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張雅琳 @ 第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第28次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:09,000 | 謝謝主席 我們有請檢察司司長 |
| 00:00:09,000 | 00:00:11,000 | 好 有請檢察司司長 |
| 00:00:11,000 | 00:00:15,000 | 其實我本來是沒有要問你的啦 |
| 00:00:15,000 | 00:00:17,000 | 只是我剛剛下面聽了說 我真的聽的有點無煞煞 |
| 00:00:17,000 | 00:00:19,000 | 我希望你可以來做多一點說明啦 |
| 00:00:19,000 | 00:00:21,000 | 因為剛剛從吳宗憲委員的資訊裡面 |
| 00:00:21,000 | 00:00:26,000 | 聽起來好像是有特別喜好 針對性辦案的問題啦 |
| 00:00:27,000 | 00:00:31,000 | 那我想要針對程序上面來請司長再多做說明 |
| 00:00:31,000 | 00:00:34,000 | 就是說 由不得你這件事情呢 |
| 00:00:34,000 | 00:00:36,000 | 它是涉及了身為的部分嘛 對不對 |
| 00:00:36,000 | 00:00:39,000 | 那其實我們現在 因為包含在今年 |
| 00:00:39,000 | 00:00:41,000 | 其實我收到了很多展翅基金會這邊 |
| 00:00:41,000 | 00:00:43,000 | 告訴我的一些兒少性影像 |
| 00:00:43,000 | 00:00:47,000 | 被用AI身為的這個技術來去操作 |
| 00:00:47,000 | 00:00:49,000 | 那使得一些部分的兒少受害 |
| 00:00:49,000 | 00:00:50,000 | 那我想問一下喔 |
| 00:00:50,000 | 00:00:52,000 | 當我們遇到這樣子的一個案件的時候 |
| 00:00:52,000 | 00:00:54,000 | 我們的偵查程序跟 |
| 00:00:54,000 | 00:00:56,000 | 兒少我說兒少的程序喔 |
| 00:00:56,000 | 00:00:59,000 | 跟這個由不得你的程序 有不一樣嗎 |
| 00:00:59,000 | 00:01:00,000 | 其實都是一樣的 |
| 00:01:00,000 | 00:01:04,000 | 只要有發現這樣子可能性身為的影片的話 |
| 00:01:04,000 | 00:01:07,000 | 那警方其實他們就可以依照他們的職權 |
| 00:01:07,000 | 00:01:09,000 | 開始來進行相關的調查 |
| 00:01:09,000 | 00:01:12,000 | 那如果有必要的話警察就是會報請檢察官來指揮偵辦 |
| 00:01:12,000 | 00:01:15,000 | 對 所以就是說當今天有人可能 |
| 00:01:15,000 | 00:01:16,000 | 像我們可以檢舉嘛 |
| 00:01:16,000 | 00:01:18,000 | 可能兒少的他也可以自己檢舉 |
| 00:01:18,000 | 00:01:19,000 | 別人幫他檢舉 |
| 00:01:19,000 | 00:01:21,000 | 只要你們收到了這樣子的舉報 |
| 00:01:21,000 | 00:01:26,000 | 通報啦 通報的話就會開始啟動一系列的SOP嘛 |
| 00:01:26,000 | 00:01:27,000 | 對不對 |
| 00:01:27,000 | 00:01:30,000 | 因為剛剛吳宗憲委員一直在強調就是說 |
| 00:01:30,000 | 00:01:32,000 | 希望司長您不要改變你的SOP |
| 00:01:32,000 | 00:01:34,000 | 要有封股 |
| 00:01:34,000 | 00:01:35,000 | 那我想確認一下 |
| 00:01:35,000 | 00:01:38,000 | 所以針對SOP的部分是完全跟一致的沒有改變 |
| 00:01:38,000 | 00:01:39,000 | 對嗎 |
| 00:01:39,000 | 00:01:41,000 | 其實所有的案件的偵辦程序都是一致的 |
