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楊瓊瓔 @ 第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:07,000 | 好 請問各位同仁 上次會議是有無錯誤 |
| 00:00:07,000 | 00:00:10,000 | 無錯誤 議事錄確定 |
| 00:00:10,000 | 00:00:13,000 | 那接下來我們請這個楊瓊英委員諮詢 |
| 00:00:30,000 | 00:00:36,000 | 謝謝主席 楊瓊發言 首先邀請部長跟台糖公司 |
| 00:00:36,000 | 00:00:38,000 | 來 邀請部長跟台糖 |
| 00:00:42,000 | 00:00:44,000 | 楊委員早安 |
| 00:00:44,000 | 00:00:52,000 | 部長好 我想我們今天主要是針對於國營事業的這個食安防線跟法規的漏洞的一個總檢討 |
| 00:00:53,000 | 00:00:59,000 | 那終於由此本篇筆 在這一次超標的案件爆發之後 |
| 00:00:59,000 | 00:01:05,000 | 究竟是誰讓一級的這個致癌物在公益鏈中隱形 |
| 00:01:05,000 | 00:01:09,000 | 那在開始質詢之前 我想首先要請教兩位 |
| 00:01:09,000 | 00:01:16,000 | 面對這一次引發我們全台的這個恐慌的重大食安的危機呢 |
| 00:01:16,000 | 00:01:20,000 | 那兩位認為國營事業在其中 |
| 00:01:20,000 | 00:01:27,000 | 到底有沒有應該要主動的監督與通報的責任 |
| 00:01:27,000 | 00:01:28,000 | 請教部長 |
| 00:01:30,000 | 00:01:35,000 | 部長委員 我覺得所有的公務員都是依法行政 按規定來辦理 |
| 00:01:35,000 | 00:01:40,000 | 那台糖公司已經 它是有依法行政 |
| 00:01:40,000 | 00:01:41,000 | 最主要就是 |
| 00:01:41,000 | 00:01:45,000 | 所以到底它應不應當要主動通報呢 |
| 00:01:45,000 | 00:01:48,000 | 你經濟部也應該要全面監督啊 |
| 00:01:48,000 | 00:01:49,000 | 是 報委員 |
| 00:01:49,000 | 00:01:52,000 | 你認為需不需要 你這樣回答我需不需要就好 |
| 00:01:52,000 | 00:01:55,000 | 我之前已經有說明 因為那個311的油潮 |
| 00:01:55,000 | 00:01:57,000 | 請教需不需要 請告訴我 |
| 00:01:57,000 | 00:02:02,000 | 因為這個311油潮的油的所有人 出油的所有人 |
| 00:02:02,000 | 00:02:03,000 | 他是中聯的 |
| 00:02:03,000 | 00:02:07,000 | 所以中聯事後要怎麼處置是311的油啊 |
| 00:02:07,000 | 00:02:09,000 | 事實上是他來決定 |
| 00:02:09,000 | 00:02:11,000 | 部長 請針對本席的提問 |
| 00:02:11,000 | 00:02:16,000 | 請問你經濟部的立場是不是應該要全面監督 |
| 00:02:16,000 | 00:02:20,000 | 台糖也應該要主動的通報 是不是需要 |
| 00:02:20,000 | 00:02:22,000 | 本席只要問這個請教 |
| 00:02:22,000 | 00:02:24,000 | 是 如果依法要通報就通報 |
| 00:02:24,000 | 00:02:28,000 | 如果依法沒有那個通報的義務 那也不一定要通報 |
| 00:02:28,000 | 00:02:31,000 | 這是你的回答 來請教台糖 |
| 00:02:33,000 | 00:02:34,000 | 請台糖 |
| 00:02:34,000 | 00:02:35,000 | 委員好 |
| 00:02:35,000 | 00:02:37,000 | 請問 剛剛的題目 |
| 00:02:37,000 | 00:02:40,000 | 你認為台糖在發現5月15號 |
| 00:02:40,000 | 00:02:48,000 | 拿到的結果是超標的7倍14點多的PPB本篇比 |
