| IVOD_ID |
170840 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170840 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-05T11:02:19+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-05T11:22:16+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:19:57 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d053bb9b075f6aeab6baf2588ab81144cd75ebd3fcd1029c9e152d6567b454d3bee343b31a484f975ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王育敏 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:02:19 - 11:22:16 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：（上午9時起）
邀請衛生福利部部長、行政院食品安全辦公室、教育部、國防部、經濟部、台灣糖業股份有限公司及行政院消費者保護處就「從致癌油事件發展迄今，中央一味『蓋牌、吃案、當門神』有關行政究責之重做完整調查報告(含台糖失職、食安警訊斷鏈責任、團體訴訟求償進度)及未來如何確保安全無虞的國軍團膳、學生營養午餐」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
（下午2時30分起，若上午議程尚未結束，待結束後接續召開）
一、審查行政院函請審議「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二、繼續審查委員廖偉翔等18人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十四條及第二十五條條文修正草案」案。
三、繼續審查委員蘇清泉等23人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
四、繼續審查委員蘇清泉等20人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第四條條文修正草案」案。
......（完整內容，詳見議事日程）
二十、審查委員許宇甄等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
二十一、審查委員郭國文等18人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第七條及第四十八條之一條文修正草案」案。
二十二、審查國民黨黨團擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十三、審查委員黃健豪等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十四、審查委員廖偉翔等19人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第七條及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。
二十五、審查委員李彥秀等23人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十六、審查委員羅智強等17人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十七、審查委員盧縣一等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十八、審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十九、審查委員許宇甄等20人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十、審查委員王育敏等25人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十一、審查委員徐巧芯等17人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十二、審查委員林月琴等24人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十三、審查委員林淑芬等21人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十五、審查委員李坤城等18人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十六、審查委員黃秀芳等21人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十七、審查委員劉建國等19人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
【逐條討論，不詢答】
【第二十至二十二案，如經復議則不予審查；第一案及第二十三至三十七案，如未經院會交付本會審查或未經各黨團簽署不復議同意） |
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好 謝謝主席 我們有請衛福部部長 食藥署署長 |
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經濟部常務次長 台廠的副總 一起上台 |
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還有行政院食安辦的徐副主任 |
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來 我先問那個台廠的副總 |
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你們剛拿了兩罐繼續拿上來沒有關係 |
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來 你告訴本席脫膠原油是你台廠的製油原料嗎 是或不是 |
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我們台廠做沙拉油是從黃豆開始 |
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我們進口的都是美國黃豆 |
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好 我直接問你 你跟中聯買的脫膠原油就是這一罐對不對 |
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對 我們自己也有生產 |
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這一罐是不是你使用有的原料 是或不是 |
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它不能使用 它必須要經過 它必須要經過精煉 |
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我知道 它是不是原料 當然是原料 |
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對啊 當然是原料啊 |
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你跟中聯買了多少 它不是食品加 |
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你本來要跟他購買那一批是多少公噸 |
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77.5 |
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我們這內製的超標案是三千噸 |
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77.5 |
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三千噸嘛 對不對 |
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那它5月11號我們去豐朝送驗的那個草 |
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那個草它是一千一百多噸 |
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都出問題嘛 超標嘛 對不對 |
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那個草我們當初就是豐存了 我們也沒有載到 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
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以前有沒有發生過這樣的情況 |
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以前你們驗的有沒有發生這樣的情況 |
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也有超標的情況 退驗的情況 |
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以前驗都沒有這樣的狀況 |
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都沒有超標嗎 |
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都有符合我們的驗收標準 |
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是多少 你們自己制定的驗收標準是要 |
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那個本評比要幾ppb |
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本評比是兩ppb |
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都有符合在兩ppb以內嘛 對不對 |
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那你為什麼要這樣子驗 你是依據食安法哪一條 |
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沒有 這個是我們自己內定的一個招標的規格 |
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所以你也可以不用驗就對了 可以 |
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所以如果本評比超標 你們可以繼續製作就對了 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
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我們會調整我們的製程 讓它那個本評比 |
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那你這一批為什麼要退 如果按照你的邏輯 |
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這個是我們招標合約裡頭 |
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我們就已經定了規格在那裡 |
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一定要符合我們的規格 不符合規格我們就是要退 |
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那為什麼要定這個標準 既然你後面的技術都可以脫色脫酸 |
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剛剛那個 待會我要問部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
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那個成本會不一樣啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
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成本會不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
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所以不是因為食安法 是因為成本的關係 |
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是 沒有錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
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沒有錯 這是你的答案喔 |
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你們針對原料的管理 是因為我不需要基本的嚴格把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
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我是因為成本控制 所以我今天才去定出2ppb的 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
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這樣的本評比的標準 |
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就算說它本評比偏高 經過我們的精煉製程上面的調整 |
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所以你之前到底有沒有購買過超過2ppb本評比的 |
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是沒有啦 因為我們都定那個2ppb嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
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198.5 |
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這樣的話對我們來講是整個製程會比較順暢 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
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而且它成本是最低的 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
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所以過去都沒有 沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
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然後你就定了2ppb 是 就定了國家的這個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
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那超標你也可以用 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
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完全不涉及食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
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這個聽起來非常的可怕 大家各位聽懂了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
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就是說台糖也可以不用是2ppb喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
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它不用是這樣子喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
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因為對他們來講 剛剛石部長告訴大家的也是喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
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就是即使它是原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
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它今天超標沒有關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
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231.5 |
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其實坦白講你也可以不用退運啦 對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
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按照你的邏輯也可以不用退運啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
233.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
235.5 |
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我繼續做 你沒有違反食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
235.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
238.5 |
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我們招標的時候的規格 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
240.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
你們太荒謬了 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
240.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
243.5 |
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都不按照食安法辦事的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
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246.5 |
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既然脫交原有是你的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
249.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
原料有疑慮的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
249.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
252.5 |
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原料有疑慮你竟然還好意思說 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
252.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
254.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
我的技術夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
254.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
256.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
所以我可以繼續做 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
256.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
258.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
剛剛石崇良部長也是這樣子講 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
258.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
260.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
這樣子有道理嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
260.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
262.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
這樣子有道理嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
262.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
264.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
食安法它規格不斷的 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
所以你們是說只要是出交原有 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
根本就不用設標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
270.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
反正只要我可以不斷的精煉 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
270.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
272.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
到最終的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
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只要符合2PPB就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
那你的食安法我們都要定假的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
279.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
從原料就應該要開始檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
279.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
281.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
在你的邏輯裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
281.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
283.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
原料不需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
283.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
285.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
只要我有本事把它精煉出 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
