| IVOD_ID |
170873 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170873 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
25 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-10T10:07:20+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-10T10:18:21+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:01 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/11f3ac9a4aee4d253679e7586592be9a40bd953ec8f8f090df1af9cfe84b6b7ab066f83588e7a26e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱志偉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:07:20 - 10:18:21 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長率台灣糖業股份有限公司董事長、法務部首長、衛生福利部首長及審計部首長就「台灣糖業股份有限公司經營治理及風險控管之檢討—中聯油脂事件、台糖售地案等重大債權追償暨審計部114年度決算審核意見改善情形」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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邱志偉委員諮詢 |
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謝謝主席是不是請經濟部總部長台唐 |
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請經濟部部長台唐 |
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台唐副總 |
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然後江署長 |
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11號署江署長 |
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江署長謝謝 |
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邱委員早安 |
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謝謝部長謝謝署長還有副總 |
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就今天的報告內容 |
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37 |
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是針對台唐的經營治理跟風險管控 |
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那從中聯油紙這個事業來看 |
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40 |
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44 |
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這個一個公司的經營治理跟風險管控 |
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44 |
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46 |
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因為台唐是國營事業 |
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46 |
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47 |
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他是公務人員 |
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47 |
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49 |
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第一個他最基本的條件 |
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49 |
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51 |
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要做到合情合理 |
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51 |
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53 |
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而且要合法合規 |
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53 |
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56 |
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合法合規加上合憲合理 |
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56 |
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58 |
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大家如果這四個條件都做到 |
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58 |
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61 |
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經營治理跟風險管控 |
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61 |
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63 |
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基本上不會有太大的問題 |
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63 |
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66 |
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好從中聯油紙這個事業來看 |
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66 |
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68 |
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我看到貴部的報告 |
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68 |
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71 |
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你們去小港去做實地的查核 |
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71 |
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75 |
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那查核的結果有分三點 |
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75 |
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77 |
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在你們報告裡面也講 |
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77 |
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80 |
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包括他你們檢驗的結果 |
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80 |
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83 |
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以及第二次在521在6月11號 |
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84 |
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87 |
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今天的成果有合格 |
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87 |
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92 |
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合格跟這個之前的這個中聯油問題的成品 |
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92 |
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95 |
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有這個批號是完全沒有關係 |
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95 |
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96 |
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這第一點 |
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96 |
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100 |
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第二點台湯公司的自主檢查是機制很嚴謹 |
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100 |
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102 |
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第三方檢驗包括衛福部 |
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102 |
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105 |
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包括這個高雄市政衛生局的查驗 |
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105 |
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107 |
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都全部都合格 |
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107 |
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109 |
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從三點來看 |
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109 |
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112 |
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好今天的題目是經營治理 |
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112 |
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114 |
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風險控管 |
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114 |
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115 |
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我乍看之下 |
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115 |
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118 |
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是不是有很大的經營治理跟風險控管的問題 |
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118 |
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121 |
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就從中聯油紙這個事情來看 |
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121 |
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126 |
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您覺得台湯在這個經營治理跟風險控管 |
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126 |
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128 |
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表現怎麼樣 |
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128 |
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130 |
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部長 |
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130 |
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133 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
委員剛剛提到 |
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133 |
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135 |
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最重要公務員要合法合規 |
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135 |
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137 |
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合情合理 |
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137 |
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138 |
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合情合理 |
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138 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
140 |
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我想合法合規這個部分已經 |
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140 |
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141 |
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最基本 |
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141 |
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142 |
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包括食藥署 |
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142 |
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145 |
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包括地方政府都已經做了說明 |
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145 |
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148 |
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那合情合理的部分就是要自我要求很嚴格 |
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148 |
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149 |
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所以為什麼 |
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149 |
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151 |
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台湯有要求 |
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151 |
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153 |
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舉行三十二次的這個檢查 |
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153 |
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155 |
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那你看台湯有要求嚴格嗎 |
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155 |
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158 |
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包括自己的十二次檢查自主檢查 |