| 00:02:48,000 | 00:02:51,000 | 你認為需不需要通報 |
| 00:02:51,000 | 00:02:53,000 | 你需不需要通報 |
| 00:02:53,000 | 00:02:56,000 | 是 跟委員報告 我剛才也有清楚的表達 |
| 00:02:56,000 | 00:03:00,000 | 其實本篇比的標準它是在使用油上面 |
| 00:03:00,000 | 00:03:04,000 | 請教 針對本席的提問 |
| 00:03:04,000 | 00:03:07,000 | 你有沒有通報給經濟部 沒有 |
| 00:03:07,000 | 00:03:10,000 | 好 那麼你們在5月份的時候 |
| 00:03:10,000 | 00:03:12,000 | 就已經拿到了這一份的檢驗報告 |
| 00:03:12,000 | 00:03:15,000 | 那也明知道這是確認 |
| 00:03:15,000 | 00:03:19,000 | 這一批的油品是含有劇毒的致癌物 |
| 00:03:19,000 | 00:03:22,000 | 5月到7月 整整兩個月 |
| 00:03:22,000 | 00:03:25,000 | 我們台糖是大廠 作為國藝事業 |
| 00:03:25,000 | 00:03:29,000 | 為什麼你選擇知情不報呢 為什麼 |
| 00:03:30,000 | 00:03:35,000 | 它不在我們現行的食安法通報的範圍之內 |
| 00:03:35,000 | 00:03:37,000 | 好 這是你的回答 經濟部 |
| 00:03:37,000 | 00:03:39,000 | 你作為主管機關單位 |
| 00:03:39,000 | 00:03:43,000 | 當時有沒有人會知道台糖的這個事件呢 |
| 00:03:43,000 | 00:03:45,000 | 有沒有 經濟部 |
| 00:03:45,000 | 00:03:47,000 | 有沒有 沒有 |
| 00:03:47,000 | 00:03:49,000 | 所以你是不知道的嘛 |
| 00:03:49,000 | 00:03:54,000 | 所以從台糖的5月15號得知了這個14.7PPB的時候 |
| 00:03:54,000 | 00:03:57,000 | 到什麼時候我們經濟部才知道 |
| 00:03:57,000 | 00:03:59,000 | 幾月幾號才知道 |
| 00:03:59,000 | 00:04:02,000 | 7月以後 我們去 7月以後 |
| 00:04:02,000 | 00:04:04,000 | 7月以後是什麼時候啊 |
| 00:04:04,000 | 00:04:07,000 | 7月以後經濟部才知道 |
| 00:04:07,000 | 00:04:10,000 | 是不是 是嗎 |
| 00:04:10,000 | 00:04:11,000 | 是啊 7月以後才知道 |
| 00:04:11,000 | 00:04:14,000 | 你7月以後才知道 好 |
| 00:04:14,000 | 00:04:16,000 | 部長 民間的親人南僑 |
| 00:04:16,000 | 00:04:20,000 | 他主動吹哨都要被罰300萬 |
| 00:04:20,000 | 00:04:23,000 | 我們台糖是國藝事業單位 |
| 00:04:23,000 | 00:04:26,000 | 是全國全體國民非常信任的 |
| 00:04:26,000 | 00:04:28,000 | 那當你發現了 |
| 00:04:28,000 | 00:04:31,000 | 有這麼嚴重的致癌物的時候 |
| 00:04:31,000 | 00:04:34,000 | 你只有說 我去收 我不買了 |
| 00:04:34,000 | 00:04:37,000 | 你讓這些的有毒的油品 |
| 00:04:37,000 | 00:04:40,000 | 再繼續留在這個供應鏈裡頭 |
| 00:04:40,000 | 00:04:47,000 | 如果不是檢調跟衛福單位全面的清查 |
| 00:04:47,000 | 00:04:51,000 | 那這些原料是不是還是會任由在下游的這個業者 |
| 00:04:51,000 | 00:04:54,000 | 裡頭吃下肚呢 |
| 00:04:54,000 | 00:04:56,000 | 那這叫什麼食安把關啊 |
| 00:04:56,000 | 00:04:58,000 | 沒有啊 311的這個油槽的油 |
