| IVOD_ID |
170870 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170870 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
25 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-10T09:22:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-10T09:38:47+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/11f3ac9a4aee4d25ede88004fae5ca6340bd953ec8f8f090192c65f10303680ff3b9796bc518a7b75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪毓祥 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:22:02 - 09:38:47 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長率台灣糖業股份有限公司董事長、法務部首長、衛生福利部首長及審計部首長就「台灣糖業股份有限公司經營治理及風險控管之檢討—中聯油脂事件、台糖售地案等重大債權追償暨審計部114年度決算審核意見改善情形」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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0 |
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1.3 |
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趙委請做發言 |
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10.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].end |
12.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].text |
好 謝謝主席 |
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12.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].end |
17.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].text |
我們有請台銅跟經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].start |
17.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].end |
18.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].text |
我們請兩位 |
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26.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].end |
27.14 |
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好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].start |
27.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].end |
27.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].text |
趙委早安 |
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27.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].end |
28.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].text |
早 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
28.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
30.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
我想今天的話呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
30.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
31.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
我們安排這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
31.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
34.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
其實中聯的油紙的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
34.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
36.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
只是一個單一事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
36.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
37.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
那基本上我看的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
37.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
39.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
從審計部的一個報告 |
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39.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
41 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
債權的不良 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
41 |
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43.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
還有公司的經營的商業的模式 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
43.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
46.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
我覺得是台銅公司的整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
46.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
49.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
公司的治理跟他的內控 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
49.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
51.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
其實出現了一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
51.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
54.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
造成這個系統性的一個崩壞 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
54.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
56 |
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所以基本上的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
56 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
57.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
我把它拱結幾個 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
57.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
58.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
第一個就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
58.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
60.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
我們看到食安的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
60.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
62.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
他到底台銅有沒有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
62.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
64.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
有沒有一個肩膀 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
64.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
65.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
可以是往上承報的 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
65.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
67 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
國家的債權是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
67 |
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69 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
可以積極的追得回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
69 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
71.8 |
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另外這個土地的造零 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
71.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
73.2 |
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他根本就是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
73.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
74.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
年年申報合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
74.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
75.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
但審計部一查 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
75.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
78 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
就是有很大的一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
78 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
80 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
所以我想把這幾件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
80 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
81.7 |
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綜合看成是一個公司的 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
81.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
83.9 |
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治理的一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
83.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
86.5 |
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那從中聯的這個油紙 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
86.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
88.3 |
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我想在你們的報告裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
88.3 |
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89.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
講的都很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
89.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
92.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
但我覺得也避重就輕 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
92.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
95.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
因為按照台銅的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
95.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
99.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
5月11號在中聯的311潮採樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
99.3 |
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101 |
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那這個採樣的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
101 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
102.3 |
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基本上就是不符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
102.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
105.1 |
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也就是超標7倍的那個油潮 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
105.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
108.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
那之後你們改採的是301對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
108.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
110 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
也沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
110 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
111.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
然後進口到你台銅 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
111.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
114.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
再做成這個實用的一個油紙 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
114.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
116.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
但是在你們的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
116.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
117.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
就避重就輕 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
117.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
119.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
也就是我看不到311潮 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
119.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
121.6 |
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我只看到301的油潮 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
121.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
122.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
那個是合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
122.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
125.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
那是你後來台銅公司再買的 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
125.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
127.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
那我的問題就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
127.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
131.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
基本上這個在5月15號 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
131.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
133.1 |
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5月11號你們的採樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
133.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
135.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
15號拿到這樣子的報告之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
135.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
137.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
當然你們現在的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
137.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
138.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
當然就是跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
138.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
141.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
剛剛衛福部江市長的說法一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
141.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
144.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
這個東西就不列入 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
144.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
146.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
因為你規定的產品通報不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
146.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
148.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
跟食安法第七條第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
148.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
150.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
但我覺得這個蠻嚴重的 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
150.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
153.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
因為第一個你311號的油潮 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
153.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
155.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
到底會不會流到其他的油潮 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
155.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
157.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
因為油潮 tank是pipe |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
157.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
158.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
管線是相通的 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
158.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
160.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
所以這一塊的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
160.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
162.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
我想要請教一下的 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
162.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
166.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
就是台銅在你們的ESG的資料寫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
166.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
168.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
身為國營事業提供產品服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
