| IVOD_ID |
170871 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170871 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
25 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-10T09:38:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-10T09:52:42+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/11f3ac9a4aee4d2565d3fc952fea777940bd953ec8f8f090192c65f10303680f9e84ac0ab64cdd6e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:38:57 - 09:52:42 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長率台灣糖業股份有限公司董事長、法務部首長、衛生福利部首長及審計部首長就「台灣糖業股份有限公司經營治理及風險控管之檢討—中聯油脂事件、台糖售地案等重大債權追償暨審計部114年度決算審核意見改善情形」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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好 請問各位同仁 上次會議是有無錯誤 |
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無錯誤 議事錄確定 |
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那接下來我們請這個楊瓊英委員諮詢 |
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謝謝主席 楊瓊發言 首先邀請部長跟台糖公司 |
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來 邀請部長跟台糖 |
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44 |
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楊委員早安 |
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52 |
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部長好 我想我們今天主要是針對於國營事業的這個食安防線跟法規的漏洞的一個總檢討 |
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53 |
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59 |
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那終於由此本篇筆 在這一次超標的案件爆發之後 |
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59 |
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65 |
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究竟是誰讓一級的這個致癌物在公益鏈中隱形 |
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65 |
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69 |
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那在開始質詢之前 我想首先要請教兩位 |
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76 |
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面對這一次引發我們全台的這個恐慌的重大食安的危機呢 |
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76 |
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80 |
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那兩位認為國營事業在其中 |
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80 |
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87 |
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到底有沒有應該要主動的監督與通報的責任 |
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87 |
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88 |
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請教部長 |
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90 |
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95 |
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部長委員 我覺得所有的公務員都是依法行政 按規定來辦理 |
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100 |
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那台糖公司已經 它是有依法行政 |
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100 |
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101 |
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最主要就是 |
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101 |
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105 |
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所以到底它應不應當要主動通報呢 |
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105 |
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108 |
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你經濟部也應該要全面監督啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
108 |
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109 |
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是 報委員 |
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109 |
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112 |
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你認為需不需要 你這樣回答我需不需要就好 |
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112 |
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115 |
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我之前已經有說明 因為那個311的油潮 |
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請教需不需要 請告訴我 |
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117 |
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122 |
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因為這個311油潮的油的所有人 出油的所有人 |
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122 |
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123 |
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他是中聯的 |
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123 |
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127 |
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所以中聯事後要怎麼處置是311的油啊 |
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127 |
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129 |
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事實上是他來決定 |
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129 |
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131 |
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部長 請針對本席的提問 |
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131 |
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136 |
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請問你經濟部的立場是不是應該要全面監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
136 |
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140 |
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台糖也應該要主動的通報 是不是需要 |
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140 |
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142 |
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本席只要問這個請教 |
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142 |
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144 |
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是 如果依法要通報就通報 |
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144 |
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148 |
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如果依法沒有那個通報的義務 那也不一定要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
148 |
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151 |
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這是你的回答 來請教台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
153 |
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154 |
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請台糖 |
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154 |
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155 |
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委員好 |
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155 |
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157 |
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請問 剛剛的題目 |
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157 |
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160 |
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你認為台糖在發現5月15號 |
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160 |
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168 |
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拿到的結果是超標的7倍14點多的PPB本篇比 |
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168 |
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171 |
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你認為需不需要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
171 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
173 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
你需不需要通報 |
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173 |
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176 |
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是 跟委員報告 我剛才也有清楚的表達 |
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176 |
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180 |
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其實本篇比的標準它是在使用油上面 |
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180 |
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184 |
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請教 針對本席的提問 |
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184 |
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187 |
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你有沒有通報給經濟部 沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
187 |
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190 |
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好 那麼你們在5月份的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
190 |
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192 |
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就已經拿到了這一份的檢驗報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
192 |
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195 |
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那也明知道這是確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
195 |
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199 |
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這一批的油品是含有劇毒的致癌物 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
199 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
202 |
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5月到7月 整整兩個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
202 |
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205 |
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我們台糖是大廠 作為國藝事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
205 |
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209 |
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為什麼你選擇知情不報呢 為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
210 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
215 |
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它不在我們現行的食安法通報的範圍之內 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
215 |
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217 |
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好 這是你的回答 經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
217 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
219 |
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你作為主管機關單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
219 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
223 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
當時有沒有人會知道台糖的這個事件呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
223 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
225 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
有沒有 經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
225 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
227 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
有沒有 沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
227 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
229 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
所以你是不知道的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
229 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
234 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
所以從台糖的5月15號得知了這個14.7PPB的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
234 |
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237 |
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到什麼時候我們經濟部才知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
237 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
239 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
幾月幾號才知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
239 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
242 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
7月以後 我們去 7月以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