| 00:04:58,000 | 00:05:01,000 | 現在還在中聯那邊 它沒有出來 |
| 00:05:01,000 | 00:05:04,000 | 所以就是台灣公司給他警告以後 |
| 00:05:04,000 | 00:05:06,000 | 事實上這一批油它沒有出來 |
| 00:05:06,000 | 00:05:08,000 | 出來是其他批的油 |
| 00:05:08,000 | 00:05:12,000 | 那其他批的油跟台糖沒有關係啊 |
| 00:05:12,000 | 00:05:15,000 | 部長 請針對問題回答 |
| 00:05:15,000 | 00:05:17,000 | 造成了這麼大的風暴 |
| 00:05:17,000 | 00:05:20,000 | 我們應該要去看怎麼樣去檢討 |
| 00:05:20,000 | 00:05:21,000 | 去改進 |
| 00:05:21,000 | 00:05:23,000 | 讓這個事件不要再發生 |
| 00:05:23,000 | 00:05:25,000 | 因為食安是底線 |
| 00:05:25,000 | 00:05:28,000 | 所以在這裡本席要再一次的請教 |
| 00:05:28,000 | 00:05:32,000 | 民間他發現有劇毒的原料的時候 |
| 00:05:32,000 | 00:05:37,000 | 他依規定要這個啟動吹哨者機制 |
| 00:05:37,000 | 00:05:40,000 | 並且要通報 |
| 00:05:40,000 | 00:05:44,000 | 那反方我們全國最新來的國營事業台糖 |
| 00:05:44,000 | 00:05:48,000 | 現在是默默退了貨 至少門前雪 |
| 00:05:48,000 | 00:05:51,000 | 所以在這樣的情況之下 |
| 00:05:51,000 | 00:05:53,000 | 本席要請教 |
| 00:05:53,000 | 00:05:57,000 | 台糖你不受食安法的一個規範嗎 |
| 00:05:57,000 | 00:05:59,000 | 報告委員 |
| 00:05:59,000 | 00:06:03,000 | 現在目前你們只有說法規沒有強制要報 |
| 00:06:03,000 | 00:06:05,000 | 你們現在就用這個藉口 |
| 00:06:05,000 | 00:06:07,000 | 還要再用這個藉口嗎 |
| 00:06:07,000 | 00:06:09,000 | 已經這麼大的一個風暴 |
| 00:06:09,000 | 00:06:11,000 | 你有沒有受食安法的規範 |
| 00:06:11,000 | 00:06:15,000 | 如果說今天台糖公司買的是食用油超標 |
| 00:06:15,000 | 00:06:17,000 | 台糖公司一定會通報 |
| 00:06:17,000 | 00:06:18,000 | 請教台糖 |
| 00:06:18,000 | 00:06:21,000 | 你們有沒有受食安法的一個規範 |
| 00:06:21,000 | 00:06:22,000 | 有 |
| 00:06:22,000 | 00:06:23,000 | 你們有嗎 |
| 00:06:23,000 | 00:06:24,000 | 好 |
| 00:06:24,000 | 00:06:27,000 | 面對這個原料半成品的這個部分 |
| 00:06:27,000 | 00:06:30,000 | 未收入的這個脫膠的出油 |
| 00:06:30,000 | 00:06:33,000 | 現行食安法第七條第五項 |
| 00:06:33,000 | 00:06:36,000 | 它規範產品需主動通報 |
| 00:06:36,000 | 00:06:38,000 | 但是這個也因為這樣子的一個文字 |
| 00:06:38,000 | 00:06:44,000 | 成為經濟部跟臥服部的免責附身符 |
| 00:06:44,000 | 00:06:46,000 | 你讓部長你聽清楚 |
| 00:06:46,000 | 00:06:49,000 | 讓法律文字的灰色地帶成了 |
| 00:06:49,000 | 00:06:52,000 | 一級致癌物的防火牆 |
| 00:06:52,000 | 00:06:54,000 | 目前的現況是如此 |
| 00:06:54,000 | 00:06:55,000 | 好 |
