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陳昭姿 @ 第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:07,000 | 謝謝主席 |
| 00:00:07,000 | 00:00:09,000 | 有請經濟部公部長 |
| 00:00:09,000 | 00:00:11,000 | 台唐副總經理 |
| 00:00:11,000 | 00:00:14,000 | 蔡副總經理還有食藥署江署長 |
| 00:00:14,000 | 00:00:15,000 | 好 |
| 00:00:15,000 | 00:00:18,000 | 有請經濟部食藥署跟台唐 |
| 00:00:18,000 | 00:00:19,000 | 江委員好 |
| 00:00:19,000 | 00:00:20,000 | 大家好 三位署長好 |
| 00:00:20,000 | 00:00:23,000 | 我先請教這個江署長 |
| 00:00:23,000 | 00:00:25,000 | 因為我剛進來的時候 |
| 00:00:25,000 | 00:00:27,000 | 我聽到您講了一句話 |
| 00:00:27,000 | 00:00:30,000 | 您說好像食藥署的工作同仁 |
| 00:00:30,000 | 00:00:31,000 | 都非常的辛苦 |
| 00:00:31,000 | 00:00:33,000 | 這個我相信也是啦 |
| 00:00:33,000 | 00:00:34,000 | 遇到這麼大的事情 |
| 00:00:34,000 | 00:00:37,000 | 可是大家都沒有譴責台中聯 |
| 00:00:37,000 | 00:00:38,000 | 如果我沒有聽錯的話 |
| 00:00:38,000 | 00:00:42,000 | 那江署長你有一點失憶 |
| 00:00:42,000 | 00:00:45,000 | 在案發的時候第一次在委員會質詢 |
| 00:00:45,000 | 00:00:47,000 | 而且我接著的這個專題報告 |
| 00:00:47,000 | 00:00:49,000 | 我也繼續在談一樣的問題 |
| 00:00:49,000 | 00:00:51,000 | 我剛開始就告訴你們 |
| 00:00:51,000 | 00:00:54,000 | 為什麼因為中聯有很大的問題 |
| 00:00:54,000 | 00:00:57,000 | 他先出貨再檢驗 |
| 00:00:57,000 | 00:00:59,000 | 我一直問可以這樣嗎 |
| 00:00:59,000 | 00:01:01,000 | 有人先賣出去再來檢驗 |
| 00:01:01,000 | 00:01:03,000 | 但你們沒有人敢回答我 |
| 00:01:03,000 | 00:01:05,000 | 然後你們大部分 |
| 00:01:05,000 | 00:01:06,000 | 而且我一直在問 |
| 00:01:06,000 | 00:01:11,000 | 中聯有同批流樣的產品 |
| 00:01:11,000 | 00:01:13,000 | 但是一次檢驗1.6 |
| 00:01:13,000 | 00:01:14,000 | 一次檢驗4點多 |
| 00:01:14,000 | 00:01:15,000 | 一次檢驗8點多 |
| 00:01:15,000 | 00:01:17,000 | 發生什麼事 |
| 00:01:17,000 | 00:01:20,000 | 我當時就鎖定是檢驗當中出了問題 |
| 00:01:20,000 | 00:01:22,000 | 檢驗分兩個步驟 |
| 00:01:22,000 | 00:01:24,000 | 一個是取樣 |
| 00:01:24,000 | 00:01:25,000 | 一個是檢驗 |
| 00:01:25,000 | 00:01:27,000 | 取樣誰去取樣 |
| 00:01:27,000 | 00:01:28,000 | 是誰取樣 |
| 00:01:28,000 | 00:01:29,000 | 取樣有沒有問題 |
| 00:01:29,000 | 00:01:31,000 | 檢驗有沒有作弊 |
| 00:01:31,000 | 00:01:32,000 | 是不是一直驗到不合格 |
| 00:01:32,000 | 00:01:34,000 | 才可把報告交出來 |
| 00:01:34,000 | 00:01:37,000 | 我一直鎖定這幾個點 |
| 00:01:37,000 | 00:01:39,000 | 但是部長跟你 |
| 00:01:39,000 | 00:01:41,000 | 那天我主責就是要問部長 |
| 00:01:41,000 | 00:01:44,000 | 部長一直把罪推到南僑 |
| 00:01:44,000 | 00:01:48,000 | 如果不是今天南僑半個吹哨人 |
| 00:01:48,000 | 00:01:51,000 | 能夠把這個事情揭發出來 |
| 00:01:51,000 | 00:01:53,000 | 今天大家都不知道 |
| 00:01:53,000 | 00:01:57,000 | 細看不知道為什麼死的 |
| 00:01:57,000 | 00:01:59,000 | 署長您是這個學者 |
