iVOD / 170876

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IVOD_ID 170876
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170876
日期 2026-08-10
會議資料.會議代碼 委員會-11-5-19-25
會議資料.會議代碼:str 第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 5
會議資料.會次 25
會議資料.種類 委員會
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會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] 經濟委員會
會議資料.標題 第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議
影片種類 Clip
開始時間 2026-08-10T10:42:33+08:00
結束時間 2026-08-10T10:52:53+08:00
影片長度 00:10:20
支援功能[0] ai-transcript
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委員名稱 王鴻薇
委員發言時間 10:42:33 - 10:52:53
會議時間 2026-08-10T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議(事由:邀請經濟部部長率台灣糖業股份有限公司董事長、法務部首長、衛生福利部首長及審計部首長就「台灣糖業股份有限公司經營治理及風險控管之檢討—中聯油脂事件、台糖售地案等重大債權追償暨審計部114年度決算審核意見改善情形」進行報告,並備質詢。)
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transcript.whisperx[1].text 好 謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[2].text 我請 呃 狗明星部長
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transcript.whisperx[3].text 還有台唐
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transcript.whisperx[4].text 今天是副總 主席
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transcript.whisperx[5].text 請這個副總跟部長 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[6].text 王委員好
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transcript.whisperx[7].text 好 部長好 副總好
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transcript.whisperx[8].text 剛才 陳昭志委員一直在追問
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transcript.whisperx[9].text 7月16日
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transcript.whisperx[10].text 台唐和吳乃仁做協商
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transcript.whisperx[11].text 最後破局
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transcript.whisperx[12].text 剛才副總也講說
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transcript.whisperx[13].text 因為吳乃仁所提出來的還款條件
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transcript.whisperx[14].text 台唐無法接受
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transcript.whisperx[15].text 但是呢 副總一直不敢啟口
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transcript.whisperx[16].text 到底吳乃仁提出來的是什麼樣的還款條件
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transcript.whisperx[17].text 因為對你們來講 真的
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transcript.whisperx[18].text 應該是難以啟口
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transcript.whisperx[19].text 那我想問副總
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transcript.whisperx[20].text 這件事情竟然已經鬧得沸沸揚揚
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transcript.whisperx[21].text 7月16日 我所得到的訊息
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transcript.whisperx[22].text 吳乃仁方面
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transcript.whisperx[23].text 所提出來的還款條件是
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transcript.whisperx[24].text 每一個月 他還5萬塊
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transcript.whisperx[25].text 分期償付
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transcript.whisperx[26].text 請問 是不是如此
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transcript.whisperx[27].text 報告委員
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transcript.whisperx[28].text 據我了解 跟這個好像不大相符
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transcript.whisperx[29].text 那因為 不到5萬塊
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transcript.whisperx[30].text 因為這個雙方協商還沒有結束
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transcript.whisperx[31].text 所以在這個協商內容
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transcript.whisperx[32].text 說實在的 這時候比較不方便對外來說
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transcript.whisperx[33].text 是在5萬塊以上 還是5萬塊以下呢
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transcript.whisperx[34].text 這個還是 你都到現在都不知道吧
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transcript.whisperx[35].text 因為我知道你們台唐去協商之後
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transcript.whisperx[36].text 律師嚇壞了
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transcript.whisperx[37].text 完全沒有辦法談下去
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transcript.whisperx[38].text 你們一直不對外說明
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transcript.whisperx[39].text 到底吳乃仁被你們放走之後
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transcript.whisperx[40].text 然後他所提出來的還款條件是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[41].text 我在這邊聽到
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transcript.whisperx[42].text 台唐內部議論紛紛
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transcript.whisperx[43].text 因為吳乃仁提出來條件實在是太爛了
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transcript.whisperx[44].text 完全沒有任何的誠意
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transcript.whisperx[45].text 按照我所聽到的 每個月還5萬塊
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transcript.whisperx[46].text 你們現在吳乃仁是欠你們1億7千萬
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transcript.whisperx[47].text 如果加計利息的話
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transcript.whisperx[48].text 按照這個還款計畫
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transcript.whisperx[49].text 是不是要還300年之久
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transcript.whisperx[50].text 吳乃仁現在已經79歲了
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transcript.whisperx[51].text 他要還到379歲嗎
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transcript.whisperx[52].text 這個當然台唐沒有辦法接受
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transcript.whisperx[53].text 所以破局
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transcript.whisperx[54].text 所以我現在要講的是
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transcript.whisperx[55].text 吳乃仁在你們管收撤銷之後
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transcript.whisperx[56].text 他所謂的還款計畫
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transcript.whisperx[57].text 是這麼離譜的一個還款計畫
