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陳昭姿 @ 第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第28次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:01,000 | 席經發言 |
| 00:00:06,000 | 00:00:07,000 | 謝謝主席 |
| 00:00:07,000 | 00:00:09,000 | 有請司法院高秘書長 |
| 00:00:09,000 | 00:00:10,600 | 仁總的副人事長 |
| 00:00:10,600 | 00:00:13,600 | 群序部次長跟法務部的代表 |
| 00:00:13,600 | 00:00:14,000 | 好 |
| 00:00:14,000 | 00:00:14,600 | 是司長 |
| 00:00:14,600 | 00:00:18,200 | 好 麻煩這幾位長官可以到備詢台 |
| 00:00:18,200 | 00:00:19,000 | 謝謝 |
| 00:00:20,800 | 00:00:21,400 | 好 |
| 00:00:21,800 | 00:00:24,000 | 那四位首長早安 |
| 00:00:24,000 | 00:00:27,000 | 我麻煩你就跟我一起先來看看這幾張 |
| 00:00:27,000 | 00:00:29,600 | 這幾年來地院的案件量 |
| 00:00:29,600 | 00:00:34,000 | 過去11年地方法院民事案件的部分在左邊 |
| 00:00:34,000 | 00:00:37,200 | 新收案件暴增46% |
| 00:00:37,200 | 00:00:41,000 | 未結件數暴增154% |
| 00:00:41,200 | 00:00:43,400 | 那至於刑事案件右邊的部分 |
| 00:00:43,400 | 00:00:47,200 | 未結件的數暴增122% |
| 00:00:47,200 | 00:00:49,200 | 那過去刑事案每一個案 |
| 00:00:49,200 | 00:00:52,600 | 就是說平均每件所需要天數是66天 |
| 00:00:52,600 | 00:00:56,000 | 現在已經拉長到112天 |
| 00:00:56,000 | 00:00:59,200 | 那背後的原因我想各位首長應該能夠理解 |
| 00:00:59,600 | 00:01:03,400 | 那我接下來我們繼續看地檢署的案件量 |
| 00:01:03,400 | 00:01:05,600 | 新收案件逐年遞增 |
| 00:01:05,600 | 00:01:09,000 | 去年新收案件將近70萬件 |
| 00:01:09,000 | 00:01:11,800 | 未結件數13萬件 |
| 00:01:11,800 | 00:01:13,400 | 案量一直增加 |
| 00:01:13,400 | 00:01:15,400 | 怎麼處理得完呢 |
| 00:01:18,400 | 00:01:20,600 | 那我們再繼續來看 |
| 00:01:20,600 | 00:01:23,400 | 最近幾年這個大家大概都清楚 |
| 00:01:23,400 | 00:01:26,000 | 地檢署跟法院的案量暴增 |
| 00:01:26,000 | 00:01:29,000 | 不只是說書記官過勞 |
| 00:01:29,000 | 00:01:31,800 | 現在還有法警剛剛幾位我也提到 |
| 00:01:31,800 | 00:01:33,600 | 他要維持這個法庭秩序 |
| 00:01:33,600 | 00:01:35,000 | 要壓解人犯 |
| 00:01:35,000 | 00:01:37,000 | 他的勤務越來越重 |
| 00:01:37,000 | 00:01:40,600 | 那現在的升遷體制根本留不住人 |
| 00:01:40,600 | 00:01:42,800 | 那這次司法院提出修法 |
| 00:01:42,800 | 00:01:46,000 | 可是我的辦公室受到很多的陳情 |
| 00:01:46,000 | 00:01:47,400 | 基層法警問 |
| 00:01:47,400 | 00:01:50,600 | 為什麼只有法警長跟副法警長 |
| 00:01:50,600 | 00:01:53,200 | 他這個直接是提升的 |
| 00:01:53,200 | 00:01:55,800 | 那基層法警承擔了很多工作 |
| 00:01:55,800 | 00:01:57,300 | 直接卻沒有提升 |
| 00:01:57,300 | 00:01:58,800 | 這樣合理嗎 |
| 00:01:58,800 | 00:02:02,000 | 所以我主張基層法警值等 |
| 00:02:02,000 | 00:02:04,200 | 應該一併提升 |
| 00:02:04,200 | 00:02:06,800 | 我看是不是全序部跟司法院 |
| 00:02:06,800 | 00:02:09,600 | 能夠先做這個部分就再回答 |
| 00:02:11,600 | 00:02:12,400 | 可以 |
| 00:02:12,400 | 00:02:13,600 | 就是基層法警 |
| 00:02:13,600 | 00:02:16,000 | 為什麼這次都沒有去改變呢 |
| 00:02:16,000 | 00:02:17,400 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:02:17,400 | 00:02:21,000 | 因為當初這個在跟全序部 |
| 00:02:21,000 | 00:02:22,000 | 協商的時候 |
| 00:02:22,000 | 00:02:23,800 | 全序部商量的時候 |
| 00:02:23,800 | 00:02:25,400 | 也是有考慮到剛剛全序部 |
