| IVOD_ID |
170840 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170840 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-05T11:02:19+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-05T11:22:16+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:19:57 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d053bb9b075f6aeab6baf2588ab81144cd75ebd3fcd1029c9e152d6567b454d3bee343b31a484f975ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王育敏 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:02:19 - 11:22:16 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：（上午9時起）
邀請衛生福利部部長、行政院食品安全辦公室、教育部、國防部、經濟部、台灣糖業股份有限公司及行政院消費者保護處就「從致癌油事件發展迄今，中央一味『蓋牌、吃案、當門神』有關行政究責之重做完整調查報告(含台糖失職、食安警訊斷鏈責任、團體訴訟求償進度)及未來如何確保安全無虞的國軍團膳、學生營養午餐」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
（下午2時30分起，若上午議程尚未結束，待結束後接續召開）
一、審查行政院函請審議「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二、繼續審查委員廖偉翔等18人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十四條及第二十五條條文修正草案」案。
三、繼續審查委員蘇清泉等23人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
四、繼續審查委員蘇清泉等20人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第四條條文修正草案」案。
......（完整內容，詳見議事日程）
二十、審查委員許宇甄等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
二十一、審查委員郭國文等18人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第七條及第四十八條之一條文修正草案」案。
二十二、審查國民黨黨團擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十三、審查委員黃健豪等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十四、審查委員廖偉翔等19人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第七條及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。
二十五、審查委員李彥秀等23人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十六、審查委員羅智強等17人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十七、審查委員盧縣一等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十八、審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十九、審查委員許宇甄等20人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十、審查委員王育敏等25人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十一、審查委員徐巧芯等17人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十二、審查委員林月琴等24人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十三、審查委員林淑芬等21人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十五、審查委員李坤城等18人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十六、審查委員黃秀芳等21人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十七、審查委員劉建國等19人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
【逐條討論，不詢答】
【第二十至二十二案，如經復議則不予審查；第一案及第二十三至三十七案，如未經院會交付本會審查或未經各黨團簽署不復議同意） |
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賴次長建信 |
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0 |
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7.5 |
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好 謝謝主席 我們有請衛福部部長 食藥署署長 |
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7.5 |
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12 |
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經濟部常務次長 台廠的副總 一起上台 |
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12 |
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15.5 |
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還有行政院食安辦的徐副主任 |
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15.5 |
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22 |
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來 我先問那個台廠的副總 |
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22 |
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24.5 |
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你們剛拿了兩罐繼續拿上來沒有關係 |
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25.5 |
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33.5 |
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來 你告訴本席脫膠原油是你台廠的製油原料嗎 是或不是 |
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33.5 |
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39.5 |
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我們台廠做沙拉油是從黃豆開始 |
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39.5 |
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42.5 |
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我們進口的都是美國黃豆 |
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42.5 |
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48.5 |
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好 我直接問你 你跟中聯買的脫膠原油就是這一罐對不對 |
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48.5 |
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51.5 |
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對 我們自己也有生產 |
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51.5 |
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55.5 |
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這一罐是不是你使用有的原料 是或不是 |
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55.5 |
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61.5 |
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它不能使用 它必須要經過 它必須要經過精煉 |
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61.5 |
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65.5 |
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我知道 它是不是原料 當然是原料 |
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65.5 |
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67.5 |
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對啊 當然是原料啊 |
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你跟中聯買了多少 它不是食品加 |
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你本來要跟他購買那一批是多少公噸 |
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我們這內製的超標案是三千噸 |
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三千噸嘛 對不對 |
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那它5月11號我們去豐朝送驗的那個草 |
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那個草它是一千一百多噸 |
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都出問題嘛 超標嘛 對不對 |
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那個草我們當初就是豐存了 我們也沒有載到 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
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以前有沒有發生過這樣的情況 |
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以前你們驗的有沒有發生這樣的情況 |
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也有超標的情況 退驗的情況 |
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以前驗都沒有這樣的狀況 |
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都沒有超標嗎 |
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都有符合我們的驗收標準 |
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是多少 你們自己制定的驗收標準是要 |
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那個本評比要幾ppb |
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本評比是兩ppb |
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都有符合在兩ppb以內嘛 對不對 |
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那你為什麼要這樣子驗 你是依據食安法哪一條 |
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沒有 這個是我們自己內定的一個招標的規格 |
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所以你也可以不用驗就對了 可以 |
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所以如果本評比超標 你們可以繼續製作就對了 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
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我們會調整我們的製程 讓它那個本評比 |
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那你這一批為什麼要退 如果按照你的邏輯 |
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這個是我們招標合約裡頭 |
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我們就已經定了規格在那裡 |
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一定要符合我們的規格 不符合規格我們就是要退 |
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那為什麼要定這個標準 既然你後面的技術都可以脫色脫酸 |
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剛剛那個 待會我要問部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
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那個成本會不一樣啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
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成本會不一樣 |
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所以不是因為食安法 是因為成本的關係 |
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是 沒有錯 |
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沒有錯 這是你的答案喔 |
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你們針對原料的管理 是因為我不需要基本的嚴格把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
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我是因為成本控制 所以我今天才去定出2ppb的 |
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這樣的本評比的標準 |
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就算說它本評比偏高 經過我們的精煉製程上面的調整 |
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所以你之前到底有沒有購買過超過2ppb本評比的 |
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是沒有啦 因為我們都定那個2ppb嘛 |
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這樣的話對我們來講是整個製程會比較順暢 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
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而且它成本是最低的 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
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所以過去都沒有 沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
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然後你就定了2ppb 是 就定了國家的這個標準 |
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那超標你也可以用 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
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完全不涉及食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
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這個聽起來非常的可怕 大家各位聽懂了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
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就是說台糖也可以不用是2ppb喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
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它不用是這樣子喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
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因為對他們來講 剛剛石部長告訴大家的也是喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
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就是即使它是原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
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它今天超標沒有關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
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其實坦白講你也可以不用退運啦 對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
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按照你的邏輯也可以不用退運啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
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235.5 |
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我繼續做 你沒有違反食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
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我們招標的時候的規格 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
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你們太荒謬了 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
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都不按照食安法辦事的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
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既然脫交原有是你的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
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原料有疑慮的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
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原料有疑慮你竟然還好意思說 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
254.5 |
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我的技術夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
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所以我可以繼續做 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
258.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
剛剛石崇良部長也是這樣子講 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
260.5 |
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這樣子有道理嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
262.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
這樣子有道理嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
264.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
食安法它規格不斷的 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
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所以你們是說只要是出交原有 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
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根本就不用設標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
270.5 |
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反正只要我可以不斷的精煉 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
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到最終的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
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只要符合2PPB就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
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那你的食安法我們都要定假的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
279.5 |
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從原料就應該要開始檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
279.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
281.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
在你的邏輯裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
283.5 |
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原料不需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
285.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
只要我有本事把它精煉出 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
285.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
286.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
檢測不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
287.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
那是我的本事 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
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是這樣子嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
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沒有 出油它不能 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
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它就長這個樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
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那是你的原料不是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
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這個是 對呀 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
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這個就是出油 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
299.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
對呀 那你的原料就應該要把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
301.5 |
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就要符合食安法的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
原料沒有規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
303.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
305.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
食安法都沒有規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
307.5 |
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那就是衛福部食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
309.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
食安法它的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
311.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
它是針對食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
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就是說你直接可以用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
原料都不規範的 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
317.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
原料已經出現 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
319.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
一幾次癌物都不用規範的 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
321.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
它不是有一律的商品嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
323.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
沒有 你經過精煉 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
325.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
存化之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
它就會變成這個樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
所以原料是可以不用管的 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
要管 因為它會影響成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
只是因為成本不是食安的考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
335.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
好 來台長請回去 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
337.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
我問一下那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
經濟部長次 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
341.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
請問台長的社會責任是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
343.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
至少門前雪 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
343.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
345.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
我今天發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
345.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
347.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
我的脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
347.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
349.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
這個本便品超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
349.5 |
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351.5 |
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超標了七倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
351.5 |
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353.5 |
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我只要默默的把它退回去就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
353.5 |
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355.5 |
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因為不符合我的採購規定 |
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355.5 |
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357.5 |
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但是我完全不需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
357.5 |
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359.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
我完全不需要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
359.5 |
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361.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
這個叫做至少門前雪 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
361.5 |
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363.5 |
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在經濟部的標準好低 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
363.5 |
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365.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
一個至少門前雪的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
365.5 |
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367.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
說他是模範生 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
367.5 |
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369.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
請問你的社會責任在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
369.5 |
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371.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
你不覺得很異常嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
371.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
373.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
今天你脫膠原油是第一次買 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
373.5 |
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375.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
是不是 如果以前都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
375.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
377.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
符合標準 符合你的採購標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
377.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
379.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
今天突然暴增 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
379.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
381.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
通通都不需要反應 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
381.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
383.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
當作沒有發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
383.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
385.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
上千公噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