285.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
286.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
檢測不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
286.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
287.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
那是我的本事 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
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是這樣子嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
沒有 出油它不能 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
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它就長這個樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
294.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
那是你的原料不是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
296.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
這個是 對呀 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
297.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
這個就是出油 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
299.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
對呀 那你的原料就應該要把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
301.5 |
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就要符合食安法的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
303.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
原料沒有規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
303.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
305.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
食安法都沒有規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
307.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
那就是衛福部食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
309.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
食安法它的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
311.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
它是針對食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
就是說你直接可以用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
315.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
原料都不規範的 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
315.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
317.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
原料已經出現 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
319.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
一幾次癌物都不用規範的 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
321.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
它不是有一律的商品嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
323.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
沒有 你經過精煉 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
325.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
存化之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
327.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
它就會變成這個樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
329.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
所以原料是可以不用管的 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
331.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
要管 因為它會影響成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
只是因為成本不是食安的考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
333.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
335.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
好 來台長請回去 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
335.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
337.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
我問一下那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
339.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
經濟部長次 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
341.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
請問台長的社會責任是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
341.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
343.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
至少門前雪 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
343.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
345.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
我今天發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
345.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
347.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
我的脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
347.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
349.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
這個本便品超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
351.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
超標了七倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
351.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
353.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
我只要默默的把它退回去就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
353.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
355.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
因為不符合我的採購規定 |
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355.5 |
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但是我完全不需要 |
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357.5 |
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359.5 |
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我完全不需要通報 |
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359.5 |
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361.5 |
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這個叫做至少門前雪 |
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361.5 |
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363.5 |
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在經濟部的標準好低 |
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363.5 |
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365.5 |
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一個至少門前雪的人 |
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365.5 |
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367.5 |
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說他是模範生 |
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367.5 |
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369.5 |
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請問你的社會責任在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
369.5 |
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371.5 |
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你不覺得很異常嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
371.5 |
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373.5 |
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今天你脫膠原油是第一次買 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
373.5 |
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375.5 |
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是不是 如果以前都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
375.5 |
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377.5 |
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符合標準 符合你的採購標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
377.5 |
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379.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
今天突然暴增 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
379.5 |
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381.5 |
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通通都不需要反應 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
381.5 |
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383.5 |
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當作沒有發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
383.5 |
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385.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
上千公噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
385.5 |
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387.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
隨便 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
387.5 |
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389.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
今天如果中年繼續賣出去 |
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389.5 |
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391.5 |
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也隨便 |
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391.5 |
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393.5 |
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不管我的事 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
393.5 |
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395.5 |
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這個叫做模範生 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
395.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
397.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
這個叫做社會責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
397.5 |
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399.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
企業社會責任是這樣子寫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
399.5 |
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401.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
作為一個經濟部次長 |
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401.5 |
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403.5 |
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你們說這個叫模範生 |
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403.5 |
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405.5 |
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你的標準真的好低 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
405.5 |
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407.5 |
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還不如一個吹哨者 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
407.5 |
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409.5 |
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跟委員會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
409.5 |
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411.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
台長公司所生產的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
411.5 |
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413.5 |
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它有自己的標準 |
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413.5 |
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415.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
標標本篇皮的 |
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415.5 |
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417.5 |
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要不要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
417.5 |
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419.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
它有驗收的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
419.5 |
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421.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
契約的規定 |
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423.5 |
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比如說在生產大多沙拉油 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
423.5 |
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425.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
的原料的部分 |
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425.5 |
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427.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
其實它檢驗的項目起碼就有 |
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427.5 |
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429.5 |
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10項以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
429.5 |
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431.5 |
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很好啊 我們正常很嚴謹 |
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433.5 |
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但你發現這一批膠油 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
433.5 |
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435.5 |
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超標這麼多的時候 |
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435.5 |
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437.5 |
