| IVOD_ID |
170875 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170875 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
25 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-10T10:28:14+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-10T10:42:27+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:13 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/11f3ac9a4aee4d25e90b03806554e17940bd953ec8f8f090df1af9cfe84b6b7a47ccdd74f879e5a25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳昭姿 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:28:14 - 10:42:27 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長率台灣糖業股份有限公司董事長、法務部首長、衛生福利部首長及審計部首長就「台灣糖業股份有限公司經營治理及風險控管之檢討—中聯油脂事件、台糖售地案等重大債權追償暨審計部114年度決算審核意見改善情形」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 |
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有請經濟部公部長 |
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台唐副總經理 |
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蔡副總經理還有食藥署江署長 |
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好 |
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有請經濟部食藥署跟台唐 |
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江委員好 |
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大家好 三位署長好 |
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我先請教這個江署長 |
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因為我剛進來的時候 |
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我聽到您講了一句話 |
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您說好像食藥署的工作同仁 |
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都非常的辛苦 |
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這個我相信也是啦 |
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遇到這麼大的事情 |
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可是大家都沒有譴責台中聯 |
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如果我沒有聽錯的話 |
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那江署長你有一點失憶 |
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在案發的時候第一次在委員會質詢 |
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而且我接著的這個專題報告 |
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我也繼續在談一樣的問題 |
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我剛開始就告訴你們 |
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為什麼因為中聯有很大的問題 |
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他先出貨再檢驗 |
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我一直問可以這樣嗎 |
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59 |
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61 |
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有人先賣出去再來檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
61 |
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63 |
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但你們沒有人敢回答我 |
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63 |
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65 |
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然後你們大部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
65 |
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66 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
而且我一直在問 |
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66 |
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71 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
中聯有同批流樣的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
71 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
73 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
但是一次檢驗1.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
73 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
74 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
一次檢驗4點多 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
74 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
75 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
一次檢驗8點多 |
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75 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
77 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
發生什麼事 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
77 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
80 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
我當時就鎖定是檢驗當中出了問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
80 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
82 |
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檢驗分兩個步驟 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
82 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
84 |
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一個是取樣 |
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84 |
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85 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
一個是檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
85 |
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87 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
取樣誰去取樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
87 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
88 |
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是誰取樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
88 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
89 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
取樣有沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
89 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
91 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
檢驗有沒有作弊 |
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91 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
92 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
是不是一直驗到不合格 |
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92 |
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94 |
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才可把報告交出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
94 |
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97 |
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我一直鎖定這幾個點 |
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97 |
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99 |
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但是部長跟你 |
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99 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
101 |
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那天我主責就是要問部長 |
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101 |
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104 |
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部長一直把罪推到南僑 |
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104 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
108 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
如果不是今天南僑半個吹哨人 |
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108 |
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111 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
能夠把這個事情揭發出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
111 |
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113 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
今天大家都不知道 |
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113 |
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117 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
細看不知道為什麼死的 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
117 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
119 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
署長您是這個學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
119 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
120 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
我要跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
120 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
122 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
流行病學你也知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
122 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
123 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
我現在已經不相信 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
123 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
124 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
台灣的流行病學了 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
124 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
127 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
流行病學是告訴我們生活的情態 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
127 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
128 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
我們吃的食物 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
128 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
129 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
我們生活的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
129 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
131 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
怎麼樣決定我們的健康狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
131 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
133 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
但是我們現在都不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
133 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
135 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
空氣污染也許不是你的事 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
135 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
136 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
但是食物裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
136 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
138 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
我們當作它是健康的食物 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
138 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
140 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
結果它是有毒的 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
140 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
141 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
所以署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
141 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
143 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
您剛剛在講是不公平的 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
143 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
144 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
我一直在抓中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
144 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
146 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
結果現在中聯的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
146 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
148 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
就被收押禁建了 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
148 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
150 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
可見當時我一抓就抓中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
150 |
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152 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
因為那是我的專業 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
152 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
153 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
153 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
154 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
委員非常的專業 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
154 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
155 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
對於剛才提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
155 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
157 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
由先賣後驗這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
157 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
159 |
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我想過去我們檢驗的週期 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
159 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
160 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
跟檢驗的頻率 |
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160 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
162 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
也是我們這次修法的重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
162 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
164 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
在所謂的自主檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
164 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
166 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
署長請等一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
166 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
167 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
署長請等一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
167 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
168 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
當時沒有錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
168 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
170 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
沒有錯 部長跟你 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
170 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
172 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
然後一直在總質詢的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
172 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
173 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
部長還講一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
173 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
175 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
他說你每六個月檢查一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
175 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
177 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
我想請教你 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
177 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
179 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
每六個月總有第一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
179 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
181 |
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有了第一次才有六個月後 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
181 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
184 |
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請問第一次發生在什麼時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
184 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
186 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
你知道小朋友打B肝疫苗 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
186 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
187 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
出生打一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
187 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
188 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
六個月後再打一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
188 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
191 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
每六個月這個頻率 |
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191 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
193 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
也許可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
193 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