385.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
387.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
隨便 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
387.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
389.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
今天如果中年繼續賣出去 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
389.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
391.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
也隨便 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
391.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
393.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
不管我的事 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
393.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
395.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
這個叫做模範生 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
395.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
397.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
這個叫做社會責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
397.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
399.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
企業社會責任是這樣子寫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
399.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
401.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
作為一個經濟部次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
401.5 |
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403.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
你們說這個叫模範生 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
403.5 |
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405.5 |
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你的標準真的好低 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
405.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
407.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
還不如一個吹哨者 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
407.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
409.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
跟委員會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
409.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
411.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
台長公司所生產的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
411.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
413.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
它有自己的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
413.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
415.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
標標本篇皮的 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
415.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
417.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
要不要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
417.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
419.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
它有驗收的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
419.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
421.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
契約的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
421.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
423.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
比如說在生產大多沙拉油 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
423.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
425.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
的原料的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
425.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
427.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
其實它檢驗的項目起碼就有 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
427.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
429.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
10項以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
429.5 |
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431.5 |
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很好啊 我們正常很嚴謹 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
431.5 |
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433.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
但你發現這一批膠油 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
433.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
435.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
超標這麼多的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
435.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
437.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
你怎麼不用一個很嚴謹的態度來看待 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
437.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
439.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
為什麼不通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
439.5 |
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441.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
第一時間台長有沒有跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
441.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
443.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
這個依照台中地方法院的新聞稿 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
443.5 |
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445.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
也是有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
445.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
447.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
包括中聯跟福茂 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
447.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
449.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
它必須要依照食安法去進行通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
449.5 |
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451.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
他們有他們的責任 我現在問的是你主管的國營機構台長 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
451.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
453.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
他發現這麼重大 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
453.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
455.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
是不是需要跟你主管機構報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
455.5 |
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457.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
你什麼時候知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
457.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
459.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
你什麼時候知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
459.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
461.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
你什麼時候知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
461.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
463.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
從來沒有進入到台糖生產的產線 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
463.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
465.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
所以你還在辯解 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
465.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
467.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
7月9號的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
467.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
469.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
台糖公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
469.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
471.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
你7月9號才知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
471.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
473.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
後知後覺 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
473.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
475.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
麻煩委員讓我時間說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
475.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
477.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
7月9號台糖收到高雄市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
477.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
479.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
預防性下架一個通知 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
479.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
481.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
他有通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
481.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
483.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
所以你是7月9號知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
483.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
485.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
我們國營是因為平常的 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
485.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
487.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
台糖公司的正常的採購的事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
487.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
489.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
包括國營機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
489.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
491.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
非常多的採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
491.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
493.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
你是7月9號知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
493.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
495.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
他不會跟我們說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
495.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
497.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
市長我再問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
497.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
499.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
市長你覺得台糖公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
499.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
501.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
下一次他在發現這種原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
501.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
503.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
超標含有毒物質 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
503.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
505.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
你認為他需不需要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
505.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
507.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
這個就是我們今天本來 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
507.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
509.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
議程要討論的食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
509.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
511.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
需要去經濟農業 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
511.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
513.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
台糖公司依照法規去辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
513.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
515.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
我想知道你的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
515.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
517.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
下一次台糖發現的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
517.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
519.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
類似這樣的情況需不需要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
519.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
521.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
你告訴我就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
521.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
523.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
台糖公司依照法規來辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
523.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
525.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
你覺得需不需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
525.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
527.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
市長你信不信 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
527.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
529.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
你根本都不敢回答這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
529.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
531.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
那個我只能說 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
531.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
533.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
非常的遺憾 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
533.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
535.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
這個社會有良心的人越來越少 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
535.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
537.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
我們很佩服陳宏達主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
537.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
539.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
檢察官還有詹長犬教授 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
539.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
541.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
他們是社會的良心 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
541.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
543.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
他們講該講的話不像現在的 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
543.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
545.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
官員只想護航 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
545.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
547.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
然後不講真話 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
547.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
549.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
食安法這個徐福主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
549.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
551.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
你也站過來食安法當你在 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
551.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
553.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
修法的時候你應該站你當時是專家學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
553.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
555.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
上一波的食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
555.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
557.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
修法的精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
557.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
559.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
我跟大家講 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
559.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
561.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
他很明確告訴大家食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
561.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
563.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
包含原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
563.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
565.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
跟產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
565.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
567.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
而且他又告訴大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
567.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
569.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
這個產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
569.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
571.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
涉及到的原材料 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
571.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
573.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
原料半成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
573.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
575.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
575.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
577.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
他都要業者做什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
577.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
579.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
自主的檢驗把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
579.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
581.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
581.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
583.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
你當時2014年所修的食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
583.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
585.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
585.5 |
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587.5 |
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修法的精神就是詹長犬教授 |
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587.5 |
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589.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
所講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
589.5 |
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591.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
他是建立在預警 |
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591.5 |
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593.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
跟可控的這樣一個精神裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
593.5 |
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599.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
如果你今天是站在一個預警的角度 |
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599.5 |
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601.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
管控食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
601.5 |
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603.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
從源頭把關 |
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603.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
605.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
今天台糖發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
605.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
607.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
這樣的一個 |
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607.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
609.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
原油脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
609.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
611.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
本便宜嚴重 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
611.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
613.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
超標的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
613.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
615.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
作為一個國營 |
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615.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
