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邱志偉 @ 第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:02,000 | 邱志偉委員諮詢 |
| 00:00:14,640 | 00:00:18,000 | 謝謝主席是不是請經濟部總部長台唐 |
| 00:00:18,000 | 00:00:20,000 | 請經濟部部長台唐 |
| 00:00:20,000 | 00:00:21,000 | 台唐副總 |
| 00:00:21,000 | 00:00:23,000 | 然後江署長 |
| 00:00:23,000 | 00:00:25,000 | 11號署江署長 |
| 00:00:25,000 | 00:00:26,000 | 江署長謝謝 |
| 00:00:26,000 | 00:00:27,000 | 邱委員早安 |
| 00:00:27,000 | 00:00:30,000 | 謝謝部長謝謝署長還有副總 |
| 00:00:30,000 | 00:00:32,000 | 就今天的報告內容 |
| 00:00:32,000 | 00:00:37,000 | 是針對台唐的經營治理跟風險管控 |
| 00:00:37,000 | 00:00:40,000 | 那從中聯油紙這個事業來看 |
| 00:00:40,000 | 00:00:44,000 | 這個一個公司的經營治理跟風險管控 |
| 00:00:44,000 | 00:00:46,000 | 因為台唐是國營事業 |
| 00:00:46,000 | 00:00:47,000 | 他是公務人員 |
| 00:00:47,000 | 00:00:49,000 | 第一個他最基本的條件 |
| 00:00:49,000 | 00:00:51,000 | 要做到合情合理 |
| 00:00:51,000 | 00:00:53,000 | 而且要合法合規 |
| 00:00:53,000 | 00:00:56,000 | 合法合規加上合憲合理 |
| 00:00:56,000 | 00:00:58,000 | 大家如果這四個條件都做到 |
| 00:00:58,000 | 00:01:01,000 | 經營治理跟風險管控 |
| 00:01:01,000 | 00:01:03,000 | 基本上不會有太大的問題 |
| 00:01:03,000 | 00:01:06,000 | 好從中聯油紙這個事業來看 |
| 00:01:06,000 | 00:01:08,000 | 我看到貴部的報告 |
| 00:01:08,000 | 00:01:11,000 | 你們去小港去做實地的查核 |
| 00:01:11,000 | 00:01:15,000 | 那查核的結果有分三點 |
| 00:01:15,000 | 00:01:17,000 | 在你們報告裡面也講 |
| 00:01:17,000 | 00:01:20,000 | 包括他你們檢驗的結果 |
| 00:01:20,000 | 00:01:23,000 | 以及第二次在521在6月11號 |
| 00:01:24,000 | 00:01:27,000 | 今天的成果有合格 |
| 00:01:27,000 | 00:01:32,000 | 合格跟這個之前的這個中聯油問題的成品 |
| 00:01:32,000 | 00:01:35,000 | 有這個批號是完全沒有關係 |
| 00:01:35,000 | 00:01:36,000 | 這第一點 |
| 00:01:36,000 | 00:01:40,000 | 第二點台湯公司的自主檢查是機制很嚴謹 |
| 00:01:40,000 | 00:01:42,000 | 第三方檢驗包括衛福部 |
| 00:01:42,000 | 00:01:45,000 | 包括這個高雄市政衛生局的查驗 |
| 00:01:45,000 | 00:01:47,000 | 都全部都合格 |
| 00:01:47,000 | 00:01:49,000 | 從三點來看 |
| 00:01:49,000 | 00:01:52,000 | 好今天的題目是經營治理 |
| 00:01:52,000 | 00:01:54,000 | 風險控管 |
| 00:01:54,000 | 00:01:55,000 | 我乍看之下 |
| 00:01:55,000 | 00:01:58,000 | 是不是有很大的經營治理跟風險控管的問題 |
| 00:01:58,000 | 00:02:01,000 | 就從中聯油紙這個事情來看 |
| 00:02:01,000 | 00:02:06,000 | 您覺得台湯在這個經營治理跟風險控管 |
| 00:02:06,000 | 00:02:08,000 | 表現怎麼樣 |
| 00:02:08,000 | 00:02:10,000 | 部長 |
| 00:02:10,000 | 00:02:13,000 | 委員剛剛提到 |