242 |
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244 |
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7月以後是什麼時候啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
244 |
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247 |
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7月以後經濟部才知道 |
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247 |
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250 |
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是不是 是嗎 |
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250 |
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251 |
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是啊 7月以後才知道 |
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251 |
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254 |
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你7月以後才知道 好 |
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254 |
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256 |
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部長 民間的親人南僑 |
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256 |
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260 |
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他主動吹哨都要被罰300萬 |
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260 |
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263 |
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我們台糖是國藝事業單位 |
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263 |
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266 |
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是全國全體國民非常信任的 |
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266 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
268 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
那當你發現了 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
268 |
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271 |
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有這麼嚴重的致癌物的時候 |
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271 |
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274 |
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你只有說 我去收 我不買了 |
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274 |
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277 |
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你讓這些的有毒的油品 |
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277 |
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280 |
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再繼續留在這個供應鏈裡頭 |
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280 |
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287 |
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如果不是檢調跟衛福單位全面的清查 |
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287 |
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291 |
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那這些原料是不是還是會任由在下游的這個業者 |
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291 |
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294 |
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裡頭吃下肚呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
294 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
296 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
那這叫什麼食安把關啊 |
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296 |
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298 |
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沒有啊 311的這個油槽的油 |
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298 |
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301 |
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現在還在中聯那邊 它沒有出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
301 |
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304 |
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所以就是台灣公司給他警告以後 |
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304 |
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306 |
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事實上這一批油它沒有出來 |
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306 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
308 |
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出來是其他批的油 |
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308 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
312 |
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那其他批的油跟台糖沒有關係啊 |
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312 |
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315 |
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部長 請針對問題回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
315 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
317 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
造成了這麼大的風暴 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
317 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
320 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
我們應該要去看怎麼樣去檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
320 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
321 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
去改進 |
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321 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
323 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
讓這個事件不要再發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
323 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
325 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
因為食安是底線 |
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325 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
328 |
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所以在這裡本席要再一次的請教 |
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328 |
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332 |
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民間他發現有劇毒的原料的時候 |
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332 |
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337 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
他依規定要這個啟動吹哨者機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
337 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
340 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
並且要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
340 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
344 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
那反方我們全國最新來的國營事業台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
344 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
348 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
現在是默默退了貨 至少門前雪 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
348 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
351 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
所以在這樣的情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
351 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
353 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
本席要請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
353 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
357 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
台糖你不受食安法的一個規範嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
357 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
359 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
報告委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
359 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
363 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
現在目前你們只有說法規沒有強制要報 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
363 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
365 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
你們現在就用這個藉口 |
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365 |
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367 |
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還要再用這個藉口嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
367 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
369 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
已經這麼大的一個風暴 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
369 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
371 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
你有沒有受食安法的規範 |
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371 |
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375 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
如果說今天台糖公司買的是食用油超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
375 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
377 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
台糖公司一定會通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
377 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
378 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
請教台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
378 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
381 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
你們有沒有受食安法的一個規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
381 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
382 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
有 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
382 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
383 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
你們有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
383 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
384 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
384 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
387 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
面對這個原料半成品的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
387 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
390 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
未收入的這個脫膠的出油 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
390 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
393 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
現行食安法第七條第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
393 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
396 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
它規範產品需主動通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
396 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
398 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
但是這個也因為這樣子的一個文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
398 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
404 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
成為經濟部跟臥服部的免責附身符 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
404 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
406 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
你讓部長你聽清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
406 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
409 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
讓法律文字的灰色地帶成了 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
409 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
412 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
一級致癌物的防火牆 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
412 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
414 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
目前的現況是如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
414 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
415 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
415 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
417 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