| 00:01:41,000 | 00:01:43,000 | 我相信檢察官跟警方都是 |
| 00:01:43,000 | 00:01:45,000 | 秉持著證據來做辦案的 |
| 00:01:45,000 | 00:01:47,000 | 好 那我想再請教一下 |
| 00:01:47,000 | 00:01:50,000 | 就是說我們針對於這一些 |
| 00:01:50,000 | 00:01:55,000 | 剛剛講的那些那個食安法的這些認定上面 |
| 00:01:55,000 | 00:01:57,000 | 因為現在看起來檢察官 |
| 00:01:57,000 | 00:02:02,000 | 就是說吳宗憲委員以及這個陳鴻達檢察官 |
| 00:02:02,000 | 00:02:05,000 | 他們對於這個法律的解釋上面有不同的意見 |
| 00:02:05,000 | 00:02:06,000 | 那我想問一下 |
| 00:02:06,000 | 00:02:08,000 | 在你們認識這麼多檢察官 |
| 00:02:08,000 | 00:02:12,000 | 大家對每一個法律的解釋都是完全一致的嗎 |
| 00:02:12,000 | 00:02:14,000 | 我想法律的解釋空間 |
| 00:02:14,000 | 00:02:17,000 | 有時候因而他的法律條文可能會 |
| 00:02:17,000 | 00:02:20,000 | 讓大家在解讀上面可能會有不一樣 |
| 00:02:20,000 | 00:02:23,000 | 那我們都尊重每一個人對法律的解釋的一個空間 |
| 00:02:23,000 | 00:02:26,000 | 那但是這個部分其實主要還是要看主管機關 |
| 00:02:26,000 | 00:02:28,000 | 他對於這個法律是怎麼解釋的 |
| 00:02:28,000 | 00:02:30,000 | 對 就是這個東西到底是 |
| 00:02:30,000 | 00:02:34,000 | 因為產品跟原料跟食品是完全不一樣的 |
| 00:02:34,000 | 00:02:38,000 | 所以我想這個當然是有討論跟釐清的空間 |
| 00:02:38,000 | 00:02:41,000 | 但是我這邊還是希望來幫檢察官說話 |
| 00:02:41,000 | 00:02:43,000 | 就是說即便我們委員們 |
| 00:02:43,000 | 00:02:45,000 | 人民們各自有各自的喜好 |
| 00:02:45,000 | 00:02:46,000 | 各自的觀點 |
| 00:02:46,000 | 00:02:50,000 | 但是因為最終我們應該還是不介入司法的檢調的調查嘛 |
| 00:02:50,000 | 00:02:51,000 | 對吧 是 |
| 00:02:51,000 | 00:02:54,000 | 我們應該還是要尊重我們檢察官自己的判斷 |
| 00:02:54,000 | 00:02:56,000 | 是 自己的程序上面 |
| 00:02:56,000 | 00:02:58,000 | 只要程序正義 程序符合沒有問題 |
| 00:02:58,000 | 00:03:00,000 | 那我們就應該要尊重才對 |
| 00:03:00,000 | 00:03:03,000 | 而不是在這邊發表個人的言論啦 |
| 00:03:03,000 | 00:03:04,000 | 是 謝謝委員 好 謝謝 |
| 00:03:04,000 | 00:03:07,000 | 那我接下來還是要回來請我們的這個司法院 |
| 00:03:07,000 | 00:03:08,000 | 秘書長 |
| 00:03:09,000 | 00:03:10,000 | 好 請告秘書長 |
| 00:03:14,000 | 00:03:15,000 | 好 秘書長你好 |
| 00:03:15,000 | 00:03:18,000 | 就是說其實我之前也是有去看一下我們書記官 |
| 00:03:18,000 | 00:03:21,000 | 目前的這個工作環境 |
| 00:03:21,000 | 00:03:22,000 | 也安排了一個考察 |
| 00:03:22,000 | 00:03:26,000 | 那我想這個這個是我們從很多的新聞上面看到 |
| 00:03:26,000 | 00:03:28,000 | 我們書記官的一個工作困境上面 |
