| IVOD_ID |
170845 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170845 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-05T11:49:54+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-05T12:12:19+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:22:25 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d053bb9b075f6aea098ebe358275707dcd75ebd3fcd1029c3a2459e91bea6e3b1027fd842694b5725ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱鎮軍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:49:54 - 12:12:19 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：（上午9時起）
邀請衛生福利部部長、行政院食品安全辦公室、教育部、國防部、經濟部、台灣糖業股份有限公司及行政院消費者保護處就「從致癌油事件發展迄今，中央一味『蓋牌、吃案、當門神』有關行政究責之重做完整調查報告(含台糖失職、食安警訊斷鏈責任、團體訴訟求償進度)及未來如何確保安全無虞的國軍團膳、學生營養午餐」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
（下午2時30分起，若上午議程尚未結束，待結束後接續召開）
一、審查行政院函請審議「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二、繼續審查委員廖偉翔等18人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十四條及第二十五條條文修正草案」案。
三、繼續審查委員蘇清泉等23人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
四、繼續審查委員蘇清泉等20人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第四條條文修正草案」案。
......（完整內容，詳見議事日程）
二十、審查委員許宇甄等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
二十一、審查委員郭國文等18人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第七條及第四十八條之一條文修正草案」案。
二十二、審查國民黨黨團擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十三、審查委員黃健豪等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十四、審查委員廖偉翔等19人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第七條及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。
二十五、審查委員李彥秀等23人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十六、審查委員羅智強等17人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十七、審查委員盧縣一等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十八、審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十九、審查委員許宇甄等20人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十、審查委員王育敏等25人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十一、審查委員徐巧芯等17人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十二、審查委員林月琴等24人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十三、審查委員林淑芬等21人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十五、審查委員李坤城等18人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十六、審查委員黃秀芳等21人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十七、審查委員劉建國等19人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
【逐條討論，不詢答】
【第二十至二十二案，如經復議則不予審查；第一案及第二十三至三十七案，如未經院會交付本會審查或未經各黨團簽署不復議同意） |
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主席好,我們請石部長 |
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有請石部長 |
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好,就位好 |
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部長好 |
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我想現在媒體爆料中這個檢調查中聯案的過程裡面 |
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在扣的手機通訊內發現 |
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有員工在四月份的時候就已經回報大豆年年的 |
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怪怪的 |
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懷疑可以出貨嗎 |
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那這部分很明顯就是原料的問題 |
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你們是不是早就知道 |
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所以一直迴避其他遊場購買的數量 |
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是害怕牽連太廣嗎 |
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一直沒有公布啊 |
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61.8 |
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不會啊,我們都有掌握他這個每一個頻道 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
61.8 |
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所以你們也調查完了對嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
62.8 |
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63.8 |
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對 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
63.8 |
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64.8 |
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那手上也有完整資料嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
64.8 |
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65.8 |
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對 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
65.8 |
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67.8 |
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那為什麼我要的數據到現在還不給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
67.8 |
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70.8 |
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有,我已經批了一定會給委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
70.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
71.8 |
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到現在還沒看到啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
71.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
74.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
奇怪,我已經看到說要供給委員的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
74.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
76.8 |
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還是你們現在資料都有帶嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
76.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
78.8 |
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不然你們現在寫一寫好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
78.8 |
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79.8 |
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好 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
79.8 |
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81.8 |
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你待會就給我,我們直通完就給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
81.8 |
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83.8 |
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好,待會就給委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
83.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
85.8 |
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已經送過去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
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95.8 |
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好,不然我再請教你喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
102.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
你們放在官網上的新聞稿的內容真實度有多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
103.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
105.8 |
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呃,您說是 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
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就是專家會議跟公協會的會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
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公協會跟專 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
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是,您指的是7月4號的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
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對,7月4號的 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
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7月4號的我們下午9點 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
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有兩場嘛,對啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
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我們就會來 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
120.8 |
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你部長是參加哪一場 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
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我沒有,我沒有出場 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
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那署長來,你參加哪一場 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
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我兩場都有參加,因為是我 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
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行政院誰去啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
129.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
130.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
131.8 |
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派誰去 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
134.8 |
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啊去哪一場 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
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我是去專家的那一場 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
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專家的啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
139.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
那兩場的主席是誰,誰記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
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主席是我,然後兩場的 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
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兩場主席都是你 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
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對,兩場主席是我 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
145.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
147.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
那食安辦,食安辦誰去啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
150.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
151.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
你去是吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
151.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
153.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
我,對,徐甫去的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
153.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
157.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
你們的新聞稿這個專家會議這一場就是兩個方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
157.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
160.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
一個是釐清可能的污染原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
160.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
164.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
還有未來怎麼再避免再發生管制的 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
164.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
165.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
管理的機制嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
165.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
167.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
剛剛你們說的新聞稿內容都是真實的 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
167.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
171.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
那就表示專家會議沒有討論20%的部分對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
172.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
173.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
有啊,有,有 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
173.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
175.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
剛剛都已經有完整的說明了 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
175.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
176.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
什麼什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
176.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
分為兩個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
