嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
323.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
324.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
是羞辱台唐嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
324.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
327.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
你們不申請款收你們就是獨子不是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
328.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
329.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
報告委員這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
329.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
332.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
若堅是欠你的錢你還不去申請款收 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
332.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
336.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
學商跟談判他有他的過程跟技巧 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
336.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
339.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
這個部分我們要尊重台康公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
340.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
342.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
你繼續尊重是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
343.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
344.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
所以你不在乎 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
344.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
345.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
不是不在乎 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
345.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
347.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
這是尊重他們的談判的過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
347.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
349.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
做的不好你還繼續尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
349.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
351.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
我們叫他們應該下台 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
351.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
352.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
因為我們沒有實際 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
352.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
354.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
又是董事長又是總經理 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
354.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
357.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
今天這麼重要的專案報告說他出國了 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
357.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
361.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
他所有一個人不在董事長也不在總經理也不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
362.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
364.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
台中的公司是沒人了是吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
364.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
366.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
你們經濟部沒有人了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
366.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
369.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
要給他一個人兼任總事長跟總經理 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
370.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
371.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
報告委員這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
371.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
373.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
請問一下來再來問 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
374.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
376.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
撤銷款收的決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
377.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
380.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
是董事會決定還是董事長決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
380.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
382.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
還是總經理決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
382.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
384.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
這個可能要我幫他回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
385.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
388.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
是跟委員報告因為當時公司是 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
389.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
392.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
授權這個我們的代理人去開庭的 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
392.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
395.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
在庭上應法官的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
395.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
398.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
庭信之後做出這個決定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
398.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
400.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
所以你們都推給代理人 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
401.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
402.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
所以台湯很好笑 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
402.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
405.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
我們納稅人好今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
405.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
407.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
託付給我們經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
407.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
408.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
託付給台湯 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
408.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
410.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
台湯現在全部都是託給代理人 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
410.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
412.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
代理人可以這麼大 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
412.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
415.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
一億七千萬由代理人來決定是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
417.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
418.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
報告委員代理人 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
418.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
420.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
到時候這個一個月只還五萬塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
420.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
423.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
代理人說OK你們就接受了 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
423.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
424.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
開庭就吞下去嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
425.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
428.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
是當時考量到當時開庭的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
428.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
430.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
所做的好那請問一下副總 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
430.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
432.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
你們現在一趟至少要設定 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
432.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
434.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
無奶人應該幾年之內 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
434.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
436.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
要還完這些欠款 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
436.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
438.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
跟委員報告這個欠款 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
438.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
440.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
其實不是無奶人一個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
440.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
442.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
是四個債務人 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
442.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