| 00:02:25,400 | 00:02:27,400 | 所講的那些值等問題 |
| 00:02:27,400 | 00:02:29,000 | 所以就沒有想到說 |
| 00:02:29,000 | 00:02:32,200 | 就暫時先讓法監長 |
| 00:02:32,200 | 00:02:35,400 | 還有他們可以分小隊長先來做 |
| 00:02:35,400 | 00:02:35,800 | 對 |
| 00:02:35,800 | 00:02:38,000 | 我還是希望你針對我的問題 |
| 00:02:38,000 | 00:02:39,000 | 因為時間有限 |
| 00:02:39,000 | 00:02:40,400 | 就是基層的法警 |
| 00:02:40,400 | 00:02:42,400 | 為什麼都不動他呢 |
| 00:02:42,400 | 00:02:43,200 | 就是 |
| 00:02:43,200 | 00:02:45,200 | 我就說剛剛跟委員報告 |
| 00:02:45,200 | 00:02:47,000 | 就是剛剛有一張小量 |
| 00:02:47,000 | 00:02:48,800 | 可是老實說 |
| 00:02:48,800 | 00:02:52,000 | 我們也是希望他們能夠提升 |
| 00:02:52,000 | 00:02:53,500 | 所以非常感謝委員 |
| 00:02:53,500 | 00:02:56,700 | 能夠在這一次的修法裡面 |
| 00:02:57,700 | 00:02:58,899 | 你覺得障礙是什麼 |
| 00:02:58,899 | 00:02:59,500 | 法警 |
| 00:02:59,500 | 00:03:00,500 | 你基本法也沒有 |
| 00:03:00,500 | 00:03:01,899 | 當初的障礙是什麼 |
| 00:03:01,899 | 00:03:04,899 | 只是單純考試列等的關係 |
| 00:03:04,899 | 00:03:07,299 | 考量到這個問題而已 |
| 00:03:07,299 | 00:03:09,299 | 可是就如同委員所說的 |
| 00:03:09,299 | 00:03:10,700 | 基層法警就如同 |
| 00:03:10,700 | 00:03:12,100 | 因為案件量增加 |
| 00:03:12,100 | 00:03:13,700 | 工作一定增加 |
| 00:03:13,700 | 00:03:15,299 | 責任也增加 |
| 00:03:15,299 | 00:03:16,700 | 對 當然一定是的 |
| 00:03:16,700 | 00:03:17,299 | 公務內容 |
| 00:03:17,299 | 00:03:19,899 | 那為什麼沒有考慮到基層法警呢 |
| 00:03:19,899 | 00:03:21,299 | 就是剛剛跟委員報告 |
| 00:03:21,299 | 00:03:22,700 | 當時就考量到 |
| 00:03:22,700 | 00:03:24,500 | 考試關係什麼關係 |
| 00:03:24,500 | 00:03:26,299 | 所以一下子就這樣決定了 |
| 00:03:26,300 | 00:03:27,500 | 謝謝委員 |
| 00:03:27,500 | 00:03:30,300 | 我全序部有回答嗎 |
| 00:03:30,300 | 00:03:32,300 | 那個我跟委員報告一下 |
| 00:03:32,300 | 00:03:32,900 | 因為第一個 |
| 00:03:32,900 | 00:03:35,100 | 現行公務員任用法第六條已經規定 |
| 00:03:35,100 | 00:03:36,300 | 他說每個職等 |
| 00:03:36,300 | 00:03:38,300 | 最多是跨二或三職等 |
| 00:03:38,300 | 00:03:40,700 | 那現行法警已經是從三到五職等 |
| 00:03:40,700 | 00:03:41,900 | 已經跨到三職等 |
| 00:03:41,900 | 00:03:43,300 | 我明白你講的理由 |
| 00:03:43,300 | 00:03:44,500 | 第一個我要跟你講 |
| 00:03:44,500 | 00:03:46,500 | 有個權理制度不是嗎 |
| 00:03:46,500 | 00:03:48,700 | 有個權宜制度你們也在用 |
| 00:03:48,700 | 00:03:49,400 | 為什麼不能用 |
| 00:03:49,400 | 00:03:50,500 | 這是第一個 |
| 00:03:50,500 | 00:03:51,700 | 第二個 |
| 00:03:51,700 | 00:03:54,300 | 所有的這個制度都是人定的 |
| 00:03:54,300 | 00:03:56,100 | 你又與時俱進 |
| 00:03:56,100 | 00:03:57,299 | 如果人在流失 |
| 00:03:57,299 | 00:03:58,900 | 工作量在增加 |
| 00:03:58,900 | 00:04:02,100 | 你還要保持幾十年前的規定嗎 |
| 00:04:02,100 | 00:04:03,100 | 次長對不對 |
| 00:04:03,100 | 00:04:04,700 | 就是說這個權宜 |
| 00:04:04,700 | 00:04:06,500 | 你們有個權理制度 |
| 00:04:06,500 | 00:04:08,299 | 就是權宜制度 |
| 00:04:08,299 | 00:04:10,900 | 那很多法規為什麼要重修 |
| 00:04:10,900 | 00:04:12,900 | 就是要與時俱進 |
| 00:04:12,900 | 00:04:14,299 | 所以制度是人定的 |
| 00:04:14,299 | 00:04:17,100 | 我是覺得這個理由不該成為理由 |
