| IVOD_ID |
170784 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170784 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
21 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-30T11:13:03+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-30T11:23:29+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:26 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e0eb45d9b4eab070331d1ea310355baf6914948a5b0a2b3d54b580f102200b77b67cecec6b19759e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:13:03 - 11:23:29 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議(事由:一、邀請原住民族委員會主任委員、文化部、國家通訊傳播委員會、財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會就「『海路-南島語族航海計畫』、『國際原住民族傳統競技文化交流族語節目(世界原住民族傳統運動會)』、『原住民族廣播電臺訊源傳輸及監控系統設備建置與相關基地台設置』等重大計畫執行進度、經費運用及成果認定檢討」進行專題報告,並備質詢。二、「原住民身分法」等11案:(一)繼續審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具「原住民身分法第二條條文修正草案」案。(二)繼續審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等18人擬具「原住民身分法部分條文修正草案」案。(三)繼續審查委員郭國文等16人擬具「原住民身分法修正草案」案。(四)繼續審查委員林宜瑾等22人擬具「原住民身分法第十一條條文修正草案」案。(五)繼續審查委員高金素梅等17人擬具「原住民身分法刪除第十一條條文草案」案。(六)繼續審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等20人擬具「原住民身分法第七條條文修正草案」案。(七)審查委員黃仁等19人擬具「原住民身分法第二條條文修正草案」案。(八)審查委員黃仁等18人擬具「原住民身分法第七條條文修正草案」案。(九)審查委員盧縣一等17人擬具「原住民身分法第四條條文修正草案」案。(十)審查委員陳瑩等16人擬具「原住民身分法第五條條文修正草案」案。(十一)審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等18人擬具「原住民身分法第七條條文修正草案」案。三、「原住民族基本法」等15案:(一)繼續審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人擬具「原住民族基本法增訂第二條之二條文草案」案。(二)繼續審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等17人擬具「原住民族基本法第二十一條條文修正草案」案。(三)繼續審查委員高金素梅等21人擬具「原住民族基本法部分條文修正草案」案。(四)繼續審查委員黃仁等30人擬具「原住民族基本法第十九條條文修正草案」案。(五)繼續審查委員黃仁等26人擬具「原住民族基本法第十五條條文修正草案」案。(六)繼續審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具「原住民族基本法增訂第六條之一條文草案」案。(七)繼續審查委員黃仁等20人擬具「原住民族基本法增訂第二十八條之一條文草案」案。(八)繼續審查委員黃仁等22人擬具「原住民族基本法第十條條文修正草案」案。(九)繼續審查委員黃仁等21人擬具「原住民族基本法第六條條文修正草案」案。(十)繼續審查委員高金素梅等20人擬具「原住民族基本法第十八條條文修正草案」案。(十一)繼續審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等17人擬具「原住民族基本法第十八條條文修正草案」案。(十二)繼續審查委員盧縣一等18人擬具「原住民族基本法部分條文修正草案」案。(十三)審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等17人擬具「原住民族基本法部分條文修正草案」案。(十四)審查委員林宜瑾等18人擬具「原住民族基本法第二條條文修正草案」案。(十五)審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等21人擬具「原住民族基本法第二十一條、第二十一條之一及第二十一條之二條文修正草案」案。【法案進行逐條審查】) |
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18.3 |
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主席在黨委員先進 烈焰政府將長 官員 會長 共夥伴 記者媒體 女士先生 |
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18.3 |
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20.3 |
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那麼有請多一點 |
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20.3 |
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26 |
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我們的杜章梅莊主任委員 副主任委員 |
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26 |
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29 |
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還有謝亞傑處長 |
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29 |
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36 |
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以及內政部的地政司張哲明檢任視察 |
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36 |
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41 |
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還有我們財政部國產署的羅玉華副組長 |
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41 |
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45 |
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還有農業部林保署的黃靖晏副組長 |
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45 |
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49 |
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以及水保署的簡以達檢政工程師 |
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56 |
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62 |
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好 謝謝副主委來請教一下 |
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62 |
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64 |
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我就延續剛剛武力華委員的問題 |
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64 |
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67 |
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你在求學的時候有被稱呼過三包嗎 |
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67 |
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69 |
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山地人 |
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69 |
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71 |
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山地人 那你覺得這個稱謂 |
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71 |
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73 |
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或者有聽到煩惱 |
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73 |
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76 |
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你會不會覺得不舒服 |
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76 |
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77 |
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會啊 |
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77 |
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78 |
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會 很好 |
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78 |
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81 |
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其實我在1996年也是剛好是第三屆國大代表 |
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81 |
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84 |
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但是我在1994年我就上過陽明山 |
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84 |
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86 |
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不是為了當國大代表 |
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86 |
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90 |
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是為了呼應很多源泉團體去要求證明 |
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90 |
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93 |
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為什麼證明 為原住民證明 |
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93 |
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96 |
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那如果說原住民叫三包 |
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96 |
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99 |
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那我叫做什麼 叫漢包啊 |
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99 |
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102 |
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而且還要分胡老漢包跟客家漢包 |
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102 |
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105 |
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你會接受嗎 你認為我會接受嗎 |
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我當然不會接受嘛 |
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109 |
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所以剛剛武力華委員說到 |
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109 |
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112 |
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將原住民區分成山地原住民跟平地原住民 |
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112 |
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114 |
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那你認為如果天路為主 |
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114 |
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118 |
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就有將原住民的生活領域局限在台灣的特定地區 |
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118 |
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121 |
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你覺得如何 你覺得這樣好嗎 |
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121 |
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122 |
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事實上 |
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122 |
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125 |
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不是嘛 因為整個台灣最早的時候都是原住民嘛 |
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125 |
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128 |
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對不對 難道最早的時候台灣的原住民有分區 |
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128 |
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130 |
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住在山上跟平地的嗎 |
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130 |
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133 |