| 00:02:13,000 | 00:02:15,000 | 最重要公務員要合法合規 |
| 00:02:15,000 | 00:02:17,000 | 合情合理 |
| 00:02:17,000 | 00:02:18,000 | 合情合理 |
| 00:02:18,000 | 00:02:20,000 | 我想合法合規這個部分已經 |
| 00:02:20,000 | 00:02:21,000 | 最基本 |
| 00:02:21,000 | 00:02:22,000 | 包括食藥署 |
| 00:02:22,000 | 00:02:25,000 | 包括地方政府都已經做了說明 |
| 00:02:25,000 | 00:02:28,000 | 那合情合理的部分就是要自我要求很嚴格 |
| 00:02:28,000 | 00:02:29,000 | 所以為什麼 |
| 00:02:29,000 | 00:02:31,000 | 台湯有要求 |
| 00:02:31,000 | 00:02:33,000 | 舉行三十二次的這個檢查 |
| 00:02:33,000 | 00:02:35,000 | 那你看台湯有要求嚴格嗎 |
| 00:02:35,000 | 00:02:38,000 | 包括自己的十二次檢查自主檢查 |
| 00:02:38,000 | 00:02:41,000 | 地方政府說是相對嚴格 |
| 00:02:41,000 | 00:02:43,000 | 所以他所有的油 |
| 00:02:43,000 | 00:02:45,000 | 基本上通通是合規的 |
| 00:02:45,000 | 00:02:47,000 | 所以他 |
| 00:02:47,000 | 00:02:49,000 | 基本上合法合規 |
| 00:02:49,000 | 00:02:51,000 | 然後自主檢驗非常嚴格 |
| 00:02:51,000 | 00:02:53,000 | 又合情合理 |
| 00:02:53,000 | 00:02:55,000 | 讓所有消費者能夠安心 |
| 00:02:55,000 | 00:02:57,000 | 所以覺得這一次 |
| 00:02:57,000 | 00:02:59,000 | 針對中聯油紙這個事件 |
| 00:02:59,000 | 00:03:02,000 | 台湯的經營治理跟風險控管 |
| 00:03:02,000 | 00:03:04,000 | 表現的還可以 |
| 00:03:04,000 | 00:03:06,000 | 是的 |
| 00:03:06,000 | 00:03:08,000 | 那個請教一下副總蔡委員 |
| 00:03:08,000 | 00:03:10,000 | 好 |
| 00:03:10,000 | 00:03:12,000 | 那外界指引你們什麼 |
| 00:03:12,000 | 00:03:15,000 | 你們覺得在經營治理跟風險控管的部分 |
| 00:03:15,000 | 00:03:17,000 | 貴公司做的怎麼樣 |
| 00:03:17,000 | 00:03:19,000 | 台湯公司 |
| 00:03:19,000 | 00:03:21,000 | 一直以來都是用最嚴格的標準 |
| 00:03:21,000 | 00:03:24,000 | 在訂定我們的標準作業流程 |
| 00:03:24,000 | 00:03:26,000 | 所以你基本上做到合法 |
| 00:03:26,000 | 00:03:28,000 | 合規 |
| 00:03:28,000 | 00:03:30,000 | 也做到兼顧合情合理 |
| 00:03:30,000 | 00:03:32,000 | 是 |
| 00:03:32,000 | 00:03:34,000 | 衛生無愧 |
| 00:03:34,000 | 00:03:36,000 | 第三方是食藥署 |
| 00:03:36,000 | 00:03:39,000 | 食藥署也高頻率的去檢驗 |
| 00:03:39,000 | 00:03:41,000 | 食藥署檢驗了幾次 |
| 00:03:41,000 | 00:03:43,000 | 我們 |
| 00:03:43,000 | 00:03:45,000 | 超過十次以上的 |
| 00:03:45,000 | 00:03:47,000 | 而且在轉時間之內 |
| 00:03:47,000 | 00:03:49,000 | 我們在 |
| 00:03:49,000 | 00:03:51,000 | 這一次的事件之後 |
| 00:03:51,000 | 00:03:53,000 | 我們也再一次去確認 |
| 00:03:53,000 | 00:03:55,000 | 不只是在台湯其他的三家 |
| 00:03:55,000 | 00:03:57,000 | 檢查結果如何 |
| 00:03:57,000 | 00:03:59,000 | 檢查結果都是合規的 |