那現在部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
417 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
419 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
衛福部已經說 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
419 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
420 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
他已經預告 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
420 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
424 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
要未來將修法納入強制通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
424 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
426 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
這也表示了目前的法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
426 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
428 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
它是千瘡百孔 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
428 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
431 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
所以在這樣的一個情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
431 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
433 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
等一下請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
433 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
435 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
在修法的空窗期 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
435 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
437 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
民間企業它是存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
437 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
440 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
合法部通報的一個現象 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
440 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
442 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
那政府你也無從 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
442 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
445 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
無從知道每一次的檢驗詳情 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
445 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
449 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
但是我們台糖是國營事業單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
449 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
451 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
我們應該要遵守法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
451 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
452 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
要主動通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
452 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
454 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
要作為守法的表率 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
454 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
455 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
455 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
457 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
台糖對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
457 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
460 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
是不是應該作為守法的表率 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
460 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
461 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
461 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
462 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
462 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
464 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
我們是打臉政府的臉 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
464 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
465 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
465 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
466 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
我要跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
466 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
468 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
因為藐視了政府的立法 |
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468 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
469 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
的立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
469 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
473 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
至今沒有依法主動通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
473 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
475 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
那我們要求民間一定要做到 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
475 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
478 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
這是標準太奇怪了吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
478 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
480 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
我們我跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
480 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
482 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
我們買的是原料油 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
482 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
485 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
那原料油這個粗油 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
485 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
486 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
它是可以經過精煉之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
486 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
488 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
把本田皮拿掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
488 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
489 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
大部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
489 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
490 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
490 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
492 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
經濟部長跟衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
492 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
493 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
衛福部在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
493 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
495 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
來那個署長一起上 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
495 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
496 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
496 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
497 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
你們看 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
497 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
499 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
你們看 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
499 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
502 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
第113年3月11號召開的 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
502 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
506 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
食品業者自主管理說明會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
506 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
508 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
官方公告內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
508 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
509 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
第三點 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
509 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
512 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
白紙寫的非常清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
512 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
515 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
食品業者於發現原油或者是產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
515 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
518 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
有危害衛生安全之餘 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
518 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
521 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
應主動停止製造加工 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
521 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
523 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
販賣及辦理回收 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
523 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
525 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
並通報直屬機關單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
525 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
526 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
主管單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
526 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
530 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
違法者必須要依食安法的第47條 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
530 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
534 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
第二款處新台幣3萬元以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
534 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
536 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
300萬元以下的還款 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
536 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
538 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
538 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
540 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
這裡寫的這麼清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
542 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
544 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
我想聽聽您的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
544 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
546 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
報告委員我剛才講過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
546 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
550 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
311那個油槽的油並沒有流到市面 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
550 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
552 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
而且它是一個出油 |
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552 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
555 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
它也不是一個食品安全規範的犯規 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
555 |
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558 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
你又是繞在文字的一個漏洞 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
558 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
560 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
所以部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
560 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
564 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
我們應該要正式的面對這樣子的一個問題 |
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564 |
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566 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