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transcript.whisperx[58].text 請問一下
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transcript.whisperx[59].text 台唐要不要重新申請
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transcript.whisperx[60].text 給吳乃仁管收
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transcript.whisperx[61].text 要不要
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transcript.whisperx[62].text 如果接下來的協商還是沒有
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transcript.whisperx[63].text 你們還要給他協商機會
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transcript.whisperx[64].text 什麼時候協商
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transcript.whisperx[65].text 大概接下來
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transcript.whisperx[66].text 大概8月的下旬
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transcript.whisperx[67].text 應該會雙方會再協商
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transcript.whisperx[68].text 如果說協商
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transcript.whisperx[70].text 雙方的代理人還在喬
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transcript.whisperx[71].text 你們再繼續讓他拖延
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transcript.whisperx[72].text 當然不是這個樣子
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transcript.whisperx[73].text 如果說協商沒有合理的還款計畫
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transcript.whisperx[74].text 當然台唐公司一定會再申請管收
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transcript.whisperx[75].text 好等一下
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transcript.whisperx[76].text 所以你們現在預計8月下旬
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transcript.whisperx[77].text 再給吳乃仁一次機會是嗎
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transcript.whisperx[78].text 目前是雙方的代理人
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transcript.whisperx[81].text 是欠代理人的錢嗎
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transcript.whisperx[82].text 欠你台唐的錢
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transcript.whisperx[83].text 是欠台唐的錢
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transcript.whisperx[84].text 可是雙方的協商代理人
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transcript.whisperx[87].text 如果8月下旬
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transcript.whisperx[88].text 吳乃仁沒有辦法提出
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transcript.whisperx[89].text 台唐可以接受的還款計畫
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transcript.whisperx[90].text 台唐就會再度向法院申請管收
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transcript.whisperx[91].text 是嗎
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transcript.whisperx[92].text 是是是沒有確定
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transcript.whisperx[93].text 確定
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transcript.whisperx[94].text 好來部長
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transcript.whisperx[95].text 我請問一下
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transcript.whisperx[96].text 當時台唐跟法院申請撤銷管收
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transcript.whisperx[97].text 請問是你受益的嗎
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transcript.whisperx[98].text 不是經濟部沒有在管這個
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transcript.whisperx[99].text 所以不是你指示的
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transcript.whisperx[100].text 所以是台唐的決定是嗎
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transcript.whisperx[101].text 台唐內部怎麼決定我們不知道
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transcript.whisperx[102].text 你從來不知道
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transcript.whisperx[103].text 也沒有事先向你報告
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transcript.whisperx[104].text 都不要報告
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transcript.whisperx[105].text 也不用
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transcript.whisperx[106].text 你覺得都不用報告
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transcript.whisperx[107].text 就像不用通報一樣
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transcript.whisperx[108].text 無所謂
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transcript.whisperx[109].text 因為這個權責是他們的權責
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transcript.whisperx[110].text 台唐現在搞到1億7千萬
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transcript.whisperx[111].text 已經七八年收不回來
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transcript.whisperx[112].text 然後搞到現在全社會沸沸揚揚
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transcript.whisperx[113].text 完全違反社會觀感
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transcript.whisperx[114].text 那部長也覺得台唐做的好好
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transcript.whisperx[115].text 很棒
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transcript.whisperx[116].text 我們的想法還是一樣就是說
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transcript.whisperx[117].text 能夠盡量能夠把債權拿回來
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transcript.whisperx[118].text 這個是
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transcript.whisperx[119].text 盡量
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transcript.whisperx[120].text 不一定能把債權拿回來的意思
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transcript.whisperx[121].text 好那部長我直接問你
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transcript.whisperx[122].text 因為你是台唐的頂頭上司
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transcript.whisperx[123].text 如果按照現在吳乃元一個月只還5萬塊
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transcript.whisperx[125].text 這是侮辱台唐嗎
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transcript.whisperx[126].text 是羞辱台唐嗎
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transcript.whisperx[128].text 報告委員這個
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transcript.whisperx[129].text 若堅是欠你的錢你還不去申請款收
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transcript.whisperx[131].text 這個部分我們要尊重台康公司