| 00:06:55,000 | 00:06:57,000 | 那現在部長 |
| 00:06:57,000 | 00:06:59,000 | 衛福部已經說 |
| 00:06:59,000 | 00:07:00,000 | 他已經預告 |
| 00:07:00,000 | 00:07:04,000 | 要未來將修法納入強制通報 |
| 00:07:04,000 | 00:07:06,000 | 這也表示了目前的法規 |
| 00:07:06,000 | 00:07:08,000 | 它是千瘡百孔 |
| 00:07:08,000 | 00:07:11,000 | 所以在這樣的一個情況之下 |
| 00:07:11,000 | 00:07:13,000 | 等一下請教 |
| 00:07:13,000 | 00:07:15,000 | 在修法的空窗期 |
| 00:07:15,000 | 00:07:17,000 | 民間企業它是存在 |
| 00:07:17,000 | 00:07:20,000 | 合法部通報的一個現象 |
| 00:07:20,000 | 00:07:22,000 | 那政府你也無從 |
| 00:07:22,000 | 00:07:25,000 | 無從知道每一次的檢驗詳情 |
| 00:07:25,000 | 00:07:29,000 | 但是我們台糖是國營事業單位 |
| 00:07:29,000 | 00:07:31,000 | 我們應該要遵守法律 |
| 00:07:31,000 | 00:07:32,000 | 要主動通報 |
| 00:07:32,000 | 00:07:34,000 | 要作為守法的表率 |
| 00:07:34,000 | 00:07:35,000 | 對不對 |
| 00:07:35,000 | 00:07:37,000 | 台糖對不對 |
| 00:07:37,000 | 00:07:40,000 | 是不是應該作為守法的表率 |
| 00:07:40,000 | 00:07:41,000 | 對不對 |
| 00:07:41,000 | 00:07:42,000 | 當然 |
| 00:07:42,000 | 00:07:44,000 | 我們是打臉政府的臉 |
| 00:07:44,000 | 00:07:45,000 | 沒有 |
| 00:07:45,000 | 00:07:46,000 | 我要跟委員報告 |
| 00:07:46,000 | 00:07:48,000 | 因為藐視了政府的立法 |
| 00:07:48,000 | 00:07:49,000 | 的立法 |
| 00:07:49,000 | 00:07:53,000 | 至今沒有依法主動通報 |
| 00:07:53,000 | 00:07:55,000 | 那我們要求民間一定要做到 |
| 00:07:55,000 | 00:07:58,000 | 這是標準太奇怪了吧 |
| 00:07:58,000 | 00:08:00,000 | 我們我跟委員報告 |
| 00:08:00,000 | 00:08:02,000 | 我們買的是原料油 |
| 00:08:02,000 | 00:08:05,000 | 那原料油這個粗油 |
| 00:08:05,000 | 00:08:06,000 | 它是可以經過精煉之後 |
| 00:08:06,000 | 00:08:08,000 | 把本田皮拿掉 |
| 00:08:08,000 | 00:08:09,000 | 大部分 |
| 00:08:09,000 | 00:08:10,000 | 好 |
| 00:08:10,000 | 00:08:12,000 | 經濟部長跟衛福部 |
| 00:08:12,000 | 00:08:13,000 | 衛福部在這裡 |
| 00:08:13,000 | 00:08:15,000 | 來那個署長一起上 |
| 00:08:15,000 | 00:08:16,000 | 謝謝 |
| 00:08:16,000 | 00:08:17,000 | 你們看 |
| 00:08:17,000 | 00:08:19,000 | 你們看 |
| 00:08:19,000 | 00:08:22,000 | 第113年3月11號召開的 |
| 00:08:22,000 | 00:08:26,000 | 食品業者自主管理說明會的 |
| 00:08:26,000 | 00:08:28,000 | 官方公告內容 |
| 00:08:28,000 | 00:08:29,000 | 第三點 |
| 00:08:29,000 | 00:08:32,000 | 白紙寫的非常清楚 |