| 00:01:59,000 | 00:02:00,000 | 我要跟你講 |
| 00:02:00,000 | 00:02:02,000 | 流行病學你也知道 |
| 00:02:02,000 | 00:02:03,000 | 我現在已經不相信 |
| 00:02:03,000 | 00:02:04,000 | 台灣的流行病學了 |
| 00:02:04,000 | 00:02:07,000 | 流行病學是告訴我們生活的情態 |
| 00:02:07,000 | 00:02:08,000 | 我們吃的食物 |
| 00:02:08,000 | 00:02:09,000 | 我們生活的方式 |
| 00:02:09,000 | 00:02:11,000 | 怎麼樣決定我們的健康狀態 |
| 00:02:11,000 | 00:02:13,000 | 但是我們現在都不知道 |
| 00:02:13,000 | 00:02:15,000 | 空氣污染也許不是你的事 |
| 00:02:15,000 | 00:02:16,000 | 但是食物裡面 |
| 00:02:16,000 | 00:02:18,000 | 我們當作它是健康的食物 |
| 00:02:18,000 | 00:02:20,000 | 結果它是有毒的 |
| 00:02:20,000 | 00:02:21,000 | 所以署長 |
| 00:02:21,000 | 00:02:23,000 | 您剛剛在講是不公平的 |
| 00:02:23,000 | 00:02:24,000 | 我一直在抓中聯 |
| 00:02:24,000 | 00:02:26,000 | 結果現在中聯的人 |
| 00:02:26,000 | 00:02:28,000 | 就被收押禁建了 |
| 00:02:28,000 | 00:02:30,000 | 可見當時我一抓就抓中聯 |
| 00:02:30,000 | 00:02:32,000 | 因為那是我的專業 |
| 00:02:32,000 | 00:02:33,000 | 謝謝委員 |
| 00:02:33,000 | 00:02:34,000 | 委員非常的專業 |
| 00:02:34,000 | 00:02:35,000 | 對於剛才提到的 |
| 00:02:35,000 | 00:02:37,000 | 由先賣後驗這件事情 |
| 00:02:37,000 | 00:02:39,000 | 我想過去我們檢驗的週期 |
| 00:02:39,000 | 00:02:40,000 | 跟檢驗的頻率 |
| 00:02:40,000 | 00:02:42,000 | 也是我們這次修法的重點 |
| 00:02:42,000 | 00:02:44,000 | 在所謂的自主檢驗 |
| 00:02:44,000 | 00:02:46,000 | 署長請等一下 |
| 00:02:46,000 | 00:02:47,000 | 署長請等一下 |
| 00:02:47,000 | 00:02:48,000 | 當時沒有錯 |
| 00:02:48,000 | 00:02:50,000 | 沒有錯 部長跟你 |
| 00:02:50,000 | 00:02:52,000 | 然後一直在總質詢的時候 |
| 00:02:52,000 | 00:02:53,000 | 部長還講一下 |
| 00:02:53,000 | 00:02:55,000 | 他說你每六個月檢查一次 |
| 00:02:55,000 | 00:02:57,000 | 我想請教你 |
| 00:02:57,000 | 00:02:59,000 | 每六個月總有第一次 |
| 00:02:59,000 | 00:03:01,000 | 有了第一次才有六個月後 |
| 00:03:01,000 | 00:03:04,000 | 請問第一次發生在什麼時候 |
| 00:03:04,000 | 00:03:06,000 | 你知道小朋友打B肝疫苗 |
| 00:03:06,000 | 00:03:07,000 | 出生打一次 |
| 00:03:07,000 | 00:03:08,000 | 六個月後再打一次 |
| 00:03:08,000 | 00:03:11,000 | 每六個月這個頻率 |
| 00:03:11,000 | 00:03:13,000 | 也許可以 |
| 00:03:13,000 | 00:03:15,000 | 但不知道也許要改變 |
| 00:03:15,000 | 00:03:16,000 | 但總有第一次 |
| 00:03:16,000 | 00:03:17,000 | 第一次是什麼時候 |
| 00:03:17,000 | 00:03:19,000 | 每個第一次是什麼時候 |
| 00:03:19,000 | 00:03:20,000 | 買進來驗一次 |
| 00:03:20,000 | 00:03:22,000 | 交出去驗一次 |
| 00:03:22,000 | 00:03:24,000 | 如果大家都把這個工作做好 |
| 00:03:24,000 | 00:03:25,000 | 今天會出問題嗎 |
| 00:03:25,000 | 00:03:27,000 | 銷大道的時候驗一次 |
| 00:03:27,000 | 00:03:28,000 | 合不合格 |
| 00:03:28,000 | 00:03:30,000 | 我賣給人家再驗一次 |
| 00:03:30,000 | 00:03:32,000 | 這個是非常基本的嘗試 |