178.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
因為之前沒有特別的 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
181.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
有機會跟大家公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
182.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
因為今天也做了說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
182.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
184.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
所以第一個是中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
187.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
一開始的7月4號那個瞬間 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
187.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
188.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
其實只有一批 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
188.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
189.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
原因不清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
189.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
192.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
所以是專家拍板 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
192.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
195.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
接下來呢是專家會議裡面的第二個議題是 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
198.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
因為我們用下架的一個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
198.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
201.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
2 ppb這麼嚴格的油脂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
201.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
203.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
我們歐盟韓國都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
203.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
207.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
所以韓國跟歐盟呢針對這個油品違規的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
207.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
208.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
也是下架到第一層 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
208.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
211.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
針對第二層是否要下架判斷的基準 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
211.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
217.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
其實跟我們面對的這個扁平坪8.1 ppb的標準是一致的 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
217.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
219.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
所以底下產品是什麼樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
219.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
所以才會出現20% |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
221.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
223.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
20%是什麼專家這一場還是 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
223.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
226.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
在專家會議這場裡面針對這個內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
226.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
228.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
做了非常完整的討論之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
228.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
230.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
因為第一層下架之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
230.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
233.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
有沒有可能會沒有涵蓋到 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
233.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
236.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
超過我們所謂的2 ppb的一個概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
236.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
238.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
所以大家開始在討論的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
238.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
241.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
許多專家提到的確在2 ppb裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
241.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
245.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
如果用的油脂的反應是超過20% |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
245.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
246.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
如果用的油脂的反應是超過20% |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
246.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
251.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
石廖署你邀請14個食品產業相關公會的這一場 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
251.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
254.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
新聞稿說召開這場的會議是為了 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
254.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
258.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
降低事件對消費者及下游業者的影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
258.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
261.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
那你們邀請了14個食品產業公會協會 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
261.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
263.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
代表下游業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
263.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
265.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
跟委員說報告一下這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
265.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
267.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
是不是你不要講那麼複雜 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
267.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
270.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
我說這個這麼14個產業裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
270.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
272.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
相對都食品相關產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
272.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
274.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
我們先對的油品世界裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
274.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
276.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
一定會對產業的衝擊 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
276.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
279.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
我們說明我們現在第一層下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
279.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
282.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
以及剛才講20%可能會成為我們建議部的 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
282.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
284.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
你先我不是要問你這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
284.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
285.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
你不要亂講 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
285.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
287.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
我現在問你你回答就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
287.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
291.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
那代表下游業者請問代表消費者的是誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
292.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
292.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
300.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
我要把14個公協會協會來嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
300.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
303.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
那這些都是食品公會啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
303.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
305.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
代表消費者是誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
305.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
306.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
306.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
308.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
我這邊要回去再確認一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
308.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
310.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
可能消費者的溝通我們可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
310.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
311.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
我來問你好了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
311.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
313.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
一個一個問啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
315.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
321.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
這個台灣植物油製電工業同業公會有去嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
321.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
323.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
我預想中是有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
323.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
324.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
324.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
328.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
那台灣烘焙油紙工業同業公會有去嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
328.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
331.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
我這邊可不可以請我們同仁們來14個 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
331.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
333.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
待會唸給委員們聽一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
333.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
336.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
確定一下那個整個14個 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
336.8 |
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好啦這邊歸一歸啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
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我這邊有資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
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請你拿過去再勾一下 |
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我繼續問啦他們勾他們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
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那你現在我跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
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就是說你們把這個公協會找去 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
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消費者又把它放一邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