| 00:03:59,000 | 00:04:01,000 | 我們有七個檢體 |
| 00:04:01,000 | 00:04:03,000 | 他做到合法 |
| 00:04:03,000 | 00:04:05,000 | 合規合情合理 |
| 00:04:05,000 | 00:04:07,000 | 是不是這樣子 |
| 00:04:07,000 | 00:04:09,000 | 所以不管是從 |
| 00:04:09,000 | 00:04:11,000 | 台湯或者都島台湯的經濟部 |
| 00:04:11,000 | 00:04:13,000 | 或者第三方的食藥署 |
| 00:04:13,000 | 00:04:15,000 | 都認為在中年幼子這個事件裡 |
| 00:04:15,000 | 00:04:19,000 | 台湯的經營資金跟風險空間沒有問題 |
| 00:04:21,000 | 00:04:23,000 | 報告也寫得很清楚 |
| 00:04:23,000 | 00:04:25,000 | 好 |
| 00:04:25,000 | 00:04:27,000 | 我第一個再看一下我的這個 |
| 00:04:27,000 | 00:04:29,000 | 給經濟部的建議 |
| 00:04:33,000 | 00:04:35,000 | 不是 |
| 00:04:35,000 | 00:04:37,000 | 下一張 |
| 00:04:37,000 | 00:04:39,000 | 下一張 |
| 00:04:39,000 | 00:04:41,000 | 不是下一張 |
| 00:04:41,000 | 00:04:43,000 | 這個 |
| 00:04:43,000 | 00:04:45,000 | 不是剛剛那一張 |
| 00:04:45,000 | 00:04:47,000 | 跟這個 |
| 00:04:47,000 | 00:04:49,000 | 南僑裁罰理由 |
| 00:04:49,000 | 00:04:51,000 | 台北市衛生局 |
| 00:04:51,000 | 00:04:53,000 | 他裁罰理由是什麼 |
| 00:04:53,000 | 00:04:55,000 | 署長 |
| 00:04:55,000 | 00:04:57,000 | 我跟你講就針對 |
| 00:04:57,000 | 00:04:59,000 | 台北市裁罰南僑理由是 |
| 00:04:59,000 | 00:05:01,000 | 南僑是買了 |
| 00:05:01,000 | 00:05:03,000 | 中聯電源的產品的油 |
| 00:05:03,000 | 00:05:05,000 | 所以跟台湯的問題的本質 |
| 00:05:05,000 | 00:05:07,000 | 是不一樣的 |
| 00:05:07,000 | 00:05:09,000 | 一個是要買回來經電 |
| 00:05:09,000 | 00:05:11,000 | 一個是產品的油要給人家使用 |
| 00:05:11,000 | 00:05:13,000 | 或者是要來做價格 |
| 00:05:13,000 | 00:05:15,000 | 所以我已經把它混起來一起打 |
| 00:05:15,000 | 00:05:17,000 | 這個完全是不同的 |
| 00:05:17,000 | 00:05:19,000 | 對於這個油採購的標的 |
| 00:05:19,000 | 00:05:21,000 | 是完全不同的 |
| 00:05:21,000 | 00:05:23,000 | 所以經濟部的報告給立法院的報告裡面 |
| 00:05:23,000 | 00:05:25,000 | 根本合法 |
| 00:05:25,000 | 00:05:27,000 | 合規合齊合理 |
| 00:05:27,000 | 00:05:29,000 | 然後把這個據說 |
| 00:05:29,000 | 00:05:31,000 | 的異常的批示 |
| 00:05:31,000 | 00:05:33,000 | 跟使用問題的油品 |
| 00:05:33,000 | 00:05:35,000 | 混為一談 |
| 00:05:35,000 | 00:05:37,000 | 把兩件完全本質不一樣的 |
| 00:05:37,000 | 00:05:39,000 | 事情去混為一談 |
| 00:05:39,000 | 00:05:41,000 | 造成民眾的錯誤認知 |
| 00:05:41,000 | 00:05:43,000 | 對台湯的商議是 |
| 00:05:43,000 | 00:05:45,000 | 一個非常大的影響 |
| 00:05:45,000 | 00:05:47,000 | 副總你也跟他委屈 |
| 00:05:47,000 | 00:05:49,000 | 是 |
| 00:05:49,000 | 00:05:51,000 | 謝謝委員 |