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158 |
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161 |
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地方政府說是相對嚴格 |
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161 |
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163 |
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所以他所有的油 |
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163 |
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165 |
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基本上通通是合規的 |
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165 |
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167 |
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所以他 |
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167 |
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169 |
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基本上合法合規 |
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169 |
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171 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
然後自主檢驗非常嚴格 |
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171 |
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173 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
又合情合理 |
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173 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
175 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
讓所有消費者能夠安心 |
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175 |
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177 |
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所以覺得這一次 |
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177 |
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179 |
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針對中聯油紙這個事件 |
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179 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
182 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
台湯的經營治理跟風險控管 |
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182 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
184 |
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表現的還可以 |
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184 |
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186 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
是的 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
186 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
188 |
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那個請教一下副總蔡委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
188 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
190 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
190 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
192 |
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那外界指引你們什麼 |
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192 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
195 |
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你們覺得在經營治理跟風險控管的部分 |
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195 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
197 |
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貴公司做的怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
197 |
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199 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
台湯公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
199 |
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201 |
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一直以來都是用最嚴格的標準 |
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201 |
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204 |
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在訂定我們的標準作業流程 |
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204 |
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206 |
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所以你基本上做到合法 |
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206 |
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208 |
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合規 |
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208 |
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210 |
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也做到兼顧合情合理 |
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210 |
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212 |
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是 |
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212 |
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214 |
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衛生無愧 |
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214 |
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216 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
第三方是食藥署 |
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216 |
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219 |
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食藥署也高頻率的去檢驗 |
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219 |
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221 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
食藥署檢驗了幾次 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
221 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
223 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
我們 |
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223 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
225 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
超過十次以上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
225 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
227 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
而且在轉時間之內 |
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227 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
229 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
我們在 |
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229 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
231 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
這一次的事件之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
231 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
233 |
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我們也再一次去確認 |
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233 |
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235 |
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不只是在台湯其他的三家 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
235 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
237 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
檢查結果如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
237 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
239 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
檢查結果都是合規的 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
239 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
241 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
我們有七個檢體 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
241 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
243 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
他做到合法 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
243 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
245 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
合規合情合理 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
245 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
247 |
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是不是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
247 |
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249 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
所以不管是從 |
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249 |
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251 |
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台湯或者都島台湯的經濟部 |
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251 |
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253 |
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或者第三方的食藥署 |
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253 |
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255 |
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都認為在中年幼子這個事件裡 |
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255 |
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259 |
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台湯的經營資金跟風險空間沒有問題 |
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261 |
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263 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
報告也寫得很清楚 |
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263 |
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265 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
好 |
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265 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
267 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
我第一個再看一下我的這個 |
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267 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
269 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
給經濟部的建議 |
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273 |
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275 |
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不是 |
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275 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
277 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
下一張 |
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277 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
279 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
下一張 |
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279 |
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281 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
不是下一張 |
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281 |
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283 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
這個 |
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283 |
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285 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
不是剛剛那一張 |
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285 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
287 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
跟這個 |