那這些公會他們是討論他們是業者的 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
360.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
讓業者的損失怎麼樣降到最低是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
361.8 |
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不是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
364.8 |
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還是把消費者當作白老鼠 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
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反正他們幾家14家去決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
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你有問過消費者嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
這是專家會議之後的來開的 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
因為會對產業的衝擊他們必須要去做因應 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
377.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
低衡他要配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
所以這個階段裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
381.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
如果當天會議室裡面只有業者代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
沒有半個消費者代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
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那我們院長最後拍板的20%門檻 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
388.8 |
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到底評論了誰的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
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你拍板的啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
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那你評論了誰的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
393.8 |
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我想這個20%在決策的過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
396.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
其實做了非常完整的科學上面的分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
399.8 |
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跟推論跟技術上面的一個討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
401.8 |
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確定這樣子對民眾的健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
404.8 |
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所以你們那邊可以得到確定的保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
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405.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
20% |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
406.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
討論的結論是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
406.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
408.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
對實質的公協會裡面我們只說 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
408.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
410.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
我們對於低層下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
410.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
對於產業裡面可能的影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
你們要回去因應去了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
415.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
可能有品的使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
415.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
417.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
會有遇到什麼問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
417.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
418.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
需要大家能夠配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
418.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
避免現在有違規的有品 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
425.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
造成民眾持續加重他們的受傷 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
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所以我們就是提到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
429.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
現在8.1PPP這一批的緣由 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
429.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
430.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
我們確定在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
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是中聯產生4月4號的這一批 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
435.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
能夠所有的原因確定下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
435.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
你不要講 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
436.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
438.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
我現在就講說你這些業者去 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
438.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
誰代表消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
440.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
有沒有嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
440.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
441.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
我講業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
442.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
有沒有啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
443.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
我講業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
443.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
445.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
有沒有人代表消費者去開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
446.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
我說業者同時 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
446.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
都是每個都是消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
449.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
彼此之間都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
449.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
451.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
所以我這邊特別提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
451.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
452.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
你講的什麼話 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
452.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
453.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
他們業者全部都是消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
453.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
455.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
對我說每個人都是消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
455.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
456.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
我針對的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
456.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
458.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
那他們就是成員先排案 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
458.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
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不是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
462.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
他們決定的事情可以做嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
462.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
464.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
你們把消費者放在哪邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
467.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
就幾個業者來決定說 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
467.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
468.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
我們民眾的健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
469.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
他們沒有決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
469.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
這有人誤會了 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
471.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
這沒有決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
471.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
472.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
沒有決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
472.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
473.8 |
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那你叫人來開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
474.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
這是另外一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
475.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
你是開什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
477.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
去幫業者減少這個增加營收 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
477.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
478.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
減少損失嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
480.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
跟委員補充 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
那其實他這個會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
483.8 |
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是在專家會議之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
484.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
所以是把專家會議的 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
487.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
所做出來的下架的決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
487.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
488.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
如果沒有消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
490.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
就是溝通全國人民的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
490.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
493.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
健康去跟業者做交換 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
493.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
494.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
494.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
497.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
他是這個會議是在專家會議之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
497.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
499.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
然後把專家會議的決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
499.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
501.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
這個事情來跟業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
501.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
503.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
請他們回去配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
503.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
505.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
這是要業者回去配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
505.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
506.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
506.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