| 00:05:51,000 | 00:05:53,000 | 你被外界這樣子 |
| 00:05:53,000 | 00:05:55,000 | 混起來一起打 |
| 00:05:55,000 | 00:05:57,000 | 你固然覺得委屈 |
| 00:05:57,000 | 00:05:59,000 | 但是你對商議要不要求償 |
| 00:05:59,000 | 00:06:01,000 | 這個我們事後會 |
| 00:06:01,000 | 00:06:03,000 | 會再跟他一起打 |
| 00:06:03,000 | 00:06:05,000 | 會再跟他一起打 |
| 00:06:05,000 | 00:06:07,000 | 這個我們事後會 |
| 00:06:07,000 | 00:06:09,000 | 會跟律師這邊來做檢討 |
| 00:06:09,000 | 00:06:11,000 | 所以不管是台湯 |
| 00:06:11,000 | 00:06:13,000 | 或者是經濟部 |
| 00:06:13,000 | 00:06:15,000 | 應該把這兩件事情的本質 |
| 00:06:15,000 | 00:06:17,000 | 跟大家清楚的說明 |
| 00:06:17,000 | 00:06:19,000 | 這完全不一樣的事情 |
| 00:06:19,000 | 00:06:21,000 | 你把它混起來一起打 |
| 00:06:21,000 | 00:06:23,000 | 混淆這個民眾 |
| 00:06:23,000 | 00:06:25,000 | 讓民眾產生憂慮 |
| 00:06:25,000 | 00:06:27,000 | 跟不安心 |
| 00:06:27,000 | 00:06:29,000 | 這個 |
| 00:06:29,000 | 00:06:31,000 | 我覺得是別有動機 |
| 00:06:31,000 | 00:06:33,000 | 動機可異 |
| 00:06:33,000 | 00:06:35,000 | 那部長 |
| 00:06:35,000 | 00:06:37,000 | 你覺得這個部分要不要再做一些 |
| 00:06:37,000 | 00:06:39,000 | 的說明 |
| 00:06:39,000 | 00:06:41,000 | 報委員事實上我們一再說明 |
| 00:06:41,000 | 00:06:43,000 | 就是說這是兩回事 |
| 00:06:43,000 | 00:06:45,000 | 一個是半成品的完全 |
| 00:06:45,000 | 00:06:47,000 | 而且311那一桶 |
| 00:06:47,000 | 00:06:49,000 | 的出油 |
| 00:06:49,000 | 00:06:51,000 | 基本上還在中聯裡面沒有 |
| 00:06:51,000 | 00:06:53,000 | 交易出來所以他基本上 |
| 00:06:53,000 | 00:06:55,000 | 因為台湯跟他講說 |
| 00:06:55,000 | 00:06:57,000 | 你這個可能不符合我們的標準 |
| 00:06:57,000 | 00:06:59,000 | 所以他可能也沒有賣 |
| 00:06:59,000 | 00:07:01,000 | 他賣出來是其他的不合格的 |
| 00:07:01,000 | 00:07:03,000 | 那這個不合格的就是他中聯 |
| 00:07:03,000 | 00:07:05,000 | 事實上他真的是不良 |
| 00:07:05,000 | 00:07:07,000 | 廠商所以該譴責的是 |
| 00:07:07,000 | 00:07:09,000 | 中聯 |
| 00:07:09,000 | 00:07:11,000 | 該譴責的是 |
| 00:07:11,000 | 00:07:13,000 | 因為台湯公司不可能是查 |
| 00:07:13,000 | 00:07:15,000 | 他所有的油其他的 |
| 00:07:15,000 | 00:07:17,000 | 單位應該要比較 |
| 00:07:17,000 | 00:07:19,000 | 積極的去檢查其他的油才對 |
| 00:07:19,000 | 00:07:21,000 | 讓他不敢賣出來 |
| 00:07:21,000 | 00:07:23,000 | 所以問題是中聯嘛對不對 |
| 00:07:23,000 | 00:07:25,000 | 所以台湯有沒有覺得我做到要死 |
| 00:07:25,000 | 00:07:27,000 | 還有人也要死 |
| 00:07:27,000 | 00:07:29,000 | 我窮盡 |
| 00:07:29,000 | 00:07:31,000 | 所能去維護這個食安 |
| 00:07:33,000 | 00:07:35,000 | 法律相關的規定我全部遵守 |