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287 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
289 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
南僑裁罰理由 |
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289 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
291 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
台北市衛生局 |
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291 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
293 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
他裁罰理由是什麼 |
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293 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
295 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
署長 |
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295 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
297 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
我跟你講就針對 |
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297 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
299 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
台北市裁罰南僑理由是 |
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299 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
301 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
南僑是買了 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
301 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
303 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
中聯電源的產品的油 |
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303 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
305 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
所以跟台湯的問題的本質 |
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305 |
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307 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
是不一樣的 |
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307 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
309 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
一個是要買回來經電 |
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309 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
311 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
一個是產品的油要給人家使用 |
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311 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
313 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
或者是要來做價格 |
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313 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
315 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
所以我已經把它混起來一起打 |
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315 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
317 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
這個完全是不同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
317 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
319 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
對於這個油採購的標的 |
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319 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
321 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
是完全不同的 |
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321 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
323 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
所以經濟部的報告給立法院的報告裡面 |
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323 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
325 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
根本合法 |
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325 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
327 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
合規合齊合理 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
327 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
329 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
然後把這個據說 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
329 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
331 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
的異常的批示 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
331 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
333 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
跟使用問題的油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
333 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
335 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
混為一談 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
335 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
337 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
把兩件完全本質不一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
337 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
339 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
事情去混為一談 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
339 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
341 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
造成民眾的錯誤認知 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
341 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
343 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
對台湯的商議是 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
343 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
345 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
一個非常大的影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
345 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
347 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
副總你也跟他委屈 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
347 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
349 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
349 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
351 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
351 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
353 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
你被外界這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
353 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
355 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
混起來一起打 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
355 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
357 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
你固然覺得委屈 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
357 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
359 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
但是你對商議要不要求償 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
359 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
361 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
這個我們事後會 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
361 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
363 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
會再跟他一起打 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
363 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
365 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
會再跟他一起打 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
365 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
367 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
這個我們事後會 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
367 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
369 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
會跟律師這邊來做檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
369 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
371 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
所以不管是台湯 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
371 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
373 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
或者是經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
373 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
375 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
應該把這兩件事情的本質 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
375 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
377 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
跟大家清楚的說明 |
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377 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
379 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
這完全不一樣的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
379 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
381 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
你把它混起來一起打 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
381 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
383 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
混淆這個民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
383 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
385 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
讓民眾產生憂慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
385 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
387 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
跟不安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
387 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
389 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
389 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
391 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
我覺得是別有動機 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
391 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
393 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
動機可異 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
393 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
395 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
那部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
395 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
397 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
你覺得這個部分要不要再做一些 |
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397 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
399 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
399 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
401 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
報委員事實上我們一再說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
401 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
403 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
就是說這是兩回事 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
403 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
405 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
一個是半成品的完全 |
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405 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
407 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