508.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
你們到底什麼時候知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
508.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
511.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
中原油紙的311跟301 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
511.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
513.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
脫交油槽的出事情了 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
513.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
515.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
你什麼時候知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
515.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
517.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
就是這個台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
517.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
519.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
沒有收的311油槽 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
519.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
520.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
這個是在後面 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
520.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
523.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
7月1號要求他停工 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
523.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
524.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
然後後面這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
524.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
527.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
4月才發現你們7月才知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
528.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
530.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
你們7月才知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
530.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
534.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
因為6月30號中聯才通報我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
534.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
536.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
所以我們是從7月1號 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
536.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
538.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
開始去茶場介入的 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
538.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
542.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
7月17日調查小組的會前會 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
542.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
544.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
就已經精準點名了 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
544.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
546.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
指定要看這兩個油槽 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
546.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
548.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
代表你們最慢在7月17號 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
548.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
550.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
以前就一清二楚了 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
550.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
553.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
那既然掌握了311跟301有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
553.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
555.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
為什麼7月27號 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
555.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
557.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
食藥署大張旗鼓開記者會 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
557.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
561.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
卻對台糖5月就驗出311油槽超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
561.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
564.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
私下改收301油槽這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
564.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
565.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
隻字未提 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
565.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
566.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
那調查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
566.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
568.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
為什麼刻意留在台糖這一段 |
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你們到底在幫誰遮醜 |
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跟委員報告一下 |
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我們針對現在在台糖的31油槽 |
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其實還1100多公噸 |
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其實一直都在 |
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那這個跟我們現在食藥署 |
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在管的食品的油品 |
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如果沒有台糖地院的裁定 |
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這個積壓廠長報出台糖5月知情 |
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內湖是不是打算把311油槽 |
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有毒的真相隱瞞一輩子 |
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沒有 |
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跟委員說明 |
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我們針對的是他已經完成製程的 |
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食用油比30批 |
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我們全部都查 |
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他這個不是 |
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他這個是做到一半的脫膠原油 |
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311油槽是吃了以後 |
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食用署去查場的時候就封了嗎 |
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就是7月1號就已經全面停工 |
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所以他就不能動了 |
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7月1號就已經全面停工 |
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所以他根本沒有在製造油 |
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對 那個油槽 |
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對 那個油槽台糖的說法 |
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5月9日他拉貨的時候 |
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這個裁減檢體的時候 |
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311油槽就已經先動過 |
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這個做過遷封了嘛 對不對 |
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那我想請教 |
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當你們食藥署真正趕到現場的時候 |
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這311油槽長什麼樣子 |
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這個遷封還在不在 |
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這個跟委員報告 |
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都在那裡 |
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可以去看的 |
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有沒有當時出征的照片 |
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那個油也沒有改變位置 |
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那個槽也沒改變位置 |
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那個蔡副總經理 |
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請 |
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你有這個遷封的照片嗎 |
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遷封的照片 |
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我們在當初在驗收的時候有 |
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那你可以提供嗎 |
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沒有問題 |
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那為什麼你們在7月21號公布30PU的檢驗結果 |
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還大言不慚的說 |
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全部查驗完畢 |
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而且還一直告訴大家可以上架 |
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那份清單裡面 |
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完全沒有提到311 |
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你是不是打算用脫胶油跟成品油不一樣 |
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所以不在清單內 |
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來這樣告訴我們民眾 |
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因為它就不是成品 |
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它是做到一半的東西 |
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都已經停下來了 |
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我們是30P的P號通通很清楚 |
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那個是會要 |
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這個變成 |
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這個市場的實體 |
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你知道有問題為什麼不列進去 |
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因為它就不是 |
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它不是 |
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食用油 |
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它可以做其他的用途 |
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它可以做肥皂 |
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它可以做肥皂 |
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你這個油拿去做什麼 |
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我沒有拿 |
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我說你們去買的油 |
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是做什麼用 |
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做沙拉油精煉 |
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精煉成沙拉油 |
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部長有沒有聽到 |
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什麼叫做肥皂 |
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他就沒有錯 |
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他拉去明明就沒有要做這個 |
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他可以去做其他的 |
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你不要講這個東西 |
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他是做油的 |
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他就沒有做肥皂 |
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他怎麼會買油去做肥皂 |
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他們拿去就是要做沙拉油 |
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脫胶原油 |
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他們拿去就是要做沙拉油 |
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他們招標的時候也是說要做沙拉油 |
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就是食用油 |
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脫胶原油不是食用油 |
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脫胶原油不是食用油 |
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那是原料 |
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他拿去就是要做這個 |
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不然他為什麼不拉 |
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不然他為什麼不拉 |
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如果可以用他為什麼不拉 |
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你們食藥署跟地方衛生局 |
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一直追查全部都是 |
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市面上的成品沙拉油 |
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但從現在漏洞看來 |