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你怎麼不用一個很嚴謹的態度來看待 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
437.5 |
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439.5 |
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為什麼不通報 |
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441.5 |
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第一時間台長有沒有跟你講 |
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441.5 |
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443.5 |
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這個依照台中地方法院的新聞稿 |
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443.5 |
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445.5 |
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也是有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
445.5 |
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447.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
包括中聯跟福茂 |
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447.5 |
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449.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
它必須要依照食安法去進行通報 |
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449.5 |
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451.5 |
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他們有他們的責任 我現在問的是你主管的國營機構台長 |
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451.5 |
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453.5 |
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他發現這麼重大 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
453.5 |
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455.5 |
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是不是需要跟你主管機構報告 |
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455.5 |
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457.5 |
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你什麼時候知道的 |
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457.5 |
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459.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
你什麼時候知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
459.5 |
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461.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
你什麼時候知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
461.5 |
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463.5 |
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從來沒有進入到台糖生產的產線 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
463.5 |
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465.5 |
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所以你還在辯解 |
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465.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
467.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
7月9號的時候 |
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467.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
469.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
台糖公司 |
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469.5 |
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471.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
你7月9號才知道 |
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471.5 |
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473.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
後知後覺 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
473.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
475.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
麻煩委員讓我時間說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
475.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
477.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
7月9號台糖收到高雄市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
477.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
479.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
預防性下架一個通知 |
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479.5 |
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481.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
他有通報 |
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481.5 |
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483.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
所以你是7月9號知道的 |
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483.5 |
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485.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
我們國營是因為平常的 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
485.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
487.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
台糖公司的正常的採購的事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
487.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
489.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
包括國營機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
489.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
491.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
非常多的採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
491.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
493.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
你是7月9號知道的 |
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493.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
495.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
他不會跟我們說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
495.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
497.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
市長我再問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
497.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
499.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
市長你覺得台糖公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
499.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
501.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
下一次他在發現這種原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
501.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
503.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
超標含有毒物質 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
503.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
505.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
你認為他需不需要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
505.5 |
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507.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
這個就是我們今天本來 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
507.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
509.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
議程要討論的食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
509.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
511.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
需要去經濟農業 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
511.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
513.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
台糖公司依照法規去辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
513.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
515.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
我想知道你的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
515.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
517.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
下一次台糖發現的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
517.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
519.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
類似這樣的情況需不需要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
519.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
521.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
你告訴我就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
521.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
523.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
台糖公司依照法規來辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
523.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
525.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
你覺得需不需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
525.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
527.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
市長你信不信 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
527.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
529.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
你根本都不敢回答這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
529.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
531.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
那個我只能說 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
531.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
533.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
非常的遺憾 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
533.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
535.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
這個社會有良心的人越來越少 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
535.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
537.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
我們很佩服陳宏達主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
537.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
539.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
檢察官還有詹長犬教授 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
539.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
541.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
他們是社會的良心 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
541.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
543.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
他們講該講的話不像現在的 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
543.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
545.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
官員只想護航 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
545.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
547.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
然後不講真話 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
547.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
549.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
食安法這個徐福主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
549.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
551.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
你也站過來食安法當你在 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
551.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
553.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
修法的時候你應該站你當時是專家學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
553.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
555.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
上一波的食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
555.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
557.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
修法的精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
557.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
559.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
我跟大家講 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
559.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
561.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
他很明確告訴大家食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
561.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
563.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
包含原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
563.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
565.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
跟產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
565.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
567.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
而且他又告訴大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
567.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
569.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
這個產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
569.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
571.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
涉及到的原材料 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
571.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