因為這才是我們要的 |
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566 |
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568 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
這才是人民要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
568 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
571 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
到目前為止這麼多時間 |
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571 |
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573 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
我們還不清不楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
573 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
577 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
後續如果食安法修正大院通過的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
577 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
579 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
我們當然是依法辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
579 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
580 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
依法遵守 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
580 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
583 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
113年的公告已經明明白白 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
583 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
586 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
白紙寫一字寫得那麼清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
586 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
589 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
所以來 部長 |
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589 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
591 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
本下跟你討論的 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
591 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
594 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
民眾到現在為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
594 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
597 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
你能夠協助民眾什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
597 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
599 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
我們首先來請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
599 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
602 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
這絕對不是一個單一事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
602 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
605 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
政府的無能民眾就無奈 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
605 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
607 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
所以在這樣的情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
607 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
609 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
我們國家食安防線的全面失守 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
609 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
612 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
那你現在你說只有管產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
612 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
614 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
你不管原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
614 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
617 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
你等於是在整個法規的鍛煉 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
617 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
619 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
台南知情不報 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
619 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
622 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
你又作為他的台唐的律師 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
622 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
623 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
在做辯護 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
623 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
625 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
這個是行政帶動 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
625 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
627 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
接下來我們要看 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
627 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
631 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
違法者的業者能夠出席 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
631 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
636 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
下架標準的會議的決策 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
638 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
641 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
這等於是決策的一個人黑 |
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641 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
642 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
所以部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
642 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
644 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
台唐跟食安署在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
644 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
646 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
衛福部在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
646 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
650 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
供應鍛煉這個訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
650 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
653 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
以及主管機關的一個卸責 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
653 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
655 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
利益迴避的失靈 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
655 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
658 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
等於是我們系統性的崩潰 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
658 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
660 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
所以經濟部更離譜的 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
660 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
662 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
把這樣的事件 |
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662 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
664 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
是誰這麼天才 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
664 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
668 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
把它比造成是去菜市場買菜 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
669 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
673 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
買菜不會去向市場去報告 |
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673 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
675 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
這個葉子爛掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
675 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
677 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
這是誰這麼天才 |
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677 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
682 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
你把我們整個國家食安當兒戲 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
682 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
685 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
一級自來務竟然有這樣的回覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
685 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
687 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
給社會大眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
687 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
689 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
看笑話 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
689 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
690 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
690 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
692 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
誰這麼天才 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
692 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
694 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
是把食安當成不一回事嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
694 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
697 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
還是在經濟部認為是沒事的 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
698 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
700 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
怎麼會比您這樣子呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
700 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
703 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
你覺得這個比您適當嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
703 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
705 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
請教部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
705 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
708 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
台航公司依法行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
708 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
710 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
所有的守法的公務人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
710 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
713 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
經濟部有這個責任要保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
713 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
715 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
這些守法的公務人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
715 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
717 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
你要不要保護我們的食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
717 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
718 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
當然了 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
718 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
719 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
我們是依法 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
719 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
721 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
你認為你們把經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
721 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
724 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
把食安這麼嚴肅的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
724 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
727 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
你把它比給菜市場買菜 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
727 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
729 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
你覺得這個適當嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
729 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