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市面上受害的規模 |
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自來油的實際數量 |
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超過你們對外公布的數字 |
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真的完全不止 |
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是你們口中說的那樣子 |
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完全讓人家聽不懂也看不懂 |
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因為他沒有 |
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他沒有流出啊 |
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他還是留在那裡 |
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他沒有做成產品 |
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那個台糖蔡副我再問你 |
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因為中地檢署 |
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裁定出這個揭露 |
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我們才知道台糖在5月11號 |
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派員到中聯311油槽取樣 |
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送這個檢驗 |
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829.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
831.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
後來15日報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].start |
831.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
833.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
本田比14.PPB |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
833.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
835.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
標準才2PPB |
| transcript.whisperx[365].start |
835.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
837.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
那超過7倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
837.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
839.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
那台糖在5月18號正式通知福茂據收 |
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839.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
841.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
那蔡副總經理 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].start |
841.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
843.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
你5月15號報告出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].start |
843.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
845.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
台糖內部是誰決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].start |
845.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
847.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
把這份報告壓下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].start |
847.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
849.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
指桌商業推貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].start |
849.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
851.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
我們報告不會壓下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].start |
851.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
853.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
那為什麼不通吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].start |
853.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
855.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].start |
855.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
857.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
送驗之後他是超過 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].start |
857.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].end |
859.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
我們招標的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].start |
859.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
861.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].text |
所以我們就拒收 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].start |
861.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].end |
863.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
那你為什麼不通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].start |
863.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].end |
865.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].start |
865.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].end |
867.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
連中聯都不需要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].start |
867.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].end |
869.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].start |
869.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
871.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
你先不要 你繼續講 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].start |
871.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
873.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].text |
你繼續講 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].start |
873.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
875.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
連中聯都不需要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].start |
875.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
877.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
因為他這個不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].start |
877.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
879.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
經濟部次長你回答一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].start |
879.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
881.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
有沒有要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].start |
881.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
883.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].start |
883.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
885.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].text |
依照台中地方法院的這個新聞稿 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].start |
885.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
887.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].text |
福茂他必須要 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].start |
887.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].end |
889.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].text |
有這個通報的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].start |
889.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].end |
891.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
台糖呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].start |
891.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
893.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
因為台糖的話他基本上 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].start |
895.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].end |
897.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].text |
311油炒裡面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].start |
897.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
899.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].start |
899.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].end |
901.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
出油的部分始終沒有進入到 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].start |
901.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
903.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
台糖的生產 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].start |
903.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
905.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
經濟部定有 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].start |
905.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
907.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
災害及緊急事件通報程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].start |
907.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
909.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
裡面寫的很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].start |
909.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
911.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
凡是經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].start |
911.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
913.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
經濟部所屬的事業體發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].start |
913.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
915.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
只要滿足 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].start |
915.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
917.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
影響民生 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].start |
917.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
919.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
影響上下有產業供需 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].start |
919.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
921.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
影響事業形象 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
921.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
923.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
或者可能引起媒體 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].start |
923.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
925.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
報導的任何一項都必須 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].start |
925.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
927.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
要啟動通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].start |
927.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
929.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
台糖是國營事業吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].start |
929.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
931.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].start |
931.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
933.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
台糖公司針對他生產的 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].start |
933.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
935.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
產品比如說大道沙 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].start |
935.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
937.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
油的部分不論是在他 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].start |
937.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
939.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
製程的過程裡面他自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].start |
939.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
941.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
941.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
943.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
他已經影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].start |
943.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
945.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