443.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
那台湯公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
443.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
446.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
無奶人一個人欠多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
446.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
448.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
這是四個人連帶 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
448.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
450.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
連帶要負責的這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
450.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
452.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
對呀無奶人要負責的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
452.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
453.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
453.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
454.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
四個債務人 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
454.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
456.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
那無奶人欠多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
456.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
458.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
你剛才都說無奶人還了750萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
458.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
460.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
無奶人還欠多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
460.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
462.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
這個債務如果說有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
462.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
464.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
你到現在都講不清楚喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
464.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
465.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
要包庇無奶人喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
465.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
467.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
包庇到這個地步喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
468.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
469.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
我現在直接說 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
469.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
473.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
照理說你們現在就應該撤銷管收 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
473.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
475.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
我告訴你你立刻把他關進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
475.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
478.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
他立刻提出一個比較好的還款計畫啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
479.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
481.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
你們現在要再給他拖一個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
481.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
485.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
拖到這個月的下半月下旬 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
485.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
491.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
如果你們再沒有去申請管收的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
491.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
493.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
你們就完全的獨職 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
493.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
495.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
這個獨職不是只有台湯獨職 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
495.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
497.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
部長你也獨職喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
497.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
499.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
因為你是主管機關啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
499.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
501.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
502.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
507.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
我們的目標還是希望債權可以收回來啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
507.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
508.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
那這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
508.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
509.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
多久之內收回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
509.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
510.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
來 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
510.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
512.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
請你有點大詞好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
512.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
515.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
談判跟協商的這個技巧 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
515.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
516.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
或是怎麼樣的決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
516.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
517.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
這個還是要當手 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
517.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
518.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
這叫談判技巧喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
518.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
519.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
對啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
519.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
521.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
這叫談判技巧喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
521.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
522.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
是啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
522.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
526.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
以後所有積欠政府稅款的 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
526.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
527.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
或者稅單的 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
527.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
529.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
或者違規的 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
529.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
531.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
都來跟政府來說來還 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
531.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
533.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
我們來談一下這個技巧 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
533.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
534.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
534.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
535.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
吳乃仁技巧特別棒 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
535.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
536.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
分層複責 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
536.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
537.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
這個意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
537.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
538.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
吳乃仁的技巧 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
538.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
539.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
談判技巧特別棒 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
539.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
540.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
他可以去開課了 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
540.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
542.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
開一堂怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
542.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
544.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