195 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
但不知道也許要改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
195 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
196 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
但總有第一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
196 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
197 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
第一次是什麼時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
197 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
199 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
每個第一次是什麼時候 |
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199 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
200 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
買進來驗一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
200 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
202 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
交出去驗一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
202 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
204 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
如果大家都把這個工作做好 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
204 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
205 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
今天會出問題嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
205 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
207 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
銷大道的時候驗一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
207 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
208 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
合不合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
208 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
210 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
我賣給人家再驗一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
210 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
212 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
這個是非常基本的嘗試 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
212 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
214 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
謝謝委員這樣的執政 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
214 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
216 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
也是其實在修法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
216 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
217 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
大家共同的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
217 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
220 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
如果用我們的批次來檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
220 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
221 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
221 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
222 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
其實大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
222 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
223 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
不要再講 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
223 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
224 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
你回去告訴不要再講 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
224 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
226 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
我們的頻率原來是六個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
226 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
227 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
是一個文法 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
227 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
228 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
你們不好要再做 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
228 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
230 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
總有零次多第一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
230 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
232 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
你不是等到都賣光了 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
232 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
234 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
才會六個月才驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
234 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
235 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
這不是重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
235 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
237 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
跟委員報告是用批次裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
237 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
239 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
我們這次後來看到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
239 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
241 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
我們很勇敢的跟委員講 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
241 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
243 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
我們後來看到他驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
243 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
245 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
出去後來去驗了30批 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
245 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
246 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
用的是黃金檢體 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
246 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
247 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
也是被我們抓出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
247 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
249 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
你今天告訴我什麼叫黃金檢體 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
249 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
251 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
它並不是那麼的守法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
251 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
253 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
我一直認定中年 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
253 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
255 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
中年就是用同一批最棒的油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
255 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
257 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
就是樣本有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
257 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
258 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
然後拿去檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
258 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
259 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
每次檢驗都合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
259 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
260 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
都棒得不得了 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
260 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
261 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
261 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
262 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
262 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
264 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
我想請問台糖的副總 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
264 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
267 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
無奶人欠台糖1.7億 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
267 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
268 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
那是我們的錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
268 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
269 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
那不是你的錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
269 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
272 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
那歲人錢被管收12天而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
272 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
274 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
我兒子可以免教召的 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
274 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
276 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
他此刻在教召中 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
276 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
277 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
因為他的孩子才一歲多 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
277 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
279 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
他兩次免教召 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
279 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
281 |
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無奶人被管收12天而已 |
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281 |
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283 |
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一毛錢都沒有還之前 |
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283 |
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287 |
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台糖竟然就當庭撤回管收 |
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287 |
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288 |
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放他出來逍遙 |
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288 |
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291 |
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他出來有沒有逍遙大家都看到了 |
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291 |
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293 |
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無奶人說絕對會還錢 |
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293 |
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294 |
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他還加了一句 |
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294 |
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296 |
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帕金森市政 |
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對不起請你們用這個理由的時候 |
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300 |
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每個人拿出醫師證明 |
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300 |
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302 |
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帕金森市政不是你說了算 |
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302 |
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304 |
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但是大概出來逍遙大家都看到了 |
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304 |
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307 |
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無奶人說絕對會還錢 |
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307 |
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309 |
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而且說7月20號前 |
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309 |
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312 |
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會協商提出還款計畫 |
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312 |
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314 |
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好我現在要請台糖不要迴避 |
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314 |
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316 |
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清楚的告訴我 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
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317 |
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7月16號 |
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317 |
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無奶人提出什麼還款計畫 |
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322 |
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324 |
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他提出什麼樣的還款計畫 |
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324 |
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327 |
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多久還一次一次還多少錢 |
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327 |
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328 |
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這不是機密啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
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331 |
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他欠的是公款啊公款啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
331 |
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332 |
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是各位報告 |
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332 |
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334 |
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因為7月16號協商的時候 |
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334 |
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337 |
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就是對方沒有提出比較明確 |
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337 |
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339 |
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我們台糖公司可以接受的方案 |
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339 |
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341 |
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所以我們還會繼續再協商 |
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341 |
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343 |
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你要繼續協商 |
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343 |
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344 |
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那為什麼放他走呢 |
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344 |
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346 |
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為什麼放他走呢 |
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346 |
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349 |
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當時在管收的時候 |
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349 |
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350 |
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因為我們認為管收的目的 |
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350 |
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352 |
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只是要請他出來還錢 |
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352 |
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354 |
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因為我們歷次好幾次法院 |