617.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
617.5 |
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619.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
善盡社會責任 |
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619.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
621.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
就應該要通報 |
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621.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
623.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
623.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
625.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
這樣的一個做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
625.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
627.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
才符合所有食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
627.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
629.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
你從第一條看到最後一條 |
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629.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
631.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
他在要求的 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
631.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
633.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
都是從源頭的原料 |
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633.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
635.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
管道成品 |
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635.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
637.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
絕對不是你們現在的推托 |
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637.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
639.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
推托之詞 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
639.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
641.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
什麼這個脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
641.5 |
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643.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
不是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
643.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
645.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
所以都不在食安法的管制範圍嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
645.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
647.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
這樣的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
647.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
649.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
荒謬無比 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
649.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
651.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
而且完全違反 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
651.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
653.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
食安法的精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
653.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
655.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
這個也是我相信詹長犬教授 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
655.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
657.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
為什麼他痛批 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
657.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
659.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
他說這已經是政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
659.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
661.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
誠信跟治理的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
661.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
663.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
663.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
665.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
你要從嚴或從寬解釋 |
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665.5 |
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667.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
的確政府你把握了公權力 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
667.5 |
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669.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
你有權去解釋 |
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669.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
671.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
但是我只能說 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
671.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
673.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
你要憑良心啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
673.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
675.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
食安法的精神是給你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
675.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
677.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
這樣子濫用的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
677.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
679.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
更何況我們再來看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
679.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
681.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
這個衛福部 |
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681.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
683.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
不要自己講過的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
683.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
685.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
立刻講過就忘記 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
685.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
687.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
你在2014年 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
687.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
689.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
3月11號 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
689.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
691.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
那時候的整個 |
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691.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
693.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
食藥署很正常 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
693.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
695.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
而且勇於認識 |
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695.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
697.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
而且積極開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
697.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
699.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
從這個蘇丹紅 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
699.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
701.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
事件願意認真 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
701.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
703.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
去檢討而且告訴 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
703.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
705.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
大家就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
705.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
707.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
原料出問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
707.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
709.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
也都需要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
709.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
711.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
因為我們拒絕 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
711.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
713.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
源頭不法講的非常 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
713.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
715.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
好這一篇新聞稿 |
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715.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
717.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
我給100分 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
717.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
719.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
非常好認真做 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
719.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
721.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
事而且他提醒大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
721.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
723.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
723.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
725.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
如果你發現原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
725.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
727.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
或產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
727.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
729.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
有危害衛生 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
729.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
731.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
安全之餘 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
731.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
733.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
要主動通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
733.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
735.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
直轄市縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
735.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
737.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
737.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
739.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
這個是2024 |
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739.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
741.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
白紙黑字 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
741.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
743.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
由食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
743.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
745.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
發出的新聞稿 |
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745.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
747.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
747.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
749.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
校期只有兩年嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
749.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
751.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
遇到了台廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
751.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
753.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
就會轉彎嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
753.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
755.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
你當時這樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
755.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
757.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
一個宣示難道 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
757.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
759.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
你沒有通通去告訴 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
759.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
761.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
所有的業者嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
761.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
763.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
原料有問題需不需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
763.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
765.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
通報還是要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
765.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
767.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
結果為了 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
767.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
769.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
替台廠開脫你現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
769.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
771.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
所有的法律重新 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
771.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
773.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
解釋你又倒退 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
773.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
775.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
回來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
775.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
777.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
2024年這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
777.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
779.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
我們絕對是支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
779.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
781.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
源頭就要管理這個沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
781.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
783.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
你等我講完我沒有聽你發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
783.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
785.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
785.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
787.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
真的 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
787.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
789.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
讓人家對於現在的 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
789.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
791.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
衛福部非常的 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
791.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
793.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
失望我要請行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
793.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
795.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
食安辦的徐福主任你現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
795.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
797.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
站出來你作為衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
797.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
799.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
上級的主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
799.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
801.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
那個來 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
801.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
803.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
徐福主任你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].start |
803.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
805.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
2014年 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].start |
805.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
807.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
這個食安法的精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
807.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
809.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
是不是我們要預警 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
809.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
811.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
我們要做風險管理我們要從 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
811.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
813.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
源頭管理是或不是原則上 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].start |
813.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
815.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
是這樣但是他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].start |
815.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
817.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
樣態不一樣我剛聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
817.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
819.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
委員的這個說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
819.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
821.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
事實上從 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
821.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
823.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
原料來看他有分類假設 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].start |
823.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
825.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].start |
825.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
827.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
微生物的含量過高 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].start |
827.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
829.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
那就是要透過 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].start |
829.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
831.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
不是所有的原料都需要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
831.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
833.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
2024年食藥署的 |
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833.5 |
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835.5 |
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這個公開的宣導跟新聞稿 |
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蘇丹紅那是不得在 |
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食品裡面去檢出他不是 |
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841.5 |
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一個新聞稿的範圍有效範圍 |
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841.5 |
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僅限於蘇丹紅嗎 |
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你的原料是這個蘇丹 |
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847.5 |
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紅這三個字 |
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847.5 |
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849.5 |
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不應添加的都應該要這樣 |
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851.5 |
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他有說不應添加嗎 |
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851.5 |