而且311那一桶 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
407 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
409 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
的出油 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
409 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
411 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
基本上還在中聯裡面沒有 |
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411 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
413 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
交易出來所以他基本上 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
413 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
415 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
因為台湯跟他講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
415 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
417 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
你這個可能不符合我們的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
417 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
419 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
所以他可能也沒有賣 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
419 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
421 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
他賣出來是其他的不合格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
421 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
423 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
那這個不合格的就是他中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
423 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
425 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
事實上他真的是不良 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
425 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
427 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
廠商所以該譴責的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
427 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
429 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
429 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
431 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
該譴責的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
431 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
433 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
因為台湯公司不可能是查 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
433 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
435 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
他所有的油其他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
435 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
437 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
單位應該要比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
437 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
439 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
積極的去檢查其他的油才對 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
439 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
441 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
讓他不敢賣出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
441 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
443 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
所以問題是中聯嘛對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
443 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
445 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
所以台湯有沒有覺得我做到要死 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
445 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
447 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
還有人也要死 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
447 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
449 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
我窮盡 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
449 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
451 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
所能去維護這個食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
453 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
455 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
法律相關的規定我全部遵守 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
455 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
457 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
而且要加強去辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
457 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
459 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
結果還是被外界 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
459 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
461 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
這個混為一談 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
461 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
463 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
463 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
465 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
這個要強力的去 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
465 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
467 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
回應甚至 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
467 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
469 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
要訴諸法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
469 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
471 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
如果對台湯的商譽 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
471 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
473 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
或是說會造成很大的影響的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
473 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
475 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
這個台湯也要考慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
475 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
477 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
好再下一張標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
477 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
479 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
479 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
481 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
出油有沒有訂這個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
481 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
483 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
通報義務怎麼認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
483 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
485 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
我想請問一下江署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
485 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
487 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
這個是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
487 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
489 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
製程中的一項還沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
489 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
491 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
決定要給民眾吃的 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
491 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
493 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
要經過精煉所以是沒有訂標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
493 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
495 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
訂的標準一定成品是可吃的 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
495 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
497 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
那如果是 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
497 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
499 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
按照相關的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
499 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
501 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
規定通報的前提是 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
501 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
503 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
有危害衛生安全之虞嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
503 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
505 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
這邊這邊委員說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
505 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
507 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
之前韓市講的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
507 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
509 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
蘇丹紅 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
509 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
511 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
蘇丹紅是不能添加的 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
511 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
513 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
所以他會跟這個15條 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
513 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
515 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
第三款完全不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
515 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
517 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
這是第七條第五項的 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
517 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
519 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
他沒有任何 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
519 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
521 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
還沒有進入我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
521 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
523 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
是不一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
523 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
525 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
沒有違反第七條第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
525 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
527 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
所謂危害衛生安全之虞 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