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354 |
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356 |
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管收的目的要他還錢 |
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356 |
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358 |
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那請問這個案子已經20年了 |
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360 |
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第一個我要跟你計較時間 |
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360 |
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362 |
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你是讓他有多少時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
362 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
363 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
把台糖都拖光光了 |
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363 |
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366 |
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第二個目的要還錢 |
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366 |
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368 |
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那你怎麼知道他要還錢 |
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368 |
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370 |
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你怎麼放他走 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
370 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
372 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
你們的台糖訴訟團隊 |
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372 |
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374 |
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認為無奶人提出的金額 |
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374 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
377 |
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這報紙寫的實在太少了 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
377 |
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378 |
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看不到任何誠意啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
378 |
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381 |
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所以7月16號協商破局 |
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381 |
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383 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
那你現在怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
383 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
385 |
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你的目的是要還錢啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
385 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
386 |
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現在呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
386 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
387 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
現在是放他走 |
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387 |
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389 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
目的是放他走是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
389 |
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391 |
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不管任何理由就放他走 |
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391 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
393 |
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他說有病就有病 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
393 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
394 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
他說他要還錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
394 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
395 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
你就相信他 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
395 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
396 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
放他走是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
396 |
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397 |
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沒有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
397 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
398 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
398 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
401 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
這個案子在99年的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
401 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
402 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
我們就已經向無奶人 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
402 |
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405 |
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就是申請假扣要所有無奶人的 |
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405 |
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407 |
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這個所有的財產了 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
407 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
411 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
那從99年這個假扣要開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
411 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
414 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
到109年這個申請定案 |
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414 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
416 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
就開始追查了 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
416 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
418 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
你現在在講99年案發的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
418 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
420 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
你現在才在處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
420 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
423 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
你一個管兄也找不到人 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
423 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
424 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
大家都找不到人 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
424 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
425 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
只有你找不到人 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
425 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
426 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
我現在問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
426 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
429 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
你們1.7億一毛錢都沒有拿回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
429 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
431 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
這是我們大家的錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
431 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
432 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
2300萬的錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
432 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
435 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
有收回3900多萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
436 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
437 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
好那你就告訴我 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
437 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
439 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
他的還款計畫是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
439 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
441 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
總共收回3900多萬嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
441 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
444 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
對到目前為止總共收回3900多萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
444 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
447 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
無奶人的部分是收回750萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
447 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
449 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
無奶人才交回750萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
449 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
451 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
但是你總共要收回1.7億 |
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451 |
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453 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
對這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
453 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
454 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
那你秀出來給我們看 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
454 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
456 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
你的還款計畫是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
456 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
457 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
各位報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
457 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
459 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
因為雙方協商還沒有定案 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
459 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
461 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
如果協商定案之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
461 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
463 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
我今天有看到許淑華 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
463 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
465 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
這個民女竹鞋的那個還款案 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
465 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
467 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
搞不好你們也是這樣做 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
467 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
468 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
一開始還一點點 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
468 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
469 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
還一點點 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
469 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
470 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
後來還很大 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
470 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
473 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
不是剛剛A錢的時候最有錢嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
473 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
476 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
錢還沒有處理好的時候你們不處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
476 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
478 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
然後又只還一點點 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
478 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
480 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
然後打算不還了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
480 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
482 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
不會這個樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
482 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
484 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
台湯公司處理這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
484 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
486 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
一定是會窮盡所有的方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
486 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
489 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
那無奶人所有的財產我們都已經拿過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
489 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
490 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
無奶人擺明了玩弄司法 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
490 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
492 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
玩弄台糖全民當白痴 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
492 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
494 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
你知道網友怎麼說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
494 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
496 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
一般的人簽電話費現水電費 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
496 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
498 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
馬上就被停化被停水停電 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
498 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
499 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
一直被吹 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
499 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
501 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
無奶人簽1.7億 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
501 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
502 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
還可以到健身房 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
502 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
504 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
我這輩子都沒上過健身房 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
504 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
505 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
逍遙法外 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
505 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
508 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
吃好的吃好喝好 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
508 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
511 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
那你這債務協商做什麼用 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
511 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
515 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
債務協商當然是要請他提出合理的清場計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
515 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
518 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
如果說無奶人他提出來的計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
518 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
519 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
台糖公司不接受的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
519 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
522 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
副總你知不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