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853.5 |
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你有認真看待 |
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855.5 |
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10 |
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855.5 |
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857.5 |
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大家看一下我們 |
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857.5 |
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859.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].text |
我們的法令 |
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859.5 |
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861.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
第15條第一項第三 |
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861.5 |
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863.5 |
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是誰告訴你 |
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863.5 |
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865.5 |
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是誰告訴你 |
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865.5 |
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867.5 |
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要添加的才算 |
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869.5 |
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不是這樣講詹老師講的是 |
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871.5 |
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有道理但是要看樣態 |
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871.5 |
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873.5 |
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你所有的生的東西 |
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873.5 |
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875.5 |
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菌的數量一定 |
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875.5 |
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877.5 |
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是比較多那當然是從 |
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877.5 |
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879.5 |
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預警你要先殺完菌才能 |
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879.5 |
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881.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
再來用那你 |
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881.5 |
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883.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].text |
做成調理包的變成 |
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883.5 |
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885.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].text |
下游拿來用的時候他就不應該 |
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885.5 |
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887.5 |
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草標所以他的這個 |
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887.5 |
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889.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
這樣態是會不一樣的 |
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889.5 |
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891.5 |
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好那我就問你所以 |
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891.5 |
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893.5 |
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脫交原有的本偏僻有多少 |
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893.5 |
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895.5 |
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才合理含有多少才合理 |
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897.5 |
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這個全世界並沒有針對這個去 |
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899.5 |
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訂這個標準的 |
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901.5 |
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所以我們我們是在看 |
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901.5 |
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903.5 |
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成品油那你的預警 |
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903.5 |
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905.5 |
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機制到底怎麼做當你下游 |
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905.5 |
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907.5 |
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當中年生產出來的 |
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907.5 |
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909.5 |
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脫交原有本偏僻超標這麼多 |
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909.5 |
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911.5 |
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你還說因為我們 |
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911.5 |
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913.5 |
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沒有訂標準我不能採取任何 |
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913.5 |
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915.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
作為那你怎麼樣去預警 |
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915.5 |
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917.5 |
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檢查出來有意義嗎 |
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917.5 |
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919.5 |
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你好比說 |
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919.5 |
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921.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
放白土活性炭等等 |
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921.5 |
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923.5 |
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下降到這個 |
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923.5 |
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925.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
這個合格值之下 |
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925.5 |
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927.5 |
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你覺得這樣合理嗎 |
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927.5 |
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929.5 |
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你覺得台糖 |
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931.5 |
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都不敢用了那這一波有 |
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933.5 |
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疑慮了然後這個 |
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933.5 |
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935.5 |
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都不需要處理也不需要通報你們 |
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937.5 |
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現在還覺得這樣很合理 |
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937.5 |
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939.5 |
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那你們如果要這樣子管理食安的話 |
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939.5 |
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941.5 |
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最大的破口就是 |
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943.5 |
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行政院跟衛福部 |
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943.5 |
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945.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
你們從源頭去放鬆 |
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945.5 |
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947.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
我就舉台糖為例 |
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947.5 |
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949.5 |
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沒有放鬆那我就問你 |
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949.5 |
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951.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
台糖這一批的脫交原有 |
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951.5 |
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953.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
為什麼需要退運 |
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953.5 |
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955.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
為什麼不能 |
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955.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
957.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
再生產製造為什麼你們要 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].start |
957.5 |
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959.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
告訴大家他繼續在中年的油炒 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].start |
959.5 |
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961.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
按照你們剛剛回答的邏輯 |
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961.5 |
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963.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
你知道犯了多大的問題嗎 |
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963.5 |
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965.5 |
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只要可以脫色脫臭 |
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965.5 |
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967.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
最終成品驗不出 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].start |
967.5 |
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969.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
本偏僻就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].start |
969.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
971.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
我管你原料有多糟糕 |
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971.5 |
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973.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
我的技術可以精煉到這樣 |
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973.5 |
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975.5 |
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就好了是這樣嗎 |
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975.5 |
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977.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
我們要管理確保 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].start |
977.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
979.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
食安是就我們自己買的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].start |
979.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
981.5 |
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所以大家從原料管理啊 |
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981.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
983.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
怎麼會說原料不需要管理呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].start |
983.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
985.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
這一批原料自始至終都在中年裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].start |
985.5 |
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987.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].text |
他不是台糖的 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].start |
987.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].end |
989.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
物品啊所以台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].start |
989.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
991.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
派人去中年看去送 |
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991.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].end |
993.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].text |
驗回來知道說這一批沒 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].start |
993.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
995.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
合格的可能收我提醒你 |
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995.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
997.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
這件事情是這樣子你現在是食安辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].start |
997.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
999.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
的主任你不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].start |
999.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
1001.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
台糖的發言人 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].start |
1001.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
1003.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
作為一個食安辦的主任 |
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1003.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
1005.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
我真的希望你有 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].start |
1005.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
1007.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
詹長權教授這樣的勇氣跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
1007.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
1009.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
骨氣 |
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1009.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
1011.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
這樣才能做好食安的把關 |
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1011.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
1013.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
而不是遇到 |
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1013.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
1015.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
事情的時候你們都變成是 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].start |
1015.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
1017.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
護航團沒有必要 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
1017.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
1019.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].text |
我今天沒有說台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].start |
1019.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
1021.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
有非常非常的不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].start |
1021.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
1023.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
但我認為他做錯一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
1023.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
1025.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
是你至少門前 |
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1025.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
1027.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
學你今天發現這麼重大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].start |
1027.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
1029.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
瑕疵你為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].start |
1029.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
1031.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
跟主管機關講一聲會怎樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
1031.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
1033.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].text |
你不是阻止了一場 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
1033.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
1035.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
這個重大食安事件的發生嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
1035.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
1037.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
結果你們現在不是全部 |
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1037.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
1039.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
毛起來要告訴大家說 |
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1039.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
1041.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
台糖沒有錯台糖好棒棒 |
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1041.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
1043.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
是棒在哪裡啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
1045.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
1047.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
他至少門前學他沒有 |
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1047.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
1049.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
發揮他該有的社會責任他 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
1049.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
1051.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
連一個吹哨者都不如 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
1051.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
1053.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
在這一點上面不應該 |
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1053.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
1055.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
被檢討嗎我就問 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].start |
1055.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
1057.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
你下次有類似這樣的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].start |
1057.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
1059.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
你認為他應不該通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
1061.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
1063.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
要或不要你作為一個食安辦主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].start |
1063.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
1065.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
你趕快講真話要不要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].start |
1067.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
1069.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
要看樣態依法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].start |
1069.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
1071.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
來去 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].start |
1071.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
1073.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
我就直接問你下次如果這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].start |
1073.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
1075.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
你們這個脫交原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
1075.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
1077.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
出現本田體超標像這樣子七倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
1077.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
