| IVOD_ID |
170871 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170871 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
25 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-10T09:38:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-10T09:52:42+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/11f3ac9a4aee4d2565d3fc952fea777940bd953ec8f8f090192c65f10303680f9e84ac0ab64cdd6e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:38:57 - 09:52:42 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長率台灣糖業股份有限公司董事長、法務部首長、衛生福利部首長及審計部首長就「台灣糖業股份有限公司經營治理及風險控管之檢討—中聯油脂事件、台糖售地案等重大債權追償暨審計部114年度決算審核意見改善情形」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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好 請問各位同仁 上次會議是有無錯誤 |
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無錯誤 議事錄確定 |
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那接下來我們請這個楊瓊英委員諮詢 |
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謝謝主席 楊瓊發言 首先邀請部長跟台糖公司 |
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來 邀請部長跟台糖 |
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楊委員早安 |
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部長好 我想我們今天主要是針對於國營事業的這個食安防線跟法規的漏洞的一個總檢討 |
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那終於由此本篇筆 在這一次超標的案件爆發之後 |
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65 |
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究竟是誰讓一級的這個致癌物在公益鏈中隱形 |
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那在開始質詢之前 我想首先要請教兩位 |
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面對這一次引發我們全台的這個恐慌的重大食安的危機呢 |
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那兩位認為國營事業在其中 |
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87 |
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到底有沒有應該要主動的監督與通報的責任 |
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請教部長 |
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部長委員 我覺得所有的公務員都是依法行政 按規定來辦理 |
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那台糖公司已經 它是有依法行政 |
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101 |
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最主要就是 |
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所以到底它應不應當要主動通報呢 |
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你經濟部也應該要全面監督啊 |
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108 |
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是 報委員 |
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你認為需不需要 你這樣回答我需不需要就好 |
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我之前已經有說明 因為那個311的油潮 |
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請教需不需要 請告訴我 |
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因為這個311油潮的油的所有人 出油的所有人 |
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他是中聯的 |
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所以中聯事後要怎麼處置是311的油啊 |
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事實上是他來決定 |
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部長 請針對本席的提問 |
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136 |
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請問你經濟部的立場是不是應該要全面監督 |
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台糖也應該要主動的通報 是不是需要 |
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本席只要問這個請教 |
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是 如果依法要通報就通報 |
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148 |
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如果依法沒有那個通報的義務 那也不一定要通報 |
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這是你的回答 來請教台糖 |
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153 |
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154 |
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請台糖 |
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155 |
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委員好 |
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155 |
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157 |
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請問 剛剛的題目 |
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157 |
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160 |
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你認為台糖在發現5月15號 |
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168 |
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拿到的結果是超標的7倍14點多的PPB本篇比 |
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168 |
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171 |
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你認為需不需要通報 |
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171 |
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173 |
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你需不需要通報 |
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173 |
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176 |
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是 跟委員報告 我剛才也有清楚的表達 |
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176 |
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180 |
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其實本篇比的標準它是在使用油上面 |
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180 |
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184 |
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請教 針對本席的提問 |
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184 |
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187 |
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你有沒有通報給經濟部 沒有 |
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187 |
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好 那麼你們在5月份的時候 |
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190 |
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192 |
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就已經拿到了這一份的檢驗報告 |
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192 |
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195 |
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那也明知道這是確認 |
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195 |
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199 |
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這一批的油品是含有劇毒的致癌物 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
199 |
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202 |
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5月到7月 整整兩個月 |
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202 |
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205 |
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我們台糖是大廠 作為國藝事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
205 |
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209 |
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為什麼你選擇知情不報呢 為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
210 |
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215 |
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它不在我們現行的食安法通報的範圍之內 |
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215 |
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217 |
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好 這是你的回答 經濟部 |
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217 |
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219 |
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你作為主管機關單位 |
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219 |
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223 |
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當時有沒有人會知道台糖的這個事件呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
223 |
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225 |
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有沒有 經濟部 |
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225 |
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227 |
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有沒有 沒有 |
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227 |
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229 |
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所以你是不知道的嘛 |
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229 |
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234 |
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所以從台糖的5月15號得知了這個14.7PPB的時候 |
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234 |
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237 |
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到什麼時候我們經濟部才知道 |
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237 |
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239 |
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幾月幾號才知道 |
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239 |
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242 |
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7月以後 我們去 7月以後 |
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242 |
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7月以後是什麼時候啊 |
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244 |
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247 |
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7月以後經濟部才知道 |
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247 |
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250 |
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是不是 是嗎 |
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250 |
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251 |
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是啊 7月以後才知道 |
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251 |
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254 |
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你7月以後才知道 好 |
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254 |
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256 |
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部長 民間的親人南僑 |
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256 |
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260 |
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他主動吹哨都要被罰300萬 |
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260 |
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263 |
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我們台糖是國藝事業單位 |
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263 |
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266 |
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是全國全體國民非常信任的 |
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266 |
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268 |
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那當你發現了 |
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268 |
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271 |
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有這麼嚴重的致癌物的時候 |
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271 |
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274 |
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你只有說 我去收 我不買了 |
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274 |
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277 |
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你讓這些的有毒的油品 |
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277 |
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280 |
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再繼續留在這個供應鏈裡頭 |
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280 |
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287 |
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如果不是檢調跟衛福單位全面的清查 |
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287 |
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291 |
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那這些原料是不是還是會任由在下游的這個業者 |
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291 |
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294 |
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裡頭吃下肚呢 |
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294 |
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296 |
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那這叫什麼食安把關啊 |
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296 |
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298 |
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沒有啊 311的這個油槽的油 |
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298 |
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301 |
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現在還在中聯那邊 它沒有出來 |
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301 |
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304 |
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所以就是台灣公司給他警告以後 |
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304 |
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306 |
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事實上這一批油它沒有出來 |
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306 |
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308 |
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出來是其他批的油 |
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308 |
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312 |
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那其他批的油跟台糖沒有關係啊 |
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312 |
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315 |
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部長 請針對問題回答 |