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transcript.whisperx[132].text 你繼續尊重是不是
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transcript.whisperx[133].text 所以你不在乎
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transcript.whisperx[136].text 做的不好你還繼續尊重
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transcript.whisperx[138].text 因為我們沒有實際
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transcript.whisperx[139].text 又是董事長又是總經理
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transcript.whisperx[140].text 今天這麼重要的專案報告說他出國了
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transcript.whisperx[141].text 他所有一個人不在董事長也不在總經理也不在
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transcript.whisperx[142].text 台中的公司是沒人了是吧
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transcript.whisperx[143].text 你們經濟部沒有人了嗎
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transcript.whisperx[145].text 報告委員這個
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transcript.whisperx[146].text 請問一下來再來問
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transcript.whisperx[147].text 撤銷款收的決定
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transcript.whisperx[148].text 是董事會決定還是董事長決定
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transcript.whisperx[149].text 還是總經理決定
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transcript.whisperx[150].text 這個可能要我幫他回答
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transcript.whisperx[151].text 是跟委員報告因為當時公司是
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transcript.whisperx[152].text 授權這個我們的代理人去開庭的
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transcript.whisperx[153].text 在庭上應法官的這個
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transcript.whisperx[154].text 庭信之後做出這個決定的
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transcript.whisperx[155].text 所以你們都推給代理人
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transcript.whisperx[156].text 所以台湯很好笑
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transcript.whisperx[157].text 我們納稅人好今天
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transcript.whisperx[158].text 託付給我們經濟部
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transcript.whisperx[159].text 託付給台湯
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transcript.whisperx[160].text 台湯現在全部都是託給代理人
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transcript.whisperx[161].text 代理人可以這麼大
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transcript.whisperx[162].text 一億七千萬由代理人來決定是嗎
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transcript.whisperx[164].text 到時候這個一個月只還五萬塊
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transcript.whisperx[165].text 代理人說OK你們就接受了
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transcript.whisperx[166].text 開庭就吞下去嗎
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transcript.whisperx[168].text 所做的好那請問一下副總
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transcript.whisperx[169].text 你們現在一趟至少要設定
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transcript.whisperx[170].text 無奶人應該幾年之內
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transcript.whisperx[171].text 要還完這些欠款
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transcript.whisperx[172].text 跟委員報告這個欠款
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transcript.whisperx[173].text 其實不是無奶人一個人
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transcript.whisperx[174].text 是四個債務人
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transcript.whisperx[175].text 那台湯公司
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transcript.whisperx[176].text 無奶人一個人欠多少
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transcript.whisperx[177].text 這是四個人連帶
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transcript.whisperx[178].text 連帶要負責的這個案子
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transcript.whisperx[179].text 對呀無奶人要負責的嘛
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transcript.whisperx[180].text 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[181].text 四個債務人
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transcript.whisperx[182].text 那無奶人欠多少
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transcript.whisperx[183].text 你剛才都說無奶人還了750萬
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transcript.whisperx[184].text 無奶人還欠多少
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transcript.whisperx[185].text 這個債務如果說有一個
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transcript.whisperx[186].text 你到現在都講不清楚喔
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transcript.whisperx[187].text 要包庇無奶人喔
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transcript.whisperx[188].text 包庇到這個地步喔
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transcript.whisperx[189].text 我現在直接說
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transcript.whisperx[190].text 照理說你們現在就應該撤銷管收
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transcript.whisperx[191].text 我告訴你你立刻把他關進去
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transcript.whisperx[192].text 他立刻提出一個比較好的還款計畫啦
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transcript.whisperx[193].text 你們現在要再給他拖一個月
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transcript.whisperx[194].text 拖到這個月的下半月下旬
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transcript.whisperx[195].text 如果你們再沒有去申請管收的話
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transcript.whisperx[196].text 你們就完全的獨職
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transcript.whisperx[197].text 這個獨職不是只有台湯獨職
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transcript.whisperx[198].text 部長你也獨職喔
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transcript.whisperx[199].text 因為你是主管機關啊
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transcript.whisperx[200].text 是不是
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transcript.whisperx[201].text 我們的目標還是希望債權可以收回來啦
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transcript.whisperx[202].text 那這個