168.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
172.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
你因為國內食品產業之典範 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
172.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
174.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
尤其在食品安全方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
174.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
177.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
更要發揮領頭羊的角色 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
177.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
179.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
所以明知你有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
179.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
181.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
那沒有通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
181.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
183.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
甚至法律上沒有你就不通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
183.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
185.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
這我覺得違反你們公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
185.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
188.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
ESG的宣稱的寫法 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
188.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
190.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
你也無論被投羊耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
190.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
193.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
我想請教部長跟台銅的回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
195.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
197.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
我先來說明就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
197.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
200.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
311的油潮檢驗它不合格 |
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200.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
202.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
所以台灣公司拒收 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
204.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
206.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
那後續怎麼樣處理這個311油潮 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
206.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
208.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
事實上台灣公司並 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
208.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
209.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
它沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
209.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
210.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
因為那個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
210.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
212.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
權利人是屬於中原公司的 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
212.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
214.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
所以它也沒有辦法去 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
214.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
216.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
說你到底要怎麼處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
216.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
218.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
但是事實上現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
218.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
220.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
據我了解311的油潮的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
220.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
222.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
事實上還在中原的油庫裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
222.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
224.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
事實上是沒有賣出去的 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
225.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
227.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
所以台灣公司基本上 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
227.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
229.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
它也沒有那個權利說 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
230.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
232.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
這批油到底要怎麼處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
232.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
234.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
它是不是有賣出來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
234.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
236.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
它基本上它只吃一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
236.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
237.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
那我的問題就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
237.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
238.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
台銅這個檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
238.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
240.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
你這個5月11號的 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
240.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
241.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
異常的通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
241.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
242.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
也就是5月15號 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
242.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
243.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
你看到報告的時候 |
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243.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
246.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
經濟部什麼時候知道這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
246.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
248.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
第一次知道這件事 |
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249.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
253.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
事實上我們是7月28號才去這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
253.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
256.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
台灣公司是地查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
257.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
259.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
所以是到7月28號 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
259.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
261.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
經濟部才去看 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
261.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
263.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
然後才知道有這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
263.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
265.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
對 因為基本上來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
265.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
267.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
台灣公司報給我們都是合規 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
267.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
270.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
都是合標 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
270.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
272.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
32次的檢驗基本上 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
272.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
274.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
包括中央政府 地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
274.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
275.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
還有他們自主檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
275.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
276.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
但是你去查的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
276.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
279.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
是311朝的那個通報不合 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
279.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
280.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
就是那個檢驗不合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
280.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
282.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
你到7月28號才知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
282.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
285.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
它告訴我們實地的說明以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
285.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
286.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
我們才知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
286.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
289.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
好 那台航有沒有去跟衛福部說 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
289.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
291.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
有沒有去通報衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
291.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
293.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
是 跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
293.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
296.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
其實台灣公司是用最嚴格的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
296.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
297.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
那你現在回答我 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
297.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
298.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
有沒有跟衛福部報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
298.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
300.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
不管公文或什麼東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
300.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
302.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
這個我們不會去報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
302.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
305.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
因為這個是我們採購驗收 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
305.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
307.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
等於說沒有通過驗收 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
307.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
308.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
它沒有合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
308.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
310.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
沒有合乎我們的採購規則 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
310.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
311.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
這樣子你覺得符合你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
311.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
313.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
食品領頭羊的角色 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
313.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
317.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
就現在目前的食安法規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
317.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
318.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
國營試驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
318.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
319.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
國營試驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
319.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
320.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
是 沒有錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
320.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
323.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
那一線線型的食安法的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
323.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
326.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
所以食安法的規定是你的上限 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
326.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
327.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
不是你的底線 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
327.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
329.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
不是 原料它沒有規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
329.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
332.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
本篇批的安全標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
332.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
334.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
所以它沒有所謂超標的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
334.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