| 00:04:17,100 | 00:04:19,700 | 就是次長我讓你做一下參考 |
| 00:04:19,700 | 00:04:20,899 | 那這個 |
| 00:04:20,899 | 00:04:21,700 | 我們再來看一下 |
| 00:04:21,700 | 00:04:23,700 | 司法院提出的這個法院組織法 |
| 00:04:23,700 | 00:04:25,100 | 副表修正 |
| 00:04:25,100 | 00:04:27,500 | 他修改了法官、檢察官、書記官的原額 |
| 00:04:27,500 | 00:04:28,500 | 但我仔細看 |
| 00:04:28,500 | 00:04:30,100 | 其實問題很大 |
| 00:04:30,100 | 00:04:31,700 | 以地方法院來說 |
| 00:04:31,700 | 00:04:32,700 | 左邊這裡 |
| 00:04:32,700 | 00:04:33,700 | 第一類的地院 |
| 00:04:33,700 | 00:04:36,500 | 法官家庭長本來最高原額是兩百人 |
| 00:04:36,500 | 00:04:38,900 | 書記官最高原額是三百人 |
| 00:04:38,900 | 00:04:41,300 | 那修正草案第一類之一 |
| 00:04:41,300 | 00:04:44,500 | 就是說案量三十萬件以上的法院 |
| 00:04:44,500 | 00:04:47,100 | 法官最高的原額是兩百五十人 |
| 00:04:47,100 | 00:04:49,900 | 書記官是三百七十五人 |
| 00:04:49,900 | 00:04:53,700 | 那法官跟書記官的配比 |
| 00:04:53,900 | 00:04:55,500 | 依然是一比一點五 |
| 00:04:55,500 | 00:04:57,300 | 為什麼會這樣呢 |
| 00:04:57,300 | 00:05:00,700 | 案量增加一點五倍夠嗎 |
| 00:05:00,700 | 00:05:02,500 | 是不是司法院先回答這一點 |
| 00:05:02,500 | 00:05:03,500 | 你覺得這樣夠嗎 |
| 00:05:03,500 | 00:05:04,599 | 這個配比夠嗎 |
| 00:05:04,599 | 00:05:05,300 | 合理嗎 |
| 00:05:05,300 | 00:05:06,500 | 委員報告 |
| 00:05:06,500 | 00:05:07,500 | 案量增加 |
| 00:05:07,500 | 00:05:10,099 | 法官跟書記官同時都有負擔 |
| 00:05:10,099 | 00:05:12,500 | 其實就配比來講 |
| 00:05:12,500 | 00:05:13,099 | 夠不夠 |
| 00:05:13,099 | 00:05:16,500 | 這我很難講說一定夠 |
| 00:05:16,500 | 00:05:18,300 | 因為書記官工作的增加 |
| 00:05:18,300 | 00:05:19,300 | 老實說 |
| 00:05:19,300 | 00:05:21,700 | 我覺得應該要到一點八到二左右 |
| 00:05:21,700 | 00:05:22,700 | 因為我曾經說 |
| 00:05:22,700 | 00:05:24,300 | 書記官工作現在幾乎是 |
| 00:05:24,300 | 00:05:25,700 | 你說應該到多少一點 |
| 00:05:25,700 | 00:05:26,900 | 一點八到二 |
| 00:05:26,900 | 00:05:28,500 | 一點八到是理想是不是 |
| 00:05:28,500 | 00:05:29,099 | 好 |
| 00:05:29,099 | 00:05:30,700 | 可是那同樣的 |
| 00:05:30,700 | 00:05:33,700 | 老實說不止書記官原額要增加 |
| 00:05:33,700 | 00:05:35,300 | 法官原額也要增加 |
| 00:05:35,300 | 00:05:36,500 | 好 民事長你講的這個 |
| 00:05:36,500 | 00:05:39,300 | 當然表面上是合情合理 |
| 00:05:39,300 | 00:05:40,300 | 但是你也知道 |
| 00:05:40,300 | 00:05:41,700 | 書記官流失很多 |
| 00:05:41,700 | 00:05:43,500 | 我先稍微等一下 |
| 00:05:43,500 | 00:05:44,700 | 那我請問 |
| 00:05:44,700 | 00:05:45,700 | 對 我再請問一下 |
| 00:05:45,700 | 00:05:48,099 | 總原額法有沒有限制你這個處理 |
| 00:05:48,099 | 00:05:50,099 | 總原額法本身有沒有限定 |
| 00:05:50,099 | 00:05:52,500 | 限制了你這個對於這個配比 |
| 00:05:53,500 | 00:05:54,900 | 總原額法本身 |
| 00:05:54,900 | 00:05:55,700 | 沒有嗎 有 |
| 00:05:55,700 | 00:05:56,700 | 沒有 |
| 00:05:56,700 | 00:05:58,700 | 配比不是在總原額法限制 |
| 00:05:58,700 | 00:06:01,900 | 總原額法是限制了我們所有的人數 |
| 00:06:01,900 | 00:06:03,300 | 對 但是我剛剛強調說 |
| 00:06:03,300 | 00:06:04,900 | 書記官就是不夠 |
| 00:06:04,900 | 00:06:06,100 | 對 不夠 |
| 00:06:06,100 | 00:06:08,300 | 很多法官還甚至在幫忙書記官 |
| 00:06:08,300 | 00:06:10,100 | 這樣怎麼讓法官好好做事 |