| 00:08:32,000 | 00:08:35,000 | 食品業者於發現原油或者是產品 |
| 00:08:35,000 | 00:08:38,000 | 有危害衛生安全之餘 |
| 00:08:38,000 | 00:08:41,000 | 應主動停止製造加工 |
| 00:08:41,000 | 00:08:43,000 | 販賣及辦理回收 |
| 00:08:43,000 | 00:08:45,000 | 並通報直屬機關單位 |
| 00:08:45,000 | 00:08:46,000 | 主管單位 |
| 00:08:46,000 | 00:08:50,000 | 違法者必須要依食安法的第47條 |
| 00:08:50,000 | 00:08:54,000 | 第二款處新台幣3萬元以上 |
| 00:08:54,000 | 00:08:56,000 | 300萬元以下的還款 |
| 00:08:56,000 | 00:08:58,000 | 部長 |
| 00:08:58,000 | 00:09:00,000 | 這裡寫的這麼清楚 |
| 00:09:02,000 | 00:09:04,000 | 我想聽聽您的說法 |
| 00:09:04,000 | 00:09:06,000 | 報告委員我剛才講過了 |
| 00:09:06,000 | 00:09:10,000 | 311那個油槽的油並沒有流到市面 |
| 00:09:10,000 | 00:09:12,000 | 而且它是一個出油 |
| 00:09:12,000 | 00:09:15,000 | 它也不是一個食品安全規範的犯規 |
| 00:09:15,000 | 00:09:18,000 | 你又是繞在文字的一個漏洞 |
| 00:09:18,000 | 00:09:20,000 | 所以部長 |
| 00:09:20,000 | 00:09:24,000 | 我們應該要正式的面對這樣子的一個問題 |
| 00:09:24,000 | 00:09:26,000 | 因為這才是我們要的 |
| 00:09:26,000 | 00:09:28,000 | 這才是人民要的 |
| 00:09:28,000 | 00:09:31,000 | 到目前為止這麼多時間 |
| 00:09:31,000 | 00:09:33,000 | 我們還不清不楚 |
| 00:09:33,000 | 00:09:37,000 | 後續如果食安法修正大院通過的話 |
| 00:09:37,000 | 00:09:39,000 | 我們當然是依法辦理 |
| 00:09:39,000 | 00:09:40,000 | 依法遵守 |
| 00:09:40,000 | 00:09:43,000 | 113年的公告已經明明白白 |
| 00:09:43,000 | 00:09:46,000 | 白紙寫一字寫得那麼清楚 |
| 00:09:46,000 | 00:09:49,000 | 所以來 部長 |
| 00:09:49,000 | 00:09:51,000 | 本下跟你討論的 |
| 00:09:51,000 | 00:09:54,000 | 民眾到現在為止 |
| 00:09:54,000 | 00:09:57,000 | 你能夠協助民眾什麼 |
| 00:09:57,000 | 00:09:59,000 | 我們首先來請教 |
| 00:09:59,000 | 00:10:02,000 | 這絕對不是一個單一事件 |
| 00:10:02,000 | 00:10:05,000 | 政府的無能民眾就無奈 |
| 00:10:05,000 | 00:10:07,000 | 所以在這樣的情況之下 |
| 00:10:07,000 | 00:10:09,000 | 我們國家食安防線的全面失守 |
| 00:10:09,000 | 00:10:12,000 | 那你現在你說只有管產品 |
| 00:10:12,000 | 00:10:14,000 | 你不管原料 |
| 00:10:14,000 | 00:10:17,000 | 你等於是在整個法規的鍛煉 |
| 00:10:17,000 | 00:10:19,000 | 台南知情不報 |
| 00:10:19,000 | 00:10:22,000 | 你又作為他的台唐的律師 |
| 00:10:22,000 | 00:10:23,000 | 在做辯護 |
| 00:10:23,000 | 00:10:25,000 | 這個是行政帶動 |
| 00:10:25,000 | 00:10:27,000 | 接下來我們要看 |
| 00:10:27,000 | 00:10:31,000 | 違法者的業者能夠出席 |