| 00:03:32,000 | 00:03:34,000 | 謝謝委員這樣的執政 |
| 00:03:34,000 | 00:03:36,000 | 也是其實在修法裡面 |
| 00:03:36,000 | 00:03:37,000 | 大家共同的議題 |
| 00:03:37,000 | 00:03:40,000 | 如果用我們的批次來檢驗 |
| 00:03:40,000 | 00:03:41,000 | 這件事情 |
| 00:03:41,000 | 00:03:42,000 | 其實大家 |
| 00:03:42,000 | 00:03:43,000 | 不要再講 |
| 00:03:43,000 | 00:03:44,000 | 你回去告訴不要再講 |
| 00:03:44,000 | 00:03:46,000 | 我們的頻率原來是六個月 |
| 00:03:46,000 | 00:03:47,000 | 是一個文法 |
| 00:03:47,000 | 00:03:48,000 | 你們不好要再做 |
| 00:03:48,000 | 00:03:50,000 | 總有零次多第一次 |
| 00:03:50,000 | 00:03:52,000 | 你不是等到都賣光了 |
| 00:03:52,000 | 00:03:54,000 | 才會六個月才驗 |
| 00:03:54,000 | 00:03:55,000 | 這不是重點 |
| 00:03:55,000 | 00:03:57,000 | 跟委員報告是用批次裡面 |
| 00:03:57,000 | 00:03:59,000 | 我們這次後來看到的 |
| 00:03:59,000 | 00:04:01,000 | 我們很勇敢的跟委員講 |
| 00:04:01,000 | 00:04:03,000 | 我們後來看到他驗 |
| 00:04:03,000 | 00:04:05,000 | 出去後來去驗了30批 |
| 00:04:05,000 | 00:04:06,000 | 用的是黃金檢體 |
| 00:04:06,000 | 00:04:07,000 | 也是被我們抓出來 |
| 00:04:07,000 | 00:04:09,000 | 你今天告訴我什麼叫黃金檢體 |
| 00:04:09,000 | 00:04:11,000 | 它並不是那麼的守法的 |
| 00:04:11,000 | 00:04:13,000 | 我一直認定中年 |
| 00:04:13,000 | 00:04:15,000 | 中年就是用同一批最棒的油品 |
| 00:04:15,000 | 00:04:17,000 | 就是樣本有問題 |
| 00:04:17,000 | 00:04:18,000 | 然後拿去檢驗 |
| 00:04:18,000 | 00:04:19,000 | 每次檢驗都合格 |
| 00:04:19,000 | 00:04:20,000 | 都棒得不得了 |
| 00:04:20,000 | 00:04:21,000 | 請回 |
| 00:04:21,000 | 00:04:22,000 | 謝謝 |
| 00:04:22,000 | 00:04:24,000 | 我想請問台糖的副總 |
| 00:04:24,000 | 00:04:27,000 | 無奶人欠台糖1.7億 |
| 00:04:27,000 | 00:04:28,000 | 那是我們的錢 |
| 00:04:28,000 | 00:04:29,000 | 那不是你的錢 |
| 00:04:29,000 | 00:04:32,000 | 那歲人錢被管收12天而已 |
| 00:04:32,000 | 00:04:34,000 | 我兒子可以免教召的 |
| 00:04:34,000 | 00:04:36,000 | 他此刻在教召中 |
| 00:04:36,000 | 00:04:37,000 | 因為他的孩子才一歲多 |
| 00:04:37,000 | 00:04:39,000 | 他兩次免教召 |
| 00:04:39,000 | 00:04:41,000 | 無奶人被管收12天而已 |
| 00:04:41,000 | 00:04:43,000 | 一毛錢都沒有還之前 |
| 00:04:43,000 | 00:04:47,000 | 台糖竟然就當庭撤回管收 |
| 00:04:47,000 | 00:04:48,000 | 放他出來逍遙 |
| 00:04:48,000 | 00:04:51,000 | 他出來有沒有逍遙大家都看到了 |
| 00:04:51,000 | 00:04:53,000 | 無奶人說絕對會還錢 |
| 00:04:53,000 | 00:04:54,000 | 他還加了一句 |
| 00:04:54,000 | 00:04:56,000 | 帕金森市政 |
| 00:04:56,000 | 00:04:58,000 | 對不起請你們用這個理由的時候 |
| 00:04:58,000 | 00:05:00,000 | 每個人拿出醫師證明 |
| 00:05:00,000 | 00:05:02,000 | 帕金森市政不是你說了算 |
| 00:05:02,000 | 00:05:04,000 | 但是大概出來逍遙大家都看到了 |
| 00:05:04,000 | 00:05:07,000 | 無奶人說絕對會還錢 |
| 00:05:07,000 | 00:05:09,000 | 而且說7月20號前 |
| 00:05:09,000 | 00:05:12,000 | 會協商提出還款計畫 |