| 00:06:10,100 | 00:06:11,700 | 都有 他們都要互相合作 |
| 00:06:11,700 | 00:06:12,700 | 所以我的重點說 |
| 00:06:12,700 | 00:06:13,700 | 為什麼這個配比 |
| 00:06:13,700 | 00:06:14,700 | 你覺得合理嗎 |
| 00:06:14,700 | 00:06:15,700 | 能夠調高 |
| 00:06:15,700 | 00:06:16,500 | 我是費心的 |
| 00:06:16,500 | 00:06:17,900 | 總原額法你就老實說 |
| 00:06:17,900 | 00:06:19,900 | 我再給你支持 |
| 00:06:19,900 | 00:06:21,500 | 你覺得會不會有限制 |
| 00:06:21,500 | 00:06:22,300 | 限制你 |
| 00:06:22,300 | 00:06:24,500 | 總原額法是我們的魔咒 |
| 00:06:24,500 | 00:06:25,900 | 魔咒 好 謝謝你 |
| 00:06:25,900 | 00:06:26,900 | 來 請問任總 |
| 00:06:26,900 | 00:06:28,100 | 來 任總 麻煩 |
| 00:06:29,100 | 00:06:30,900 | 為什麼要限制總原額 |
| 00:06:30,900 | 00:06:32,500 | 詐騙案這麼多 |
| 00:06:32,500 | 00:06:35,100 | 地檢跟地院都要崩了 |
| 00:06:35,100 | 00:06:37,500 | 書記官累到沒人想做 |
| 00:06:37,500 | 00:06:38,500 | 你繼續砍原額 |
| 00:06:38,500 | 00:06:41,100 | 你效上地檢跟法院整個這個 |
| 00:06:41,100 | 00:06:42,300 | 癱瘓掉嗎 |
| 00:06:42,300 | 00:06:44,500 | 1.5倍顯然就不夠啊 |
| 00:06:44,500 | 00:06:46,700 | 1.5倍顯然不夠啊 |
| 00:06:46,700 | 00:06:48,100 | 對不對 任總 |
| 00:06:48,100 | 00:06:49,900 | 你們聽到這個說法嗎 |
| 00:06:49,900 | 00:06:51,900 | 你聽到我談的話嗎 |
| 00:06:51,900 | 00:06:54,500 | 就不夠你怎麼再學健保那個總額 |
| 00:06:54,500 | 00:06:55,500 | 那個問題出很大 |
| 00:06:55,500 | 00:06:57,099 | 你這裡也要學這個總額制 |
| 00:06:57,099 | 00:06:59,299 | 你要看與時俱進啊 |
| 00:06:59,299 | 00:07:01,099 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:07:01,099 | 00:07:04,500 | 其實在司法的原額的這個 |
| 00:07:04,500 | 00:07:06,500 | 你限制總原額的部分 |
| 00:07:06,500 | 00:07:08,099 | 這是魔咒啊 |
| 00:07:08,099 | 00:07:09,700 | 今天秘書長老實講 |
| 00:07:09,700 | 00:07:10,900 | 我給他做支持 |
| 00:07:10,900 | 00:07:12,900 | 我支持他魔咒啊 |
| 00:07:12,900 | 00:07:15,099 | 現在回到你們身上了 |
| 00:07:15,099 | 00:07:16,900 | 這個魔咒要打開啊 |
| 00:07:16,900 | 00:07:19,900 | 我來跟這個委員做報告 |
| 00:07:20,900 | 00:07:22,900 | 在我們客機關 |
| 00:07:22,900 | 00:07:25,900 | 在近十年其實就是 |
| 00:07:25,900 | 00:07:29,900 | 它的原額的增減是算是比較 |
| 00:07:29,900 | 00:07:32,900 | 平盤的這個狀態底下 |
| 00:07:32,900 | 00:07:35,900 | 我們最近的十年增加 |
| 00:07:35,900 | 00:07:37,900 | 司法機關跟檢察機關的原額 |
| 00:07:37,900 | 00:07:39,900 | 大概有三千個左右 |
| 00:07:39,900 | 00:07:42,900 | 兩千九百七十一個人 |
| 00:07:42,900 | 00:07:45,900 | 司法院大概增加了一千四百七十六 |
| 00:07:45,900 | 00:07:48,900 | 檢察機關增加了一千四百九十五 |
| 00:07:48,900 | 00:07:50,900 | 你處理司法院沒有處理法務部 |
| 00:07:50,900 | 00:07:52,900 | 剛剛提到的這個 |
| 00:07:52,900 | 00:07:54,900 | 目前司法機關 |
| 00:07:54,900 | 00:07:56,900 | 還在考試分發或領埔中 |
| 00:07:56,900 | 00:07:58,900 | 或者是未運用的缺額 |
| 00:07:58,900 | 00:08:00,900 | 還有一千一百一十九個 |
| 00:08:00,900 | 00:08:02,900 | 檢察機關有四百七十八個 |
| 00:08:02,900 | 00:08:04,900 | 我剛剛給你那麼多的數字 |
| 00:08:04,900 | 00:08:06,900 | 你那個總原額的先生你好好聽 |
| 00:08:06,900 | 00:08:08,900 | 我現在跟他們站在一起 |
| 00:08:08,900 | 00:08:11,900 | 這個不及司法院的 |