527 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
529 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
因為這個整個還沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
529 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
完全不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
533 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
所以我覺得這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
533 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
535 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
蘇丹也要去做一個說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
535 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
537 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
這兩件事情完全不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
537 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
539 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
就跟那個中聯營 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
539 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
541 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
跟台糖這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
541 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
543 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
為同胞完全不一樣的性質 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
543 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
545 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
跟委員報告一下我這邊其實是 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
545 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
547 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
要再次強烈的我在署內 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
547 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
549 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
一個多月來我們強力的 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
549 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
551 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
譴責中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
551 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
553 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
但是我並沒有聽到大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
553 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
555 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
對中聯一致的譴責 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
555 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
557 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
這件事情其實是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
557 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
559 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
很痛心的一件事情因為我們所有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
559 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
561 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
在中聯中聯的同仁們持續努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
561 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
563 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
為食品安全而把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
563 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
565 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
TFD2的同仁們去找出 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
565 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
567 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
所有的細節 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
567 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
569 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
把它精緻的區分 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
569 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
571 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
科學的區分讓民眾能夠安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
571 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
573 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
安全這個過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
573 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
575 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
我們對中聯的譴責以三家公司的 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
575 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
577 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
譴責我們不斷的說出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
577 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
579 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
可是我沒有聽到大家對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
579 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
581 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
中聯的譴責這是讓我比較痛心 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
581 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
583 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
583 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
585 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
我在這邊譴責 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
585 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
587 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
587 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
589 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
強力譴責 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
589 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
591 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
部長請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
591 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
593 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
像這個電價 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
593 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
595 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
因為十月份電價可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
595 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
597 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
會動漲 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
597 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
599 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
可能因為不是你說的算 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
599 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
601 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
因為要審議委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
601 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
603 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
動漲機會蠻大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
603 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
605 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
但如果這樣動漲的話對台電的財務 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
605 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
607 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
會造成更大的影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
607 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
609 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
那有沒有追加預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
609 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
611 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
來撥補台電的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
611 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
613 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
虧損的計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
613 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
615 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
615 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
617 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
因為照顧民生穩定物價 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
617 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
619 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
這是我們最大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
619 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
621 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
621 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
623 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
623 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
625 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
那台電也不能倒 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
625 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
627 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
那所以這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
627 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
629 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
我們的確是有跟主委總處 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
629 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
631 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
在討論這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
631 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
633 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
是不是可以透過 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
633 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
635 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
什麼樣的形式 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
635 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
637 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
現在正在進行中 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
637 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
639 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
透過追加預算的撥補台電 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
639 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
641 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
因為動漲造成損失 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
641 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
643 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
維持民生電價 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
643 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
645 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
維持民生電價的穩定 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
645 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
647 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
讓民眾安心這個是我們最大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
647 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
649 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