| 00:10:31,000 | 00:10:36,000 | 下架標準的會議的決策 |
| 00:10:38,000 | 00:10:41,000 | 這等於是決策的一個人黑 |
| 00:10:41,000 | 00:10:42,000 | 所以部長 |
| 00:10:42,000 | 00:10:44,000 | 台唐跟食安署在這裡 |
| 00:10:44,000 | 00:10:46,000 | 衛福部在這裡 |
| 00:10:46,000 | 00:10:50,000 | 供應鍛煉這個訊息 |
| 00:10:50,000 | 00:10:53,000 | 以及主管機關的一個卸責 |
| 00:10:53,000 | 00:10:55,000 | 利益迴避的失靈 |
| 00:10:55,000 | 00:10:58,000 | 等於是我們系統性的崩潰 |
| 00:10:58,000 | 00:11:00,000 | 所以經濟部更離譜的 |
| 00:11:00,000 | 00:11:02,000 | 把這樣的事件 |
| 00:11:02,000 | 00:11:04,000 | 是誰這麼天才 |
| 00:11:04,000 | 00:11:08,000 | 把它比造成是去菜市場買菜 |
| 00:11:09,000 | 00:11:13,000 | 買菜不會去向市場去報告 |
| 00:11:13,000 | 00:11:15,000 | 這個葉子爛掉 |
| 00:11:15,000 | 00:11:17,000 | 這是誰這麼天才 |
| 00:11:17,000 | 00:11:22,000 | 你把我們整個國家食安當兒戲 |
| 00:11:22,000 | 00:11:25,000 | 一級自來務竟然有這樣的回覆 |
| 00:11:25,000 | 00:11:27,000 | 給社會大眾 |
| 00:11:27,000 | 00:11:29,000 | 看笑話 |
| 00:11:29,000 | 00:11:30,000 | 部長 |
| 00:11:30,000 | 00:11:32,000 | 誰這麼天才 |
| 00:11:32,000 | 00:11:34,000 | 是把食安當成不一回事嗎 |
| 00:11:34,000 | 00:11:37,000 | 還是在經濟部認為是沒事的 |
| 00:11:38,000 | 00:11:40,000 | 怎麼會比您這樣子呢 |
| 00:11:40,000 | 00:11:43,000 | 你覺得這個比您適當嗎 |
| 00:11:43,000 | 00:11:45,000 | 請教部長 |
| 00:11:45,000 | 00:11:48,000 | 台航公司依法行政 |
| 00:11:48,000 | 00:11:50,000 | 所有的守法的公務人員 |
| 00:11:50,000 | 00:11:53,000 | 經濟部有這個責任要保護 |
| 00:11:53,000 | 00:11:55,000 | 這些守法的公務人員 |
| 00:11:55,000 | 00:11:57,000 | 你要不要保護我們的食安 |
| 00:11:57,000 | 00:11:58,000 | 當然了 |
| 00:11:58,000 | 00:11:59,000 | 我們是依法 |
| 00:11:59,000 | 00:12:01,000 | 你認為你們把經濟部 |
| 00:12:01,000 | 00:12:04,000 | 把食安這麼嚴肅的議題 |
| 00:12:04,000 | 00:12:07,000 | 你把它比給菜市場買菜 |
| 00:12:07,000 | 00:12:09,000 | 你覺得這個適當嗎 |
| 00:12:09,000 | 00:12:10,000 | 剛剛已經說明了 |
| 00:12:10,000 | 00:12:11,000 | 三一有朝一有後 |
| 00:12:11,000 | 00:12:13,000 | 請教你認為這個適當嗎 |
| 00:12:13,000 | 00:12:15,000 | 請教你這個經濟部的回應 |
| 00:12:15,000 | 00:12:18,000 | 給社會大眾你認為這個是適當嗎 |
| 00:12:19,000 | 00:12:21,000 | 沒有這只是一個比喻 |
| 00:12:21,000 | 00:12:23,000 | 你認為適不適當沒關係 |
| 00:12:23,000 | 00:12:25,000 | 吃過了你認為適不適當 |