1079.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
需不需要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].start |
1081.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
1083.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
需不需要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].start |
1083.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
1085.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
台糖有沒有通報的責任跟義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].start |
1085.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
1087.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
這是他的原料喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].start |
1087.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
1089.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].text |
應該不是台糖原料是中聯原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].start |
1089.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].end |
1091.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
他那個在他的草裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].start |
1091.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
1093.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
我要說明的是這樣然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].start |
1093.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
1095.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
還要看樣態的 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].start |
1095.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
1097.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
我真的不用問你們太令人失望了 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].start |
1099.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
1101.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
如果我們的食安要 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
1101.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
1103.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
把關一定是源頭把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].start |
1103.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].end |
1105.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
一定是按照你們原來 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].start |
1105.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
1107.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
的這份新聞稿講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].start |
1107.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
1109.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
原料半成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].start |
1109.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
1111.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
還有成品你發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].start |
1111.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
1113.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
有問題的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].start |
1113.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
1115.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
應該要主動通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].start |
1115.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
1117.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
你這個才能發揮 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].start |
1117.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
1119.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
層層把關的這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
1119.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
1121.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
互相去監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].start |
1121.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
1123.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
互相去通報你 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
1123.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
1125.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
才能為食安把關但是我 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].start |
1125.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
1127.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
真的非常的痛心今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
1127.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
1129.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
我們的公部門不站在 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
1129.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
1131.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
捍衛人民食安最 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].start |
1131.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
1133.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
高標準我要講的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
1133.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
1135.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
最高標準來 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
1135.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
1137.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
執法然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
1137.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
1139.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
講一些是是而非 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
1139.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
1141.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
的道理然後再硬拗 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
1141.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
1143.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
這樣子我們的食安怎麼從 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
1143.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
1145.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
源頭把關這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
1145.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
1147.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
真的是讓人家看了非常非常的 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
1147.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
1149.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
失望真理不敢 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
1149.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
1151.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
講我真的覺得你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
1151.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
1153.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
的位置通通都可以下來了我們希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
1153.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
1155.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
詹長璇教授可以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
1155.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
1157.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
主導我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
1157.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
1159.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
食安我們現在食安需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
1159.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
1161.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
長理的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
1161.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
1163.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
需要有一個有道德勇氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
1163.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
1165.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
在食安把關上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
1165.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
1167.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
他真的是站在人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
1167.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
1169.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
這一邊的我們需要這樣的一個專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
1169.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
1171.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
來帶領我們的食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
1171.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
1173.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
如果只是為了位置而存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
1173.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
1175.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
的話我真的覺得我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
1175.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
1177.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
台灣真的不需要好我質詢到 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].start |
1177.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
1179.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
這邊給你最後說明一句 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
1179.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
1181.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
我們的調查報告寫得很 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
1181.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
1183.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
清楚必須按照原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
1183.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
1185.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
的品質做製程調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
1185.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
1187.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
所以需要監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
1187.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
1189.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
的是地方政府要去監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
1189.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
1191.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
好他的製程過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
1191.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
1193.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
是不是符合HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
1193.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
1195.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
1195.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
1197.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-08-05T11:02:19+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-08-05T11:02:20.578947+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].text |
好，謝謝主席。 |
| transcript.gazette[0].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-08-05T11:02:21.763158+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-08-05T11:02:34.230769+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].text |
有請衛福部部長、食藥署署長、經濟部常務次長、台糖副總，還有行政院食安辦許輔主任，一起上臺。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
0.795 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-08-05T11:02:34.230769+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-08-05T11:02:35.230769+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
有請以上官員。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-08-05T11:02:35.090909+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-08-05T11:02:43.343750+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
我先問台糖副總，你們剛剛拿了兩罐，繼續拿上來，沒有關係。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-08-05T11:02:44.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-08-05T11:02:50.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
你告訴本席說脫膠原油是台糖製油的原料嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-08-05T11:02:51.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-08-05T11:02:52.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].text |
是或不是。 |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-08-05T11:02:52.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-08-05T11:03:01.227273+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
我們台糖做沙拉油是從黃豆開始，所以我們進口的都是美國黃豆，壓成粗油…… |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.742 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-08-05T11:03:01.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-08-05T11:03:07.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
好，我直接問你，你跟中聯買的脫膠原油就是這一罐，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-08-05T11:03:07.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-08-05T11:03:10.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
對，我們自己也有生產。 |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-08-05T11:03:10.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-08-05T11:03:13.323529+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
好，這一罐是不是你食用油的原料？ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-08-05T11:03:13.558824+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-08-05T11:03:14.264706+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
是或不是。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-08-05T11:03:14.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-08-05T11:03:17.657895+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
它不能食用啊，它必須要經過…… |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-08-05T11:03:17.657895+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-08-05T11:03:18.657895+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
它是不是製造成那一瓶食用油的原料？ |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-08-05T11:03:17.973684+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-08-05T11:03:20.184211+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
它必須要經過精煉…… |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-08-05T11:03:20.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-08-05T11:03:22.785714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
我知道，它是不是原料啦？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-08-05T11:03:23.071429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-08-05T11:03:24.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
當然是原料。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-08-05T11:03:24.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-08-05T11:03:26.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
對啊，當然是原料啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-08-05T11:03:26.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-08-05T11:03:27.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
但是它不是…… |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-08-05T11:03:26.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-08-05T11:03:28.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
你跟中聯買了多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-08-05T11:03:28.785714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-08-05T11:03:29.928571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
它不是食品…… |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-08-05T11:03:30.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-08-05T11:03:33.312500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
你本來要跟他購買的那一批是多少公噸？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-08-05T11:03:33.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-08-05T11:03:36.269231+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
我們那一次的招標案是3,000噸。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.583 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-08-05T11:03:37.071429+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:03:38.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
3,000噸嘛，對不對？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
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2026-08-05T11:03:39.566667+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-08-05T11:03:49.227273+08:00 |
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5月11日我們去封槽送驗的那個槽是一千一百多噸。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
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2026-08-05T11:03:49.500000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-08-05T11:03:52.227273+08:00 |
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都出問題嘛，超標嘛，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
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2026-08-05T11:03:52.500000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-08-05T11:03:57.236842+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
那個槽，我們當初就是封存了，我們也沒有載到我們的…… |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.773 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
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2026-08-05T11:03:57.500000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-08-05T11:03:59.346154+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
以前有沒有發生過這樣的情況？ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
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2026-08-05T11:03:59.500000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-08-05T11:04:02.312500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
以前你們驗的有沒有發生這樣的情況？以前…… |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
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2026-08-05T11:04:02.500000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-08-05T11:04:03.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
也有超標的情況？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-08-05T11:04:03.666667+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-08-05T11:04:04.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
退驗的情況？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-08-05T11:04:04.500000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-08-05T11:04:06.318182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
以前驗都沒有這樣的狀況，就沒有…… |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-08-05T11:04:06.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-08-05T11:04:08.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
都沒有超標嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-08-05T11:04:08.500000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-08-05T11:04:10.318182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
都有符合我們的驗收標準啦。 |
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0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-08-05T11:04:10.500000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-08-05T11:04:10.875000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
是多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-08-05T11:04:11.062500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-08-05T11:04:16.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
你們自己制定的驗收標準，苯駢芘要多少ppb？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-08-05T11:04:17.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-08-05T11:04:18.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
苯駢芘是2 ppb。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-08-05T11:04:18.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-08-05T11:04:21.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
都有符合在2 ppb以內嘛，對不對？是，對。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-08-05T11:04:21.700000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-08-05T11:04:23.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
你為什麼要這樣驗？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-08-05T11:04:23.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-08-05T11:04:25.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
你是依據食安法哪一條？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-08-05T11:04:25.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-08-05T11:04:30.236842+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
沒有，這個是我們自己內定的一個招標規格。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-08-05T11:04:30.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-08-05T11:04:32.071429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
所以你也可以不用驗就對了。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-08-05T11:04:32.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-08-05T11:04:32.357143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