522 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
526 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
連孫道純這個生意人他當時欠了1.2億 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
526 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
530 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
他還沒管收他就錢都還光了 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
530 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
532 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
你應該就這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
532 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
535 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
我們當然希望無奶人能夠把錢都還了 |
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535 |
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537 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
那就是因為無奶人他 |
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537 |
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540 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
你有把柄的時候你有籌碼的時候你去放他走 |
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540 |
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542 |
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不是這個意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
542 |
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545 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
如果無奶人還是沒有提出合理的方案 |
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545 |
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547 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
我們還是會收錢管收 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
547 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
548 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
我繼續問副總 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
548 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
550 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
當初說你目的你剛剛也講了一遍 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
550 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
553 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
要收回欠款所以撤回管收 |
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553 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
556 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
這個邏輯你去問你兒子跟孫子 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
556 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
560 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
因為我們要他還錢所以我們就撤回讓他回家 |
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560 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
565 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
這個他回家還要自己親自到銀行去領錢嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
565 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
566 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
你這個邏輯非常奇怪 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
566 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
569 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
結果到現在證實我們是對的 |
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569 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
571 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
你一塊錢都拿不回來 |
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571 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
575 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
你為什麼不等他先還錢再放他回家呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
575 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
578 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
我到今天沒有辦法理解這件事 |
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578 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
581 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
為什麼你目的就說要他還錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
581 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
584 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
但是他沒有還一塊錢就讓他回家 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
584 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
589 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
跟委員報告因為當時他的律師是希望遞遍無奶人 |
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589 |
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591 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
那因為法院禁止 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
591 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
595 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
那律師是希望說能夠跟無奶人來當面講清楚之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
595 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
598 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
才能提出比較合理的還款計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
598 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
601 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
所以當時律師是有提出這條條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
601 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
605 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
是誰叫你們當庭撤回管收的是誰 |
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605 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
611 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
這個是當時我們這個代理人他所做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
611 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
612 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
代理人是誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
612 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
615 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
代理人是我們公司的湯董事 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
615 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
617 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
湯董事 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
617 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
618 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
618 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
622 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
湯董事敢要他當庭撤回管收 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
622 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
624 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
湯董事 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
624 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
625 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
你現在有名字了 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
625 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
628 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
叫你撤回管收的是湯董事 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
628 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
630 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
你公開把他名字講出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
630 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
633 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
他是公司委託我們的董事 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
633 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
635 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
他具有30多年的律師經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
635 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
637 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
所以他是當庭 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
637 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
638 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
律師經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
638 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
642 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
你委託他代理訴訟嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
642 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
643 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
643 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
648 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
有律師決定不用跟董事長跟總經理討論嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
648 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
651 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
這部分是當時公司有授權 |
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651 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
653 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
653 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
655 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
你公然跟全民為敵 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
655 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
657 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
那下一步動作是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
657 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
658 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
你現在沒有來回錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
658 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
659 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
要不要再申請管收 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
659 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
661 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
你再管收總共可以幾次 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
661 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
663 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
副總可以總共可以幾次 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
663 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
665 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
我們他如果沒有提 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
665 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
666 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
你兩倍一次了 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
666 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
669 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
你總共可以幾次 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
669 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
670 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
最多一次 |
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670 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
672 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
兩次而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
672 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
674 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
你現在要不要再把他管收他 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
674 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
675 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
錢沒有回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
675 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
677 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
如果他沒有提出合理的清掌計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
677 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
679 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
我們還是會申請管收 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
679 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
680 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
而且我們內部已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
680 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
681 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
他就沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
681 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
683 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
不然你今天就給我們看 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
683 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
686 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
因為7月16號他提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
686 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
687 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
我們不滿意 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
687 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
689 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
所以台湯公司有再特別請他 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
689 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
691 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
要提出合理的清掌計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
691 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
692 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
我給你用常識想一想 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
692 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
693 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
放了20年 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
693 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
695 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
現在要管收策回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
695 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
697 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
然後吃這個吃的好穿的好 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
697 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
699 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
在外面過的優惠的生活 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
699 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
700 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
好請同學談 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
700 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
702 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
5月15號你取得報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
702 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
704 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
得知這個Bandle Pirate燒標 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
704 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
706 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
你有沒有報告經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
706 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
707 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
有沒有報告經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
707 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
709 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
國務部長你有收到這個訊息嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].start |
709 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
711 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
他有報告經濟部嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].start |
712 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
713 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
他不需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
713 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
714 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
有報告嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
714 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
715 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
不需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
715 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
716 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
等一下公務長 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].start |
716 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