336.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
也沒有所謂的超標七倍的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
336.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
340.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
好 我想提一下這個食藥署署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
341.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
344.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
我想就這個問題請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
344.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
345.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
因為說實在的 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
345.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
347.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
如果按照台糖的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
347.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
348.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
你是不知道嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
348.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
350.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
那你什麼時候才知道這件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
350.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
353.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
因為針對中聯這個事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
353.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
357.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
我們7月1號就把這個關起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
357.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
359.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
之後我們就陸陸續續進場 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
359.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
361.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
去做所謂調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
361.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
363.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
確確知道調查的時間 |
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363.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
364.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
是在7月中的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
364.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
366.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
我們看到一筆數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
366.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
368.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
這個數字裡面是台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
368.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
370.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
所以你比經濟部7月28號再早一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
370.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
371.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
知道台糖真的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
371.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
374.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
我想這件事情時間點上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
374.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
376.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
我們的時間點是這樣知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
376.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
378.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
那經濟部知道的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
378.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
379.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
我想就是可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
379.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
384.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
因為台糖是在地方的直轄市 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
384.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
386.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
可能會跟直轄市說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
386.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
387.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
所以直轄市台南市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
387.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
388.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
應該通報給你 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
388.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
389.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
應該是高雄 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
389.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
392.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
我們是7月中的時候知道這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
392.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
394.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
確確的時間是在這個時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
394.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
397.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
我想要問一下台糖還有食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
397.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
398.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
我們都有食安雲 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
398.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
401.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
所以台糖的每一項食品的檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
401.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
402.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
都有像食安雲 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
402.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
404.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
衛福部是不是可以追溯得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
405.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
408.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
報委員這是一個很關鍵的 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
408.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
411.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
它是所謂整個製程中的 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
411.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
414.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
從黃豆開始到成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
414.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
415.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
其實它要報通報的 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
415.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
418.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
我們管的是2PPB是成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
418.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
420.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
它不是中間的 |
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420.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
421.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
出膠脫膠原油 |
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421.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
424.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
其實經驗之後除了脫酸脫臭 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
424.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
428.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
跟我們的脫中和的 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
428.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
431.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
豬油和原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
431.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
432.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
應該是說這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
432.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
436.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
製程過程中的一項中間產品 |
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436.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
438.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
這中間產品是不能吃的 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
438.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
442.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
又臭又酸然後顏色又混濁 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
442.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
445.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
不會是食品也不是成品要去管的 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
445.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
449.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
所以我們整個食品安全衛生管理法 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
449.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
451.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
裡面對於所謂的食品中的汙染物 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
451.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
453.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
以及它的毒素 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
453.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
456.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
我們都其實在管理裡面一個 |
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456.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
458.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
複表3有關於BAP的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
458.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
460.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
很清楚的我們可以知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
460.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
461.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
老百姓沒辦法接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
461.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
462.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
因為你最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
462.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
463.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
原則上是成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
463.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
464.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
它不是成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
464.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
465.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
不是一個食安法管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
465.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
466.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
這是確切的 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
466.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
470.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
這個其實如果在所有的製程過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
470.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
471.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
要去驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
471.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
473.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
所以食安法會修 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
473.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
475.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
它整體的下降 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
475.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
478.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
食安法修的時候會把這個動作 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
478.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
479.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
這個部分大家可以討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
479.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
480.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
我們講這部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
480.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
482.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
其實大家共同討論在未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
482.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
483.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
483.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
484.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
484.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
486.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
部長跟食安署署長請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
486.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
488.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
我想要請教一下台唐 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
488.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
492.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
在這個債權的這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
492.2 |
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494.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
我們看審計部的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
494.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
498.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
預期加催收欠款總共4億7391 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
498.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
500.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
催收款是4億7209 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
500.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
503.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
所以跟2013年第四季比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
503.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
506.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
催收款是從3億8232萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
506.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
508.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
到4億7209萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
508.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