| 00:05:12,000 | 00:05:14,000 | 好我現在要請台糖不要迴避 |
| 00:05:14,000 | 00:05:16,000 | 清楚的告訴我 |
| 00:05:16,000 | 00:05:17,000 | 7月16號 |
| 00:05:17,000 | 00:05:20,000 | 無奶人提出什麼還款計畫 |
| 00:05:22,000 | 00:05:24,000 | 他提出什麼樣的還款計畫 |
| 00:05:24,000 | 00:05:27,000 | 多久還一次一次還多少錢 |
| 00:05:27,000 | 00:05:28,000 | 這不是機密啊 |
| 00:05:28,000 | 00:05:31,000 | 他欠的是公款啊公款啊 |
| 00:05:31,000 | 00:05:32,000 | 是各位報告 |
| 00:05:32,000 | 00:05:34,000 | 因為7月16號協商的時候 |
| 00:05:34,000 | 00:05:37,000 | 就是對方沒有提出比較明確 |
| 00:05:37,000 | 00:05:39,000 | 我們台糖公司可以接受的方案 |
| 00:05:39,000 | 00:05:41,000 | 所以我們還會繼續再協商 |
| 00:05:41,000 | 00:05:43,000 | 你要繼續協商 |
| 00:05:43,000 | 00:05:44,000 | 那為什麼放他走呢 |
| 00:05:44,000 | 00:05:46,000 | 為什麼放他走呢 |
| 00:05:46,000 | 00:05:49,000 | 當時在管收的時候 |
| 00:05:49,000 | 00:05:50,000 | 因為我們認為管收的目的 |
| 00:05:50,000 | 00:05:52,000 | 只是要請他出來還錢 |
| 00:05:52,000 | 00:05:54,000 | 因為我們歷次好幾次法院 |
| 00:05:54,000 | 00:05:56,000 | 管收的目的要他還錢 |
| 00:05:56,000 | 00:05:58,000 | 那請問這個案子已經20年了 |
| 00:05:58,000 | 00:06:00,000 | 第一個我要跟你計較時間 |
| 00:06:00,000 | 00:06:02,000 | 你是讓他有多少時間 |
| 00:06:02,000 | 00:06:03,000 | 把台糖都拖光光了 |
| 00:06:03,000 | 00:06:06,000 | 第二個目的要還錢 |
| 00:06:06,000 | 00:06:08,000 | 那你怎麼知道他要還錢 |
| 00:06:08,000 | 00:06:10,000 | 你怎麼放他走 |
| 00:06:10,000 | 00:06:12,000 | 你們的台糖訴訟團隊 |
| 00:06:12,000 | 00:06:14,000 | 認為無奶人提出的金額 |
| 00:06:14,000 | 00:06:17,000 | 這報紙寫的實在太少了 |
| 00:06:17,000 | 00:06:18,000 | 看不到任何誠意啊 |
| 00:06:18,000 | 00:06:21,000 | 所以7月16號協商破局 |
| 00:06:21,000 | 00:06:23,000 | 那你現在怎麼辦 |
| 00:06:23,000 | 00:06:25,000 | 你的目的是要還錢啊 |
| 00:06:25,000 | 00:06:26,000 | 現在呢 |
| 00:06:26,000 | 00:06:27,000 | 現在是放他走 |
| 00:06:27,000 | 00:06:29,000 | 目的是放他走是不是 |
| 00:06:29,000 | 00:06:31,000 | 不管任何理由就放他走 |
| 00:06:31,000 | 00:06:33,000 | 他說有病就有病 |
| 00:06:33,000 | 00:06:34,000 | 他說他要還錢 |
| 00:06:34,000 | 00:06:35,000 | 你就相信他 |
| 00:06:35,000 | 00:06:36,000 | 放他走是不是 |
| 00:06:36,000 | 00:06:37,000 | 沒有沒有 |
| 00:06:37,000 | 00:06:38,000 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:06:38,000 | 00:06:41,000 | 這個案子在99年的時候 |
| 00:06:41,000 | 00:06:42,000 | 我們就已經向無奶人 |
| 00:06:42,000 | 00:06:45,000 | 就是申請假扣要所有無奶人的 |
| 00:06:45,000 | 00:06:47,000 | 這個所有的財產了 |
| 00:06:47,000 | 00:06:51,000 | 那從99年這個假扣要開始 |
| 00:06:51,000 | 00:06:54,000 | 到109年這個申請定案 |
| 00:06:54,000 | 00:06:56,000 | 就開始追查了 |
| 00:06:56,000 | 00:06:58,000 | 你現在在講99年案發的事情 |
| 00:06:58,000 | 00:07:00,000 | 你現在才在處理 |