717 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
我跟您討論一個邏輯 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].start |
717 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
718 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
需不需要是一件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
718 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
720 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
我現在不問需不需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
720 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
721 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
我也不需要你們講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
721 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
723 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
這個隨便去解釋的依法通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].start |
723 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
725 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
請問他有沒有通知 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].start |
725 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
726 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].start |
726 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
727 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
報告你沒有收到 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].start |
727 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
728 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
對沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
728 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
729 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
你沒有收到 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].start |
729 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
730 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
730 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
732 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
好所以台湯沒有通告 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].start |
732 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
734 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
通報這個上級長官 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].start |
734 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
735 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
他不需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].start |
735 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
736 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
他不需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].start |
736 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
737 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
他不需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].start |
737 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
739 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
部長我講的是兩件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].start |
739 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
740 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
需不需要是一件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].start |
740 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
742 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
在專業良知上責任上 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].start |
742 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
744 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
是另外一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].start |
744 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
746 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
好那請問台湯5月15號發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].start |
746 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].end |
749 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
有沒有通報地方衛生主管機關食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].start |
749 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
750 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].text |
有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].start |
750 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].end |
751 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
各位報告沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].start |
751 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].end |
752 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
你每一項都沒有就對了 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].start |
752 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].end |
754 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
因為他這個不是通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].start |
754 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].end |
756 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
現在的食安法規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].start |
756 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
757 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
所要通報的項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].start |
757 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
758 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].text |
他不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].start |
758 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
760 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
這個食安法很多專家都有見解 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].start |
760 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
762 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
有法學背景都有見解 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].start |
762 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
764 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
那你說都完全都沒有通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].start |
764 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
766 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
那就是把人給他殺掉了 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].start |
766 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
768 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
你看到不合格的把人給他殺掉了 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].start |
768 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
770 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].text |
大家各掃門前前 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].start |
770 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
772 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].text |
台湯是國營事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].start |
772 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].end |
774 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].text |
我們採購的不是最後的食用油 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].start |
774 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].end |
776 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
我們採購的是出油 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].start |
776 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
777 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
是一個中間的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].start |
777 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].end |
779 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].text |
我要講今天你已經到這個程度了 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].start |
779 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
781 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
全部的人都在講 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].start |
781 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].end |
782 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
我有沒有合法 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].start |
782 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
784 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
我也對外部部長說 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].start |
784 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
785 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
你只要輪落到 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].start |
785 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
787 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
我有沒有違反哪一條法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].start |
787 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
789 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
我們不只是要他合法 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].start |
789 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
791 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
我們包括 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].start |
791 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
794 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
我們現在所有的大豆沙拉油 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].start |
794 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
796 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
跟他的相關的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].start |
796 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
797 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
我們驗出來都沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].start |
797 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
799 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
我們還是讓他下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].start |
799 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
801 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
你現在已經出事了 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
801 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
803 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
你現在就說好 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].start |
803 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
805 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
你當時看到了這麼危險 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].start |
805 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
807 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
而且是最高7點多倍的鈔票 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].start |
807 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
808 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
你什麼都沒做 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].start |
808 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
809 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
也沒有報告經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].start |
809 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
811 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
也沒有報告食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].start |
811 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
813 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
也沒有報告地方衛生主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].start |
813 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
814 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
對嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].start |
814 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
815 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
我這樣講有誤解嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].start |
815 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
817 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
可能有社會大眾有誤解 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
817 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
819 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
沒有所謂的7點多倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].start |
819 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
821 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
好那我現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].start |
821 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
822 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
因為部長也這樣說 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
822 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
823 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
你們沒有通報義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].start |
823 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
824 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
你就大聲說 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
824 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
825 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
就在這裡大聲說 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
825 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
827 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
台糖沒有通報義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].start |
827 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
828 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
你就這樣講 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].start |
828 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
830 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
依照現在的食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].start |
830 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
832 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
他不是應該要通報的 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].start |
832 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
833 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
台糖沒有通報義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].start |
833 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
835 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
台糖只負責賺錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].start |
835 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
838 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
台糖只負責用我們的納稅錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].start |
838 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].end |
840 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].text |
所以人家欠了也不要回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].start |
840 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].end |
842 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
然後碰到看到人家做壞事 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].start |
842 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
844 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
也都靜靜的不出征 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].start |
844 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
845 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
把人家給撕破了 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].start |
845 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].end |
847 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
不會啦我們不會這樣做 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].start |
847 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
850 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
好請謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].start |
850 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
852 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].start |
852 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
854 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
好謝謝陳昭之委員 |