| 00:08:11,900 | 00:08:13,900 | 我現在想麻煩司法院秘書長 |
| 00:08:13,900 | 00:08:15,900 | 我請你回去研議 |
| 00:08:15,900 | 00:08:17,900 | 多少比例以現在目前的業務量 |
| 00:08:17,900 | 00:08:19,900 | 你認為多少比例 |
| 00:08:19,900 | 00:08:21,900 | 是比較恰當的 |
| 00:08:21,900 | 00:08:22,900 | 我完全支持你 |
| 00:08:22,900 | 00:08:23,900 | 你請你給我答案 |
| 00:08:23,900 | 00:08:25,900 | 然後我請任總 |
| 00:08:25,900 | 00:08:27,900 | 要來思考好嗎 |
| 00:08:27,900 | 00:08:28,900 | 這個問題很重要 |
| 00:08:28,900 | 00:08:29,900 | 我現在再請教司法院 |
| 00:08:29,900 | 00:08:30,900 | 我們來看高等法院 |
| 00:08:30,900 | 00:08:32,900 | 現在不是只有這個地院的問題 |
| 00:08:32,900 | 00:08:34,900 | 第一類法庭院長 |
| 00:08:34,900 | 00:08:36,900 | 法庭庭長將法官本來最高四百八十人 |
| 00:08:36,900 | 00:08:38,900 | 書記官四百八十八人 |
| 00:08:38,900 | 00:08:40,900 | 修正查案變成了法官三百六十人 |
| 00:08:40,900 | 00:08:42,900 | 書記官三百六十八人 |
| 00:08:42,900 | 00:08:43,900 | 為什麼原額變少了 |
| 00:08:43,900 | 00:08:44,900 | 請你告訴我 |
| 00:08:44,900 | 00:08:46,900 | 為什麼原額變少了呢 |
| 00:08:46,900 | 00:08:49,900 | 來 我聽問你 |
| 00:08:49,900 | 00:08:51,900 | 又是總原額法嗎 |
| 00:08:51,900 | 00:08:52,900 | 你挪來挪去嗎 |
| 00:08:52,900 | 00:08:54,900 | 為什麼沒有變少 |
| 00:08:54,900 | 00:08:55,900 | 工作量減少嗎 |
| 00:08:55,900 | 00:08:56,900 | 為什麼 |
| 00:08:56,900 | 00:08:57,900 | 我剛剛已經秀資料了 |
| 00:08:57,900 | 00:08:59,900 | 為什麼這裡是原額變少呢 |
| 00:08:59,900 | 00:09:00,900 | 給我一個清楚的理由好嗎 |
| 00:09:00,900 | 00:09:02,900 | 很簡單的清楚理由 |
| 00:09:02,900 | 00:09:04,900 | 其實很簡單 |
| 00:09:04,900 | 00:09:06,900 | 為什麼變少 |
| 00:09:06,900 | 00:09:09,900 | 第一個地院的案件是 |
| 00:09:09,900 | 00:09:12,900 | 增加的非常快 |
| 00:09:12,900 | 00:09:15,900 | 那高院的案件稍微慢一點 |
| 00:09:15,900 | 00:09:16,900 | 對 也會增加 |
| 00:09:16,900 | 00:09:17,900 | 對 相對會增加 |
| 00:09:17,900 | 00:09:18,900 | 因為它慢 所以我們就保守一點 |
| 00:09:18,900 | 00:09:21,900 | 當然最重要還是總原額法 |
| 00:09:21,900 | 00:09:22,900 | 好 就暫停 |
| 00:09:22,900 | 00:09:23,900 | 就是這句話 |
| 00:09:23,900 | 00:09:24,900 | 暫停 好 |
| 00:09:24,900 | 00:09:26,900 | 任總 麻煩你 副人事長 |
| 00:09:26,900 | 00:09:29,900 | 高院也是要接受全國上訴的案件 |
| 00:09:29,900 | 00:09:30,900 | 你看看右邊這個地方 |
| 00:09:30,900 | 00:09:33,900 | 今年一月到六月民事上訴就六千六百七十二件 |
| 00:09:33,900 | 00:09:37,900 | 刑事上訴一萬四千八百三十九件 |
| 00:09:37,900 | 00:09:39,900 | 老實說 大家都過勞了 |
| 00:09:39,900 | 00:09:42,900 | 我們今天才談到這個修法 |
| 00:09:42,900 | 00:09:45,900 | 那結果非但不提高整體的原額 |
| 00:09:45,900 | 00:09:49,900 | 還把原額挪來挪去 像話嗎 |
| 00:09:49,900 | 00:09:51,900 | 你要這樣卡 卡到什麼時候呢 |
| 00:09:51,900 | 00:09:52,900 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:09:52,900 | 00:09:54,900 | 其實剛好已經有跟委員報告了 |
| 00:09:54,900 | 00:09:58,900 | 在各機關的這個總數沒有變動之下 |
| 00:09:58,900 | 00:10:00,900 | 其實司法跟檢察機關 |
| 00:10:00,900 | 00:10:02,900 | 我們近十年已經補了三千個 |
| 00:10:02,900 | 00:10:04,900 | 沒有 你上一次挪到108年 |
| 00:10:04,900 | 00:10:06,900 | 現在其實司法體系 |
| 00:10:06,900 | 00:10:08,900 | 這個業務量大的問題 |
