| IVOD_ID |
170855 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170855 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-05T15:18:56+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-05T15:28:40+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d053bb9b075f6aeac38db05e3c46fd43cd75ebd3fcd1029c238997602935f9456869bf68ab9a87a45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊曜 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:18:56 - 15:28:40 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第22次全體委員會議(事由:(上午9時起)
邀請衛生福利部部長、行政院食品安全辦公室、教育部、國防部、經濟部、台灣糖業股份有限公司及行政院消費者保護處就「從致癌油事件發展迄今,中央一味『蓋牌、吃案、當門神』有關行政究責之重做完整調查報告(含台糖失職、食安警訊斷鏈責任、團體訴訟求償進度)及未來如何確保安全無虞的國軍團膳、學生營養午餐」進行專題報告,並備質詢。
(下午2時30分起,若上午議程尚未結束,待結束後接續召開)
一、審查行政院函請審議「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二、繼續審查委員廖偉翔等18人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十四條及第二十五條條文修正草案」案。
三、繼續審查委員蘇清泉等23人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
四、繼續審查委員蘇清泉等20人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第四條條文修正草案」案。
......(完整內容,詳見議事日程)
二十、審查委員許宇甄等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
二十一、審查委員郭國文等18人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第七條及第四十八條之一條文修正草案」案。
二十二、審查國民黨黨團擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十三、審查委員黃健豪等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十四、審查委員廖偉翔等19人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第七條及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。
二十五、審查委員李彥秀等23人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十六、審查委員羅智強等17人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十七、審查委員盧縣一等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十八、審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十九、審查委員許宇甄等20人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十、審查委員王育敏等25人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十一、審查委員徐巧芯等17人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十二、審查委員林月琴等24人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十三、審查委員林淑芬等21人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十五、審查委員李坤城等18人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十六、審查委員黃秀芳等21人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十七、審查委員劉建國等19人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
【逐條討論,不詢答】
【第二十至二十二案,如經復議則不予審查;第一案及第二十三至三十七案,如未經院會交付本會審查或未經各黨團簽署不復議同意) |
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謝謝主席 主席請一下市部長 |
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好 請市部長 |
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楊委員好 |
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部長好 部長我其實很無奈喔 |
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因為我實在不知道請誰出來回答我的質詢 |
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因為我來立法院以後大概跟你共事了那麼久 |
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我很清楚你不是一個會蓋牌吃案當門神的人 |
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那今天這樣子的專題報告的題目 |
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其實我讓你上來回答問題 |
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我覺得對你很不禮貌 |
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不會 很謝謝委員的肯定 |
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不過我講實話的人 |
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就是說不過不找你好像也不行 |
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因為剛剛我的助理跟我講了說 |
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盧學院市長已經認證了江志剛署長不是門神 |
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所以這個就是今天的題目 |
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我其實看到題目的時候 |
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看到題目的時候我就有點想放棄這一次的質詢 |
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因為對你們很不禮貌 |
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不過我既然來了我們還是探討一些問題好不好 |
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部長你很詳細的講一下 |
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就是你認為台糖在發現了以後 |
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在發現原料有問題了以後沒有通報的義務 |
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你嘗試著簡單二要的講一下 |
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大家對於台糖的期望 |
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讓他做更多一點做法 |
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多做一點我想這些大家都是期待的 |
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這個我也認同 |
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但是依法論法要處分的時候 |
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我們還是要回到法律的授權 |
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我第一次就講了 |
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法律有規定義務才有責任 |
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假如沒有的話就是我們叫做急功耗益 |
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這個是額外的東西 |
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我們現在是在講他有沒有在法律上 |
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他應不應該有沒有負擔通報的責任 |
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所以我們回到台糖的這一批貨 |
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中聯的311油槽 |
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他是脫膠原油 |
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那麼我們法律上有訂出衛生安全標準的 |
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指的是實用油脂 |
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最終那個產品的2.0PPB |
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我們是訂這個 |
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所以我們並沒有去訂脫膠原油 |
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或者是黃豆他的食品安全衛生標準 |
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沒有訂這個 |
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所以當然就台糖而言 |
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他拿的是脫膠原油 |
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雖然他的驗收標準他無法通過 |
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但是不等於我們現在所公布的 |
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食品油脂他超標的這個是不相等 |
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所以從法律義務上來講 |
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他當然是沒有這個通報的義務 |
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所以這個是我想是很清楚的 |
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但是大家希望食安大家共同把關 |
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人人有責 |
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大家都來通報這個我們絕對是鼓勵的 |
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對啦就是單純的期待 |
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跟法律課宇的義務是兩件事 |
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我們當然也希望不只台糖 |
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任何公司甚至於一般的民眾 |
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226 |
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229 |
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知道了以後就通報 |
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229 |
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234 |
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只是說這個不應該當作責任 |
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234 |
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239 |
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然後把它引爆成一個政治的議題 |
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242 |
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我覺得要我講我就是覺得 |
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242 |
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245 |
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我就覺得食安法該修 |
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245 |
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247 |
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我們趕快修 |
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247 |
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252 |
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那討論這個案子討論太久了 |
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252 |
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257 |
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應不應該在 |
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257 |
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261 |
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我說真的就是說衛福部管的 |
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261 |
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263 |
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就已經夠多了 |
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263 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
266 |
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食藥署管的也很多 |
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266 |
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270 |
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從藥品到化妝品到柴米油鹽 |
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270 |
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272 |
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可能柴沒有啦 |
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272 |
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275 |
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醬醋茶都歸你們啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
275 |
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278 |
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肉製品也歸你們啦 |
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278 |
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282 |
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有沒有那麼多的人力跟財力 |
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282 |
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287 |
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可以去致應少部分人的期待 |
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287 |
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290 |
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我為什麼說少部分人的期待 |
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290 |
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296 |
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因為我自己的觀察可能澎湖比較偏遠 |
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296 |
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298 |
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我說真的我在這段時間 |
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298 |
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301 |
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在澎湖並沒有很多民眾 |
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301 |
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305 |
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跟我反應到油脂的問題 |
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305 |
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308 |
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因為我們很快就讓它下架了 |
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308 |
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310 |
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我們在7月2號就發布 |
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310 |
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312 |
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7月3號那個油品就下架 |
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312 |
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314 |
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然後到7月9號還擴大 |
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314 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
316 |
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全面4到6月都下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
316 |
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319 |
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所以安全的用油是我們的責任 |
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319 |
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321 |
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這個絕對沒有問題 |
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321 |
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323 |
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這個就我講的嘛 |
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323 |
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326 |
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現在的食安法並沒有 |
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327 |
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331 |
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並沒有課與中央直接茶廠的義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
331 |
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333 |
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你們只有成立專案 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
333 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
335 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
現在目前對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
335 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
338 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
茶廠的直接是在41條的規定 |
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338 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
340 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
這是地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
340 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
342 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
必要的時候中央也可以來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
342 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
344 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
那必要也都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
344 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
346 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
所謂的必要坦白講 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
346 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
348 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
就是風暴產生以後才會有必要 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
348 |
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350 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
要不然你們也不會 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
350 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
353 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
你們沒有那麼多的人力跟資源 |
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353 |
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355 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
茶廠在地方 |
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355 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