730 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
剛剛已經說明了 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
730 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
731 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
三一有朝一有後 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
731 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
733 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
請教你認為這個適當嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
733 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
735 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
請教你這個經濟部的回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
735 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
738 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
給社會大眾你認為這個是適當嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
739 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
741 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
沒有這只是一個比喻 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
741 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
743 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
你認為適不適當沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
743 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
745 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
吃過了你認為適不適當 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
745 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
747 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
如果委員覺得不恰當的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
747 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
749 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
那我也尊重委員的 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
749 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
751 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
不是我認為是你不能反質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
751 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
754 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
請問你認為這樣子的比喻適當嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
754 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
756 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
我尊重委員的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
756 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
757 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
你認為適當嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
757 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
759 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
我尊重委員的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
759 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
760 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
你認為適當嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
760 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
762 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
本席請問請回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
762 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
764 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
對如果委員覺得不適當的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
764 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
765 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
我尊重委員的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
765 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
766 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
那你我認為不適當 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
766 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
768 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
你認為是不是不適當 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
768 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
770 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
所以我就尊重委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
770 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
771 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
尊重委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
771 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
772 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
最後本席要請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
772 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
774 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
剛剛也報告了 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
774 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
776 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
我們的消費者要怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
777 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
779 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
現在經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
779 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
781 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
我們現在消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
781 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
783 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
因為有很多的小攤商 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
783 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
786 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
有很多的中小企業都在你的轄下 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
786 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
788 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
你要不要組一個專案小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
788 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
789 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
來協助他們求償 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
789 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
790 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
有的有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
790 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
791 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
要不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
791 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
792 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
有工學會來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
792 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
793 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
他們如果要求償 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
793 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
794 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
我們會給你協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
794 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
796 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
不是你自己要主動 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
796 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
798 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
已經有召開座談會了 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
798 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
799 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
你要主你會不會主動 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
799 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
801 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
經濟部成立專案小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
801 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
803 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
來協助這些中小企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
803 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
805 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
攤商來這個業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
805 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
807 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
大家一起來協助他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
807 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
809 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
不要讓他們求償無門 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
809 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
810 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
對我們會我們會 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
810 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
811 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
成立專案小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
811 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
812 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
已經有座談會了 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
812 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
814 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
會成立專案小組是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
814 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
815 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
來協助他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
815 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
817 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
還是他們還是要主動 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
817 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
819 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
因為這個求償的權力 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
819 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
822 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
我自己建議請經濟部主動來協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
822 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
823 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
823 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
824 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
好我們謝謝 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-08-10T09:39:27+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-08-10T09:39:29.210526+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].text |
謝謝主席，楊瓊瓔發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[0].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-08-10T09:39:29.526316+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-08-10T09:39:32.684211+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].text |
首先邀請部長跟台糖公司。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-08-10T09:39:33.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-08-10T09:39:34.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
有請部長跟台糖。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-08-10T09:39:39+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-08-10T09:39:40.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
楊委員早安。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-08-10T09:39:41+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-08-10T09:39:41.421053+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
部長好。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-08-10T09:39:41.631579+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-08-10T09:39:48.789474+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].text |
我們今天主要是針對國營事業的食安防線跟法規漏洞的總檢討。 |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-08-10T09:39:52.571429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-08-10T09:40:01.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
這一次中聯油脂苯駢芘超標的案件爆發之後，究竟是誰讓一級致癌物在供應鏈中隱形？ |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-08-10T09:40:02.235294+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-08-10T09:40:05.764706+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