| 00:07:35,000 | 00:07:37,000 | 而且要加強去辦理 |
| 00:07:37,000 | 00:07:39,000 | 結果還是被外界 |
| 00:07:39,000 | 00:07:41,000 | 這個混為一談 |
| 00:07:41,000 | 00:07:43,000 | 這個是 |
| 00:07:43,000 | 00:07:45,000 | 這個要強力的去 |
| 00:07:45,000 | 00:07:47,000 | 回應甚至 |
| 00:07:47,000 | 00:07:49,000 | 要訴諸法律 |
| 00:07:49,000 | 00:07:51,000 | 如果對台湯的商譽 |
| 00:07:51,000 | 00:07:53,000 | 或是說會造成很大的影響的話 |
| 00:07:53,000 | 00:07:55,000 | 這個台湯也要考慮 |
| 00:07:55,000 | 00:07:57,000 | 好再下一張標準 |
| 00:07:57,000 | 00:07:59,000 | 這個 |
| 00:07:59,000 | 00:08:01,000 | 出油有沒有訂這個標準 |
| 00:08:01,000 | 00:08:03,000 | 通報義務怎麼認定 |
| 00:08:03,000 | 00:08:05,000 | 我想請問一下江署長 |
| 00:08:05,000 | 00:08:07,000 | 這個是在 |
| 00:08:07,000 | 00:08:09,000 | 製程中的一項還沒有 |
| 00:08:09,000 | 00:08:11,000 | 決定要給民眾吃的 |
| 00:08:11,000 | 00:08:13,000 | 要經過精煉所以是沒有訂標準 |
| 00:08:13,000 | 00:08:15,000 | 訂的標準一定成品是可吃的 |
| 00:08:15,000 | 00:08:17,000 | 那如果是 |
| 00:08:17,000 | 00:08:19,000 | 按照相關的法律 |
| 00:08:19,000 | 00:08:21,000 | 規定通報的前提是 |
| 00:08:21,000 | 00:08:23,000 | 有危害衛生安全之虞嗎 |
| 00:08:23,000 | 00:08:25,000 | 這邊這邊委員說明一下 |
| 00:08:25,000 | 00:08:27,000 | 之前韓市講的是 |
| 00:08:27,000 | 00:08:29,000 | 蘇丹紅 |
| 00:08:29,000 | 00:08:31,000 | 蘇丹紅是不能添加的 |
| 00:08:31,000 | 00:08:33,000 | 所以他會跟這個15條 |
| 00:08:33,000 | 00:08:35,000 | 第三款完全不一樣 |
| 00:08:35,000 | 00:08:37,000 | 這是第七條第五項的 |
| 00:08:37,000 | 00:08:39,000 | 他沒有任何 |
| 00:08:39,000 | 00:08:41,000 | 還沒有進入我們的 |
| 00:08:41,000 | 00:08:43,000 | 是不一樣的 |
| 00:08:43,000 | 00:08:45,000 | 沒有違反第七條第五項 |
| 00:08:45,000 | 00:08:47,000 | 所謂危害衛生安全之虞 |
| 00:08:47,000 | 00:08:49,000 | 因為這個整個還沒有 |
| 00:08:49,000 | 00:08:51,000 | 完全不一樣 |
| 00:08:51,000 | 00:08:53,000 | 所以我覺得這個 |
| 00:08:53,000 | 00:08:55,000 | 蘇丹也要去做一個說明 |
| 00:08:55,000 | 00:08:57,000 | 這兩件事情完全不一樣 |
| 00:08:57,000 | 00:08:59,000 | 就跟那個中聯營 |
| 00:08:59,000 | 00:09:01,000 | 跟台糖這個事情 |
| 00:09:01,000 | 00:09:03,000 | 為同胞完全不一樣的性質 |
| 00:09:03,000 | 00:09:05,000 | 跟委員報告一下我這邊其實是 |
| 00:09:05,000 | 00:09:07,000 | 要再次強烈的我在署內 |
| 00:09:07,000 | 00:09:09,000 | 一個多月來我們強力的 |
| 00:09:09,000 | 00:09:11,000 | 譴責中聯 |
| 00:09:11,000 | 00:09:13,000 | 但是我並沒有聽到大家 |
| 00:09:13,000 | 00:09:15,000 | 對中聯一致的譴責 |
| 00:09:15,000 | 00:09:17,000 | 這件事情其實是我們 |