573.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
原料半成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
573.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
575.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
575.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
577.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
他都要業者做什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
577.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
579.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
自主的檢驗把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
579.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
581.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
所以 |
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581.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
583.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
你當時2014年所修的食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
583.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
585.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
585.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
587.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
修法的精神就是詹長犬教授 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
587.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
589.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
所講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
589.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
591.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
他是建立在預警 |
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591.5 |
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593.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
跟可控的這樣一個精神裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
593.5 |
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599.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
如果你今天是站在一個預警的角度 |
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599.5 |
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601.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
管控食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
601.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
603.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
從源頭把關 |
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603.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
605.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
今天台糖發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
605.5 |
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607.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
這樣的一個 |
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607.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
609.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
原油脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
609.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
611.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
本便宜嚴重 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
611.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
613.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
超標的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
613.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
615.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
作為一個國營 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
615.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
617.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
617.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
619.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
善盡社會責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
619.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
621.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
就應該要通報 |
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621.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
623.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
623.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
625.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
這樣的一個做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
625.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
627.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
才符合所有食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
627.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
629.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
你從第一條看到最後一條 |
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629.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
631.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
他在要求的 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
631.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
633.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
都是從源頭的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
633.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
635.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
管道成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
635.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
637.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
絕對不是你們現在的推托 |
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637.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
639.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
推托之詞 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
639.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
641.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
什麼這個脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
641.5 |
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643.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
不是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
643.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
645.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
所以都不在食安法的管制範圍嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
645.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
647.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
這樣的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
647.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
649.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
荒謬無比 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
649.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
651.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
而且完全違反 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
651.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
653.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
食安法的精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
653.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
655.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
這個也是我相信詹長犬教授 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
655.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
657.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
為什麼他痛批 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
657.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
659.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
他說這已經是政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
659.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
661.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
誠信跟治理的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
661.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
663.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
663.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
665.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
你要從嚴或從寬解釋 |
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665.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
667.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
的確政府你把握了公權力 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
667.5 |
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669.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
你有權去解釋 |
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669.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
671.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
但是我只能說 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
671.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
673.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
你要憑良心啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
673.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
675.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
食安法的精神是給你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
675.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
677.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
這樣子濫用的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
677.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
679.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
更何況我們再來看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
679.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
681.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
這個衛福部 |
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681.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
683.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
不要自己講過的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
683.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
685.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
立刻講過就忘記 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
685.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
687.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
你在2014年 |
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687.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
689.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
3月11號 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
689.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
691.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
那時候的整個 |
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691.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
693.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
食藥署很正常 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
693.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
695.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
而且勇於認識 |
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695.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
697.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
而且積極開會 |
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697.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
699.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
從這個蘇丹紅 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
699.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
701.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
事件願意認真 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
701.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
703.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
去檢討而且告訴 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
703.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
705.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
大家就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
705.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
707.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
原料出問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
707.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
709.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
也都需要通報 |
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709.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
711.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
因為我們拒絕 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
711.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
713.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
源頭不法講的非常 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
713.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
715.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
好這一篇新聞稿 |
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715.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