在開始質詢之前，我首先要請教兩位。 |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-08-10T09:40:06+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-08-10T09:40:23.631579+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
面對這次引發全臺恐慌的重大食安危機，兩位認為國營事業到底有沒有應主動監督與通報的責任？ |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-08-10T09:40:24+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-08-10T09:40:24.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
請教部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-08-10T09:40:27.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-08-10T09:40:37.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
報告委員，所有的公務員都是依法行政，按規定來辦理，而台糖公司已經依法行政，最主要就是…… |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-08-10T09:40:38+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-08-10T09:40:41.466667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
所以台糖公司到底應不應當主動通報？ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-08-10T09:40:42.230769+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-08-10T09:40:44.769231+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
至於經濟部也應該要全面監督啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-08-10T09:40:45.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-08-10T09:40:45.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
報告委員…… |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-08-10T09:40:46+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-08-10T09:40:46.947368+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
你認為需不需要？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-08-10T09:40:47.105263+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-08-10T09:40:48.842105+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
你只要回答我需不需要就好。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-08-10T09:40:49+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-08-10T09:40:51.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
我之前已經說明過，因為311號油槽…… |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-08-10T09:40:52+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-08-10T09:40:53.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
我只請教需不需要，請告訴我。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-08-10T09:40:54+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-08-10T09:41:05.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
因為311號油槽內粗油的所有人是中聯，而中聯事後要怎麼處置311號油槽的油，事實上是由中聯決定…… |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.718 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-08-10T09:41:06+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-08-10T09:41:07.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
部長，請針對本席的提問！ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-08-10T09:41:08+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-08-10T09:41:12.736842+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
請問經濟部的立場是不是應該要全面監督？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-08-10T09:41:13.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-08-10T09:41:15.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
台糖是不是也應該要主動通報？ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-08-10T09:41:17+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-08-10T09:41:18.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
本席只問這個，請教！ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-08-10T09:41:19.181818+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-08-10T09:41:24.809524+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
如果依法要通報就通報；如果依法沒有通報的義務，也不一定要通報。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-08-10T09:41:25+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-08-10T09:41:26.363636+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
這是你的回答？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-08-10T09:41:26.909091+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-08-10T09:41:30.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
請教台糖。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-08-10T09:41:31+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-08-10T09:41:31.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-08-10T09:41:32.571429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-08-10T09:41:47.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
剛剛的題目請教，台糖在5月15號拿到的油品檢驗結果超標七倍，達十四點多ppb的苯駢芘，你認為需不需要通報？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.63 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-08-10T09:41:48.285714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-08-10T09:41:49.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
需不需要通報？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-08-10T09:41:50.187500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-08-10T09:41:56.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
跟委員報告，我剛才已清楚表達，苯駢芘的標準是針對食用油…… |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.72 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-08-10T09:41:57+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-08-10T09:42:03.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
請教，請針對本席的提問，你有沒有通報經濟部？沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-08-10T09:42:04.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-08-10T09:42:24.571429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
你們在5月份就已經拿到這份檢驗報告，也明知道、也確認這批油品含有劇毒的致癌物，從5月到7月整整兩個月，台糖是國營事業大廠，為什麼選擇知情不報？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.887 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-08-10T09:42:25.142857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-08-10T09:42:25.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
為什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-08-10T09:42:27.277778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-08-10T09:42:31.722222+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
這不在現行食安法的通報範圍之內。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-08-10T09:42:32.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-08-10T09:42:33.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
這是你的回答？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-08-10T09:42:33.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-08-10T09:42:39.294118+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
經濟部作為主管機關，當時有沒有人知道台糖這件事？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-08-10T09:42:40+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-08-10T09:42:40.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
有沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-08-10T09:42:41+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-08-10T09:42:41.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
經濟部？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-08-10T09:42:42.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-08-10T09:42:43.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
沒有通報，沒有！ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-08-10T09:42:44+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-08-10T09:42:45.555556+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
所以你是不知道的？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-08-10T09:42:46.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-08-10T09:42:53.769231+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
台糖從5月15號得知超標達14.7 ppb，到什麼時候經濟部才知道？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.68 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-08-10T09:42:54+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-08-10T09:42:55.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
幾月幾號才知道？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-08-10T09:42:56+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-08-10T09:42:57.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
7月以後，我們去…… |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-08-10T09:42:58+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-08-10T09:43:00.555556+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
7月以後是什麼時候？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-08-10T09:43:01+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-08-10T09:43:03.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
7月以後經濟部才知道？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-08-10T09:43:04+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-08-10T09:43:07+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
是不是？是、是。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-08-10T09:43:07.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-08-10T09:43:07.875000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
7月以後才知道。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-08-10T09:43:11+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-08-10T09:43:22.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
部長，民間企業南僑主動吹哨都要被罰三百萬，而台糖是國營事業，全國、全體國民都非常信任。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-08-10T09:43:23.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-08-10T09:43:36.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
當你發現有這麼嚴重的致癌物時，只說拒收、不買了，卻讓這些有毒的油品繼續留在供應鏈裡！ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-08-10T09:43:37+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-08-10T09:43:50+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
如果不是檢調與衛福部全面清查，這些原料是不是就任由下游業者販售給民眾吃下肚？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-08-10T09:43:51.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-08-10T09:43:52.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
這叫什麼食安把關？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-08-10T09:43:53+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-08-10T09:44:08.428571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
沒有，311號油槽的油現在還在中聯沒出來，就是因為台糖公司給予警告，才讓這批油沒有出來，出來的是其他批的油，而其他批的油跟台糖沒有關係！ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.814 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-08-10T09:44:09+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-08-10T09:44:11.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
部長，請針對問題回答。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-08-10T09:44:12+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-08-10T09:44:19.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
這件事造成這麼大的風暴，到底應該怎麼檢討、改進，讓這種事不要再發生？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-08-10T09:44:20+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-08-10T09:44:21.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
因為食安是底線！是啊。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-08-10T09:44:22.428571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-08-10T09:44:36.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
在這裡本席要再次請教，當民間企業發現有劇毒原料時，依規定啟動吹哨者機制並通報。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-08-10T09:44:37.235294+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-08-10T09:44:44.692308+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
反觀全國最信賴的國營事業台糖，卻默默退貨自掃門前雪。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.708 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-08-10T09:44:45.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-08-10T09:44:53.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
在這樣的情況下本席要請教，難道台糖不受食安法的規範嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-08-10T09:44:54+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-08-10T09:44:55.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
報告委員…… |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-08-10T09:44:56+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-08-10T09:45:01.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