| 00:09:17,000 | 00:09:19,000 | 很痛心的一件事情因為我們所有的 |
| 00:09:19,000 | 00:09:21,000 | 在中聯中聯的同仁們持續努力 |
| 00:09:21,000 | 00:09:23,000 | 為食品安全而把關 |
| 00:09:23,000 | 00:09:25,000 | TFD2的同仁們去找出 |
| 00:09:25,000 | 00:09:27,000 | 所有的細節 |
| 00:09:27,000 | 00:09:29,000 | 把它精緻的區分 |
| 00:09:29,000 | 00:09:31,000 | 科學的區分讓民眾能夠安心 |
| 00:09:31,000 | 00:09:33,000 | 安全這個過程當中 |
| 00:09:33,000 | 00:09:35,000 | 我們對中聯的譴責以三家公司的 |
| 00:09:35,000 | 00:09:37,000 | 譴責我們不斷的說出來 |
| 00:09:37,000 | 00:09:39,000 | 可是我沒有聽到大家對於 |
| 00:09:39,000 | 00:09:41,000 | 中聯的譴責這是讓我比較痛心 |
| 00:09:41,000 | 00:09:43,000 | 的地方 |
| 00:09:43,000 | 00:09:45,000 | 我在這邊譴責 |
| 00:09:45,000 | 00:09:47,000 | 謝謝委員 |
| 00:09:47,000 | 00:09:49,000 | 強力譴責 |
| 00:09:49,000 | 00:09:51,000 | 部長請教 |
| 00:09:51,000 | 00:09:53,000 | 像這個電價 |
| 00:09:53,000 | 00:09:55,000 | 因為十月份電價可能 |
| 00:09:55,000 | 00:09:57,000 | 會動漲 |
| 00:09:57,000 | 00:09:59,000 | 可能因為不是你說的算 |
| 00:09:59,000 | 00:10:01,000 | 因為要審議委員會 |
| 00:10:01,000 | 00:10:03,000 | 動漲機會蠻大的 |
| 00:10:03,000 | 00:10:05,000 | 但如果這樣動漲的話對台電的財務 |
| 00:10:05,000 | 00:10:07,000 | 會造成更大的影響 |
| 00:10:07,000 | 00:10:09,000 | 那有沒有追加預算 |
| 00:10:09,000 | 00:10:11,000 | 來撥補台電的這個 |
| 00:10:11,000 | 00:10:13,000 | 虧損的計畫 |
| 00:10:13,000 | 00:10:15,000 | 是 |
| 00:10:15,000 | 00:10:17,000 | 因為照顧民生穩定物價 |
| 00:10:17,000 | 00:10:19,000 | 這是我們最大的 |
| 00:10:19,000 | 00:10:21,000 | 目標 |
| 00:10:21,000 | 00:10:23,000 | 政策 |
| 00:10:23,000 | 00:10:25,000 | 那台電也不能倒 |
| 00:10:25,000 | 00:10:27,000 | 那所以這個部分 |
| 00:10:27,000 | 00:10:29,000 | 我們的確是有跟主委總處 |
| 00:10:29,000 | 00:10:31,000 | 在討論這件事情 |
| 00:10:31,000 | 00:10:33,000 | 是不是可以透過 |
| 00:10:33,000 | 00:10:35,000 | 什麼樣的形式 |
| 00:10:35,000 | 00:10:37,000 | 現在正在進行中 |
| 00:10:37,000 | 00:10:39,000 | 透過追加預算的撥補台電 |
| 00:10:39,000 | 00:10:41,000 | 因為動漲造成損失 |
| 00:10:41,000 | 00:10:43,000 | 維持民生電價 |
| 00:10:43,000 | 00:10:45,000 | 維持民生電價的穩定 |
| 00:10:45,000 | 00:10:47,000 | 讓民眾安心這個是我們最大的 |
| 00:10:47,000 | 00:10:49,000 | 共識 |
| 00:10:49,000 | 00:10:51,000 | 那另外一個共識是說台電也不能讓它倒 |
| 00:10:51,000 | 00:10:53,000 | 也不能讓它財務結構一再惡化 |
| 00:10:53,000 | 00:10:55,000 | 這部分我想 |
| 00:10:55,000 | 00:10:57,000 | 還是要跟主委總處更新多加支持 |
| 00:10:57,000 | 00:10:59,000 | 謝謝 |