512.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
一年增加8977萬催收款 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
512.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
514.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
那在這裡頭的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
514.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
517.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
我覺得你這個成長幅度催收款太驚人了 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
517.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
518.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
我想問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
518.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
521.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
有關於台唐的蔡副總理 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
521.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
523.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
知不知道在你這個催收款裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
523.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
524.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
4億多 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
524.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
532.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
其中有無奈人的案子1億1796萬的這一筆 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
532.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
533.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
533.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
534.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
那跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
534.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
536.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
那我們的催收款裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
536.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
538.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
是有包括無奈人的這一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
538.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
540.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
是有包括嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
540.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
541.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
有 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
541.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
542.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
那他現在還了多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
542.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
549.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
他已經還了金額3700多萬的樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
549.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
550.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
我看一下數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
550.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
553.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
你們講公開追回只有700萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
553.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
556.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
我是講他的喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
556.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
558.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
不是其他四位債權人喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
558.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
560.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
750萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
560.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
561.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
750萬嘛對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
561.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
564.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
你們公開宣稱700多萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
564.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
565.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
700多萬喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
565.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
569.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
所以1億1700多多少的話才700多 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
569.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
571.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
那我的問題是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
571.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
572.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
你們做得很好啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
572.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
574.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
你們去做的管收嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
574.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
576.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
那管收之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
576.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
580.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
7月16號第一次協商沒有共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
580.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
581.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
581.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
582.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
你6月11日裁定管收 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
582.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
585.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
22號台唐才撤回管收 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
585.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
587.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
然後7月16號再協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
587.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
589.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
7月20號是你的期限有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
589.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
590.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
我想要知道的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
590.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
592.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
台唐撤回管收申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
592.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
594.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
這個決策誰決定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
594.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
595.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
誰授權的 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
595.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
599.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
法務單位總經理董事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
599.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
601.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
是我們是有委託啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
601.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
604.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
委託律師來到 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
604.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
605.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
律師是委託 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
605.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
608.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
但是誰決定要撤回 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
608.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
611.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
是律師當場做成的決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
612.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
615.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
是律師當場做成的決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
615.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
617.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
律師他決定不用問當事人 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
617.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
619.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
不用問你們台唐 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
619.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
622.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
他是硬法官的說明喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
622.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
623.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
你跟法官說明不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
623.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
625.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
法官是說你們台唐主動撤請 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
625.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
628.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
要主動的一個撤回 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
632.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
633.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
各位委員報告喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
633.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
637.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
這個案子是我們的律師 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
637.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
639.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
就是這個代理人 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
639.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
642.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
在現場經法官詢問的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
642.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
643.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
我們才答應的 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
643.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
645.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
所以一切都推給律師 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
645.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
646.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
不對啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
646.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
647.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
我們委託律師 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
647.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
649.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
律師還是會打電話回來問你啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
649.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
651.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
當時受權的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
651.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
654.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
是有全權受權給這個代理人 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
657.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
659.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
這個實在是很扯啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
659.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
660.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
來那我再問你喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
660.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
662.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
你撤回管收你換到了什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
664.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
667.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
就是你要撤回管收總是有個理由嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
667.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
668.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
你換到什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
668.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
669.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
換到他願意還錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
669.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
671.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
換到他願意新的擔保 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
671.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
674.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
還是新的什麼資產抵押等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
675.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
676.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
是各位委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
676.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
678.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
因為管收的目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
678.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
681.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
我們是希望債務人出來清場債務 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
681.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
683.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
那我們考量多 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
683.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
684.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
如果一直關在裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
684.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
685.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
我們還是拿不到錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
685.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
687.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
如果他不來協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
687.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
689.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
那當場這個債務人的律師 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
689.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