可以延長 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
544.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
546.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
可以欠錢不還 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
546.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
548.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
對政府欠錢不還的課了 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
548.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
550.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
因為他談判技巧特別好 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
550.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
553.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
部長你也說得出來喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
553.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
554.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
分層複責啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
554.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
556.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
這個還是要尊重台湯 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
556.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
557.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
557.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
558.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
558.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
560.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
這件事情台湯辦不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
560.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
562.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
部長有責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
562.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
564.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
因為你們可以決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
564.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
566.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
這個董事長總經理啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
566.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
567.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
辦的這樣無瑟瑟 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
567.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
568.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
是啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
568.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
569.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
辦到這種 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
569.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
571.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
剛剛台湯公司已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
571.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
572.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
剛剛委員報告過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
572.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
574.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
那要看8月底的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
574.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
576.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
好8月底如果沒有辦法提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
576.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
577.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
不能成下結論嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
577.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
579.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
8月底如果沒有辦法提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
579.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
581.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
這什麼結論啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
581.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
582.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
一個月還5萬啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
582.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
583.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
現在還不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
583.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
584.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
我跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
584.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
586.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
我講一個月還5萬還是高的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
586.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
587.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
我聽到可能還 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
587.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
589.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
根本還不到5萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
591.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
593.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
所以8月份 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
593.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
596.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
8月份如果沒有辦法提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
596.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
598.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
一個合理償還計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
598.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
600.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
而且你們一定要公開啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
600.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
601.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
你們一定要公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
601.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
603.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
你們憑什麼不公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
603.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
604.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
這是國營事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
604.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
606.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
不是你家的錢喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
606.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
608.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
所以一定要公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
608.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
611.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
無奶人到底他的還款計畫是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
611.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
613.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
不要再繼續的包庇無奶人 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
613.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
614.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
包庇無奶人 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
614.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
616.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
你們通通都瀆職 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
618.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
620.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
好謝謝王王委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
620.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
621.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
謝謝部長 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-08-10T10:42:41.424000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-08-10T10:42:49.705714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].text |
謝謝主席，我請龔明鑫部長，還有台糖副總。 |
| transcript.gazette[0].quality |
0.765 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-08-10T10:42:51.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-08-10T10:42:53.360000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].text |
請副總和部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-08-10T10:42:54.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-08-10T10:42:55.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
王委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-08-10T10:42:55.485714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-08-10T10:42:56.914286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
部長好、副總好。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-08-10T10:42:57.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-08-10T10:43:28.434286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
剛才陳昭姿委員一直在追問7月16日台糖和吳乃仁協商，最後破局，剛才副總也講，因為吳乃仁所提出來的還款條件，台糖無法接受，但是副總一直不敢啟口，到底吳乃仁提出來的是什麼樣的還款條件，因為對你們來講真的應該是難以啟口。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
0.948 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-08-10T10:43:29.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-08-10T10:43:56.291429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].text |