649 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
651 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
那另外一個共識是說台電也不能讓它倒 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
651 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
653 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
也不能讓它財務結構一再惡化 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
653 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
655 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
這部分我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
655 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
657 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
還是要跟主委總處更新多加支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
657 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
659 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-08-10T10:07:34.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-08-10T10:07:37.370000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].text |
謝謝主席，是不是請經濟部龔部長、台糖副總及食藥署姜署長？ |
| transcript.gazette[0].quality |
0.52 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-08-10T10:07:38+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-08-10T10:07:45.800000+08:00 |
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請經濟部部長、台糖及姜署長，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-08-10T10:07:46+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-08-10T10:07:46.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
邱委員早安。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-08-10T10:07:47+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-08-10T10:07:49.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
謝謝部長、署長還有副總。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-08-10T10:07:50.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-08-10T10:08:03.750000+08:00 |
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今天的報告內容是針對台糖的經營治理跟風險管控，從中聯油脂這個事件來看一個公司的經營治理跟風險管控。 |
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0.915 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-08-10T10:08:04+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-08-10T10:08:22.818182+08:00 |
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因為台糖是國營事業，他們是公務人員，第一個最基本的條件，要做到合情合理，而且要合法合規，合法合規加上合情合理，大家都知道如果這四個條件都做到，經營治理跟風險管控基本上不會有太大的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-08-10T10:08:23.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-08-10T10:09:06.666667+08:00 |
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從中聯油脂這個事件來看，我看貴部的報告，你們去小港做實地查核，查核的結果有分三點，在你們的報告裡面也有講到，包括你們檢驗的結果，以及第二次在5月21日、6月11日檢驗的結果有合格，跟之前中聯問題成品油的批號完全沒有關係，這是第一點；第二點，台糖公司的自主檢查機制很嚴謹；第三，第三方的檢驗包括衛福部、高雄市政府衛生局的查驗都全部合格。 |
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0.863 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-08-10T10:09:07+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-08-10T10:09:17.842105+08:00 |
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從這三點來看，今天的題目是經營治理、風險控管，乍看之下是不是有很大的經營治理跟風險控管的問題？ |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.977 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-08-10T10:09:18+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-08-10T10:09:26.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
就從中聯油脂這個事情來看，部長覺得台糖在經營治理跟風險控管的表現如何？ |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.758 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-08-10T10:09:30+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-08-10T10:09:34.818182+08:00 |
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報告委員，剛剛委員提到，公務人員最重要是合法、合規嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.565 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-08-10T10:09:35+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-08-10T10:09:36.500000+08:00 |
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合情合理。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-08-10T10:09:37+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-08-10T10:09:37.750000+08:00 |
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合情合理。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-08-10T10:09:38+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-08-10T10:09:39.833333+08:00 |
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我想合法合規這個部分已經…… |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-08-10T10:09:40+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-08-10T10:09:40.666667+08:00 |
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最基本的。 |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-08-10T10:09:41+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-08-10T10:09:48.800000+08:00 |
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包括食藥署及地方政府都已經說明，而合情、合理的部分就是自我要求很嚴格，所以為什麼它…… |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-08-10T10:09:53.181818+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-08-10T10:09:54.818182+08:00 |
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依你看台糖自我要求嚴格嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.583 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-08-10T10:09:55+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-08-10T10:09:58.900000+08:00 |
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辦理32次檢查，包括自己的12次自主檢查，地方政府10次、中央政府10次。 |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.56 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-08-10T10:09:59.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-08-10T10:10:00.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
你的說法相對嚴格。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-08-10T10:10:01+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-08-10T10:10:04.777778+08:00 |
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對，所以他所有的油基本上通通是合規的。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-08-10T10:10:06.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-08-10T10:10:25+08:00 |
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他基本上合法、合規，然後自主檢驗非常嚴格，又合情、合理，讓所有消費者能夠安心嘛，所以覺得這一次針對中聯油脂這個事件，台糖的的經營治理跟風險控管表現得還可以？是的。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-08-10T10:10:26.363636+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-08-10T10:10:31.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
請教一下蔡副總，外界質疑你們什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-08-10T10:10:32+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-08-10T10:10:36.750000+08:00 |
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你們覺得在經營治理跟風險控管的部分貴公司做得怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-08-10T10:10:38+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-08-10T10:10:43.750000+08:00 |
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台糖公司一直以來都是用最嚴格的標準在訂定我們的標準作業流程。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.931 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-08-10T10:10:44+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-08-10T10:10:50+08:00 |
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所以你們基本上做到合法、合規，也兼顧合情、合理？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-08-10T10:10:53+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-08-10T10:10:53.500000+08:00 |
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問心無愧？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-08-10T10:10:53.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-08-10T10:10:54.500000+08:00 |
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問心無愧。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-08-10T10:10:54+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-08-10T10:11:00.750000+08:00 |
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第三方是食藥署，食藥署也高頻率的去檢驗，食藥署檢驗了幾次？ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-08-10T10:11:01+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-08-10T10:11:04.428571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
我們超過10次以上。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-08-10T10:11:05+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-08-10T10:11:06.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
而且在短時間之內？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-08-10T10:11:09+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-08-10T10:11:14.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
對，這一次的事件之後，我們也再一次去確認，不只是在台糖，其他三家也共同確認。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.758 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-08-10T10:11:15+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-08-10T10:11:16+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
檢查結果呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-08-10T10:11:17+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-08-10T10:11:20.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
檢查結果都是合規的，總共有7個檢體。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-08-10T10:11:21+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-08-10T10:11:26.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
合規的意思就是他做到合法、合規、合情、合理，是不是這樣子？是的。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.654 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-08-10T10:11:27+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-08-10T10:11:42.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
所以不管是台糖、督導台糖的經濟部或第三方的食藥署，都認為在中聯油脂這個事件，台糖的經營跟風險控管沒有問題，報告也寫得很清楚。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.772 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-08-10T10:11:45.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-08-10T10:12:12.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
再看一下我給經濟部的建議，臺北市衛生局對南僑裁罰的理由是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.862 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-08-10T10:12:17+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-08-10T10:12:22.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
臺北市裁罰南僑理由是南僑是買了中聯的油…… |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-08-10T10:12:23+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-08-10T10:12:26.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
所以跟台糖問題的本質是不一樣的。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-08-10T10:12:27+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-08-10T10:12:32.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
對，一個是要買回來精煉，一個是成品的油要給人家食用，或者要來做加工食品。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.719 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-08-10T10:12:33.769231+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-08-10T10:12:34.846154+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