690.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
委任律師 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
690.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
691.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
你確定嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
691.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
692.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
我的看法跟你不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
692.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
694.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
我覺得管收久一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
694.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
695.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
他就會主動還了 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
695.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
697.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
我們當然希望他還 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
697.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
698.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
你就關久一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
698.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
699.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
幹嘛撤回管收 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
699.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
701.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
撤回管收你換不到什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
701.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
703.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
國家上議員的債權 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
703.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
704.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
然後你只是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
704.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
706.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
我願意坐下來談就可以撤回 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
706.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
707.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
什麼東西都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
707.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
709.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
台糖可以接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
709.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
712.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
這在一般民間公司怎麼會接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
712.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
713.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
是各位委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
713.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
714.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
我們當然是 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
714.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
716.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
如果這個債務人沒有履行債務的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
716.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
719.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
我們當然還會再次申請管收 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
719.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
720.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
可是你再次申請管數 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
720.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
722.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
你的理由又要不同了 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
722.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
723.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
你要有新的管收原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
723.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
724.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
所以你下一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
724.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
725.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
如果再申請管數 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
725.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
727.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
你新的管收原因是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
728.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
731.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
而且在管收是在管收一次違憲 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
734.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
736.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
你們家的法務是這樣子的 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
737.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
738.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
報告委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
738.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
740.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
關於管收的次數不分 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
740.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
742.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
法律上沒有限制他的次數 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
742.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
744.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
所以如果交付管所有要件 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
744.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
746.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
還可以繼續申請管收 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
746.2 |
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747.2 |
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好那我問你好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
747.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
748.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
7月20號的話 |
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748.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
750.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
他現在還是沒有達到共識 |
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750.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
752.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
7月20號是第一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
752.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
753.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
20號說要再給你 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
753.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
754.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
20號說要再給你 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
754.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
755.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
現在的進度 |
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757.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
759.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
報告委員那個進度可能 |
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759.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
761.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
事後補給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].start |
761.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
762.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
這時候可以幫你 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
762.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
764.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
因為現在協商還在持續 |
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764.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
765.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
全國都在看 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
765.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
767.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
這國家級的債權 |
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769.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
772.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
是因為那個協商還在持續進展中 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].start |
772.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
773.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
那我們覺得到時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
773.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
775.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
如果說整體告一個段落之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
775.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
776.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
不管結果怎麼樣 |
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776.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
778.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
協商總是有個due date |
| transcript.whisperx[360].start |
778.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
779.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
期限 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].start |
780.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
781.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
因為期限的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].start |
781.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
783.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
我們要看他的協商的進展狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].start |
783.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
784.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
來做決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
784.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
785.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
所以還是沒辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].start |
785.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
787.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
所以我台東製造不來 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
787.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
789.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
我都缺錢免費就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].start |
790.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
792.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
以前的George Mary那個製造就免費 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].start |
797.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
798.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
好這個你事後給我報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].start |
798.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
800.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
我想要知道是你們這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].start |
800.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
801.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
整個後續的進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].start |
801.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
802.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
什麼時候可以催收回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].start |
802.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
804.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
審計部也坐在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].start |
804.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
805.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].start |
805.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
807.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
這也是很大的一個債權的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].start |
807.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
809.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
最後一個小問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].start |
809.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].end |
811.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
但我覺得這個問題是蠻嚴重的 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].start |
811.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
812.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].text |
也就是平地照領 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].start |
812.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].end |
814.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
照領補助的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].start |
814.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].end |
816.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
在我們審計部的報告裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].start |
816.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].end |
817.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
林保署核定的輔助運機 |
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817.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].end |
819.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
在114年度 |
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819.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
821.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
3531.95公頃 |
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821.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
823.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].text |
經費6000萬元 |
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823.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
826.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
結果審計部請林保署用無人機航拍 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].start |
826.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
829.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
再跟台唐的GIS土地清測比對 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].start |
829.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
831.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
發現無比土地 |
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831.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
833.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
有的遭佔治土用多時方 |