717.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
我給100分 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
717.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
719.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
非常好認真做 |
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719.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
721.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
事而且他提醒大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
721.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
723.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
723.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
725.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
如果你發現原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
725.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
727.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
或產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
727.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
729.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
有危害衛生 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
729.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
731.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
安全之餘 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
731.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
733.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
要主動通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
733.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
735.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
直轄市縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
735.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
737.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
主管機關 |
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737.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
739.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
這個是2024 |
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739.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
741.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
白紙黑字 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
741.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
743.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
由食藥署 |
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743.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
745.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
發出的新聞稿 |
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745.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
747.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
747.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
749.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
校期只有兩年嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
749.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
751.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
遇到了台廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
751.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
753.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
就會轉彎嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
753.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
755.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
你當時這樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
755.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
757.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
一個宣示難道 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
757.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
759.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
你沒有通通去告訴 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
759.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
761.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
所有的業者嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
761.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
763.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
原料有問題需不需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
763.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
765.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
通報還是要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
765.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
767.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
結果為了 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
767.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
769.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
替台廠開脫你現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
769.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
771.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
所有的法律重新 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
771.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
773.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
解釋你又倒退 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
773.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
775.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
回來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
775.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
777.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
2024年這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
777.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
779.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
我們絕對是支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
779.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
781.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
源頭就要管理這個沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
781.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
783.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
你等我講完我沒有聽你發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
783.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
785.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
785.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
787.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
真的 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
787.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
789.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
讓人家對於現在的 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
789.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
791.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
衛福部非常的 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
791.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
793.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
失望我要請行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
793.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
795.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
食安辦的徐福主任你現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
795.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
797.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
站出來你作為衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
797.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
799.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
上級的主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
799.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
801.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
那個來 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
801.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
803.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
徐福主任你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].start |
803.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
805.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
2014年 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].start |
805.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
807.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
這個食安法的精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
807.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
809.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
是不是我們要預警 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
809.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
811.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
我們要做風險管理我們要從 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
811.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
813.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
源頭管理是或不是原則上 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].start |
813.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
815.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
是這樣但是他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].start |
815.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
817.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
樣態不一樣我剛聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
817.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
819.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
委員的這個說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
819.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
821.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
事實上從 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
821.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
823.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
原料來看他有分類假設 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].start |
823.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
825.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].start |
825.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
827.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
微生物的含量過高 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].start |
827.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
829.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
那就是要透過 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].start |
829.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
831.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
不是所有的原料都需要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
831.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
833.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
2024年食藥署的 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].start |
833.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
835.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
這個公開的宣導跟新聞稿 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
835.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
837.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
蘇丹紅那是不得在 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].start |
837.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
839.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
食品裡面去檢出他不是 |
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839.5 |
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841.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
一個新聞稿的範圍有效範圍 |
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841.5 |
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843.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
僅限於蘇丹紅嗎 |
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843.5 |
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845.5 |
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你的原料是這個蘇丹 |
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845.5 |
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847.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
紅這三個字 |
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847.5 |
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849.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
不應添加的都應該要這樣 |
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849.5 |
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851.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
他有說不應添加嗎 |
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851.5 |
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853.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
你有認真看待 |
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853.5 |
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855.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
10 |