可以、可以。 |
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0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
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2026-08-05T11:04:32.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-08-05T11:04:36.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
所以如果苯駢芘超標，你們可以繼續製作就對了，不用退運。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.708 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
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2026-08-05T11:04:36.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:04:38.852941+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
我們會調整我們的製程，讓苯駢芘降低。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.688 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-08-05T11:04:40.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-08-05T11:04:42+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
你這一批為什麼要退？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-08-05T11:04:42.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-08-05T11:04:43.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
如果按照你的邏輯。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
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2026-08-05T11:04:43.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:04:50.357143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
這個是我們招標合約裡頭就已經訂了規格，一定要符合我們的規格，不符合規格就是要退。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.973 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-08-05T11:04:50.660000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-08-05T11:04:51.940000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
對啊，為什麼要訂這個標準？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-08-05T11:04:52.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-08-05T11:04:56.318182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
既然後續的技術都可以脫色、脫酸，待會我要問部長…… |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-08-05T11:04:56.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-08-05T11:04:58.277778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
那個成本會不一樣啊。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-08-05T11:04:58.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-08-05T11:05:00.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
成本會不一樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-08-05T11:05:00.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-08-05T11:05:01.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
成本會不一樣，如果苯駢芘…… |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-08-05T11:05:00.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-08-05T11:05:04.264706+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
所以不是因為食安法，是因為成本的關係。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-08-05T11:05:04.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-08-05T11:05:05.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
是，沒有錯。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-08-05T11:05:05.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-08-05T11:05:05.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
沒有錯？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-08-05T11:05:06.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-08-05T11:05:07.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
這是你的答案。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-08-05T11:05:07.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-08-05T11:05:19.277778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
你們針對原料的管理，是因為不需要基本的嚴格把關，是因為成本控制，所以今天才去訂出苯駢芘2 ppb的標準。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-08-05T11:05:19.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-08-05T11:05:25.239130+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
經過精煉之後，就算它的苯駢芘偏高，經過我們在精煉製程上面的調整，出來的…… |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.562 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-08-05T11:05:25.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-08-05T11:05:30.272727+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
所以你之前到底有沒有購買過苯駢芘超過2 ppb的…… |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.864 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-08-05T11:05:30.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-08-05T11:05:39.277778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
是沒有啦，因為我們都訂2 ppb嘛，這樣對我們來講在整個製程會比較順暢，而且它的成本是最低的。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.927 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-08-05T11:05:39.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-08-05T11:05:41.277778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
所以過去都沒有？沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-08-05T11:05:41.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-08-05T11:05:43.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
然後你就訂了2 ppb？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-08-05T11:05:43.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-08-05T11:05:45.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
就訂了國家的標準？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-08-05T11:05:45.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-08-05T11:05:47.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
超標，你也可以用？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-08-05T11:05:47.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-08-05T11:05:50.071429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
完全不涉及食安？ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-08-05T11:05:50.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-08-05T11:05:53.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
這個聽起來非常可怕，各位聽懂了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-08-05T11:05:53.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-08-05T11:05:57.233333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
就是台糖也可以不用是2 ppb喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-08-05T11:05:57.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-08-05T11:06:03.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
他不用是這樣子，剛剛石部長告訴大家的也是喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-08-05T11:06:03.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-08-05T11:06:10.323529+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
就是即使它是原料，今天超標沒有關係，其實坦白講，你也可以不用退運啊，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.97 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-08-05T11:06:10.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:06:12.214286+08:00 |
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按照你的邏輯，也可以不用退運啊！ |
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0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
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2026-08-05T11:06:12.214286+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-08-05T11:06:13.214286+08:00 |
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一定要退，因為我們的合約…… |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.091 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
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2026-08-05T11:06:12.666667+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:06:14.333333+08:00 |
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你繼續做……你沒有違反食安法啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-08-05T11:06:14.500000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-08-05T11:06:17.200000+08:00 |
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我們招標時的規格，驗收的規格就是不能超過…… |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.421 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-08-05T11:06:17.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-08-05T11:06:19.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
你們太荒謬了！ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-08-05T11:06:19.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-08-05T11:06:20.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
超過的…… |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-08-05T11:06:19.500000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-08-05T11:06:22.227273+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
都不按照食安法辦事的嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-08-05T11:06:22.500000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-08-05T11:06:35.250000+08:00 |
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既然脫膠原油是你的原料，原料有疑慮的時候，你竟然還好意思說：「我的技術夠，所以我可以繼續做！ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-08-05T11:06:35.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-08-05T11:06:41.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
」剛剛石崇良部長也是這樣講，這樣有道理嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-08-05T11:06:41.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-08-05T11:06:43.277778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
食安法規範的…… |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-08-05T11:06:43.500000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-08-05T11:06:53.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
所以你們是說只要是粗膠原油，根本就不用設標準，反正可以不斷地精煉，最終的產品只要符合2 ppb就好了。 |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.844 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-08-05T11:06:54.142857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-08-05T11:06:56.285714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
食安法都是定假的嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-08-05T11:06:56.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-08-05T11:06:58.318182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
從原料就應該要開始檢驗…… |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-08-05T11:06:58.318182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-08-05T11:06:59.318182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
粗油裡頭不只…… |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-08-05T11:06:58.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-08-05T11:07:07.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
在你們的邏輯裡面，原料不需要，只要有本事把它精煉到檢測不到，那是我的本事，是這樣子嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-08-05T11:07:07.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-08-05T11:07:11.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
沒有，粗油就長這個樣子，而且它的味道…… |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.562 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-08-05T11:07:11.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-08-05T11:07:13.277778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
那是你的原料，不是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-08-05T11:07:14.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-08-05T11:07:16.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
對啊，這個就是粗油。 |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-08-05T11:07:16.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-08-05T11:07:20.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
對啊，你的原料就應該要把關，就要符合食安法的規範，所以…… |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
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2026-08-05T11:07:20.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-08-05T11:07:22.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
原料沒有規範啦，沒有…… |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-08-05T11:07:22.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-08-05T11:07:25.750000+08:00 |
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食安法都沒有規範，那就是衛福部失職。 |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-08-05T11:07:26.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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2026-08-05T11:07:32.300000+08:00 |
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食安法的規範是針對食品，就是直接可以用的、可以吃的…… |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.826 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-08-05T11:07:32.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-08-05T11:07:34.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
原料都不規範的？ |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-08-05T11:07:34.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-08-05T11:07:34.833333+08:00 |
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原料可以經過…… |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-08-05T11:07:35.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-08-05T11:07:38.318182+08:00 |
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原料已經出現一級致癌物，都不用規範的…… |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0.765 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-08-05T11:07:38.318182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-08-05T11:07:39.318182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
它是經過…… |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-08-05T11:07:38.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-08-05T11:07:40.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
它不是有疑慮的商品嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-08-05T11:07:40.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-08-05T11:07:46.277778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
沒有，經過精煉純化之後，它就會變成這個樣子。 |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-08-05T11:07:46.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-08-05T11:07:48.318182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
對，所以原料是可以不用管的，沒有關係？ |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0.688 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-08-05T11:07:48.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-08-05T11:07:50.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
要管，因為它會影響成本。 |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-08-05T11:07:50.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-08-05T11:07:51.269231+08:00 |
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只是因為成本……是。 |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-08-05T11:07:51.423077+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-08-05T11:07:52.346154+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
而不是食安的考量嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-08-05T11:07:52.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-08-05T11:07:53.928571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
好，台糖請回。 |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-08-05T11:07:54.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-08-05T11:08:00.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
我問一下經濟部常次，請問台糖的社會責任是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-08-05T11:08:01.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-08-05T11:08:20.277778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
「自掃門前雪」，今天發現脫膠原油的苯駢芘超標，超標了七倍，只要默默地把它退回去就好，因為不符合採購規定，完全不需要通報，這個叫做「自掃門前雪」。 |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0.852 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-08-05T11:08:20.722222+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2026-08-05T11:08:22.277778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
經濟部的標準好低啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-08-05T11:08:22.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2026-08-05T11:08:28.318182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
對一個「自掃門前雪」的人，卻說他是模範生，請問你的社會責任在哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-08-05T11:08:28.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2026-08-05T11:08:30.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
你不覺得很異常嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-08-05T11:08:30.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2026-08-05T11:08:32.944444+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
今天脫膠原油是第一次買，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-08-05T11:08:33.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2026-08-05T11:08:40+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
如果以前都是符合採購標準，今天突然暴增，通通都不需要反映？ |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-08-05T11:08:40.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2026-08-05T11:08:42.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
當作沒有發生？ |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2026-08-05T11:08:42.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2026-08-05T11:08:49.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].text |
上千公噸，如果中聯繼續賣出去，也隨便！ |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2026-08-05T11:08:50.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2026-08-05T11:08:54.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].text |
不關我的事，這個叫做模範生啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2026-08-05T11:08:54.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2026-08-05T11:08:56.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].text |
這個叫做社會責任啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2026-08-05T11:08:56.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[113].end |
2026-08-05T11:08:58.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].text |
企業社會責任是這樣子寫的啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2026-08-05T11:08:58.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[114].end |
2026-08-05T11:09:04.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].text |
作為一個經濟部次長，你們說這個叫模範生，你的標準真的好低啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2026-08-05T11:09:04.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[115].end |
2026-08-05T11:09:06.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].text |
還不如一個吹哨者！ |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2026-08-05T11:09:06.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[116].end |
2026-08-05T11:09:12.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].text |
跟委員及委員會說明，台糖公司所生產的產品有他自己的標準…… |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2026-08-05T11:09:12.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2026-08-05T11:09:16.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].text |
所以下一次你們發現苯駢芘超標的膠油，要不要通報？ |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
0.318 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2026-08-05T11:09:16.785714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2026-08-05T11:09:20.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].text |
基本上，台糖公司所有的進料有驗收的規定、契約的規定。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
0.458 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2026-08-05T11:09:20.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[119].end |
2026-08-05T11:09:27.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].text |
比如在生產大豆沙拉油的原料部分，其實檢驗的項目起碼就有十項以上，所以…… |
| transcript.gazette[119].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2026-08-05T11:09:28.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[120].end |
2026-08-05T11:09:28.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].text |
很好啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2026-08-05T11:09:29.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[121].end |
2026-08-05T11:09:36.375000+08:00 |
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我們贊成很嚴謹，但你發現這一批膠油超標這麼多的時候，怎麼不用一個很嚴謹的態度來看待？ |
| transcript.gazette[121].quality |
0.949 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[122].start |
2026-08-05T11:09:36.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[122].end |
2026-08-05T11:09:38.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].text |
為什麼不通報？ |
| transcript.gazette[122].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[123].start |
2026-08-05T11:09:38.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[123].end |
2026-08-05T11:09:40.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].text |
第一時間，台糖有沒有跟你講？ |
| transcript.gazette[123].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[124].start |
2026-08-05T11:09:40.785714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[124].end |