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315 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
317 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
造成了這麼大的風暴 |
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317 |
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320 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
我們應該要去看怎麼樣去檢討 |
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320 |
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321 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
去改進 |
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321 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
323 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
讓這個事件不要再發生 |
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323 |
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325 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
因為食安是底線 |
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325 |
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328 |
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所以在這裡本席要再一次的請教 |
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328 |
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332 |
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民間他發現有劇毒的原料的時候 |
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332 |
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337 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
他依規定要這個啟動吹哨者機制 |
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337 |
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340 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
並且要通報 |
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340 |
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344 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
那反方我們全國最新來的國營事業台糖 |
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344 |
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348 |
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現在是默默退了貨 至少門前雪 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
348 |
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351 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
所以在這樣的情況之下 |
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351 |
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353 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
本席要請教 |
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353 |
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357 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
台糖你不受食安法的一個規範嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
357 |
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359 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
報告委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
359 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
363 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
現在目前你們只有說法規沒有強制要報 |
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363 |
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365 |
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你們現在就用這個藉口 |
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365 |
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367 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
還要再用這個藉口嗎 |
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367 |
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369 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
已經這麼大的一個風暴 |
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369 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
371 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
你有沒有受食安法的規範 |
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371 |
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375 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
如果說今天台糖公司買的是食用油超標 |
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375 |
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377 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
台糖公司一定會通報 |
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377 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
378 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
請教台糖 |
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378 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
381 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
你們有沒有受食安法的一個規範 |
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381 |
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382 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
有 |
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382 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
383 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
你們有嗎 |
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383 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
384 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
好 |
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384 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
387 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
面對這個原料半成品的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
387 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
390 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
未收入的這個脫膠的出油 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
390 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
393 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
現行食安法第七條第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
393 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
396 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
它規範產品需主動通報 |
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396 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
398 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
但是這個也因為這樣子的一個文字 |
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398 |
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404 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
成為經濟部跟臥服部的免責附身符 |
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404 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
406 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
你讓部長你聽清楚 |
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406 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
409 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
讓法律文字的灰色地帶成了 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
409 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
412 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
一級致癌物的防火牆 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
412 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
414 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
目前的現況是如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
414 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
415 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
415 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
417 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
那現在部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
417 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
419 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
衛福部已經說 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
419 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
420 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
他已經預告 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
420 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
424 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
要未來將修法納入強制通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
424 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
426 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
這也表示了目前的法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
426 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
428 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
它是千瘡百孔 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
428 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
431 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
所以在這樣的一個情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
431 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
433 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
等一下請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
433 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
435 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
在修法的空窗期 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
435 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
437 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
民間企業它是存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
437 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
440 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
合法部通報的一個現象 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
440 |
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442 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
那政府你也無從 |
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442 |
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445 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
無從知道每一次的檢驗詳情 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
445 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
449 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
但是我們台糖是國營事業單位 |
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449 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
451 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
我們應該要遵守法律 |
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451 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
452 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
要主動通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
452 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
454 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
要作為守法的表率 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
454 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
455 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
455 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
457 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
台糖對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
457 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
460 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
是不是應該作為守法的表率 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
460 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
461 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
461 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
462 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
462 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
464 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
我們是打臉政府的臉 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
464 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
465 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
465 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
466 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
我要跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
466 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
468 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
因為藐視了政府的立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
468 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
469 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
的立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
469 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
473 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
至今沒有依法主動通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
473 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
475 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
那我們要求民間一定要做到 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
475 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
478 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
這是標準太奇怪了吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
478 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
480 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
我們我跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
480 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
482 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
我們買的是原料油 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
482 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
485 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
那原料油這個粗油 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
485 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
486 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
它是可以經過精煉之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
486 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
488 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
把本田皮拿掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
488 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
489 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
大部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
489 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
490 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