你們現在說法規沒有強制要通報，你們之前就用這個藉口…… |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.792 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-08-10T09:45:01.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-08-10T09:45:02.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
報告委員…… |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-08-10T09:45:02+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-08-10T09:45:03.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
現在還要再用這個藉口嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-08-10T09:45:04+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-08-10T09:45:07.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
已經造成這麼大的風暴了，你有沒有受食安法的規範？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.864 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-08-10T09:45:08+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-08-10T09:45:13.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
如果今天台糖公司買的食用油超標，台糖公司一定會通報…… |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-08-10T09:45:14+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-08-10T09:45:18+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
請教台糖有沒有受食安法的規範？有。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-08-10T09:45:19+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-08-10T09:45:20+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
你們有？好。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-08-10T09:45:21.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-08-10T09:45:40.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
針對原料、半成品、未收貨、脫膠粗油，依現行食安法第七條第五項規定，產品需主動通報，但也因為這樣的文字，成為經濟部跟衛福部免責的護身符…… |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.847 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-08-10T09:45:40.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-08-10T09:45:41.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
不是這樣的！ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-08-10T09:45:41.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-08-10T09:45:48.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
部長，你聽清楚，你讓法律文字的灰色地帶成了一級致癌物的防火牆…… |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-08-10T09:45:48.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-08-10T09:45:49.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
不是這樣的！ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-08-10T09:45:49+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-08-10T09:45:50.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
至少目前的情況是如此！ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-08-10T09:45:51+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-08-10T09:46:04.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
好，現在衛福部已經預告未來將修法納入強制通報，代表目前法規根本是千瘡百孔！ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.912 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-08-10T09:46:05.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-08-10T09:46:21.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
在這樣的情況下本席請教，在修法的空窗期，民間企業存在著不合法不通報的現象，而政府也無從知道每一次的檢驗詳情。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-08-10T09:46:22+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-08-10T09:46:31.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
但台糖是國營事業單位，應該要遵守法律主動通報，以作為守法的表率，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-08-10T09:46:32.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-08-10T09:46:33.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
台糖，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-08-10T09:46:33.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-08-10T09:46:34.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
我們當然是要…… |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-08-10T09:46:34+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-08-10T09:46:37.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
是不是應該作為守法的表率，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-08-10T09:46:38+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-08-10T09:46:38.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
是，當然。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-08-10T09:46:39.444444+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-08-10T09:46:40.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
所以現在是在打臉政府嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.455 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-08-10T09:46:41+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-08-10T09:46:42.857143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
沒有，我要跟委員報告…… |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-08-10T09:46:43.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-08-10T09:46:51.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
藐視了政府立的法，且沒有依法主動通報，卻要求民間一定要做到？ |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-08-10T09:46:52+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-08-10T09:46:54.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
這標準太奇怪了！ |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-08-10T09:46:55.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-08-10T09:47:05.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
跟委員報告，我們買的是原料油，粗油經過精煉之後可以把苯駢芘拿掉大部分…… |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.844 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-08-10T09:47:07+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-08-10T09:47:11.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
請經濟部長，衛福部署長也請一起上來。 |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-08-10T09:47:13+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-08-10T09:47:51.857143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
你們看，113年3月11號召開的食品業者自主管理說明會官方所公告的內容，其中第三點白紙黑字寫得非常清楚，「食品業者於發現原料或產品有危害衛生安全之處時，應主動停止製造、加工、販賣及辦理回收，並通報直轄市、縣（市）主管機關，違法者，依食安法第四十七條第二款處新臺幣三萬元以上三百萬元以下罰鍰。 |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.808 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-08-10T09:47:53+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-08-10T09:48:00.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
」部長，這裡寫得這麼清楚，我想聽聽您的說法。 |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-08-10T09:48:01+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-08-10T09:48:08.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
報告委員，我剛才講過了，311號油槽的油並沒有流到市面，而且它是粗油…… |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-08-10T09:48:08.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-08-10T09:48:10.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
可以通報啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-08-10T09:48:10.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-08-10T09:48:11.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
並非食品安全規範的範圍…… |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-08-10T09:48:12+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-08-10T09:48:14.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
你又落入文字漏洞！ |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-08-10T09:48:16+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-08-10T09:48:24.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
部長，我們應該正式面對這樣的問題，因為這才是我們要的，這才是人民要的！ |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-08-10T09:48:25+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-08-10T09:48:29.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
但到目前為止，花了這麼多時間，還是不清不楚！ |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-08-10T09:48:30+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-08-10T09:48:36.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
後續如果大院修正食安法且通過的話，我們當然依法辦理，依法遵守。 |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.821 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-08-10T09:48:37+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-08-10T09:48:42.727273+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
113年的公告已經明明白白、白紙黑字寫得那麼清楚！ |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-08-10T09:48:44.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-08-10T09:48:53.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
部長，本席要跟你討論的是，到現在為止，你能夠協助民眾什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-08-10T09:48:54+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-08-10T09:49:05.846154+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
我首先請教，這絕對不是單一事件，政府無能，民眾就無奈，這樣將造成國家食安防線全面失守！ |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-08-10T09:49:07.090909+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-08-10T09:49:37.727273+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
你說只管產品不管原料，等於讓整個法規斷鏈；台糖知情不報，而你卻成為台糖的律師為他辯護，這是行政怠惰；還有，違法業者居然能出席下架標準會議干預決策，這等於決策染黑！ |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.712 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-08-10T09:49:38.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-08-10T09:49:54.727273+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
部長、台糖副總經理跟衛福部食安署長，你們都在這裡，法規斷鏈、主管機關卸責加上利益迴避機制失靈，等於系統性的崩潰。 |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0.58 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-08-10T09:49:55.444444+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-08-10T09:50:11.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
而經濟部更離譜，到底是誰這麼天才，把這樣的事件比照成去菜市場買菜，說買菜時不會去向市場報告這個葉子爛掉？ |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0.771 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-08-10T09:50:12+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-08-10T09:50:13.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
這是誰這麼天才啊？ |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-08-10T09:50:14+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-08-10T09:50:18.615385+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
你把我們整個國家的食安當兒戲啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-08-10T09:50:19+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-08-10T09:50:25.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
一級致癌物，竟然有這樣的回復給社會大眾看笑話！ |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-08-10T09:50:26+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-08-10T09:50:28.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
部長，誰這麼天才？ |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-08-10T09:50:29+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-08-10T09:50:30.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
是不把食安當成一回事嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-08-10T09:50:31+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2026-08-10T09:50:36.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
還是經濟部認為是沒事的，怎麼會比擬成這樣子呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-08-10T09:50:37+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2026-08-10T09:50:39.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
你覺得這個比擬適當嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-08-10T09:50:40+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2026-08-10T09:50:41.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
請教部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-08-10T09:50:42.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2026-08-10T09:50:51.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
台糖公司依法行政，所有人都是守法的公務人員，經濟部有這個責任要保護這些守法的公務人員。 |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-08-10T09:50:52+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2026-08-10T09:50:53.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