| 00:10:08,900 | 00:10:09,900 | 其實大家都看到 |
| 00:10:09,900 | 00:10:11,900 | 然後大家一起在解決這個問題 |
| 00:10:11,900 | 00:10:14,900 | 從補充人力 提高待遇 |
| 00:10:14,900 | 00:10:16,900 | 其實剛剛也有委員也提到 |
| 00:10:16,900 | 00:10:18,900 | 兩個都有嘛 這個會不會是缺乏一樣嘛 |
| 00:10:18,900 | 00:10:20,900 | 另外今天要處理的就是提高列等 |
| 00:10:20,900 | 00:10:21,900 | 提高列等 |
| 00:10:21,900 | 00:10:22,900 | 然後另外一個 |
| 00:10:22,900 | 00:10:25,900 | 其實我們在五六月的時候 |
| 00:10:25,900 | 00:10:27,900 | 有到司法院跟檢察機關 |
| 00:10:27,900 | 00:10:31,900 | 你就告訴我原額法你要不要好好檢討一下 |
| 00:10:31,900 | 00:10:35,900 | 總要法其實有它的機制可以處理 |
| 00:10:35,900 | 00:10:37,900 | 好 我現在請教法務部代表 |
| 00:10:37,900 | 00:10:39,900 | 我們來看看地檢署 |
| 00:10:39,900 | 00:10:41,900 | 以現在詐騙案量這麼多 |
| 00:10:41,900 | 00:10:44,900 | 有這麼多申請定職行情的這個業務量 |
| 00:10:44,900 | 00:10:47,900 | 這次的檢察官數據官原額所增加的量 |
| 00:10:47,900 | 00:10:48,900 | 請你回答我 |
| 00:10:48,900 | 00:10:50,900 | 你覺得夠嗎 |
| 00:10:50,900 | 00:10:51,900 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:10:51,900 | 00:10:53,900 | 要不要再想一想 夠嗎 |
| 00:10:53,900 | 00:10:55,900 | 我們當然還是希望那個 |
| 00:10:55,900 | 00:10:57,900 | 就是司法人員的人數可以增加 |
| 00:10:57,900 | 00:10:59,900 | 因為現在確實在打擊犯罪上 |
| 00:10:59,900 | 00:11:00,900 | 大家都很努力 |
| 00:11:00,900 | 00:11:02,900 | 所以案件量是非常大的 |
| 00:11:02,900 | 00:11:04,900 | 那你有受到總原額影響嗎 |
| 00:11:04,900 | 00:11:05,900 | 當然有啊 |
| 00:11:05,900 | 00:11:08,900 | 當然有嘛 總原額影響嘛 |
| 00:11:08,900 | 00:11:10,900 | 所以這個我想說 |
| 00:11:10,900 | 00:11:12,900 | 就因為今天是司長來啦 |
| 00:11:12,900 | 00:11:14,900 | 你真的要為你的基層們 |
| 00:11:14,900 | 00:11:16,900 | 我今天就當作你代表部長來 |
| 00:11:16,900 | 00:11:19,900 | 你要為你的基層想一想 |
| 00:11:19,900 | 00:11:21,900 | 到底這樣夠不夠 |
| 00:11:21,900 | 00:11:23,900 | 有什麼障礙跟困難 |
| 00:11:23,900 | 00:11:24,900 | 要讓我們知道啊 |
| 00:11:24,900 | 00:11:26,900 | 所以大家還是回到一個總原額量 |
| 00:11:26,900 | 00:11:28,900 | 這簡直是魔咒 |
| 00:11:28,900 | 00:11:29,900 | 我們想辦法把它拆開 |
| 00:11:29,900 | 00:11:31,900 | 也不是說大開放嘛 |
| 00:11:31,900 | 00:11:33,900 | 我們要有一個合理的數字嘛 |
| 00:11:33,900 | 00:11:35,900 | 我剛剛一開始努力給你們這麼多的數字 |
| 00:11:35,900 | 00:11:37,900 | 好 我現在再請這個 |
| 00:11:37,900 | 00:11:39,900 | 司法院法務部連總看看這個新聞 |
| 00:11:39,900 | 00:11:41,900 | 今年三月開始書記官的紀錄費 |
| 00:11:41,900 | 00:11:43,900 | 剛剛這個吳委員也有提到 |
| 00:11:43,900 | 00:11:46,900 | 有四千七調到六千零七十元 |
| 00:11:46,900 | 00:11:49,900 | 這個是動漲二十八年以後耶 |
| 00:11:49,900 | 00:11:50,900 | 第一次調整耶 |
| 00:11:50,900 | 00:11:52,900 | 可是今年五院媒體吧 |
| 00:11:52,900 | 00:11:53,900 | 以新北來說嘛 |
| 00:11:53,900 | 00:11:54,900 | 它缺二七十一人 |
| 00:11:54,900 | 00:11:55,900 | 拿兩個人報到啊 |
| 00:11:55,900 | 00:11:58,900 | 你這個提升的幅度就是不夠啊 |
| 00:11:58,900 | 00:12:02,900 | 那你現在怎麼處理這件事情 |
| 00:12:02,900 | 00:12:03,900 | 書記官遠遠不夠 |
| 00:12:03,900 | 00:12:04,900 | 你怎麼處理這個問題 |
| 00:12:04,900 | 00:12:06,900 | 就是說紀錄的紀錄費 |
| 00:12:06,900 | 00:12:08,900 | 這個我們對一些人才的流失 |