| 00:03:28,000 | 00:03:29,000 | 工作量非常非常的大 |
| 00:03:29,000 | 00:03:33,000 | 電話接不完 然後薪資缺乏競爭力質疑 |
| 00:03:33,000 | 00:03:35,000 | 誘因不足 證王率也非常非常高 |
| 00:03:35,000 | 00:03:39,000 | 那這當然也反映在了我們的離職率 |
| 00:03:39,000 | 00:03:43,000 | 好 但是我看了一下新北跟台北地院 |
| 00:03:43,000 | 00:03:47,000 | 我們112年跟113年都算是勉強 |
| 00:03:47,000 | 00:03:49,000 | 維持差不多的水準 |
| 00:03:49,000 | 00:03:54,000 | 但是在114年整個飆高了都是兩倍 |
| 00:03:54,000 | 00:03:55,000 | 所以是非常的多 |
| 00:03:55,000 | 00:03:57,000 | 那原因呢 我在揣測 |
| 00:03:57,000 | 00:03:59,000 | 因為我看到一些相關的新聞報導 |
| 00:03:59,000 | 00:04:02,000 | 就是說 大家的這個工作量 |
| 00:04:02,000 | 00:04:05,000 | 因為詐騙案件的頻傳 |
| 00:04:05,000 | 00:04:07,000 | 所以造成大家的工作量大增 |
| 00:04:07,000 | 00:04:09,000 | 那不僅是離職率 |
| 00:04:09,000 | 00:04:13,000 | 包含我們的報到率都非常的低 |
| 00:04:13,000 | 00:04:14,000 | 那我想要問一下就是說 |
| 00:04:14,000 | 00:04:16,000 | 我們現在看到了司法院呢 |
| 00:04:16,000 | 00:04:19,000 | 是要來去調整我們的這個說法的部分 |
| 00:04:19,000 | 00:04:21,000 | 讓三等書記官的職務本身 |
| 00:04:21,000 | 00:04:24,000 | 可以列到鑑任第六職等 |
| 00:04:24,000 | 00:04:27,000 | 那具備鑑任任用資格的限職人員呢 |
| 00:04:27,000 | 00:04:30,000 | 未來也不一定要先升到這個二等書記官 |
| 00:04:30,000 | 00:04:33,000 | 也可以繼續擔任三等書記官或是改任 |
| 00:04:33,000 | 00:04:35,000 | 改派這個鑑任第六職等等等的 |
| 00:04:35,000 | 00:04:37,000 | 但我想還是有一個根本的問題 |
| 00:04:37,000 | 00:04:39,000 | 想要來跟秘書長來討論 |
| 00:04:39,000 | 00:04:41,000 | 因為我想今天這個修法 |
| 00:04:41,000 | 00:04:43,000 | 我當然是給予肯定也支持 |
| 00:04:43,000 | 00:04:45,000 | 但我們還是要來嚴肅的面對 |
| 00:04:45,000 | 00:04:47,000 | 真正的原因到底是什麼 |
| 00:04:47,000 | 00:04:50,000 | 到底能不能讓新人進得來 |
| 00:04:50,000 | 00:04:52,000 | 原來的人可以留下來 |
| 00:04:52,000 | 00:04:53,000 | 所以我想先確認喔 |
| 00:04:53,000 | 00:04:56,000 | 我們現在提出的一些解決辦法 |
| 00:04:56,000 | 00:05:00,000 | 這個當時都有去做一些研究嗎 |
| 00:05:00,000 | 00:05:04,000 | 就是如何增加他們留下來的意願 |
| 00:05:04,000 | 00:05:08,000 | 為了其實人員的增加 |
| 00:05:08,000 | 00:05:10,000 | 是一個方法之一 |
| 00:05:10,000 | 00:05:12,000 | 工作環境的改善 |
| 00:05:12,000 | 00:05:14,000 | 也是一個很重要的方法 |
| 00:05:14,000 | 00:05:18,000 | 所以為了我們都很了解書記官的工作內容 |
| 00:05:18,000 | 00:05:20,000 | 可是我們不了解每一個細節 |