| 00:07:00,000 | 00:07:03,000 | 你一個管兄也找不到人 |
| 00:07:03,000 | 00:07:04,000 | 大家都找不到人 |
| 00:07:04,000 | 00:07:05,000 | 只有你找不到人 |
| 00:07:05,000 | 00:07:06,000 | 我現在問你 |
| 00:07:06,000 | 00:07:09,000 | 你們1.7億一毛錢都沒有拿回來 |
| 00:07:09,000 | 00:07:11,000 | 這是我們大家的錢 |
| 00:07:11,000 | 00:07:12,000 | 2300萬的錢 |
| 00:07:12,000 | 00:07:15,000 | 有收回3900多萬 |
| 00:07:16,000 | 00:07:17,000 | 好那你就告訴我 |
| 00:07:17,000 | 00:07:19,000 | 他的還款計畫是什麼 |
| 00:07:19,000 | 00:07:21,000 | 總共收回3900多萬嗎 |
| 00:07:21,000 | 00:07:24,000 | 對到目前為止總共收回3900多萬 |
| 00:07:24,000 | 00:07:27,000 | 無奶人的部分是收回750萬 |
| 00:07:27,000 | 00:07:29,000 | 無奶人才交回750萬 |
| 00:07:29,000 | 00:07:31,000 | 但是你總共要收回1.7億 |
| 00:07:31,000 | 00:07:33,000 | 對這個案子 |
| 00:07:33,000 | 00:07:34,000 | 那你秀出來給我們看 |
| 00:07:34,000 | 00:07:36,000 | 你的還款計畫是什麼 |
| 00:07:36,000 | 00:07:37,000 | 各位報告 |
| 00:07:37,000 | 00:07:39,000 | 因為雙方協商還沒有定案 |
| 00:07:39,000 | 00:07:41,000 | 如果協商定案之後 |
| 00:07:41,000 | 00:07:43,000 | 我今天有看到許淑華 |
| 00:07:43,000 | 00:07:45,000 | 這個民女竹鞋的那個還款案 |
| 00:07:45,000 | 00:07:47,000 | 搞不好你們也是這樣做 |
| 00:07:47,000 | 00:07:48,000 | 一開始還一點點 |
| 00:07:48,000 | 00:07:49,000 | 還一點點 |
| 00:07:49,000 | 00:07:50,000 | 後來還很大 |
| 00:07:50,000 | 00:07:53,000 | 不是剛剛A錢的時候最有錢嗎 |
| 00:07:53,000 | 00:07:56,000 | 錢還沒有處理好的時候你們不處理 |
| 00:07:56,000 | 00:07:58,000 | 然後又只還一點點 |
| 00:07:58,000 | 00:08:00,000 | 然後打算不還了嗎 |
| 00:08:00,000 | 00:08:02,000 | 不會這個樣子 |
| 00:08:02,000 | 00:08:04,000 | 台湯公司處理這個案子 |
| 00:08:04,000 | 00:08:06,000 | 一定是會窮盡所有的方法 |
| 00:08:06,000 | 00:08:09,000 | 那無奶人所有的財產我們都已經拿過了 |
| 00:08:09,000 | 00:08:10,000 | 無奶人擺明了玩弄司法 |
| 00:08:10,000 | 00:08:12,000 | 玩弄台糖全民當白痴 |
| 00:08:12,000 | 00:08:14,000 | 你知道網友怎麼說的 |
| 00:08:14,000 | 00:08:16,000 | 一般的人簽電話費現水電費 |
| 00:08:16,000 | 00:08:18,000 | 馬上就被停化被停水停電 |
| 00:08:18,000 | 00:08:19,000 | 一直被吹 |
| 00:08:19,000 | 00:08:21,000 | 無奶人簽1.7億 |
| 00:08:21,000 | 00:08:22,000 | 還可以到健身房 |
| 00:08:22,000 | 00:08:24,000 | 我這輩子都沒上過健身房 |
| 00:08:24,000 | 00:08:25,000 | 逍遙法外 |
| 00:08:25,000 | 00:08:28,000 | 吃好的吃好喝好 |
| 00:08:28,000 | 00:08:31,000 | 那你這債務協商做什麼用 |
| 00:08:31,000 | 00:08:35,000 | 債務協商當然是要請他提出合理的清場計畫 |
| 00:08:35,000 | 00:08:38,000 | 如果說無奶人他提出來的計畫 |
| 00:08:38,000 | 00:08:39,000 | 台糖公司不接受的時候 |
| 00:08:39,000 | 00:08:42,000 | 副總你知不知道 |
| 00:08:42,000 | 00:08:46,000 | 連孫道純這個生意人他當時欠了1.2億 |
| 00:08:46,000 | 00:08:50,000 | 他還沒管收他就錢都還光了 |
| 00:08:50,000 | 00:08:52,000 | 你應該就這個案子 |