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transcript.whisperx[203].text 多久之內收回來
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transcript.whisperx[204].text
transcript.whisperx[205].start 510.72
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transcript.whisperx[205].text 請你有點大詞好不好
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transcript.whisperx[206].text 談判跟協商的這個技巧
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transcript.whisperx[207].text 或是怎麼樣的決定
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transcript.whisperx[208].text 這個還是要當手
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transcript.whisperx[209].text 這叫談判技巧喔
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transcript.whisperx[210].text 對啊
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transcript.whisperx[211].text 這叫談判技巧喔
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transcript.whisperx[212].text 是啊
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transcript.whisperx[213].text 以後所有積欠政府稅款的
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transcript.whisperx[214].text 或者稅單的
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transcript.whisperx[215].text 或者違規的
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transcript.whisperx[216].text 都來跟政府來說來還
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transcript.whisperx[217].text 我們來談一下這個技巧
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transcript.whisperx[218].text 這個
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transcript.whisperx[219].text 吳乃仁技巧特別棒
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transcript.whisperx[220].text 分層複責
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transcript.whisperx[221].text 這個意思
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transcript.whisperx[222].text 吳乃仁的技巧
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transcript.whisperx[223].text 談判技巧特別棒
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transcript.whisperx[224].text 他可以去開課了
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transcript.whisperx[225].text 開一堂怎麼樣
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transcript.whisperx[226].text 可以延長
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transcript.whisperx[227].text 可以欠錢不還
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transcript.whisperx[228].text 對政府欠錢不還的課了
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transcript.whisperx[229].text 因為他談判技巧特別好
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transcript.whisperx[230].text 部長你也說得出來喔
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transcript.whisperx[231].text 分層複責啊
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transcript.whisperx[232].text 這個還是要尊重台湯
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transcript.whisperx[233].text 部長
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transcript.whisperx[234].text 部長
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transcript.whisperx[235].text 這件事情台湯辦不好
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transcript.whisperx[236].text 部長有責任
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transcript.whisperx[237].text 因為你們可以決定
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transcript.whisperx[238].text 這個董事長總經理啊
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transcript.whisperx[239].text 辦的這樣無瑟瑟
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transcript.whisperx[240].text 是啊
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transcript.whisperx[241].text 辦到這種
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transcript.whisperx[242].text 剛剛台湯公司已經
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transcript.whisperx[243].text 剛剛委員報告過了
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transcript.whisperx[244].text 那要看8月底的狀況
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transcript.whisperx[245].text 好8月底如果沒有辦法提出
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transcript.whisperx[246].text 不能成下結論嘛
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transcript.whisperx[247].text 8月底如果沒有辦法提出
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transcript.whisperx[248].text 這什麼結論啊
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transcript.whisperx[249].text 一個月還5萬啊
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transcript.whisperx[250].text 現在還不知道
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transcript.whisperx[251].text 我跟你講
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transcript.whisperx[252].text 我講一個月還5萬還是高的啦
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transcript.whisperx[253].text 我聽到可能還
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transcript.whisperx[254].text 根本還不到5萬
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transcript.whisperx[255].text 所以8月份
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transcript.whisperx[256].text 8月份如果沒有辦法提出
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transcript.whisperx[257].text 一個合理償還計畫
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transcript.whisperx[258].text 而且你們一定要公開啦
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transcript.whisperx[259].text 你們一定要公開
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transcript.whisperx[260].text 你們憑什麼不公開
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transcript.whisperx[261].text 這是國營事業
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transcript.whisperx[262].text 不是你家的錢喔
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transcript.whisperx[263].text 所以一定要公開
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transcript.whisperx[264].text 無奶人到底他的還款計畫是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[265].text 不要再繼續的包庇無奶人
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transcript.whisperx[266].text 包庇無奶人
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transcript.whisperx[267].text 你們通通都瀆職
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transcript.whisperx[268].text 好謝謝王王委員
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transcript.whisperx[269].text 謝謝部長