| 00:05:20,000 | 00:05:22,000 | 關於這個細節 |
| 00:05:22,000 | 00:05:24,000 | 我自己親自到高院 |
| 00:05:24,000 | 00:05:27,000 | 我們最繁忙的法院的書記官 |
| 00:05:27,000 | 00:05:31,000 | 請來逐我們從收案開始到送卷 |
| 00:05:31,000 | 00:05:34,000 | 逐一步一步的去討論 |
| 00:05:34,000 | 00:05:37,000 | 哪邊是可以檢測 |
| 00:05:37,000 | 00:05:40,000 | 哪邊可以用數位化來協助 |
| 00:05:40,000 | 00:05:42,000 | 哪邊可以用人員來協助 |
| 00:05:42,000 | 00:05:45,000 | 我們是全部走完一套的 |
| 00:05:45,000 | 00:05:48,000 | 所以這個是你們走完一套的流程之後 |
| 00:05:48,000 | 00:05:50,000 | 你們就建議會認為說 |
| 00:05:50,000 | 00:05:53,000 | 因為第一線的書記官認為電話很多 |
| 00:05:53,000 | 00:05:55,000 | 所以你們才要見這個全國 |
| 00:05:55,000 | 00:05:57,000 | 其實跟委員報告 |
| 00:05:58,000 | 00:06:00,000 | 這個所謂這個電話中心 |
| 00:06:00,000 | 00:06:02,000 | 是我們從很久很久以來 |
| 00:06:02,000 | 00:06:04,000 | 一直在討論這個 |
| 00:06:04,000 | 00:06:06,000 | 我相信所有書記官都會告訴委員 |
| 00:06:06,000 | 00:06:08,000 | 任何的電話對他們 |
| 00:06:08,000 | 00:06:11,000 | 都是一個很重的負擔 |
| 00:06:11,000 | 00:06:13,000 | 而且是工作上的騷擾 |
| 00:06:13,000 | 00:06:16,000 | 所以這個部分如果能夠剔除的話 |
| 00:06:16,000 | 00:06:20,000 | 相信書記官有辦法專心工作 |
| 00:06:20,000 | 00:06:21,000 | 這個是最重要的 |
| 00:06:21,000 | 00:06:23,000 | 好的我想既然這樣聽起來 |
| 00:06:23,000 | 00:06:25,000 | 對書記官非常有幫助的話 |
| 00:06:25,000 | 00:06:27,000 | 具體來說什麼時候要成立 |
| 00:06:27,000 | 00:06:29,000 | 有多少的比例你們現在判斷 |
| 00:06:29,000 | 00:06:30,000 | 應該有測試嘛對不對 |
| 00:06:30,000 | 00:06:33,000 | 有多少的比例是電話中心可以直接處理掉 |
| 00:06:33,000 | 00:06:35,000 | 不然如果我們沒有做這個測試 |
| 00:06:35,000 | 00:06:37,000 | 我們設了這個電話中心 |
| 00:06:37,000 | 00:06:39,000 | 還是有很多涉及個資或是很多問題 |
| 00:06:39,000 | 00:06:41,000 | 還是要回到書記官本身的話 |
| 00:06:41,000 | 00:06:43,000 | 那根本的問題就沒有解決 |
| 00:06:43,000 | 00:06:45,000 | 所以我想請牧師長具體的回答 |
| 00:06:45,000 | 00:06:47,000 | 我們預計什麼時候會成立 |
| 00:06:47,000 | 00:06:48,000 | 有多少比例可以 |
| 00:06:48,000 | 00:06:50,000 | 先講我們希望明年1月就能夠成立 |
| 00:06:50,000 | 00:06:53,000 | 我們希望今年12月就開始測試 |
| 00:06:53,000 | 00:06:54,000 | 其實跟委員報告 |
| 00:06:54,000 | 00:06:56,000 | 我們從今年1月我們司法行政廳 |
| 00:06:56,000 | 00:07:01,000 | 就蒐集所有書記官所被詢問的問題 |
| 00:07:01,000 | 00:07:04,000 | 我們蒐集了上千個問題 |