| 00:12:08,900 | 00:12:09,900 | 基本上就兩件事嘛 |
| 00:12:09,900 | 00:12:10,900 | 一個是薪資待遇嘛 |
| 00:12:10,900 | 00:12:12,900 | 一個是工作環境的改善嘛 |
| 00:12:12,900 | 00:12:16,900 | 那現在我們提到它這個動漲二十八年 |
| 00:12:16,900 | 00:12:20,900 | 提高到這樣子多了一千三百塊 |
| 00:12:22,900 | 00:12:25,900 | 那你覺得還有其他的方法處理嗎 |
| 00:12:25,900 | 00:12:26,900 | 這樣夠嗎 |
| 00:12:26,900 | 00:12:27,900 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:12:27,900 | 00:12:28,900 | 絕對不夠 |
| 00:12:28,900 | 00:12:29,900 | 絕對不夠嘛 |
| 00:12:29,900 | 00:12:30,900 | 對不對 |
| 00:12:30,900 | 00:12:33,900 | 我們當初是想要 |
| 00:12:33,900 | 00:12:36,900 | 是希望能夠調到一萬五到兩萬 |
| 00:12:36,900 | 00:12:37,900 | 是啊 |
| 00:12:37,900 | 00:12:38,900 | 差這麼遠 |
| 00:12:38,900 | 00:12:40,900 | 可是我們也要感謝它 |
| 00:12:40,900 | 00:12:42,900 | 它們已經提高了 |
| 00:12:42,900 | 00:12:43,900 | 那秘書長 |
| 00:12:43,900 | 00:12:46,900 | 那你預期明年多少人會報到 |
| 00:12:46,900 | 00:12:47,900 | 如果以這個費 |
| 00:12:47,900 | 00:12:49,900 | 老實說新北地院 |
| 00:12:49,900 | 00:12:52,900 | 我們現在很努力 |
| 00:12:52,900 | 00:12:55,900 | 可是我相信報到率還是會在五十 |
| 00:12:55,900 | 00:12:56,900 | 還是很慘嘛 |
| 00:12:56,900 | 00:12:57,900 | 還是很慘嘛 |
| 00:12:57,900 | 00:12:59,900 | 那如果你不針對書記官稍微處理 |
| 00:12:59,900 | 00:13:00,900 | 如果就算調薪 |
| 00:13:00,900 | 00:13:02,900 | 調薪是大家一起調 |
| 00:13:02,900 | 00:13:04,900 | 你如果不針對書記官 |
| 00:13:04,900 | 00:13:05,900 | 他還是可以往別處去嘛 |
| 00:13:05,900 | 00:13:06,900 | 是是是 |
| 00:13:06,900 | 00:13:08,900 | 所以希望能夠支持調薪 |
| 00:13:08,900 | 00:13:10,900 | 所以最後就是這一張 |
| 00:13:10,900 | 00:13:12,900 | 就是請市委首長代表 |
| 00:13:12,900 | 00:13:15,900 | 就是請你們一個月內來回覆我 |
| 00:13:15,900 | 00:13:16,900 | 當然請中環哥兩座 |
| 00:13:16,900 | 00:13:17,900 | 第一個 |
| 00:13:17,900 | 00:13:18,900 | 我請任總 |
| 00:13:18,900 | 00:13:20,900 | 你還是要針對走員額啦 |
| 00:13:20,900 | 00:13:21,900 | 你進行檢討嘛 |
| 00:13:21,900 | 00:13:22,900 | 你好好想一想嘛 |
| 00:13:22,900 | 00:13:23,900 | 對不對 |
| 00:13:23,900 | 00:13:24,900 | 各位報告 |
| 00:13:24,900 | 00:13:26,900 | 走員其實都會檢討啦 |
| 00:13:26,900 | 00:13:27,900 | 合理的配置 |
| 00:13:27,900 | 00:13:29,900 | 我們都支持 |
| 00:13:29,900 | 00:13:31,900 | 另外剛剛委員提到 |
| 00:13:31,900 | 00:13:32,900 | 那個待遇的部分 |
| 00:13:32,900 | 00:13:34,900 | 其實我們在今年行政院 |
| 00:13:34,900 | 00:13:36,900 | 其實7月2號有宣布 |
| 00:13:36,900 | 00:13:37,900 | 我們這次就是 |
| 00:13:37,900 | 00:13:39,900 | 鼓勵基層 |
| 00:13:39,900 | 00:13:41,900 | 所以我們把那個專業態度 |
| 00:13:41,900 | 00:13:42,900 | 用定額調整 |
| 00:13:42,900 | 00:13:43,900 | 所以書記官會再加兩千 |
| 00:13:43,900 | 00:13:45,900 | 會再加兩千 |
| 00:13:45,900 | 00:13:46,900 | 我知道會再加 |
| 00:13:46,900 | 00:13:47,900 | 我才問到說 |
| 00:13:47,900 | 00:13:48,900 | 會再 |
| 00:13:48,900 | 00:13:49,900 | 好 |
| 00:13:49,900 | 00:13:50,900 | 那我們等著看報到率 |
| 00:13:50,900 | 00:13:52,900 | 從疊加的基礎上面會再 |
| 00:13:52,900 | 00:13:53,900 | 你加兩千 |