| 00:08:52,000 | 00:08:55,000 | 我們當然希望無奶人能夠把錢都還了 |
| 00:08:55,000 | 00:08:57,000 | 那就是因為無奶人他 |
| 00:08:57,000 | 00:09:00,000 | 你有把柄的時候你有籌碼的時候你去放他走 |
| 00:09:00,000 | 00:09:02,000 | 不是這個意思 |
| 00:09:02,000 | 00:09:05,000 | 如果無奶人還是沒有提出合理的方案 |
| 00:09:05,000 | 00:09:07,000 | 我們還是會收錢管收 |
| 00:09:07,000 | 00:09:08,000 | 我繼續問副總 |
| 00:09:08,000 | 00:09:10,000 | 當初說你目的你剛剛也講了一遍 |
| 00:09:10,000 | 00:09:13,000 | 要收回欠款所以撤回管收 |
| 00:09:13,000 | 00:09:16,000 | 這個邏輯你去問你兒子跟孫子 |
| 00:09:16,000 | 00:09:20,000 | 因為我們要他還錢所以我們就撤回讓他回家 |
| 00:09:20,000 | 00:09:25,000 | 這個他回家還要自己親自到銀行去領錢嗎 |
| 00:09:25,000 | 00:09:26,000 | 你這個邏輯非常奇怪 |
| 00:09:26,000 | 00:09:29,000 | 結果到現在證實我們是對的 |
| 00:09:29,000 | 00:09:31,000 | 你一塊錢都拿不回來 |
| 00:09:31,000 | 00:09:35,000 | 你為什麼不等他先還錢再放他回家呢 |
| 00:09:35,000 | 00:09:38,000 | 我到今天沒有辦法理解這件事 |
| 00:09:38,000 | 00:09:41,000 | 為什麼你目的就說要他還錢 |
| 00:09:41,000 | 00:09:44,000 | 但是他沒有還一塊錢就讓他回家 |
| 00:09:44,000 | 00:09:49,000 | 跟委員報告因為當時他的律師是希望遞遍無奶人 |
| 00:09:49,000 | 00:09:51,000 | 那因為法院禁止 |
| 00:09:51,000 | 00:09:55,000 | 那律師是希望說能夠跟無奶人來當面講清楚之後 |
| 00:09:55,000 | 00:09:58,000 | 才能提出比較合理的還款計畫 |
| 00:09:58,000 | 00:10:01,000 | 所以當時律師是有提出這條條件 |
| 00:10:01,000 | 00:10:05,000 | 是誰叫你們當庭撤回管收的是誰 |
| 00:10:05,000 | 00:10:11,000 | 這個是當時我們這個代理人他所做的 |
| 00:10:11,000 | 00:10:12,000 | 代理人是誰 |
| 00:10:12,000 | 00:10:15,000 | 代理人是我們公司的湯董事 |
| 00:10:15,000 | 00:10:17,000 | 湯董事 |
| 00:10:17,000 | 00:10:18,000 | 對 |
| 00:10:18,000 | 00:10:22,000 | 湯董事敢要他當庭撤回管收 |
| 00:10:22,000 | 00:10:24,000 | 湯董事 |
| 00:10:24,000 | 00:10:25,000 | 你現在有名字了 |
| 00:10:25,000 | 00:10:28,000 | 叫你撤回管收的是湯董事 |
| 00:10:28,000 | 00:10:30,000 | 你公開把他名字講出來 |
| 00:10:30,000 | 00:10:33,000 | 他是公司委託我們的董事 |
| 00:10:33,000 | 00:10:35,000 | 他具有30多年的律師經驗 |
| 00:10:35,000 | 00:10:37,000 | 所以他是當庭 |
| 00:10:37,000 | 00:10:38,000 | 律師經驗 |
| 00:10:38,000 | 00:10:42,000 | 你委託他代理訴訟嗎 |
| 00:10:42,000 | 00:10:43,000 | 是 |
| 00:10:43,000 | 00:10:48,000 | 有律師決定不用跟董事長跟總經理討論嗎 |
| 00:10:48,000 | 00:10:51,000 | 這部分是當時公司有授權 |
| 00:10:51,000 | 00:10:53,000 | 授權 |
| 00:10:53,000 | 00:10:55,000 | 你公然跟全民為敵 |
| 00:10:55,000 | 00:10:57,000 | 那下一步動作是什麼 |
| 00:10:57,000 | 00:10:58,000 | 你現在沒有來回錢 |
| 00:10:58,000 | 00:10:59,000 | 要不要再申請管收 |
| 00:10:59,000 | 00:11:01,000 | 你再管收總共可以幾次 |
| 00:11:01,000 | 00:11:03,000 | 副總可以總共可以幾次 |
| 00:11:03,000 | 00:11:05,000 | 我們他如果沒有提 |
| 00:11:05,000 | 00:11:06,000 | 你兩倍一次了 |
| 00:11:06,000 | 00:11:09,000 | 你總共可以幾次 |