| 00:07:04,000 | 00:07:07,000 | 我們現在這些問題怎麼去給他處理 |
| 00:07:07,000 | 00:07:11,000 | 然後由我們將來的電話中心來統一回答 |
| 00:07:11,000 | 00:07:14,000 | 我要跟委員報告一個最重要的是 |
| 00:07:14,000 | 00:07:17,000 | 書記官所回答的絕對只是程序問題 |
| 00:07:17,000 | 00:07:20,000 | 不可能回答任何事實問題 |
| 00:07:20,000 | 00:07:24,000 | 所以程序問題其實在我們的辦案進行部上 |
| 00:07:24,000 | 00:07:26,000 | 是可以看到的 |
| 00:07:26,000 | 00:07:28,000 | 所以辦案進行部的公開 |
| 00:07:28,000 | 00:07:32,000 | 老實說法治先進的國家是全部公開的 |
| 00:07:32,000 | 00:07:33,000 | 可是我們比較保守 |
| 00:07:33,000 | 00:07:35,000 | 我們才公開3筆而已 |
| 00:07:35,000 | 00:07:37,000 | 我們希望其實3筆就夠用了 |
| 00:07:37,000 | 00:07:41,000 | 我們將來的這個電話中心 |
| 00:07:41,000 | 00:07:46,000 | 只要看到我們給他老實那個問題化 |
| 00:07:46,000 | 00:07:50,000 | 幾乎書記官的工作全部可以保守 |
| 00:07:50,000 | 00:07:53,000 | 好 所以你們現在的看法 |
| 00:07:53,000 | 00:07:56,000 | 估計是說有非常高的比例 |
| 00:07:56,000 | 00:07:58,000 | 是可以透過電話中心 |
| 00:07:58,000 | 00:08:01,000 | 那我希望我們在12月測試的時候 |
| 00:08:01,000 | 00:08:03,000 | 要給我一份報告 |
| 00:08:03,000 | 00:08:08,000 | 讓我知道說到底有多少的這一個電話 |
| 00:08:08,000 | 00:08:11,000 | 是真的轉到了電話中心去處理 |
| 00:08:11,000 | 00:08:12,000 | 而不是由書記官 |
| 00:08:12,000 | 00:08:13,000 | 所以這個部分 |
| 00:08:13,000 | 00:08:15,000 | 我想這也是一個非常重要的KPI |
| 00:08:15,000 | 00:08:16,000 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:08:16,000 | 00:08:17,000 | 我們一開始辦的時候 |
| 00:08:17,000 | 00:08:21,000 | 我們就不讓電話進書記官了 |
| 00:08:21,000 | 00:08:22,000 | 我知道我知道 |
| 00:08:22,000 | 00:08:23,000 | 但是問題是說有多少 |
| 00:08:23,000 | 00:08:25,000 | 最後還是要轉到書記官 |
| 00:08:25,000 | 00:08:29,000 | 所以我現在我想這是一個很重要的評估的KPI |
| 00:08:29,000 | 00:08:30,000 | 所以是不是第一個 |
| 00:08:30,000 | 00:08:31,000 | 現在可以先提供給我們一個 |
| 00:08:31,000 | 00:08:34,000 | 你們如何評估電話中心成效的KPI |
| 00:08:34,000 | 00:08:36,000 | 第二個是說當你們測試完的時候 |
| 00:08:36,000 | 00:08:38,000 | 12月底測試完了 |
| 00:08:38,000 | 00:08:39,000 | 給我一份報告 |
| 00:08:39,000 | 00:08:40,000 | 是告訴我們有多少東西 |
| 00:08:40,000 | 00:08:42,000 | 真的是電話中心可以解決 |
| 00:08:42,000 | 00:08:43,000 | 好 那我想就是說 |
| 00:08:43,000 | 00:08:44,000 | 那報告委員 |