他要去收的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].start |
945.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
947.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
已經影響上下有產業供需 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
947.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
949.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
怎麼會沒有影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].start |
949.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
951.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
第二個部分你剛剛講的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
951.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
953.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
我們是依照這個災防法 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
953.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
955.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
的一個規定去訂定相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].start |
955.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
957.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
所謂的作業規則 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].start |
957.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
959.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
這個是依照災害防救法 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].start |
959.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
961.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
中聯是全球全台 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].start |
961.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
963.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
最大油的上游 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].start |
963.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
965.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
那中聯的油炒驗出自來物 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].start |
965.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
967.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
超過7倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].start |
967.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].end |
969.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].text |
這沒有影響民生嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].start |
969.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].end |
971.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
這不嚴重嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].start |
971.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
973.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
而台中地檢署他也多次的表達 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].start |
973.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
975.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
我現在為你經濟部的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].start |
975.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].end |
977.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
沒有我們是災防法 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].start |
977.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
979.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
這個規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].start |
979.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
981.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
對啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].start |
981.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
983.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
你講到台中去幹嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].start |
983.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
985.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
這個是食品安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].start |
985.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
987.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
這也一樣啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].start |
987.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
989.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
這沒有影響嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].start |
989.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].end |
991.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].text |
這沒有影響上下有產業供需嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].start |
991.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].end |
993.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
今天比如說 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].start |
993.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
995.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
是像這個所謂的漏水 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].start |
995.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].end |
997.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].text |
或是有一些可能影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].start |
997.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
999.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
我們民眾用水的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].start |
999.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
1001.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
的這個部分他們會通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].start |
1001.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
1003.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
依照這個規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].start |
1003.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
1005.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
我現在問的是台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].start |
1005.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
1007.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
台糖不是你國營事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].start |
1007.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
1009.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
台糖當然是國營事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].start |
1009.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
1011.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
國營事業只要負責關於 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
1011.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
1013.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
西埃的事業體發生事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].start |
1013.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
1015.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
有關於西埃的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].start |
1015.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
1017.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
他透過災害防救法 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].start |
1017.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
1019.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
你們當初決定不要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].start |
1019.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
1021.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
現在就勇敢回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
1021.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
1023.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].text |
從認同到人民吃下肚子 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].start |
1023.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
1025.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
以前上千項產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].start |
1025.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
1027.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
都被影響了 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
1027.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
1029.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
怎麼會沒影響呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
1029.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
1031.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
有沒有影響上下游 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].start |
1031.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
1033.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
會不會影響人民健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].start |
1033.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
1035.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
沒有影響台糖形象嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
1035.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
1037.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].text |
出售方跟福茂有通知 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
1037.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
1039.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
這幾天你們都是媒體追逐的焦點 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
1039.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
1041.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
法院也判決說 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].start |
1041.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
1043.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
事項指標完全滿足 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
1043.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
1045.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
台糖社會經濟部下轄的 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
1045.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
1047.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
國營事業帶頭違反 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
1047.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
1049.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
經濟部自己的災害通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].start |
1049.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
1051.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
這個程序瞞了兩個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
1051.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
1053.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
經濟部到現在還沒有懲處 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
1053.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
1055.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
竟然還連續發文幫忙 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].start |
1055.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
1057.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
大喜地說大讚台糖是 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].start |
1057.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
1059.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
這個好寶寶 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].start |
1059.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
1061.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
好厲害很棒棒 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
1061.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
1063.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
是這樣嗎 委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].start |
1063.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
1065.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