490 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
492 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
經濟部長跟衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
492 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
493 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
衛福部在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
493 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
495 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
來那個署長一起上 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
495 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
496 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
496 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
497 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
你們看 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
497 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
499 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
你們看 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
499 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
502 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
第113年3月11號召開的 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
502 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
506 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
食品業者自主管理說明會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
506 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
508 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
官方公告內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
508 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
509 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
第三點 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
509 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
512 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
白紙寫的非常清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
512 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
515 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
食品業者於發現原油或者是產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
515 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
518 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
有危害衛生安全之餘 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
518 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
521 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
應主動停止製造加工 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
521 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
523 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
販賣及辦理回收 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
523 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
525 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
並通報直屬機關單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
525 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
526 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
主管單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
526 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
530 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
違法者必須要依食安法的第47條 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
530 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
534 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
第二款處新台幣3萬元以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
534 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
536 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
300萬元以下的還款 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
536 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
538 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
538 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
540 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
這裡寫的這麼清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
542 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
544 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
我想聽聽您的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
544 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
546 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
報告委員我剛才講過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
546 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
550 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
311那個油槽的油並沒有流到市面 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
550 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
552 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
而且它是一個出油 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
552 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
555 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
它也不是一個食品安全規範的犯規 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
555 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
558 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
你又是繞在文字的一個漏洞 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
558 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
560 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
所以部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
560 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
564 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
我們應該要正式的面對這樣子的一個問題 |
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564 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
566 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
因為這才是我們要的 |
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566 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
568 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
這才是人民要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
568 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
571 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
到目前為止這麼多時間 |
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571 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
573 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
我們還不清不楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
573 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
577 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
後續如果食安法修正大院通過的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
577 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
579 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
我們當然是依法辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
579 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
580 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
依法遵守 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
580 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
583 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
113年的公告已經明明白白 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
583 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
586 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
白紙寫一字寫得那麼清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
586 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
589 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
所以來 部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
589 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
591 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
本下跟你討論的 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
591 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
594 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
民眾到現在為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
594 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
597 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
你能夠協助民眾什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
597 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
599 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
我們首先來請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
599 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
602 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
這絕對不是一個單一事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
602 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
605 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
政府的無能民眾就無奈 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
605 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
607 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
所以在這樣的情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
607 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
609 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
我們國家食安防線的全面失守 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
609 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
612 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
那你現在你說只有管產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
612 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
614 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
你不管原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
614 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
617 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
你等於是在整個法規的鍛煉 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
617 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
619 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
台南知情不報 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
619 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
622 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
你又作為他的台唐的律師 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
622 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
623 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
在做辯護 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
623 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
625 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
這個是行政帶動 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
625 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
627 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
接下來我們要看 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
627 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
631 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
違法者的業者能夠出席 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
631 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
636 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
下架標準的會議的決策 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
638 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
641 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
這等於是決策的一個人黑 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
641 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
642 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
所以部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
642 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
644 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
台唐跟食安署在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
644 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
646 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
衛福部在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
646 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
650 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
供應鍛煉這個訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
650 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
653 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
以及主管機關的一個卸責 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
653 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
655 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
利益迴避的失靈 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
655 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
658 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
等於是我們系統性的崩潰 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
658 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
660 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
所以經濟部更離譜的 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
660 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
662 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
把這樣的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
662 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
664 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
是誰這麼天才 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
664 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
668 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
把它比造成是去菜市場買菜 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
669 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
673 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
買菜不會去向市場去報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
673 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
675 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
這個葉子爛掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
675 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
677 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
這是誰這麼天才 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
677 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
682 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
你把我們整個國家食安當兒戲 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
682 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
685 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