| 00:11:09,000 | 00:11:10,000 | 最多一次 |
| 00:11:10,000 | 00:11:12,000 | 兩次而已 |
| 00:11:12,000 | 00:11:14,000 | 你現在要不要再把他管收他 |
| 00:11:14,000 | 00:11:15,000 | 錢沒有回來 |
| 00:11:15,000 | 00:11:17,000 | 如果他沒有提出合理的清掌計畫 |
| 00:11:17,000 | 00:11:19,000 | 我們還是會申請管收 |
| 00:11:19,000 | 00:11:20,000 | 而且我們內部已經 |
| 00:11:20,000 | 00:11:21,000 | 他就沒有 |
| 00:11:21,000 | 00:11:23,000 | 不然你今天就給我們看 |
| 00:11:23,000 | 00:11:26,000 | 因為7月16號他提出來 |
| 00:11:26,000 | 00:11:27,000 | 我們不滿意 |
| 00:11:27,000 | 00:11:29,000 | 所以台湯公司有再特別請他 |
| 00:11:29,000 | 00:11:31,000 | 要提出合理的清掌計畫 |
| 00:11:31,000 | 00:11:32,000 | 我給你用常識想一想 |
| 00:11:32,000 | 00:11:33,000 | 放了20年 |
| 00:11:33,000 | 00:11:35,000 | 現在要管收策回來 |
| 00:11:35,000 | 00:11:37,000 | 然後吃這個吃的好穿的好 |
| 00:11:37,000 | 00:11:39,000 | 在外面過的優惠的生活 |
| 00:11:39,000 | 00:11:40,000 | 好請同學談 |
| 00:11:40,000 | 00:11:42,000 | 5月15號你取得報告 |
| 00:11:42,000 | 00:11:44,000 | 得知這個Bandle Pirate燒標 |
| 00:11:44,000 | 00:11:46,000 | 你有沒有報告經濟部 |
| 00:11:46,000 | 00:11:47,000 | 有沒有報告經濟部 |
| 00:11:47,000 | 00:11:49,000 | 國務部長你有收到這個訊息嗎 |
| 00:11:49,000 | 00:11:51,000 | 他有報告經濟部嗎 |
| 00:11:52,000 | 00:11:53,000 | 他不需要 |
| 00:11:53,000 | 00:11:54,000 | 有報告嗎 |
| 00:11:54,000 | 00:11:55,000 | 不需要 |
| 00:11:55,000 | 00:11:56,000 | 等一下公務長 |
| 00:11:56,000 | 00:11:57,000 | 我跟您討論一個邏輯 |
| 00:11:57,000 | 00:11:58,000 | 需不需要是一件事 |
| 00:11:58,000 | 00:12:00,000 | 我現在不問需不需要 |
| 00:12:00,000 | 00:12:01,000 | 我也不需要你們講的 |
| 00:12:01,000 | 00:12:03,000 | 這個隨便去解釋的依法通報 |
| 00:12:03,000 | 00:12:05,000 | 請問他有沒有通知 |
| 00:12:05,000 | 00:12:06,000 | 沒有 |
| 00:12:06,000 | 00:12:07,000 | 報告你沒有收到 |
| 00:12:07,000 | 00:12:08,000 | 對沒有 |
| 00:12:08,000 | 00:12:09,000 | 你沒有收到 |
| 00:12:09,000 | 00:12:10,000 | 對 |
| 00:12:10,000 | 00:12:12,000 | 好所以台湯沒有通告 |
| 00:12:12,000 | 00:12:14,000 | 通報這個上級長官 |
| 00:12:14,000 | 00:12:15,000 | 他不需要 |
| 00:12:15,000 | 00:12:16,000 | 他不需要 |
| 00:12:16,000 | 00:12:17,000 | 他不需要 |
| 00:12:17,000 | 00:12:19,000 | 部長我講的是兩件事 |
| 00:12:19,000 | 00:12:20,000 | 需不需要是一件事 |
| 00:12:20,000 | 00:12:22,000 | 在專業良知上責任上 |
| 00:12:22,000 | 00:12:24,000 | 是另外一件事情 |
| 00:12:24,000 | 00:12:26,000 | 好那請問台湯5月15號發言 |
| 00:12:26,000 | 00:12:29,000 | 有沒有通報地方衛生主管機關食藥署 |
| 00:12:29,000 | 00:12:30,000 | 有沒有 |
| 00:12:30,000 | 00:12:31,000 | 各位報告沒有 |
| 00:12:31,000 | 00:12:32,000 | 你每一項都沒有就對了 |
| 00:12:32,000 | 00:12:34,000 | 因為他這個不是通報 |
| 00:12:34,000 | 00:12:36,000 | 現在的食安法規定 |