外界把它混起來一起打，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.615 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-08-10T10:12:35+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-08-10T10:12:40.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
這完全是不同的，對於採購油的標的是完全不同的。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-08-10T10:12:41+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-08-10T10:13:06.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
所以經濟部給立法院的報告裡面根本合法、合規、合情、合理，然後把拒收的、異常的批次跟使用問題的油品混為一談，把兩件本質完全不一樣的事情混為一談，造成民眾的錯誤認知，對台糖的商譽有非常大的影響，副總，你覺得有委屈嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.853 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-08-10T10:13:07+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-08-10T10:13:10.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
是，謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-08-10T10:13:11+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-08-10T10:13:18.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
那你被外界這樣混起來一起打，你固然覺得委屈，但是你對商譽的損失要不要求償？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.853 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-08-10T10:13:19+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-08-10T10:13:28.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
這個我們事後會跟律師來檢討。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-08-10T10:13:29+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-08-10T10:13:52+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
所以不管是台糖或經濟部，應該把這兩件事情的本質跟大家清楚說明，這是完全不一樣的事情，你把它混起來一起打，混淆民眾，讓民眾產生憂慮跟不安心，這個我覺得是別有動機，動機可議。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.948 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-08-10T10:13:53.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-08-10T10:13:58.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
部長，你覺得這個部分要不要再做一些說明？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-08-10T10:13:59+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-08-10T10:14:40.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
報告委員，事實上，我們一再說明，這是兩回事，一個是半成品，而且311那一桶的粗油，基本上還在中聯，沒有交易出來，因為台糖跟他講，你這個可能不符合我們的標準，所以他可能也沒有賣，賣出來的是其他不合格的，這個不合格的就是中聯……事實上中聯真的是不良廠商，所以該譴責的是……因為台糖公司不可能查他所有的油，其他的單位應該要比較積極的去檢查其他的油才對，讓他不敢賣出來。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.943 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-08-10T10:14:41+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-08-10T10:14:42.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
所以問題在中聯，對不對？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-08-10T10:14:43+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-08-10T10:15:14.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
所以台糖會覺得我做得要死，還被人罵得要死，我窮盡所能去維護食安，法律相關的規定我全部遵守，而且要加強去辦理，結果還是被外界混為一談，這個要強力去回應，甚至要訴諸法律，如果對台糖的商譽或實質收益造成很大的影響的話，台糖也要考慮。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.854 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-08-10T10:15:19.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-08-10T10:15:20.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
粗油有沒有訂標準？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-08-10T10:15:21+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-08-10T10:15:22.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
通報義務怎麼認定？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-08-10T10:15:23+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-08-10T10:15:24.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
我想請問一下姜署長。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-08-10T10:15:25+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-08-10T10:15:33.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
這個是在製程中的一項，還沒有決定要給民眾吃的，要經過精煉，所以是沒有定標準的。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-08-10T10:15:33.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-08-10T10:15:34.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
定了標準一定是成品，是可吃的。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-08-10T10:15:35.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-08-10T10:15:42.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
好，如果按照相關的法律規定，通報的前提是有危害衛生安全之虞。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-08-10T10:15:43.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-08-10T10:15:50.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
跟委員說明一下，之前的函釋講的是蘇丹紅，蘇丹紅是不能添加的。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.821 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-08-10T10:15:50.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-08-10T10:15:52+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
所以它會落到第十五條第一項第三款…… |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.188 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-08-10T10:15:52+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-08-10T10:15:54.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
就跟這個事情不一樣嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-08-10T10:15:55+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-08-10T10:16:00+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
這是第七條第五項的，它還沒有進入…… |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-08-10T10:16:01.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-08-10T10:16:02.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
這完全不一樣嘛，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.3 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-08-10T10:16:03+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-08-10T10:16:08.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
沒有違反第七條第五項所謂危害衛生安全之虞，因為這個根本還沒有交給民眾…… |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-08-10T10:16:09+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-08-10T10:16:10.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
這兩件事情完全不一樣嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.455 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-08-10T10:16:10.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-08-10T10:16:11.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
不一樣的。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-08-10T10:16:11+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-08-10T10:16:22.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
所以，我覺得署長要去做一個說明，這兩件事情完全不一樣，中聯油脂跟台糖這個事情，未通報是完全不一樣的性質。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.809 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-08-10T10:16:23+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-08-10T10:17:02.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
跟委員報告一下，我這邊要再次強烈的……我們在署內一個多月來強力譴責中聯，但是我並沒有聽到大家對於中聯一致的譴責，這其實是我們很痛心的一件事情，因為我們所有的員工、同仁們持續努力，為食品安全把關，TFDA的同仁們去找出所有的細節，把它精緻的區分、科學的區分，讓民眾能夠安心安全，在這個過程當中，我們對於中聯及三家公司的譴責，我們不斷的說出來，可是我沒有聽到大家對於中聯的譴責，這是讓我比較痛心的地方。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.956 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-08-10T10:17:03+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-08-10T10:17:04.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
我在這邊譴責啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-08-10T10:17:05+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-08-10T10:17:06.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-08-10T10:17:07+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-08-10T10:17:08.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
強力譴責。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-08-10T10:17:09+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-08-10T10:17:16.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
部長，請教一下10月份電價可能會凍漲，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-08-10T10:17:17.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-08-10T10:17:20.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
不是你說了算啦，審議委員會決定。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-08-10T10:17:21.285714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-08-10T10:17:32.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
凍漲的機會滿大的，但這樣凍漲，會對台電的財務造成更大的影響，請問有沒有追加預算來撥補台電虧損的計畫？ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.804 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-08-10T10:17:33+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-08-10T10:17:37.857143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
是，照顧民生、穩定物價是我們…… |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-08-10T10:17:38.142857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-08-10T10:17:42+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
最大的目標。政策。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-08-10T10:17:43+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-08-10T10:17:44.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
那台電也不能倒啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-08-10T10:17:45.285714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-08-10T10:17:54.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
是，所以我們的確有跟主計總處在討論這件事情，是不是可以透過什麼樣的形式…… |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-08-10T10:17:55+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-08-10T10:17:56.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
現在正在進行中？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-08-10T10:17:57+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-08-10T10:18:08+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
你要透過追加預算來撥補台電因為凍漲造成的損失，維持民生電價的穩定，讓民眾安心，這是我們最大的共識。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-08-10T10:18:09.117647+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-08-10T10:18:10.882353+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
另外一個共識是，也不能讓台電倒。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-08-10T10:18:11+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-08-10T10:18:18+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
也不能讓它財務結構一再惡化，這部分我想還是要主計總處跟行政院多加支持。是。謝謝。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-08-10T10:18:18.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-08-10T10:18:23.071429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
謝謝邱志偉委員，謝謝部長、署長跟台糖。 |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-08-10T10:18:23.371429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-08-10T10:18:26.514286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
接下來請謝衣鳯委員質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0 |