| 00:12:25,000 | 00:12:27,000 | 如果委員覺得不恰當的話 |
| 00:12:27,000 | 00:12:29,000 | 那我也尊重委員的 |
| 00:12:29,000 | 00:12:31,000 | 不是我認為是你不能反質詢 |
| 00:12:31,000 | 00:12:34,000 | 請問你認為這樣子的比喻適當嗎 |
| 00:12:34,000 | 00:12:36,000 | 我尊重委員的說法 |
| 00:12:36,000 | 00:12:37,000 | 你認為適當嗎 |
| 00:12:37,000 | 00:12:39,000 | 我尊重委員的說法 |
| 00:12:39,000 | 00:12:40,000 | 你認為適當嗎 |
| 00:12:40,000 | 00:12:42,000 | 本席請問請回答 |
| 00:12:42,000 | 00:12:44,000 | 對如果委員覺得不適當的話 |
| 00:12:44,000 | 00:12:45,000 | 我尊重委員的說法 |
| 00:12:45,000 | 00:12:46,000 | 那你我認為不適當 |
| 00:12:46,000 | 00:12:48,000 | 你認為是不是不適當 |
| 00:12:48,000 | 00:12:50,000 | 所以我就尊重委員 |
| 00:12:50,000 | 00:12:51,000 | 尊重委員 |
| 00:12:51,000 | 00:12:52,000 | 最後本席要請教 |
| 00:12:52,000 | 00:12:54,000 | 剛剛也報告了 |
| 00:12:54,000 | 00:12:56,000 | 我們的消費者要怎麼辦 |
| 00:12:57,000 | 00:12:59,000 | 現在經濟部 |
| 00:12:59,000 | 00:13:01,000 | 我們現在消費者 |
| 00:13:01,000 | 00:13:03,000 | 因為有很多的小攤商 |
| 00:13:03,000 | 00:13:06,000 | 有很多的中小企業都在你的轄下 |
| 00:13:06,000 | 00:13:08,000 | 你要不要組一個專案小組 |
| 00:13:08,000 | 00:13:09,000 | 來協助他們求償 |
| 00:13:09,000 | 00:13:10,000 | 有的有的 |
| 00:13:10,000 | 00:13:11,000 | 要不要 |
| 00:13:11,000 | 00:13:12,000 | 有工學會來講 |
| 00:13:12,000 | 00:13:13,000 | 他們如果要求償 |
| 00:13:13,000 | 00:13:14,000 | 我們會給你協助 |
| 00:13:14,000 | 00:13:16,000 | 不是你自己要主動 |
| 00:13:16,000 | 00:13:18,000 | 已經有召開座談會了 |
| 00:13:18,000 | 00:13:19,000 | 你要主你會不會主動 |
| 00:13:19,000 | 00:13:21,000 | 經濟部成立專案小組 |
| 00:13:21,000 | 00:13:23,000 | 來協助這些中小企業 |
| 00:13:23,000 | 00:13:25,000 | 攤商來這個業者 |
| 00:13:25,000 | 00:13:27,000 | 大家一起來協助他們 |
| 00:13:27,000 | 00:13:29,000 | 不要讓他們求償無門 |
| 00:13:29,000 | 00:13:30,000 | 對我們會我們會 |
| 00:13:30,000 | 00:13:31,000 | 成立專案小組 |
| 00:13:31,000 | 00:13:32,000 | 已經有座談會了 |
| 00:13:32,000 | 00:13:34,000 | 會成立專案小組是嗎 |
| 00:13:34,000 | 00:13:35,000 | 來協助他們 |
| 00:13:35,000 | 00:13:37,000 | 還是他們還是要主動 |
| 00:13:37,000 | 00:13:39,000 | 因為這個求償的權力 |
| 00:13:39,000 | 00:13:42,000 | 我自己建議請經濟部主動來協助 |
| 00:13:42,000 | 00:13:43,000 | 謝謝 |
| 00:13:43,000 | 00:13:44,000 | 好我們謝謝 |