一級自來務竟然有這樣的回覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
685 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
687 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
給社會大眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
687 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
689 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
看笑話 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
689 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
690 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
690 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
692 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
誰這麼天才 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
692 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
694 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
是把食安當成不一回事嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
694 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
697 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
還是在經濟部認為是沒事的 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
698 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
700 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
怎麼會比您這樣子呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
700 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
703 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
你覺得這個比您適當嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
703 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
705 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
請教部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
705 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
708 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
台航公司依法行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
708 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
710 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
所有的守法的公務人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
710 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
713 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
經濟部有這個責任要保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
713 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
715 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
這些守法的公務人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
715 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
717 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
你要不要保護我們的食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
717 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
718 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
當然了 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
718 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
719 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
我們是依法 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
719 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
721 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
你認為你們把經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
721 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
724 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
把食安這麼嚴肅的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
724 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
727 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
你把它比給菜市場買菜 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
727 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
729 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
你覺得這個適當嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
729 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
730 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
剛剛已經說明了 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
730 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
731 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
三一有朝一有後 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
731 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
733 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
請教你認為這個適當嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
733 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
735 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
請教你這個經濟部的回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
735 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
738 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
給社會大眾你認為這個是適當嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
739 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
741 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
沒有這只是一個比喻 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
741 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
743 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
你認為適不適當沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
743 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
745 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
吃過了你認為適不適當 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
745 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
747 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
如果委員覺得不恰當的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
747 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
749 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
那我也尊重委員的 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
749 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
751 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
不是我認為是你不能反質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
751 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
754 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
請問你認為這樣子的比喻適當嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
754 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
756 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
我尊重委員的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
756 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
757 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
你認為適當嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
757 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
759 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
我尊重委員的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
759 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
760 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
你認為適當嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
760 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
762 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
本席請問請回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
762 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
764 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
對如果委員覺得不適當的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
764 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
765 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
我尊重委員的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
765 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
766 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
那你我認為不適當 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
766 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
768 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
你認為是不是不適當 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
768 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
770 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
所以我就尊重委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
770 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
771 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
尊重委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
771 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
772 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
最後本席要請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
772 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
774 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
剛剛也報告了 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
774 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
776 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
我們的消費者要怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
777 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
779 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
現在經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
779 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
781 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
我們現在消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
781 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
783 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
因為有很多的小攤商 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
783 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
786 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
有很多的中小企業都在你的轄下 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
786 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
788 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
你要不要組一個專案小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
788 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
789 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
來協助他們求償 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
789 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
790 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
有的有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
790 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
791 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
要不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
791 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
792 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
有工學會來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
792 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
793 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
他們如果要求償 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
793 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
794 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
我們會給你協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
794 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
796 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
不是你自己要主動 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
796 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
798 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
已經有召開座談會了 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
798 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
799 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
你要主你會不會主動 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
799 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
801 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
經濟部成立專案小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
801 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
803 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
來協助這些中小企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
803 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
805 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
攤商來這個業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
805 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
807 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
大家一起來協助他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
807 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
809 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
不要讓他們求償無門 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
809 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
810 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
對我們會我們會 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
810 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
811 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
成立專案小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
811 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
812 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
已經有座談會了 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
812 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
814 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
會成立專案小組是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
814 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
815 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
來協助他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
815 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
817 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
還是他們還是要主動 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
817 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
819 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
因為這個求償的權力 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
819 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
822 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
我自己建議請經濟部主動來協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
822 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
823 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
823 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
824 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
好我們謝謝 |