| 00:08:44,000 | 00:08:46,000 | 那明年的預算一定要幫我們支持 |
| 00:08:46,000 | 00:08:47,000 | 我們一定是支持 |
| 00:08:47,000 | 00:08:48,000 | 百分之百支持 |
| 00:08:48,000 | 00:08:49,000 | 如果可以如期審查的話 |
| 00:08:49,000 | 00:08:51,000 | 而且如果有成效的話 |
| 00:08:51,000 | 00:08:52,000 | 非常具體的話 |
| 00:08:52,000 | 00:08:53,000 | 我們一定是百分之百支持 |
| 00:08:53,000 | 00:08:54,000 | 非常謝謝 |
| 00:08:54,000 | 00:08:55,000 | 那我想就是說 |
| 00:08:55,000 | 00:08:56,000 | 那我們現在呢 |
| 00:08:56,000 | 00:08:58,000 | 我們現在有看到 |
| 00:08:58,000 | 00:09:00,000 | 司法院希望增加書記官員額 |
| 00:09:00,000 | 00:09:02,000 | 要達到291人 |
| 00:09:02,000 | 00:09:05,000 | 但是我想還是要解決報道率的問題 |
| 00:09:05,000 | 00:09:06,000 | 如果沒有解決報道率 |
| 00:09:06,000 | 00:09:08,000 | 真額也是沒有意義 |
| 00:09:08,000 | 00:09:09,000 | 所以我想問的就是說 |
| 00:09:09,000 | 00:09:11,000 | 我們要如何解決這個報道率的問題呢 |
| 00:09:12,000 | 00:09:13,000 | 第一個 |
| 00:09:13,000 | 00:09:14,000 | 工作環境一定要改善 |
| 00:09:14,000 | 00:09:17,000 | 我們現在因為人員的限制 |
| 00:09:17,000 | 00:09:18,000 | 我們現在 |
| 00:09:18,000 | 00:09:20,000 | 但是現在輿論上面都是說快逃啊 |
| 00:09:20,000 | 00:09:22,000 | 你要怎麼讓大家有感到說 |
| 00:09:22,000 | 00:09:23,000 | 環境真的有改善呢 |
| 00:09:23,000 | 00:09:24,000 | 一定要把 |
| 00:09:24,000 | 00:09:25,000 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:09:25,000 | 00:09:27,000 | 書記官現在的工作 |
| 00:09:27,000 | 00:09:29,000 | 幾乎是十年前的兩倍 |
| 00:09:29,000 | 00:09:30,000 | 對啊同意 |
| 00:09:30,000 | 00:09:32,000 | 在這兩倍工作裡面 |
| 00:09:32,000 | 00:09:34,000 | 我們要去發掘哪些工作 |
| 00:09:34,000 | 00:09:38,000 | 根本不是他在訴訟法上必須要做的 |
| 00:09:38,000 | 00:09:40,000 | 我們要把這些工作 |
| 00:09:40,000 | 00:09:41,000 | 委外 |
| 00:09:41,000 | 00:09:43,000 | 因為我們沒有員額了 |
| 00:09:43,000 | 00:09:45,000 | 我們只能委外來處理 |
| 00:09:45,000 | 00:09:47,000 | 但是你現在要增加員額啊 |
| 00:09:47,000 | 00:09:48,000 | 我們當然希望增加員額 |
| 00:09:48,000 | 00:09:50,000 | 剛剛跟委員報告過 |
| 00:09:50,000 | 00:09:51,000 | 我的問題就在於 |
| 00:09:51,000 | 00:09:52,000 | 沒有 秘書長我的問題在於就是說 |
| 00:09:52,000 | 00:09:54,000 | 因為你現在增加員額 |
| 00:09:54,000 | 00:09:56,000 | 那如果我們現在是有很多人願意來 |
| 00:09:56,000 | 00:09:58,000 | 那你增加員額當然沒有問題 |