經濟部對我們國營事業平時 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].start |
1065.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
1067.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
都有定期的 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].start |
1067.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
1069.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
實地的查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].start |
1069.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
1071.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
然後年中有一個查核的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].start |
1071.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
1073.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
工作 所以基本上 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
1073.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
1075.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
我們對國營事業基本上 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
1075.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
1077.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
都導的一個 高檢署檢察官 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].start |
1077.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
1079.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
都已經講了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].start |
1079.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
1081.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
通報是一回事啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].start |
1081.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
1083.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
所以你們不要再拗 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].start |
1083.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
1085.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].text |
對不對 通報的責任啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].start |
1085.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].end |
1087.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
本來就應該要通報啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].start |
1087.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
1089.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
你拿那個東西你放在那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].start |
1089.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
1091.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
你已經驗到有這個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].start |
1091.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
1093.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
你不往上通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].start |
1093.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
1095.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
可是今天這個材料 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
1095.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
1097.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
當然台糖的錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].start |
1097.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].end |
1099.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
台糖的錯不是很大 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].start |
1099.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
1101.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
沒有錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].start |
1101.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
1103.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
最苦惡的手還是這個中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].start |
1103.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
1105.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
台糖應該要 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].start |
1105.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
1107.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
辦起一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].start |
1107.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
1109.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
這個你的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].start |
1109.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
1111.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
這個業者的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].start |
1111.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
1113.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
基本的一個態度嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
1115.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
1117.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
這個材料沒有進入到台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].start |
1117.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
1119.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
的這個製程裡面之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
1119.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
1121.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
它可以販售到 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].start |
1121.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
1123.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
比如說工業的添加劑 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
1123.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
1125.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
包括潤滑油包括肥皂 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
1125.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
1127.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
所以中聯公司它可以賣去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].start |
1127.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
1129.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
最後我再問你啊 但是回到 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
1129.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
1131.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
食品安全的部分 台糖公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
1131.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
1133.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
依照依照 你們的標案 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
1133.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
1135.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
你們的標案今年台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
1135.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
1137.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
5月13日公告的 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
1137.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
1139.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
CO115黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
1139.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
1141.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
出油採購案嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
1141.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
1143.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
那5月13日公告當時 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
1143.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
1145.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
台糖確實還沒有拿到那超標的 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
1145.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
1147.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
7倍報告 但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
1147.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
1149.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
台糖在5月15日已經收到 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
1149.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
1151.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
檢驗結果 那確認中 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
1151.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
1153.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
中聯311油槽的 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
1153.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
1155.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
獨有本年比的 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
1155.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
1157.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
高達14.7ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
1157.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
1159.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
超標過 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
1159.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
1161.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
這個超過7倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
1161.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
1163.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
那在5月18號通知據說 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
1163.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
1165.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
那這個CO115標案的 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
1165.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
1167.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
投標截止日是 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
1167.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
1169.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
5月25 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
1169.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
1171.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
從5月15到25號 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
1171.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
1173.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
有10天啦 有10天 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].start |
1173.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
1175.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
那中聯油紙是國內大型油紙的上游 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
1175.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
1177.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
那福茂更是 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
1177.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
1179.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
與此標案有高度的相關的供應商 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
1179.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
1181.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
那台糖在辦理這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
1181.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
1183.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
攸關民生實在重大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
1183.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
1185.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
採購案期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
1185.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
1187.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
已經驗出了這個上游供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
1187.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
1189.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