2026-08-05T11:09:48.357143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].text |
依照臺中地方法院的新聞稿，也是有提到包括中聯跟福懋，必須要依照食安法進行通報。 |
| transcript.gazette[124].quality |
0.972 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[125].start |
2026-08-05T11:09:48.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[125].end |
2026-08-05T11:09:54.346154+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].text |
他們有他們的責任，我現在問的是你主管的國營機構──台糖，它發現這麼重大的事情，需不需要跟主管機關報告？ |
| transcript.gazette[125].quality |
0.787 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[126].start |
2026-08-05T11:09:54.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[126].end |
2026-08-05T11:09:56.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].text |
你什麼時候知道的？ |
| transcript.gazette[126].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[127].start |
2026-08-05T11:10:00.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[127].end |
2026-08-05T11:10:02.357143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].text |
所謂為何台糖允收產品從來沒有進入到台糖生產的產線…… |
| transcript.gazette[127].quality |
0.542 |
| transcript.gazette[128].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[128].start |
2026-08-05T11:10:02.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[128].end |
2026-08-05T11:10:04.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].text |
所以你還在辯解。 |
| transcript.gazette[128].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[129].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[129].start |
2026-08-05T11:10:04.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[129].end |
2026-08-05T11:10:08+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].text |
而7月9日的時候，台糖公司…… |
| transcript.gazette[129].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[130].start |
2026-08-05T11:10:08.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[130].end |
2026-08-05T11:10:12+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].text |
你7月9日才知道，後知後覺！ |
| transcript.gazette[130].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[131].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[131].start |
2026-08-05T11:10:12.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[131].end |
2026-08-05T11:10:20+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].text |
麻煩委員給我時間說明，7月9日台糖收到高雄市政府預防性下架的通知，它有通報給國營司…… |
| transcript.gazette[131].quality |
0.757 |
| transcript.gazette[132].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[132].start |
2026-08-05T11:10:20.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[132].end |
2026-08-05T11:10:22.277778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].text |
所以你是7月9日知道的？ |
| transcript.gazette[132].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[133].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[133].start |
2026-08-05T11:10:22.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[133].end |
2026-08-05T11:10:30.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].text |
我們國營司因為平常台糖公司正常的採購事項，包括國營企業非常多的採購事項…… |
| transcript.gazette[133].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[134].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[134].start |
2026-08-05T11:10:30.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[134].end |
2026-08-05T11:10:31.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].text |
你不會介入。 |
| transcript.gazette[134].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[135].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[135].start |
2026-08-05T11:10:30.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[135].end |
2026-08-05T11:10:32.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].text |
好，你是7月9日知道的。 |
| transcript.gazette[135].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[136].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[136].start |
2026-08-05T11:10:32.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[136].end |
2026-08-05T11:10:34.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].text |
以及允收的標準，它不會跟我們說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[136].quality |
0.467 |
| transcript.gazette[137].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[137].start |
2026-08-05T11:10:34.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[137].end |
2026-08-05T11:10:44.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].text |
次長，我最後問你，你認為依台糖的社會責任，下一次它再發現原料含有毒物質超標，你認為它需不需要通報？ |
| transcript.gazette[137].quality |
0.614 |
| transcript.gazette[138].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[138].start |
2026-08-05T11:10:44.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[138].end |
2026-08-05T11:10:48.785714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].text |
這個就是我們今天原本議程要討論的，食安法需要精進的部分…… |
| transcript.gazette[138].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[139].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[139].start |
2026-08-05T11:10:48.785714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[139].end |
2026-08-05T11:10:49.785714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].text |
你認為需不需要通報？ |
| transcript.gazette[139].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[140].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[140].start |
2026-08-05T11:10:49.785714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[140].end |
2026-08-05T11:10:50.785714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].text |
你告訴我就好。 |
| transcript.gazette[140].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[141].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[141].start |
2026-08-05T11:10:50.681818+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[141].end |
2026-08-05T11:10:52.318182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].text |
台糖公司依照法規去辦理。 |
| transcript.gazette[141].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[142].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[142].start |
2026-08-05T11:10:52.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[142].end |
2026-08-05T11:10:58.346154+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].text |
我想知道你的標準，下一次台糖發現類似這樣的情況，需不需要通報？ |
| transcript.gazette[142].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[143].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[143].start |
2026-08-05T11:10:58.346154+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[143].end |
2026-08-05T11:11:00.681818+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].text |
你告訴我就好，你作為它的頂頭上司，你覺得需不需要？ |
| transcript.gazette[143].quality |
0.273 |
| transcript.gazette[144].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[144].start |
2026-08-05T11:11:00.681818+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[144].end |
2026-08-05T11:11:02.318182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].text |
台糖公司依照法規來辦理。 |
| transcript.gazette[144].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[145].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[145].start |
2026-08-05T11:11:02.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[145].end |
2026-08-05T11:11:04.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].text |
你覺得需不需要？ |
| transcript.gazette[145].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[146].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[146].start |
2026-08-05T11:11:04.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[146].end |
2026-08-05T11:11:05.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].text |
不敢回答！ |
| transcript.gazette[146].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[147].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[147].start |
2026-08-05T11:11:05.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[147].end |
2026-08-05T11:11:06.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].text |
請你回去。 |
| transcript.gazette[147].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[148].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[148].start |
2026-08-05T11:11:06.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[148].end |
2026-08-05T11:11:07.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].text |
石崇良部長…… |
| transcript.gazette[148].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[149].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[149].start |
2026-08-05T11:11:07.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[149].end |
2026-08-05T11:11:08.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].text |
無論它是國營企業或民營企業，都需要依照法規來辦理。 |
| transcript.gazette[149].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[150].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[150].start |
2026-08-05T11:11:04.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[150].end |
2026-08-05T11:11:08.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].text |
次長你請回，你根本都不敢回答這個問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[150].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[151].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[151].start |
2026-08-05T11:11:09.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[151].end |
2026-08-05T11:11:26.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].text |
我只能說非常的遺憾，這個社會有良心的人越來越少，我們很佩服陳宏達主任檢察官還有詹長權教授，他們是社會的良心，他們講該講的話，不像現在的官員只想護航，不講真話。 |
| transcript.gazette[151].quality |
0.986 |
| transcript.gazette[152].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[152].start |
2026-08-05T11:11:28.055556+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[152].end |
2026-08-05T11:11:32.382353+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].text |
許輔主任你也站過來，食安法當時在修法的時候，你應該在，你當時是專家學者。 |
| transcript.gazette[152].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[153].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[153].start |
2026-08-05T11:11:32.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[153].end |
2026-08-05T11:11:56.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].text |
我跟大家講，上一波食安法修法的精神很明確地告訴大家，食品包含原料跟產品，而且又告訴大家，產品涉及到的原料、半成品、成品都要業者做什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[153].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[154].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[154].start |
2026-08-05T11:11:56.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[154].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[154].end |
2026-08-05T11:12:12+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[154].text |
自主的檢驗把關，所以當時2014年所修的食安法，其修法精神就是詹長權教授講的，是建立在預警跟可控的精神。 |
| transcript.gazette[154].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[155].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[155].start |
2026-08-05T11:12:12.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[155].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[155].end |
2026-08-05T11:12:46.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[155].text |
如果你今天是站在預警的角度，管控食安從源頭把關，今天台糖發現脫膠原油苯駢芘嚴重超標的時候，作為一個國營企業要善盡社會責任，就應該要通報主管機關，這樣的做法才符合食安法。 |
| transcript.gazette[155].quality |
0.936 |
| transcript.gazette[156].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[156].start |
2026-08-05T11:12:46.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[156].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[156].end |
2026-08-05T11:13:12.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[156].text |
你從第一條看到最後一條，所要求的都是從源頭的原料管到成品，絕對不是你們現在的推託之詞說什麼脫膠原油不是食品，所以都不在食安法的管制範圍，這樣的說法荒謬無比，而且完全違反食安法的精神！ |
| transcript.gazette[156].quality |
0.953 |
| transcript.gazette[157].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[157].start |
2026-08-05T11:13:12.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[157].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[157].end |
2026-08-05T11:13:20.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[157].text |
這也是我相信詹長權教授為何如此痛批的原因，他說這已經是政府誠信跟治理的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[157].quality |
0.806 |
| transcript.gazette[158].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[158].start |
2026-08-05T11:13:20.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[158].end |
2026-08-05T11:13:36.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].text |
法律要從嚴或從寬解釋，的確政府把握了公權力，你有權去解釋，但是我只能說要憑良心，食安法的精神是給你們這樣子濫用的嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[158].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[159].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[159].start |
2026-08-05T11:13:36.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[159].end |
2026-08-05T11:13:44.214286+08:00 |
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更何況我們再來看一下，衛福部不要自己講過的事情立刻講過就忘記。 |
| transcript.gazette[159].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[160].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[160].start |
2026-08-05T11:13:45.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[160].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[160].end |
2026-08-05T11:14:11.250000+08:00 |
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在2024年3月11日，那時整個食藥署很正常而且勇於任事、積極開會，就蘇丹紅事件願意認真檢討，告訴大家就是原料出問題，也都需要通報，因為我們拒絕源頭不法。 |
| transcript.gazette[160].quality |
0.937 |
| transcript.gazette[161].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[161].start |
2026-08-05T11:14:11.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[161].end |
2026-08-05T11:14:48.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].text |
講得非常好，這一篇新聞稿，我給100分，非常好而且認真做事，它提醒大家食品業者如果發現原料或產品有危害衛生安全之虞，要主動通報直轄市、縣（市）主管機關，這是2024年白紙黑字由食藥署發出的新聞稿，它的效期只有兩年嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[161].quality |
0.911 |
| transcript.gazette[162].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[162].start |
2026-08-05T11:14:48.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[162].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[162].end |
2026-08-05T11:14:52.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[162].text |
遇到了台糖就會轉彎嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[162].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[163].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[163].start |
2026-08-05T11:14:52.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[163].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[163].end |
2026-08-05T11:15:00.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[163].text |
你當時這樣的一個宣示，難道你沒有告訴所有的業者嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[163].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[164].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[164].start |
2026-08-05T11:15:00.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[164].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[164].end |
2026-08-05T11:15:02.785714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[164].text |
原料有問題需不需要通報？ |
| transcript.gazette[164].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[165].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[165].start |
2026-08-05T11:15:03.071429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[165].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[165].end |
2026-08-05T11:15:04.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[165].text |
還是要通報！ |
| transcript.gazette[165].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[166].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[166].start |
2026-08-05T11:15:04.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[166].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[166].end |
2026-08-05T11:15:16.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[166].text |
結果現在為了替台糖開脫，你對於所有的法律重新解釋，又倒退回來了，好像2024年這件事情沒有發生…… |
| transcript.gazette[166].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[167].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[167].start |
2026-08-05T11:15:16.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[167].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[167].end |
2026-08-05T11:15:17.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[167].text |
委員，你誤解了…… |
| transcript.gazette[167].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[168].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[168].start |
2026-08-05T11:15:17.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[168].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[168].end |
2026-08-05T11:15:18.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[168].text |
我還沒有講完，你不要插嘴。 |
| transcript.gazette[168].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[169].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[169].start |
2026-08-05T11:15:16.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[169].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[169].end |
2026-08-05T11:15:20.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[169].text |
我們絕對是支持源頭要管理，這個沒有問題…… |
| transcript.gazette[169].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[170].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[170].start |
2026-08-05T11:15:20.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[170].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[170].end |
2026-08-05T11:15:22.333333+08:00 |
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你等我講完，我沒有請你發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[170].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[171].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[171].start |
2026-08-05T11:15:22.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[171].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[171].end |
2026-08-05T11:15:42.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[171].text |
這件事情真的讓人對於現在的衛福部非常失望，我要請行政院食安辦的許輔主任站出來，你作為衛福部上級的主管機關，許輔主任，你講。 |
| transcript.gazette[171].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[172].speaker |
許主任輔 |
| transcript.gazette[172].start |
2026-08-05T11:15:42.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[172].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[172].end |
2026-08-05T11:15:43.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[172].text |
委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[172].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[173].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[173].start |
2026-08-05T11:15:42.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[173].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[173].end |
2026-08-05T11:15:51.772727+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[173].text |
2014年食安法的精神，是不是我們要預警、要做風險管理、要從源頭管理，是或不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[173].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[174].speaker |
許主任輔 |
| transcript.gazette[174].start |
2026-08-05T11:15:51.954545+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[174].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[174].end |
2026-08-05T11:16:08.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[174].text |
原則上是這樣，但是它的樣態不一樣，我剛剛聽委員的說明，事實上，從原料來看，它有分類，假設微生物的含量過高，那就是要透過…… |
| transcript.gazette[174].quality |
0.942 |
| transcript.gazette[175].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[175].start |
2026-08-05T11:16:08.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[175].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[175].end |
2026-08-05T11:16:10.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[175].text |
所以不是所有的原料都需要通報？ |
| transcript.gazette[175].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[176].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[176].start |
2026-08-05T11:16:10.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[176].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[176].end |
2026-08-05T11:16:14.318182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[176].text |
2024年食藥署公開的宣導跟新聞稿…… |
| transcript.gazette[176].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[177].speaker |
許主任輔 |
| transcript.gazette[177].start |