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855.5 |
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857.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
大家看一下我們 |
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857.5 |
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859.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].text |
我們的法令 |
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859.5 |
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861.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
第15條第一項第三 |
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861.5 |
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863.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
是誰告訴你 |
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863.5 |
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865.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
是誰告訴你 |
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865.5 |
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867.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
要添加的才算 |
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867.5 |
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869.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
不是這樣講詹老師講的是 |
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871.5 |
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有道理但是要看樣態 |
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871.5 |
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873.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
你所有的生的東西 |
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873.5 |
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875.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
菌的數量一定 |
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875.5 |
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877.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
是比較多那當然是從 |
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877.5 |
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879.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
預警你要先殺完菌才能 |
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879.5 |
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881.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
再來用那你 |
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881.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
883.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].text |
做成調理包的變成 |
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883.5 |
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885.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].text |
下游拿來用的時候他就不應該 |
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885.5 |
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887.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].text |
草標所以他的這個 |
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887.5 |
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889.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
這樣態是會不一樣的 |
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889.5 |
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891.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
好那我就問你所以 |
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891.5 |
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893.5 |
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脫交原有的本偏僻有多少 |
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893.5 |
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895.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
才合理含有多少才合理 |
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895.5 |
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897.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
這個全世界並沒有針對這個去 |
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897.5 |
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899.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
訂這個標準的 |
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899.5 |
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901.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
所以我們我們是在看 |
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901.5 |
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903.5 |
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成品油那你的預警 |
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903.5 |
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905.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
機制到底怎麼做當你下游 |
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905.5 |
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907.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
當中年生產出來的 |
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907.5 |
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909.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
脫交原有本偏僻超標這麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].start |
909.5 |
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911.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
你還說因為我們 |
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911.5 |
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913.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
沒有訂標準我不能採取任何 |
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913.5 |
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915.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
作為那你怎麼樣去預警 |
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915.5 |
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917.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
檢查出來有意義嗎 |
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917.5 |
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919.5 |
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你好比說 |
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919.5 |
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921.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
放白土活性炭等等 |
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921.5 |
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923.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
下降到這個 |
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923.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
925.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
這個合格值之下 |
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925.5 |
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927.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
你覺得這樣合理嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].start |
927.5 |
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929.5 |
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你覺得台糖 |
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929.5 |
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931.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
都不敢用了那這一波有 |
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931.5 |
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933.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
疑慮了然後這個 |
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933.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
935.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
都不需要處理也不需要通報你們 |
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935.5 |
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937.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
現在還覺得這樣很合理 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
937.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
939.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
那你們如果要這樣子管理食安的話 |
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939.5 |
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941.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
最大的破口就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].start |
941.5 |
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943.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
行政院跟衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
943.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
945.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
你們從源頭去放鬆 |
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945.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
947.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
我就舉台糖為例 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
947.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
949.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
沒有放鬆那我就問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
949.5 |
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951.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
台糖這一批的脫交原有 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].start |
951.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
953.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
為什麼需要退運 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].start |
953.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
955.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
為什麼不能 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].start |
955.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
957.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
再生產製造為什麼你們要 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].start |
957.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
959.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
告訴大家他繼續在中年的油炒 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].start |
959.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
961.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
按照你們剛剛回答的邏輯 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].start |
961.5 |
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963.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
你知道犯了多大的問題嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].start |
963.5 |
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965.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].text |
只要可以脫色脫臭 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].start |
965.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].end |
967.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
最終成品驗不出 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].start |
967.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
969.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
本偏僻就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].start |
969.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
971.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
我管你原料有多糟糕 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].start |
971.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].end |
973.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
我的技術可以精煉到這樣 |
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973.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
975.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
就好了是這樣嗎 |
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975.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
977.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
我們要管理確保 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].start |
977.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
979.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
食安是就我們自己買的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].start |
979.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
981.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
所以大家從原料管理啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].start |
981.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
983.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
怎麼會說原料不需要管理呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].start |
983.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
985.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
這一批原料自始至終都在中年裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].start |
985.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].end |
987.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].text |