請問副總，這件事情既然已經鬧得沸沸揚揚，7月16日我所得到的訊息，吳乃仁方面所提出來的還款條件是每個月還5萬塊，分期償付，請問是不是如此？ |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.966 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
蕭副總經理基淵 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-08-10T10:43:59.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-08-10T10:44:04.489231+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
報告委員，據我了解，跟這個好像不大相符。 |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-08-10T10:44:05.577143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-08-10T10:44:06.434286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
不到5萬塊？ |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
蕭副總經理基淵 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-08-10T10:44:06.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-08-10T10:44:13.595000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
因為雙方的協商還沒有結束，所以這個協商內容說實在在這個時候比較不方便對外說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.892 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-08-10T10:44:13.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-08-10T10:44:17.412308+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
是在5萬塊以上，還是5萬塊以下呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-08-10T10:44:20.577143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-08-10T10:44:22.505714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
你不會到現在都不知道吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-08-10T10:44:23.148571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-08-10T10:44:41.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
我知道台糖去協商之後，律師嚇壞了，完全沒有辦法談下去，你們一直不對外說明，到底吳乃仁被你們放走之後，他所提出來的還款條件是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.966 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-08-10T10:44:41.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-08-10T10:44:54.386667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
我在這邊聽到台糖內部議論紛紛，因為吳乃仁提出來的條件實在是太爛了，完全沒有任何誠意。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-08-10T10:44:54.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-08-10T10:45:09.345000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
按照我所聽到的每個月還5萬塊，現在吳乃仁積欠你們1億7,000萬，如果加計利息，按照這個還款計畫，是不是要還300年之久？ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-08-10T10:45:09.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-08-10T10:45:15.220000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
吳乃仁現在已經79歲，他要還到379歲嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-08-10T10:45:16.220000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-08-10T10:45:19.470000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
當然台糖沒有辦法接受，所以破局。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-08-10T10:45:20.164444+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-08-10T10:45:36.553333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
我現在要講的是，在你們管收撤銷之後，吳乃仁所謂的還款計畫是這麼離譜的還款計畫，請問台糖要不要重新聲請對吳乃仁管收？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.868 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-08-10T10:45:36.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-08-10T10:45:38.053333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
要不要？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
蕭副總經理基淵 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-08-10T10:45:38.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-08-10T10:45:41.470000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
報告委員，如果接下來的協商還是沒有辦法…… |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-08-10T10:45:41.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-08-10T10:45:43.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
你們還要給他協商機會喔？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-08-10T10:45:43.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-08-10T10:45:45.386667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
什麼時候協商？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
蕭副總經理基淵 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-08-10T10:45:46.120000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-08-10T10:45:50.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
接下來大概8月下旬雙方會再協商，如果協商…… |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-08-10T10:45:50.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-08-10T10:45:52.434286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
8月下旬什麼時候？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
蕭副總經理基淵 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-08-10T10:45:52.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-08-10T10:45:54.497778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
雙方的代理人還在喬時間。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-08-10T10:45:54.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-08-10T10:45:56.497778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
你們再繼續讓他拖延嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
蕭副總經理基淵 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-08-10T10:45:56.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-08-10T10:46:03.505714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
當然不是這個樣子，如果協商沒有合理的還款計畫，當然台糖公司一定會再聲請管收。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.914 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-08-10T10:46:03.970000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-08-10T10:46:11.447273+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
等一下，所以你們現在預計8月下旬再給吳乃仁一次機會，是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
蕭副總經理基淵 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-08-10T10:46:11.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-08-10T10:46:17.220000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
目前雙方代理人是喬定大概8月下旬。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-08-10T10:46:17.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-08-10T10:46:20.470000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
你不要一直跟我講代理人，現在是欠代理人的錢嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-08-10T10:46:20.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-08-10T10:46:21.553333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
是欠台糖的錢吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.429 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
蕭副總經理基淵 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-08-10T10:46:21.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-08-10T10:46:27.538182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
是欠台糖的錢，可是因為雙方協商代理人的時間還在喬。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.826 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-08-10T10:46:29.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-08-10T10:46:40.220000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
好，如果8月下旬吳乃仁沒有辦法提出台糖可以接受的還款計畫，台糖就會再度向法院聲請管收，是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.854 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
蕭副總經理基淵 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-08-10T10:46:40.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-08-10T10:46:41.862857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
是這樣沒有錯。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-08-10T10:46:42.148571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-08-10T10:46:43.220000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
確不確定？確定。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-08-10T10:46:44.220000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-08-10T10:46:55.470000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
部長，當時台糖向法院聲請撤銷管收，請問是你授意的嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.739 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-08-10T10:46:55.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-08-10T10:46:57.538182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
不是，經濟部沒有在管這個。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-08-10T10:46:58.220000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-08-10T10:47:02.420000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
不是你指示的，所以是台糖的決定，是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-08-10T10:47:03.181538+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-08-10T10:47:05.489231+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
台糖內部怎麼決定，我們不知道。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-08-10T10:47:05.720000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:47:06.553333+08:00 |
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你統統不知道？對。 |
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0.571 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-08-10T10:47:06.720000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:47:08.497778+08:00 |
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也沒有事先向你報告？沒有。 |
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0.818 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-08-10T10:47:08.720000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:47:09.520000+08:00 |