| 00:12:36,000 | 00:12:37,000 | 所要通報的項目 |
| 00:12:37,000 | 00:12:38,000 | 他不是 |
| 00:12:38,000 | 00:12:40,000 | 這個食安法很多專家都有見解 |
| 00:12:40,000 | 00:12:42,000 | 有法學背景都有見解 |
| 00:12:42,000 | 00:12:44,000 | 那你說都完全都沒有通報 |
| 00:12:44,000 | 00:12:46,000 | 那就是把人給他殺掉了 |
| 00:12:46,000 | 00:12:48,000 | 你看到不合格的把人給他殺掉了 |
| 00:12:48,000 | 00:12:50,000 | 大家各掃門前前 |
| 00:12:50,000 | 00:12:52,000 | 台湯是國營事業 |
| 00:12:52,000 | 00:12:54,000 | 我們採購的不是最後的食用油 |
| 00:12:54,000 | 00:12:56,000 | 我們採購的是出油 |
| 00:12:56,000 | 00:12:57,000 | 是一個中間的產品 |
| 00:12:57,000 | 00:12:59,000 | 我要講今天你已經到這個程度了 |
| 00:12:59,000 | 00:13:01,000 | 全部的人都在講 |
| 00:13:01,000 | 00:13:02,000 | 我有沒有合法 |
| 00:13:02,000 | 00:13:04,000 | 我也對外部部長說 |
| 00:13:04,000 | 00:13:05,000 | 你只要輪落到 |
| 00:13:05,000 | 00:13:07,000 | 我有沒有違反哪一條法規 |
| 00:13:07,000 | 00:13:09,000 | 我們不只是要他合法 |
| 00:13:09,000 | 00:13:11,000 | 我們包括 |
| 00:13:11,000 | 00:13:14,000 | 我們現在所有的大豆沙拉油 |
| 00:13:14,000 | 00:13:16,000 | 跟他的相關的產品 |
| 00:13:16,000 | 00:13:17,000 | 我們驗出來都沒有問題 |
| 00:13:17,000 | 00:13:19,000 | 我們還是讓他下架 |
| 00:13:19,000 | 00:13:21,000 | 你現在已經出事了 |
| 00:13:21,000 | 00:13:23,000 | 你現在就說好 |
| 00:13:23,000 | 00:13:25,000 | 你當時看到了這麼危險 |
| 00:13:25,000 | 00:13:27,000 | 而且是最高7點多倍的鈔票 |
| 00:13:27,000 | 00:13:28,000 | 你什麼都沒做 |
| 00:13:28,000 | 00:13:29,000 | 也沒有報告經濟部 |
| 00:13:29,000 | 00:13:31,000 | 也沒有報告食藥署 |
| 00:13:31,000 | 00:13:33,000 | 也沒有報告地方衛生主管機關 |
| 00:13:33,000 | 00:13:34,000 | 對嗎 |
| 00:13:34,000 | 00:13:35,000 | 我這樣講有誤解嗎 |
| 00:13:35,000 | 00:13:37,000 | 可能有社會大眾有誤解 |
| 00:13:37,000 | 00:13:39,000 | 沒有所謂的7點多倍 |
| 00:13:39,000 | 00:13:41,000 | 好那我現在 |
| 00:13:41,000 | 00:13:42,000 | 因為部長也這樣說 |
| 00:13:42,000 | 00:13:43,000 | 你們沒有通報義務 |
| 00:13:43,000 | 00:13:44,000 | 你就大聲說 |
| 00:13:44,000 | 00:13:45,000 | 就在這裡大聲說 |
| 00:13:45,000 | 00:13:47,000 | 台糖沒有通報義務 |
| 00:13:47,000 | 00:13:48,000 | 你就這樣講 |
| 00:13:48,000 | 00:13:50,000 | 依照現在的食安法 |
| 00:13:50,000 | 00:13:52,000 | 他不是應該要通報的 |
| 00:13:52,000 | 00:13:53,000 | 台糖沒有通報義務 |
| 00:13:53,000 | 00:13:55,000 | 台糖只負責賺錢 |
| 00:13:55,000 | 00:13:58,000 | 台糖只負責用我們的納稅錢 |
| 00:13:58,000 | 00:14:00,000 | 所以人家欠了也不要回來 |
| 00:14:00,000 | 00:14:02,000 | 然後碰到看到人家做壞事 |
| 00:14:02,000 | 00:14:04,000 | 也都靜靜的不出征 |
| 00:14:04,000 | 00:14:05,000 | 把人家給撕破了 |
| 00:14:05,000 | 00:14:07,000 | 不會啦我們不會這樣做 |
| 00:14:07,000 | 00:14:10,000 | 好請謝謝主席 |
| 00:14:10,000 | 00:14:12,000 | 謝謝主席 |
| 00:14:12,000 | 00:14:14,000 | 好謝謝陳昭之委員 |