2026-08-05T11:16:14.318182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[177].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[177].end |
2026-08-05T11:16:15.318182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[177].text |
要看狀況。 |
| transcript.gazette[177].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[178].speaker |
許主任輔 |
| transcript.gazette[178].start |
2026-08-05T11:16:14.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[178].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[178].end |
2026-08-05T11:16:18.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[178].text |
蘇丹紅是不得在食品裡面檢出的，它不是一個食品添加物。 |
| transcript.gazette[178].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[179].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[179].start |
2026-08-05T11:16:18.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[179].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[179].end |
2026-08-05T11:16:22.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[179].text |
所以這個新聞稿的有效範圍僅限於蘇丹紅嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[179].quality |
0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[180].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[180].start |
2026-08-05T11:16:22.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[180].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[180].end |
2026-08-05T11:16:26.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[180].text |
你的原料只有蘇丹紅這三個字？ |
| transcript.gazette[180].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[181].speaker |
許主任輔 |
| transcript.gazette[181].start |
2026-08-05T11:16:26.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[181].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[181].end |
2026-08-05T11:16:28.318182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[181].text |
不是這樣講，不應添加的都應該要這樣，如果…… |
| transcript.gazette[181].quality |
0.611 |
| transcript.gazette[182].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[182].start |
2026-08-05T11:16:28.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[182].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[182].end |
2026-08-05T11:16:30.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[182].text |
它有說不應添加嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[182].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[183].speaker |
許主任輔 |
| transcript.gazette[183].start |
2026-08-05T11:16:30.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[183].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[183].end |
2026-08-05T11:16:31.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[183].text |
它的樣態不一樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[183].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[184].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[184].start |
2026-08-05T11:16:30.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[184].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[184].end |
2026-08-05T11:16:46.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[184].text |
你有認真看待……大家看一下法律第十五條第一項第三款，是誰告訴你要添加的才算？ |
| transcript.gazette[184].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[185].speaker |
許主任輔 |
| transcript.gazette[185].start |
2026-08-05T11:16:46.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[185].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[185].end |
2026-08-05T11:16:50.277778+08:00 |
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不是這樣講，詹老師講的是有道理，但是要看樣態啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[185].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[186].speaker |
許主任輔 |
| transcript.gazette[186].start |
2026-08-05T11:16:50.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[186].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[186].end |
2026-08-05T11:17:08.277778+08:00 |
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所有生的東西，菌的數量一定是比較多，當然是從預警，你要先殺完菌才能來用，做成調理包變成下游拿來用的時候，它就不應該超標，所以樣態是會不一樣的…… |
| transcript.gazette[186].quality |
0.969 |
| transcript.gazette[187].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[187].start |
2026-08-05T11:17:08.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[187].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[187].end |
2026-08-05T11:17:14.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[187].text |
好，我就問你，所以脫膠原油的苯駢芘含有多少才合理？ |
| transcript.gazette[187].quality |
0.773 |
| transcript.gazette[188].speaker |
許主任輔 |
| transcript.gazette[188].start |
2026-08-05T11:17:14.807692+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[188].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[188].end |
2026-08-05T11:17:21+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[188].text |
全世界並沒有針對這個去訂標準，所以我們是看成品油…… |
| transcript.gazette[188].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[189].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[189].start |
2026-08-05T11:17:21.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[189].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[189].end |
2026-08-05T11:17:23.590909+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[189].text |
你的預警機制到底怎麼做？ |
| transcript.gazette[189].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[190].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[190].start |
2026-08-05T11:17:23.772727+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[190].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[190].end |
2026-08-05T11:17:34.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[190].text |
當下游、當中聯生產出來的脫膠原油苯駢芘超標這麼多，你還說因為我們沒有訂標準、不能採取任何作為，你怎麼樣去預警？ |
| transcript.gazette[190].quality |
0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[191].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[191].start |
2026-08-05T11:17:34.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[191].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[191].end |
2026-08-05T11:17:36.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[191].text |
檢測出來有意義嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[191].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[192].speaker |
許主任輔 |
| transcript.gazette[192].start |
2026-08-05T11:17:37+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[192].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[192].end |
2026-08-05T11:17:44.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[192].text |
所以要靠後續加工的製程，好比放白土、活性碳等等，下降到合格值之下，地方也要…… |
| transcript.gazette[192].quality |
0.515 |
| transcript.gazette[193].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[193].start |
2026-08-05T11:17:44.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[193].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[193].end |
2026-08-05T11:17:46.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[193].text |
你覺得這樣合理嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[193].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[194].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[194].start |
2026-08-05T11:17:48.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[194].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[194].end |
2026-08-05T11:17:56.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[194].text |
台糖都不敢用了，這一波有疑慮，然後都不需要處理，也不需要通報，你們現在還覺得這樣很合理！ |
| transcript.gazette[194].quality |
0.974 |
| transcript.gazette[195].speaker |
許主任輔 |
| transcript.gazette[195].start |
2026-08-05T11:17:56.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[195].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[195].end |
2026-08-05T11:17:57.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[195].text |
所以中央、地方都要去查。 |
| transcript.gazette[195].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[196].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[196].start |
2026-08-05T11:17:56.633333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[196].guessed |
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2026-08-05T11:18:06.214286+08:00 |
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你們如果要這樣子管理食安的話，最大的破口就是行政院跟衛福部，是你們從源頭放鬆，我就舉台糖為例…… |
| transcript.gazette[196].quality |
0.953 |
| transcript.gazette[197].speaker |
許主任輔 |
| transcript.gazette[197].start |
2026-08-05T11:18:06.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[197].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[197].end |
2026-08-05T11:18:07.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[197].text |
沒有放鬆啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[197].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[198].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[198].start |
2026-08-05T11:18:07.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[198].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[198].end |
2026-08-05T11:18:08.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[198].text |
沒有放鬆？ |
| transcript.gazette[198].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[199].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[199].start |
2026-08-05T11:18:07.611111+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[199].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[199].end |
2026-08-05T11:18:12.214286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[199].text |
我問你，台糖這一批脫膠原油為什麼需要退運？ |
| transcript.gazette[199].quality |
0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[200].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[200].start |
2026-08-05T11:18:12.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[200].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[200].end |
2026-08-05T11:18:15.227273+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[200].text |
為什麼不能再生產、製造？ |
| transcript.gazette[200].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[201].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[201].start |
2026-08-05T11:18:15.409091+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[201].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[201].end |
2026-08-05T11:18:18.192308+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[201].text |
為什麼你們要告訴大家它繼續在中聯油槽？ |
| transcript.gazette[201].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[202].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[202].start |
2026-08-05T11:18:18.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[202].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[202].end |
2026-08-05T11:18:22.318182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[202].text |
按照你們剛剛回答的邏輯，你知道犯了多大的問題嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[202].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[203].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
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2026-08-05T11:18:22.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:18:34.214286+08:00 |
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只要可以脫色、脫臭，最終成品驗不出苯駢芘就好，管你原料有多糟糕，技術可以精煉到這樣就好了，是這樣嗎？ |
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0.932 |
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許主任輔 |
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2026-08-05T11:18:34.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:18:38.333333+08:00 |
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不是這樣講，我們要管理並確保食安，進來的東西…… |
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0.6 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-08-05T11:18:38.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:18:40.300000+08:00 |
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所以大家從原料管理啊！ |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-08-05T11:18:40.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:18:42.333333+08:00 |
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怎麼會說原料不需要管理呢？ |
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許主任輔 |
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2026-08-05T11:18:42.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:18:55.433333+08:00 |
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這一批原料自始至終都在中聯裡面，它不是台糖的物品，所以台糖派人去中聯看、去送驗回來後，知道這一批沒合格的不能收，這件事情是這樣子。 |
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0.881 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-08-05T11:18:55.566667+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:19:16.214286+08:00 |
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許輔主任，我提醒你，你現在是食安辦的主任，你不是台糖的發言人，作為一個食安辦的主任，我真的希望你有詹長權教授的勇氣跟骨氣，這樣才能做好食安的把關，而不是遇到事情的時候，你們都變成是護航團，沒有必要…… |
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0.899 |
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許主任輔 |
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2026-08-05T11:19:16.214286+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:19:17.214286+08:00 |
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我不是在護航，要看樣態。 |
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0.1 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-08-05T11:19:16.750000+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:19:30.333333+08:00 |
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我今天也沒有說台糖有非常非常的不對，但我認為它做錯一件事情就是自掃門前雪，今天發現這麼重大的瑕疵，跟主管機關講一聲會怎樣嗎？ |
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0.862 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-08-05T11:19:30.750000+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:19:34.333333+08:00 |
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不就阻止了一場重大食安事件的發生嗎？ |
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0.941 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-08-05T11:19:34.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:19:42.166667+08:00 |
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結果你們現在不是，全部卯起來要告訴大家說台糖沒有錯、台糖好棒棒，是棒在哪裡啦！ |
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0.914 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-08-05T11:19:45.166667+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:19:53.357143+08:00 |
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它自掃門前雪，沒有發揮它該有的社會責任，連一個吹哨者都不如，在這一點上面不應該被檢討嗎？ |
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0.875 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-08-05T11:19:53.642857+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:19:58.277778+08:00 |
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我就問你，下一次有類似這樣的狀況，你認為他應不應該通報？ |
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0.92 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-08-05T11:20:00.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:20:00.928571+08:00 |
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要或不要？ |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-08-05T11:20:01.071429+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:20:04.318182+08:00 |
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你作為食安辦的主任應該要講真話，要不要通報？ |
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0.8 |
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許主任輔 |
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2026-08-05T11:20:06.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:20:08.500000+08:00 |
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要看樣態、依法規來確認…… |
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0.8 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-08-05T11:20:10.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:20:18.166667+08:00 |
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我就直接問你，下一次如果脫膠原油像這樣子出現苯駢芘超標7倍，需不需要通報？ |
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0.727 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-08-05T11:20:20.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:20:22.166667+08:00 |
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需不需要通報？ |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-08-05T11:20:22.653846+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:20:24.346154+08:00 |
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台糖有沒有通報的責任跟義務？ |
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0.923 |
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許主任輔 |
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2026-08-05T11:20:24.346154+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:20:25.346154+08:00 |
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那是不是台糖沒有……應該是…… |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-08-05T11:20:24.785714+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:20:26.214286+08:00 |
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那是他的原料喔！ |
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0.857 |
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許主任輔 |
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2026-08-05T11:20:26.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:20:34.166667+08:00 |
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應該不是台糖的……是中聯的原料，那個在他的槽裡面，我要說明的是這樣，然後還要看樣態的。 |
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0.892 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-08-05T11:20:34.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:20:36.357143+08:00 |
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好，我真的不用問你們，你們太令人失望了。 |
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0.824 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-08-05T11:20:38.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:21:03.700000+08:00 |
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如果我們的食安要把關，一定是從源頭把關，一定是按照你們原來的這份新聞稿講的，原料、半成品還有成品，你發現有問題的時候，都應該要主動通報，這樣層層把關，互相去監督，互相去通報，你才能真正為食安把關。 |
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0.943 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-08-05T11:21:03.900000+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:21:23.500000+08:00 |
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但是我真的非常痛心，今天我們的公部門不站在捍衛人民食安的最高標準，我要講的是，要以最高標準來執法，講一些似是而非的道理，然後再硬拗，這樣子我們的食安怎麼從源頭把關？ |
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0.947 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-08-05T11:21:24.500000+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:21:31.833333+08:00 |
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真的讓人家看了非常、非常的失望，真理不敢講，我真的覺得你們通通都可以從現在的位置下來了。 |
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0.85 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-08-05T11:21:31.966667+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:21:55.500000+08:00 |
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我們希望詹長權教授可以來主導我們的食安，我們現在掌理食安的人需要的是一個有道德勇氣，在食安把關上面真的是站在人民這一邊的，我們需要這樣的一個專家來帶領我們的食安，如果只是為了位置而存在的話，我真的覺得我們臺灣真的不需要。 |
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0.952 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-08-05T11:21:55.666667+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:21:56.700000+08:00 |
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好，我的質詢到這邊結束。 |
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0.7 |
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石部長崇良 |
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2026-08-05T11:21:57.300000+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:22:13.833333+08:00 |
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我跟委員最後說明一句，我們的調查報告寫得很清楚，必須按照原料的品質做製程調整，所以需要監督的是，地方政府要去監督好他的製程過程是不是符合HACCP的標準。 |
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0.944 |
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主席 |
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2026-08-05T11:22:14.333333+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-08-05T11:22:17.190476+08:00 |
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謝謝王育敏委員的質詢。 |
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0.2 |
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主席 |
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2026-08-05T11:22:17.490476+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-08-05T11:22:20.347619+08:00 |
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現在請邱慧洳委員質詢。 |
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0 |