| 00:09:58,000 | 00:10:00,000 | 但是問題是現在就是報道率很低嘛 |
| 00:10:00,000 | 00:10:01,000 | 所以問題就在於說 |
| 00:10:01,000 | 00:10:04,000 | 我們要如何讓這些有志之士 |
| 00:10:04,000 | 00:10:07,000 | 已經都來考試的人願意來報到嘛 |
| 00:10:07,000 | 00:10:09,000 | 要讓他真實的感覺到 |
| 00:10:09,000 | 00:10:11,000 | 環境有變好他才願意來嘛 |
| 00:10:11,000 | 00:10:13,000 | 所以現在就問你的問題就是 |
| 00:10:13,000 | 00:10:15,000 | 如何讓他們真實的感受到 |
| 00:10:15,000 | 00:10:17,000 | 你做了哪些事情這樣子 |
| 00:10:17,000 | 00:10:18,000 | 其實我們從今年1月 |
| 00:10:18,000 | 00:10:20,000 | 尤其幾個監控法院 |
| 00:10:20,000 | 00:10:23,000 | 就開始把書記官的事務工作切出去 |
| 00:10:23,000 | 00:10:25,000 | 他們已經有感了 |
| 00:10:25,000 | 00:10:27,000 | 在職的書記官是有感的 |
| 00:10:27,000 | 00:10:29,000 | 我們希望透過這種有感 |
| 00:10:29,000 | 00:10:32,000 | 讓外面要進來的書記官知道 |
| 00:10:32,000 | 00:10:35,000 | 我的工作環境是改變了 |
| 00:10:35,000 | 00:10:36,000 | 這個是最重要的 |
| 00:10:36,000 | 00:10:38,000 | 他們才願意來報到 |
| 00:10:38,000 | 00:10:40,000 | 好 那我也希望就是說 |
| 00:10:40,000 | 00:10:41,000 | 因為接下來的這個報道率 |
| 00:10:41,000 | 00:10:43,000 | 也可以提供給我們一份報告 |
| 00:10:43,000 | 00:10:45,000 | 看看你所說的這些東西 |
| 00:10:45,000 | 00:10:47,000 | 是不是真的有感好不好 |
| 00:10:47,000 | 00:10:49,000 | 好 那接下來我們請這個 |
| 00:10:49,000 | 00:10:51,000 | 我們還是要繼續請秘書長 |
| 00:10:51,000 | 00:10:52,000 | 我要問一下有關於法警 |
| 00:10:52,000 | 00:10:54,000 | 跟這次的修法的問題 |
| 00:10:54,000 | 00:10:56,000 | 就是說我們現在這次的修法 |
| 00:10:56,000 | 00:11:00,000 | 提高的是法警長跟副法警長 |
| 00:11:00,000 | 00:11:02,000 | 可是我們一般法警的職等 |
| 00:11:02,000 | 00:11:05,000 | 還是維持在委任的第三職等 |
| 00:11:05,000 | 00:11:06,000 | 跟到第五職等 |
| 00:11:06,000 | 00:11:09,000 | 所以基層法警的職涯天花板 |
| 00:11:09,000 | 00:11:10,000 | 是沒有改變的 |
| 00:11:10,000 | 00:11:12,000 | 可是其實法警是透過司法特稿 |
| 00:11:12,000 | 00:11:14,000 | 四等禁用的 |
| 00:11:14,000 | 00:11:16,000 | 那這個四等考試決定的 |
| 00:11:16,000 | 00:11:18,000 | 應該只是初任資格 |
| 00:11:18,000 | 00:11:20,000 | 而不是直接變成職涯的天花板 |
| 00:11:20,000 | 00:11:22,000 | 再加上過去的質詢嘛 |
| 00:11:22,000 | 00:11:24,000 | 我們在講法院的安全 |
| 00:11:24,000 | 00:11:27,000 | 之前的一些法院的打人攻擊事件 |
| 00:11:27,000 | 00:11:28,000 | 我們都希望可以去強化 |
| 00:11:28,000 | 00:11:31,000 | 而且明確化法警的一些工作內容 |