他不是台糖的 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].start |
987.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].end |
989.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
物品啊所以台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].start |
989.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
991.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
派人去中年看去送 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].start |
991.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].end |
993.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].text |
驗回來知道說這一批沒 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].start |
993.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
995.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
合格的可能收我提醒你 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].start |
995.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
997.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
這件事情是這樣子你現在是食安辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].start |
997.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
999.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
的主任你不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].start |
999.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
1001.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
台糖的發言人 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].start |
1001.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
1003.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
作為一個食安辦的主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].start |
1003.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
1005.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
我真的希望你有 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].start |
1005.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
1007.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
詹長權教授這樣的勇氣跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
1007.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
1009.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
骨氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].start |
1009.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
1011.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
這樣才能做好食安的把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].start |
1011.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
1013.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
而不是遇到 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].start |
1013.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
1015.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
事情的時候你們都變成是 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].start |
1015.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
1017.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
護航團沒有必要 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
1017.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
1019.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].text |
我今天沒有說台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].start |
1019.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
1021.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
有非常非常的不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].start |
1021.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
1023.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
但我認為他做錯一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
1023.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
1025.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
是你至少門前 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
1025.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
1027.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
學你今天發現這麼重大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].start |
1027.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
1029.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
瑕疵你為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].start |
1029.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
1031.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
跟主管機關講一聲會怎樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
1031.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
1033.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].text |
你不是阻止了一場 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
1033.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
1035.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
這個重大食安事件的發生嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
1035.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
1037.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
結果你們現在不是全部 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].start |
1037.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
1039.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
毛起來要告訴大家說 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
1039.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
1041.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
台糖沒有錯台糖好棒棒 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
1041.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
1043.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
是棒在哪裡啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
1045.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
1047.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
他至少門前學他沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].start |
1047.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
1049.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
發揮他該有的社會責任他 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
1049.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
1051.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
連一個吹哨者都不如 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
1051.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
1053.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
在這一點上面不應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].start |
1053.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
1055.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
被檢討嗎我就問 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].start |
1055.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
1057.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
你下次有類似這樣的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].start |
1057.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
1059.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
你認為他應不該通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
1061.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
1063.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
要或不要你作為一個食安辦主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].start |
1063.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
1065.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
你趕快講真話要不要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].start |
1067.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
1069.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
要看樣態依法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].start |
1069.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
1071.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
來去 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].start |
1071.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
1073.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
我就直接問你下次如果這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].start |
1073.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
1075.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
你們這個脫交原油 |
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出現本田體超標像這樣子七倍 |
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需不需要通報 |
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需不需要通報 |
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台糖有沒有通報的責任跟義務 |
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這是他的原料喔 |
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應該不是台糖原料是中聯原料 |
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他那個在他的草裡面 |
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我要說明的是這樣然後 |
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還要看樣態的 |
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我真的不用問你們太令人失望了 |
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如果我們的食安要 |
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把關一定是源頭把關 |
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一定是按照你們原來 |
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的這份新聞稿講的 |
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原料半成品 |
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還有成品你發現 |
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有問題的時候 |
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應該要主動通報 |
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你這個才能發揮 |
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1119.5 |
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層層把關的這樣子 |
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互相去監督 |
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互相去通報你 |
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才能為食安把關但是我 |
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真的非常的痛心今天 |
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我們的公部門不站在 |
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捍衛人民食安最 |
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高標準我要講的是 |
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最高標準來 |
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執法然後 |
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講一些是是而非 |
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的道理然後再硬拗 |
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這樣子我們的食安怎麼從 |
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源頭把關這個 |
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真的是讓人家看了非常非常的 |
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失望真理不敢 |
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講我真的覺得你們 |
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的位置通通都可以下來了我們希望 |
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1155.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
詹長璇教授可以來 |
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主導我們的 |
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1159.5 |
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食安我們現在食安需要 |
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1161.5 |
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長理的人 |
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1163.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
需要有一個有道德勇氣 |
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1165.5 |
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在食安把關上面 |
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他真的是站在人民 |
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這一邊的我們需要這樣的一個專家 |
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來帶領我們的食安 |
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如果只是為了位置而存在 |
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的話我真的覺得我們 |
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| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
台灣真的不需要好我質詢到 |
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這邊給你最後說明一句 |
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我們的調查報告寫得很 |
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1181.5 |
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1183.5 |
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清楚必須按照原料 |
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的品質做製程調整 |
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所以需要監督 |
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| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
1189.5 |
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的是地方政府要去監督 |
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好他的製程過程 |
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是不是符合HACCP |
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的標準 |
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謝謝 |