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都不要報告？ |
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1 |
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龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-08-10T10:47:09.720000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:47:10.386667+08:00 |
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也不用。 |
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1 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-08-10T10:47:10.720000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:47:13.470000+08:00 |
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你覺得都不用報告，就像不用通報一樣？對。 |
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0.941 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-08-10T10:47:13.720000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:47:14.386667+08:00 |
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無所謂？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-08-10T10:47:14.720000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:47:16.553333+08:00 |
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因為這個是他們的權責。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-08-10T10:47:17.386667+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:47:30.220000+08:00 |
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台糖現在搞到1億7,000萬已經7、8年收不回來，搞到現在全社會沸沸揚揚，完全違反社會觀感，部長也覺得台糖做得好、很棒？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.872 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-08-10T10:47:30.720000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:47:38.220000+08:00 |
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不是，我們的想法還是一樣，就是儘量能夠把債權拿回來。儘量？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.84 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-08-10T10:47:38.720000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:47:40.566154+08:00 |
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不一定能把債權拿回來的意思。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-08-10T10:47:41.164444+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:47:44.538182+08:00 |
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部長，我直接問你，因為你是台糖的頂頭上司。 |
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0.889 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-08-10T10:47:44.720000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:47:56.434286+08:00 |
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如果按照現在吳乃仁一個月只還5萬塊，我是台糖就立刻去聲請管收了，這是侮辱台糖嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.778 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-08-10T10:47:56.720000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:47:57.553333+08:00 |
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是羞辱台糖嗎？ |
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0.667 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-08-10T10:47:57.720000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:48:00.532500+08:00 |
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你們不聲請管收就是瀆職，不是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-08-10T10:48:03.120000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:48:05.520000+08:00 |
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如果今天是欠你的錢，你還不去聲請管收？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.647 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-08-10T10:48:06.005714+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:48:12.489231+08:00 |
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協商和談判都有其過程和技巧，這個部分我們要尊重台糖公司。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.731 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-08-10T10:48:13.720000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:48:15.470000+08:00 |
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好，你繼續尊重，是不是？ |
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0.889 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-08-10T10:48:16.720000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:48:17.553333+08:00 |
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所以你不在乎？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-08-10T10:48:17.720000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:48:20.553333+08:00 |
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不是不在乎，這是尊重他們的談判過程。 |
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1 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-08-10T10:48:20.720000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:48:22.520000+08:00 |
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他做得不好，你還繼續尊重？ |
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0.818 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-08-10T10:48:22.720000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:48:24.497778+08:00 |
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我們覺得都應該下臺了！ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-08-10T10:48:24.720000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:48:25.595000+08:00 |
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因為我們沒有實際參與…… |
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0.8 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-08-10T10:48:25.720000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:48:37.538182+08:00 |
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又是董事長，又是總經理，今天這麼重要的專案報告，他出國了，只要他一個人不在，董事長也不在，總經理也不在，台糖公司是沒人了，是吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.927 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-08-10T10:48:37.720000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:48:39.520000+08:00 |
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你們經濟部沒有人了嗎？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-08-10T10:48:39.720000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:48:42.520000+08:00 |
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要由他一個人兼任董事長和總經理？ |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-08-10T10:48:43.720000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:48:44.220000+08:00 |
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報告委員，他已經…… |
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0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-08-10T10:48:45.970000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:48:55.434286+08:00 |
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再來，請問撤銷管收的決定是董事會決定，還是董事長決定，還是總經理決定？ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
蕭副總經理基淵 |
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2026-08-10T10:48:58.950769+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:49:11.174545+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，因為當時公司是授權我們的代理人去開庭，在法庭上應法官的庭訊之後做出這個決定。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.951 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-08-10T10:49:11.720000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:49:28.505714+08:00 |
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所以你們都推給代理人，台糖很好笑，我們納稅人託付給經濟部、託付給台糖，台糖現在全部都是託付給代理人，代理人可以這麼大，1億7,000萬由代理人來決定，是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.877 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
蕭副總經理基淵 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-08-10T10:49:30.720000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:49:31.577143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
報告委員，代理人…… |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-08-10T10:49:32.489231+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:49:37.577143+08:00 |
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一個月只還5萬塊是代理人說OK，你們就接受了，台糖就吞下去嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
蕭副總經理基淵 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-08-10T10:49:38.720000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:49:42.083636+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
這是當時考量到開庭狀況所做的決定。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-08-10T10:49:42.629091+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:49:49.434286+08:00 |
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請問副總，現在台糖至少要設定，吳乃仁應該幾年之內要還完這些欠款？ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.828 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
蕭副總經理基淵 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-08-10T10:49:49.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-08-10T10:49:55.386667+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，這個欠款其實不是吳乃仁一個人，是4個債務人。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
蕭副總經理基淵 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-08-10T10:49:56.320000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-08-10T10:49:56.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
台糖公司…… |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-08-10T10:49:57.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-08-10T10:49:59.386667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