357 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
茶廠的責任在地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
357 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
359 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
那有關中央的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
359 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
361 |
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就是第一時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
361 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
363 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
應該下架的也都下架完了 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
363 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
365 |
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那我從第一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
365 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
368 |
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這個專題你討論好幾次了 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
368 |
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370 |
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我從第一次就講 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
370 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
373 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
就是該修法就趕快修 |
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373 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
379 |
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那立法院覺得必須要課與 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
379 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
382 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
課與衛福部跟食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
382 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
384 |
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很大的義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
384 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
385 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
茶廠義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
385 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
387 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
那也可以討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
387 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
391 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
那相對應的人力跟經費 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
391 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
395 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
大家必須要共同來支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
395 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
397 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
就只有這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
397 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
403 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
我一直覺得把一個問題 |
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403 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
405 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
把民生問題 |
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405 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
407 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
當作政治問題來炒作 |
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407 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
410 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
其實我不大喜歡 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
410 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
412 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
我真的不大喜歡 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
412 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
415 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
我覺得我們浪費太多時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
415 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
417 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
在討論這個議題上面 |
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417 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
422 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
而且可能跟真正的民意 |
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422 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
423 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
有一點脫鉤 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
423 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
425 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
就是像部長剛剛回答的 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
425 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
433 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
民意的基層的聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
433 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
436 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
可能在我們下架完成的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
436 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
438 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
就結束了 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
438 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
442 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
那接下來我們行政跟立法部門 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
442 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
444 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
應該做的就是好好的坐下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
444 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
446 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
趕快修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
446 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
452 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
這個防止下一次不幸事件的產生 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
452 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
454 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
這個才是更重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
454 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
461 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
那我剛剛聽沈柏楊委員在問 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
461 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
462 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
我還是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
462 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
466 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
我簡單問一個修法的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
466 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
473 |
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就是通報的責任的對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
473 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
475 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
我們在修法的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
475 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
477 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
院板已經提出了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
477 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
483 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
有沒有擴大賦予哪一些人 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
483 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
485 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
那個通報的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
485 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
487 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
除了現有的食品業者之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
487 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
489 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
我們擴大到檢驗單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
489 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
492 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
檢驗單位我第一次質詢就講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
492 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
498 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
第三個就是HACCP的認證單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
498 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
499 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
他也要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
499 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
500 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
500 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
501 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
501 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
503 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
二級品管的也要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
503 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
506 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
我們一級品管是他的自驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
506 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
507 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
就廠商的自驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
507 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
511 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
所以他自設的實驗室以後也要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
511 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
514 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
不只是第二級品管的外部實驗室 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
514 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
516 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
那二級品管有外部的認證單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
516 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
518 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
去查核HACCP的 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
518 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
520 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
他發現異常也要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
520 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
522 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
他檢驗也要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
522 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
524 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
所以我們把通報的對象都擴大 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
524 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
530 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
就是通報的程序要怎麼簡化精準 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
530 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
533 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
要不然應該是只要有檢驗了 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
533 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
534 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
其實通報一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
534 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
538 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
現在的進展處理其實也不難 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
538 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
542 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
那有通報就可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
542 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
544 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
我們可以更早預警 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
544 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
545 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
更早預警 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
545 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
547 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
547 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
548 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
好啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
548 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
551 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
還是要跟兩位致歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
551 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
556 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
因為我覺得今天確實是不應該請你們上台的 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
556 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
557 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
謝謝委員的指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
557 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
560 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
在未來修法的時候請您多多指導 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
560 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
561 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
好啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
561 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
563 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
大家一起努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
563 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
566 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
我想食安大家都很重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
566 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
571 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
並不代表大家對政治議題很重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
571 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
573 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
這是兩回事 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
573 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
575 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
我剛剛講的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
575 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
578 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
把食安問題當成政治問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
578 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
580 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
這個本身就是一種錯誤 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
580 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
582 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
好謝謝部長謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
582 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
584 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
謝謝謝謝委員 |