這個製程失控 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
1189.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
1191.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
毒素超標7倍的自密訊號 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
1191.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
1193.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
整整10天喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
1193.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
1195.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
那台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
1195.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
1197.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
為什麼沒有暫停這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
1197.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
1199.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
資格審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
1199.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
1201.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
所有的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].start |
1201.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
1203.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
資格審查的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
1203.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
1205.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
是發生在這個更早之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
1205.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
1207.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
1207.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
1209.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
現在有產品它不需要提供到 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
1209.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
1211.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
台糖的 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
1211.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
1213.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
那你有沒有把這項重大供應風險納入 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
1213.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
1215.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
審查這個項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].start |
1215.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
1217.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
台糖的這個允收的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
1217.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
1219.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
除了我們剛剛一直在談的 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
1219.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
1221.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
還有很多的一個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
1221.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
1223.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
比如說是點啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
1223.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
1225.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
它現在是這個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
1225.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
1227.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
它這家有公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
1227.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
1229.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
你們還繼續讓它做嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
1229.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
1231.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
你還繼續讓它做嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
1231.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
1233.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
基本上 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].start |
1233.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
1235.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
透過中央跟地方合作的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
1235.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
1237.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
特別是 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].start |
1237.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
1239.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
像中聯這個市佔率這麼大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].start |
1239.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
1241.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
所謂的油品的這個提供的 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
1241.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
1243.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
這個廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].start |
1243.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].end |
1245.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
在地方的政府可以加強 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].start |
1245.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
1247.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
的稽查之下的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
1247.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
1249.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
那基本上它這個不合格的這個產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].start |
1249.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
1251.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
產生的這個機率 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].start |
1251.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].end |
1253.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
就會大幅的降低 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
1253.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
1255.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
那CO015 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].start |
1255.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
1257.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
全部申請投標的廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
1257.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
1259.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
有哪些 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
1259.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
1261.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
審查合格的有哪些 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].start |
1261.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
1263.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
你再提供給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].start |
1263.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
1265.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
有九家廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].start |
1265.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
1267.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
好那你把這個資格得標的資格 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
1267.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
1269.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
我們看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].start |
1269.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
1271.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
那過去福壽跟泰山這個得標 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
1271.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
1273.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
跟這次福茂一樣得標 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].start |
1273.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
1275.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
你們都是去中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].start |
1275.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
1277.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
中聯去拉貨嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
1277.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
1279.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
一年買幾個億幾個億的買 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].start |
1279.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
1281.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].start |
1281.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].end |
1283.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
那現在這一家出問題的 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].start |
1283.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].end |
1285.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
你們沒有替代方案嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].start |
1285.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
1287.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
還要繼續在那邊買嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].start |
1287.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].end |
1289.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
有問題的 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].start |
1289.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].end |
1291.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].text |
材料不符合允收標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].start |
1291.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].end |
1293.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
台糖不會進入到它的廠區 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].start |
1293.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].end |
1295.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
有沒有依這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].start |
1295.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].end |
1297.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
政府採購法101條 |
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來審理 |
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將福茂提報為不良廠商 |
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有嗎 |
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這個採購的這個部分請 |
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這個台糖公司會依照 |
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法的規定來辦理 |
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我們有在研究 |
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你現在還沒有決定就對了 |
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那如果繼續買勒 |
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因為 |
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所有的為合乎 |
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資格的部分我們不提領 |
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但是它提供的部分 |
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合乎我們契約的允收標準 |
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那這個台糖公司會收 |
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我覺得你們要列入考量啦 |
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這些有問題的業者 |
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你們在資格審查的時候 |
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一定要做一個區隔 |
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再做嚴格的審查 |
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可以嗎 |