你要不要保護我們的食安啊？ |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-08-10T09:50:54+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2026-08-10T09:50:55.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
當然啊，我們是依法。 |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2026-08-10T09:50:56+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2026-08-10T09:51:05.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].text |
你認為經濟部把食安這麼嚴肅的一個議題，比擬成去菜市場買菜，你覺得這個適當嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2026-08-10T09:51:06+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2026-08-10T09:51:07.285714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].text |
剛剛已經說明了，311油槽的油並沒有流出去。 |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
0.471 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2026-08-10T09:51:08+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2026-08-10T09:51:09.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].text |
請教你認為這個適當嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2026-08-10T09:51:10+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[113].end |
2026-08-10T09:51:14.785714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].text |
請教你，這是經濟部給社會大眾的回應，你認為這個適當嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2026-08-10T09:51:16+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[114].end |
2026-08-10T09:51:17.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].text |
沒有，這只是一個比喻，白話的比喻…… |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
0.643 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2026-08-10T09:51:18+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[115].end |
2026-08-10T09:51:19.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].text |
你認為適不適當？ |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2026-08-10T09:51:19.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[116].end |
2026-08-10T09:51:21.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].text |
沒關係，事過了，你認為適不適當？ |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2026-08-10T09:51:22+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2026-08-10T09:51:25.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].text |
如果委員覺得不恰當的話，那我也尊重委員的…… |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2026-08-10T09:51:26+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2026-08-10T09:51:27.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].text |
不是我認為，是你不能反質詢！ |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2026-08-10T09:51:28+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[119].end |
2026-08-10T09:51:30.785714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].text |
請問你認為這樣子的比喻適當嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[119].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2026-08-10T09:51:31+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[120].end |
2026-08-10T09:51:32.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].text |
我尊重委員的說法。 |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2026-08-10T09:51:33+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[121].end |
2026-08-10T09:51:33.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].text |
你認為適當嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[121].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[122].start |
2026-08-10T09:51:34+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[122].end |
2026-08-10T09:51:35.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].text |
我尊重委員的說法。 |
| transcript.gazette[122].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[123].start |
2026-08-10T09:51:36+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[123].end |
2026-08-10T09:51:36.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].text |
你認為適當嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[123].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[124].start |
2026-08-10T09:51:37+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[124].end |
2026-08-10T09:51:38.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].text |
本席請問，請回答。 |
| transcript.gazette[124].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[125].start |
2026-08-10T09:51:39.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[125].end |
2026-08-10T09:51:41.875000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].text |
如果委員覺得不適當的話，我尊重委員的說法。 |
| transcript.gazette[125].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[126].start |
2026-08-10T09:51:42.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[126].end |
2026-08-10T09:51:44.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].text |
我認為不適當，你認為是不是不適當？ |
| transcript.gazette[126].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[127].start |
2026-08-10T09:51:45+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[127].end |
2026-08-10T09:51:47.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].text |
所以我就尊重委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[127].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[128].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[128].start |
2026-08-10T09:51:48+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[128].end |
2026-08-10T09:51:52.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].text |
最後，本席要請教，剛剛也報告了，我們的消費者要怎麼辦？ |
| transcript.gazette[128].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[129].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[129].start |
2026-08-10T09:51:52.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[129].end |
2026-08-10T09:51:54.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].text |
消費者現在已經有求償機制了。 |
| transcript.gazette[129].quality |
0.154 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[130].start |
2026-08-10T09:51:54.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[130].end |
2026-08-10T09:52:05.857143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].text |
我是問經濟部，現在消費者包括很多的小攤商、中小企業，都在你的轄下，你要不要組一個專案小組協助他們求償？ |
| transcript.gazette[130].quality |
0.891 |
| transcript.gazette[131].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[131].start |
2026-08-10T09:52:06+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[131].end |
2026-08-10T09:52:06.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].text |
有的、有的。 |
| transcript.gazette[131].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[132].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[132].start |
2026-08-10T09:52:07+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[132].end |
2026-08-10T09:52:07.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].text |
要不要？ |
| transcript.gazette[132].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[133].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[133].start |
2026-08-10T09:52:08+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[133].end |
2026-08-10T09:52:10.857143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].text |
有，以公協會來講，他們如果要求償，我們會給予協助，消費者…… |
| transcript.gazette[133].quality |
0.708 |
| transcript.gazette[134].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[134].start |
2026-08-10T09:52:11+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[134].end |
2026-08-10T09:52:12.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].text |
不是，你自己要主動啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[134].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[135].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[135].start |
2026-08-10T09:52:13+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[135].end |
2026-08-10T09:52:14.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].text |
已經有召開座談會了。 |
| transcript.gazette[135].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[136].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[136].start |
2026-08-10T09:52:15.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[136].end |
2026-08-10T09:52:15.888889+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].text |
你會不會主動？ |
| transcript.gazette[136].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[137].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[137].start |
2026-08-10T09:52:16+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[137].end |
2026-08-10T09:52:25.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].text |
經濟部成立專案小組協助這些中小企業、攤商、業者，大家一起來協助他們，不要讓他們求償無門。 |
| transcript.gazette[137].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[138].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[138].start |
2026-08-10T09:52:26+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[138].end |
2026-08-10T09:52:26.857143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].text |
對，我們會，我們會…… |
| transcript.gazette[138].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[139].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[139].start |
2026-08-10T09:52:27+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[139].end |
2026-08-10T09:52:27.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].text |
成立專案小組？ |
| transcript.gazette[139].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[140].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[140].start |
2026-08-10T09:52:28+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[140].end |
2026-08-10T09:52:28.857143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].text |
座談會，已經有座談會了。 |
| transcript.gazette[140].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[141].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[141].start |
2026-08-10T09:52:29+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[141].end |
2026-08-10T09:52:30.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].text |
會成立專案小組，是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[141].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[142].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[142].start |
2026-08-10T09:52:31+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[142].end |
2026-08-10T09:52:31.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].text |
來協助他們。 |
| transcript.gazette[142].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[143].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[143].start |
2026-08-10T09:52:32.444444+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[143].end |
2026-08-10T09:52:35.555556+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].text |
他們還是要主動啦，因為求償的權利是在他們手上。 |
| transcript.gazette[143].quality |
0.619 |
| transcript.gazette[144].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[144].start |
2026-08-10T09:52:36+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[144].end |
2026-08-10T09:52:39.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].text |
我具體建議，請經濟部主動來協助，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[144].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[145].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[145].start |
2026-08-10T09:52:40+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[145].end |
2026-08-10T09:52:44+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].text |
好，謝謝部長、署長，還有楊瓊瓔委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[145].quality |
0.071 |
| transcript.gazette[146].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[146].start |
2026-08-10T09:52:44.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[146].end |
2026-08-10T09:52:48.014286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].text |
接下來，我們請鍾佳濱委員質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[146].quality |
0.154 |