| 00:11:31,000 | 00:11:34,000 | 那也就代表是說法警的工作 |
| 00:11:34,000 | 00:11:35,000 | 已經不是只是程序 |
| 00:11:35,000 | 00:11:37,000 | 還有包含安全秩序等等的 |
| 00:11:37,000 | 00:11:40,000 | 所以既然他的工作量增加 |
| 00:11:40,000 | 00:11:41,000 | 那我就想要請教 |
| 00:11:41,000 | 00:11:42,000 | 為什麼我們自己司法院 |
| 00:11:42,000 | 00:11:46,000 | 提出的修法裡面沒有去調整呢 |
| 00:11:46,000 | 00:11:49,000 | 可是卻對其他委員的這個版本呢 |
| 00:11:49,000 | 00:11:51,000 | 說禁表尊重 |
| 00:11:51,000 | 00:11:53,000 | 那到底司法院的態度到底是什麼 |
| 00:11:53,000 | 00:11:56,000 | 跟委員剛我已經跟陳委員報告過 |
| 00:11:56,000 | 00:11:58,000 | 我們當初在跟全序部協商的時候 |
| 00:11:58,000 | 00:12:00,000 | 因為牽涉到考試職等 |
| 00:12:00,000 | 00:12:02,000 | 老實說我們是尊重全序部 |
| 00:12:02,000 | 00:12:04,000 | 所以我們暫時是想說 |
| 00:12:04,000 | 00:12:08,000 | 我們先讓這個法監長 副法監長 |
| 00:12:08,000 | 00:12:12,000 | 這種真的是一個指揮監督的先申職等 |
| 00:12:12,000 | 00:12:13,000 | 這個也是我們要做的 |
| 00:12:13,000 | 00:12:16,000 | 很感謝各位委員如果願意支持 |
| 00:12:16,000 | 00:12:19,000 | 真的我們當初的跟委員我承認 |
| 00:12:19,000 | 00:12:22,000 | 當初我們設想就是因為什麼考試職等 |
| 00:12:22,000 | 00:12:24,000 | 就被限制住了 |
| 00:12:24,000 | 00:12:27,000 | 所以沒有說我們像陳委員所說的 |
| 00:12:27,000 | 00:12:29,000 | 就是當然要改變 |
| 00:12:29,000 | 00:12:30,000 | 我當時真的沒有這樣想 |
| 00:12:30,000 | 00:12:34,000 | 可是如果委員給我們這個力量 |
| 00:12:34,000 | 00:12:35,000 | 我們當然希望改變 |
| 00:12:35,000 | 00:12:38,000 | 我希望因為司法院我們自己看到了 |
| 00:12:38,000 | 00:12:39,000 | 很多實務上面的一些問題 |
| 00:12:39,000 | 00:12:41,000 | 那其實委員在過去這半年來 |
| 00:12:41,000 | 00:12:43,000 | 也有給很多的提醒跟建議 |
| 00:12:43,000 | 00:12:45,000 | 以及我想不分黨派 |
| 00:12:45,000 | 00:12:48,000 | 大家對於法警的一些薪資福利待遇等等 |
| 00:12:48,000 | 00:12:50,000 | 各種我們都是積極的來爭取 |
| 00:12:50,000 | 00:12:53,000 | 那我希望司法院也應該要考量到 |
| 00:12:53,000 | 00:12:56,000 | 我們自己員工在工作環境的處境 |
| 00:12:56,000 | 00:12:58,000 | 而不是等到大家都不來的時候呢 |
| 00:12:58,000 | 00:13:00,000 | 我們才來改善 |
| 00:13:00,000 | 00:13:01,000 | 真的就有點太晚了 |
| 00:13:01,000 | 00:13:02,000 | 所以我希望就是說 |
| 00:13:02,000 | 00:13:05,000 | 司法院在這一點上面也一定要來配合 |
| 00:13:05,000 | 00:13:07,000 | 一定要來去同步的調整好不好 |
| 00:13:07,000 | 00:13:08,000 | 好 謝謝 |