| 00:13:53,900 | 00:13:54,900 | 我們等著看報到率 |
| 00:13:54,900 | 00:13:56,900 | 會基層的 |
| 00:13:56,900 | 00:13:57,900 | 會到九點九八 |
| 00:13:57,900 | 00:13:58,900 | 會再上去 |
| 00:13:58,900 | 00:13:59,900 | 好我們等著看 |
| 00:13:59,900 | 00:14:01,900 | 當然委員講的很重要的 |
| 00:14:01,900 | 00:14:03,900 | 工作環境也是的確很重要 |
| 00:14:03,900 | 00:14:05,900 | 我們今年9月我們就會把 |
| 00:14:05,900 | 00:14:07,900 | 院檢跟警察機關 |
| 00:14:07,900 | 00:14:08,900 | 調查機關 |
| 00:14:08,900 | 00:14:09,900 | 我們會把他兜在一起 |
| 00:14:09,900 | 00:14:10,900 | 對不對 |
| 00:14:10,900 | 00:14:11,900 | 我們希望 |
| 00:14:11,900 | 00:14:13,900 | 也提出一些可以協助的面 |
| 00:14:13,900 | 00:14:14,900 | 就是工作環境 |
| 00:14:14,900 | 00:14:15,900 | 我想 |
| 00:14:15,900 | 00:14:16,900 | 其實在司法體系 |
| 00:14:16,900 | 00:14:17,900 | 人都知道 |
| 00:14:17,900 | 00:14:18,900 | 那個行政的量 |
| 00:14:18,900 | 00:14:20,900 | 跟他的工作方式 |
| 00:14:20,900 | 00:14:21,900 | 跟給他的工具等等 |
| 00:14:21,900 | 00:14:23,900 | 其實都一併要去處理 |
| 00:14:23,900 | 00:14:25,900 | 可能不是單一 |
| 00:14:25,900 | 00:14:26,900 | 單一的問題 |
| 00:14:26,900 | 00:14:27,900 | 一個月可以吧 |
| 00:14:27,900 | 00:14:29,900 | 就是請麻煩你給我一個書面檢討報告 |
| 00:14:29,900 | 00:14:30,900 | 我們會來協助 |
| 00:14:30,900 | 00:14:31,900 | 司法院這個部分 |
| 00:14:31,900 | 00:14:32,900 | 是不是兩週研議一下 |
| 00:14:32,900 | 00:14:35,900 | 你覺得法官跟書記官的配比如何 |
| 00:14:35,900 | 00:14:36,900 | 比較能符合現在 |
| 00:14:36,900 | 00:14:38,900 | 現在的這個業務量 |
| 00:14:38,900 | 00:14:39,900 | 給我們一個月 |
| 00:14:39,900 | 00:14:40,900 | 我們可以自己去規劃 |
| 00:14:40,900 | 00:14:41,900 | 要一個月可以 |
| 00:14:41,900 | 00:14:42,900 | 兩個月 |
| 00:14:42,900 | 00:14:43,900 | 好一個月 |
| 00:14:43,900 | 00:14:44,900 | 法務部就是說 |
| 00:14:44,900 | 00:14:46,900 | 本次修法檢察官調整原額 |
| 00:14:46,900 | 00:14:47,900 | 是否足夠 |
| 00:14:47,900 | 00:14:49,900 | 也請法務部給我這資料 |
| 00:14:49,900 | 00:14:50,900 | 就誠實的告訴我 |
| 00:14:50,900 | 00:14:51,900 | 你們覺得夠不夠 |
| 00:14:51,900 | 00:14:54,900 | 整體有案司法院法務部 |
| 00:14:54,900 | 00:14:55,900 | 跟人種的部分 |
| 00:14:55,900 | 00:14:57,900 | 書記官的記錄費 |
| 00:14:58,900 | 00:14:59,900 | 夠不夠 |
| 00:14:59,900 | 00:15:01,900 | 當然你剛剛講了另外一個數字 |
| 00:15:01,900 | 00:15:03,900 | 你這個怎麼提升 |
| 00:15:03,900 | 00:15:04,900 | 我還是回到這幾年 |
| 00:15:04,900 | 00:15:05,900 | 大家關心的醫療界 |
| 00:15:05,900 | 00:15:06,900 | 對不對 |
| 00:15:06,900 | 00:15:07,900 | 大家跑了 |
| 00:15:07,900 | 00:15:08,900 | 護理師都不見了 |
| 00:15:08,900 | 00:15:09,900 | 病房都關了 |
| 00:15:09,900 | 00:15:10,900 | 我們從哪間講一次 |
| 00:15:10,900 | 00:15:11,900 | 就是薪資待遇 |
| 00:15:11,900 | 00:15:13,900 | 有尊嚴的工作環境 |
| 00:15:13,900 | 00:15:15,900 | 好那就是請四位 |
| 00:15:15,900 | 00:15:16,900 | 我等待你們資料 |
| 00:15:16,900 | 00:15:17,900 | 一週一個月內 |
| 00:15:17,900 | 00:15:19,900 | 請給我書面的資料 |
| 00:15:19,900 | 00:15:20,900 | 好謝謝 |
| 00:15:20,900 | 00:15:22,900 | 謝謝主席 |
| 00:15:22,900 | 00:15:23,900 | 謝謝 |