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833.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
836.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
有的遭遇大量廢棄物占用耕作 |
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837.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
839.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].text |
林務法省長沒有實際照領 |
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839.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
842.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].text |
然後你們台唐121314 |
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842.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].end |
845.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].text |
送給林保署的成果都寫合格 |
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845.2 |
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849.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
持續持續領取照領的補助 |
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849.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
851.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
這是有造假詐欺 |
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851.2 |
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853.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].text |
公務員不時登載的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].start |
853.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
855.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
再說明一下 |
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855.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].end |
857.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
是那我簡單的說明 |
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857.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
859.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
就是我們平地照領的面積 |
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859.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
861.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
其實講起來是非常大 |
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861.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
862.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
他的面積 |
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862.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
864.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
沒有沒有我現在就針對這無比 |
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864.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
866.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
審計部點出來的這無比 |
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866.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
868.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
這無比裡面 |
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868.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
870.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
他也不是全部的面積 |
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870.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
872.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
都有被請到 |
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872.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
874.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
或者說被這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].start |
874.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
877.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
比這無比土地是耕作地還是農地 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
877.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
878.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
還是山坡地等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].start |
878.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
879.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
他是農業用地 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].start |
879.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
881.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
農業用地 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].start |
881.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
884.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
這個我就想要隱瞞一個問題 |
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884.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
886.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
你們還是要再給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].start |
886.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
888.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
因為這個東西是不實的造假 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].start |
888.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
889.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
這很嚴重 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].start |
889.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
891.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
因為審計部都幫你鋼出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].start |
891.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
893.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
所以你們要回去好好徹查一下 |
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893.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
895.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
另外你剛回答很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
895.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
897.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
我也去查就是農地 |
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897.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
900.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
所以之前我在5月6號的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].start |
900.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
904.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
我們在審農法部實行細緻條例的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
904.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
906.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
這個執政黨的委員說 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].start |
906.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
908.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
這個農法實施條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
908.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
910.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
地方自治規範有基礎 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
910.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
912.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
尚無至愛難行之處 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].start |
912.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
913.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
不用在第十條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].start |
913.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
915.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
第九條也不支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].start |
915.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
918.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
也就是說農地清到這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].start |
918.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
920.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
廢棄物被人家占用 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].start |
920.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
922.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
然後現行的農業部說 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].start |
922.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
924.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
不會 現在的方法就很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].start |
924.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].end |
926.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].text |
可是台唐的一個國營試驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].start |
926.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].end |
927.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
然後土地被人家占用 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].start |
927.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
928.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
被人家清到 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].start |
928.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
930.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
你不覺得農法的土地的條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].start |
930.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].end |
933.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
應該使用在加日更高的刑罰跟罰則嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].start |
933.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
935.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
這對台唐是一個保障吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].start |
937.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
938.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
是吧 是吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].start |
938.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
940.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
應該是吧 是 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].start |
940.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
945.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
好 我相信今天你們董事長跟總經理 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].start |
945.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
947.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
就是藉由出國就不在了 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].start |
947.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
949.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
所以你也算可憐的帶打 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].start |
950.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].end |
954.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].text |
那後續我希望你們把這些的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].start |
954.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].end |
956.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
大概都交給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].start |
956.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
958.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
第一個就是債權跟無奈人等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].start |
958.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].end |
960.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].text |
以及你們其他債權不良的 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].start |
960.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
962.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
催收的一個機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].start |
962.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
964.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
那你後續這個案子會怎麼進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].start |
964.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
966.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
這個書面報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].start |
966.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
968.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
第二個我建議台唐 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].start |
968.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
970.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
不管你是出遊 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].start |
970.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
973.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
只要你是用到實用的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].start |
973.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
974.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
因為你們還有肉鬆 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
974.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
976.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
對不對 有糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].start |
976.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
978.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
還有肉製品等等一堆 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].start |
978.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
980.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
所以你們整個東西到底有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].start |
980.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
983.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
確實從明日料到這裡頭的審驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].start |
983.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
986.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
然後同時要確實上食安雲的 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
986.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
989.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].text |
然後同時你要建立跟經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].start |
989.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
992.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
跟衛福部的即時的通報系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].start |
992.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
995.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
麻煩這個我不要苛責你 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
995.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
998.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
兩個月內給我這樣子的一個機制規劃報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
998.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
1001.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
去防堵未來的這一件的事情好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].start |
1001.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
1003.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
是 謝謝委員 謝謝 |