吳乃仁一個人欠多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
蕭副總經理基淵 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-08-10T10:49:59.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-08-10T10:50:02.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
這個案子是4個人要連帶負責的。 |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-08-10T10:50:03.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-08-10T10:50:06.386667+08:00 |
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對，吳乃仁要負責的嘛，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
蕭副總經理基淵 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-08-10T10:50:06.920000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-08-10T10:50:07.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
是4個債務人。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-08-10T10:50:08.862857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-08-10T10:50:09.434286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
吳乃仁欠多少啊？ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.429 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-08-10T10:50:09.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-08-10T10:50:13.434286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
你剛才都說吳乃仁還了750萬，吳乃仁還欠多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
蕭副總經理基淵 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-08-10T10:50:13.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-08-10T10:50:15.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
這個債務如果說有一個人…… |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-08-10T10:50:15.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-08-10T10:50:18.577143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
你到現在都講不清楚喔，還要包庇吳乃仁喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-08-10T10:50:18.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-08-10T10:50:20.470000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
包庇到這個地步喔？ |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-08-10T10:50:21.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-08-10T10:50:31.532500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
我現在直接說，照理說，你們現在就應該聲請管收，我告訴你，你立刻把他關進去，他會立刻提出一個比較好的還款計畫啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-08-10T10:50:32.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-08-10T10:50:50.434286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
你們現在要再讓他拖一個月，拖到今年這個月下旬，如果你們再沒有聲請管收，你們就完全瀆職，這個瀆職不是只有台糖瀆職，部長，你也瀆職喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.828 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-08-10T10:50:50.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-08-10T10:50:54.053333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
因為你是主管機關，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-08-10T10:50:55.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-08-10T10:51:01.386667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
我們的目標還是希望債權可以收回來。這個…… |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-08-10T10:51:01.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-08-10T10:51:02.577143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
多久之內收回來？ |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-08-10T10:51:03.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-08-10T10:51:05.497778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
請你有點guts，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-08-10T10:51:05.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-08-10T10:51:10.434286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
沒有，談判跟協商技巧或是怎麼樣的決定，這個還是要當事人才有辦法…… |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.724 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-08-10T10:51:12.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-08-10T10:51:15.220000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
這叫談判技巧喔？是啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-08-10T10:51:15.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-08-10T10:51:28.595000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
以後所有積欠政府稅款、稅單或者違規規費的，都來跟政府說我們來談一下這個技巧，吳乃仁技巧特別棒？ |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.953 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-08-10T10:51:28.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-08-10T10:51:29.470000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
這個就是分層負責嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-08-10T10:51:30.220000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-08-10T10:51:43.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
所以你的意思是吳乃仁的談判技巧特別棒，他可以去開課了，開一堂怎麼樣可以延長、可以對政府欠錢不還的課了，因為他談判技巧特別好。 |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.912 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-08-10T10:51:43.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-08-10T10:51:46.386667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
部長，你也說得出來喔？ |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-08-10T10:51:46.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-08-10T10:51:49.053333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
分層負責啦，這個還是要尊重台糖。 |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-08-10T10:51:50.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-08-10T10:52:00.148571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
部長，這件事情台糖辦不好，部長有責任，因為你們可以決定董事長、總經理，這件事辦得如此「霧嗄嗄」，辦成這樣…… |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0.705 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-08-10T10:52:02.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-08-10T10:52:07.470000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
剛剛台糖公司已經跟委員報告過了，那要看8月底的狀況，現在不能先下結論嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-08-10T10:52:07.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-08-10T10:52:14.386667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
好，8月底如果沒有辦法提出……這是什麼結論啊？ |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-08-10T10:52:14.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-08-10T10:52:15.553333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
一個月還5萬啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-08-10T10:52:15.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-08-10T10:52:16.553333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
現在還不知道8月底…… |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-08-10T10:52:16.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-08-10T10:52:19.553333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
我跟你講，我說一個月還5萬還是高的啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-08-10T10:52:19.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-08-10T10:52:22.386667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
我聽到的根本還不到5萬。 |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-08-10T10:52:26.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-08-10T10:52:33.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
8月份如果沒有辦法提出一個合理的償還計畫……而且你們一定要公開啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0.966 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-08-10T10:52:34.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-08-10T10:52:36.470000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
你們憑什麼不公開？ |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-08-10T10:52:36.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2026-08-10T10:52:39.434286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
這是國營事業，不是你家的錢喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-08-10T10:52:39.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2026-08-10T10:52:44.505714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
所以一定要公開，到底吳乃仁的還款計畫是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-08-10T10:52:44.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2026-08-10T10:52:45.992727+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
不要再繼續包庇吳乃仁！ |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-08-10T10:52:46.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2026-08-10T10:52:49.434286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
包庇吳乃仁，你們通通都瀆職。 |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-08-10T10:52:52.005714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2026-08-10T10:52:54.470000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
謝謝王鴻薇委員，謝謝部長，謝謝台糖。 |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-08-10T10:52:54.970000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2026-08-10T10:52:58.398571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
接下來有請蔡易餘委員質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2026-08-10T10:52:58.698571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2026-08-10T10:53:03.270000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].text |
待會呂玉玲委員質詢完畢後，休息8分鐘。 |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
0 |