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通通都是我們原住民的一個領域嘛 |
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133 |
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135 |
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好 那我現在要問的 |
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135 |
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137 |
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那如果未來我們修憲 |
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137 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
139 |
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將憲法當中的三元跟平元拿掉 |
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139 |
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141 |
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那原住民你會不會支持 |
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141 |
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144 |
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我說 修憲後你會不會支持 |
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144 |
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146 |
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會 會支持 很好 |
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146 |
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148 |
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好 那我開始進入今天的本題了 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
148 |
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151 |
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那說到原住民的生存活動空間 |
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151 |
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155 |
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你認為原住民保留地通通都是山坡地嗎 |
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155 |
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159 |
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保留地其實不盡然全部在山坡地 |
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159 |
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161 |
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大部分是而已 |
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161 |
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165 |
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是 因為山坡地的定義是在100公尺以上 |
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165 |
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168 |
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或者是海拔100公尺以下坡度超過5%的 |
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168 |
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170 |
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我們屏東很多原鄉他的土地 |
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170 |
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173 |
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就沒有超過100公尺也沒有超過5% |
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173 |
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178 |
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可是他們的使用卻受到山坡地保育條例的限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
178 |
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179 |
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好 我再請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
179 |
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185 |
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你認為 來我請教一下那個水保署的檢認工程師 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
185 |
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187 |
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是 國人好 |
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187 |
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189 |
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山坡地保育條例對不對 |
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189 |
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193 |
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是 建民登記應該規範在山坡地保育條例嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
193 |
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195 |
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其實山坡地保育條例 |
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195 |
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197 |
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國人不敢建民登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
197 |
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198 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
不管 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
198 |
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200 |
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好 很好 可以寫 請回了 |
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200 |
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202 |
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好 副主委 |
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202 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
204 |
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來 請你們的處長告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
204 |
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207 |
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昨天他在我們修山坡地保育條例的時候 |
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207 |
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210 |
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他是不是希望把建民登記的條款 |
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210 |
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212 |
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放在山坡地保育條例裡面 |
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212 |
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215 |
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你可以問他 有沒有 副長有沒有 |
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215 |
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220 |
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我們的規劃是要放在我們這個原保地的管理 |
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220 |
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221 |
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是嗎 |
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221 |
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226 |
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我們是有原住民族保留地的一個管理辦條例嘛 對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
226 |
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228 |
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好 那我們看一下 |
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228 |
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230 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
往前第一章 |
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230 |
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233 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
原住民保留地的法規 |
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233 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
235 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
不應該訂在山坡地保育條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
235 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
236 |
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要另訂章法 對不對 |
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236 |
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237 |
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這是你們的主張 |
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237 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
238 |
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是 好 那我們來看一下 |
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238 |
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241 |
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為什麼會有這個主張呢 我們往下看 |
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241 |
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245 |
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其實在110年有一個108台上大致 |
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245 |
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247 |
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也就是最高法院的民事大法庭 |
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247 |
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254 |
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他說 關於非原住民以建民登記這個違反了民法因屬無效 |
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254 |
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256 |
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大法庭已經做上了裁示了 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
256 |
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260 |
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所以關於很多建民登記的問題就爆發出來了嘛 對不對 |
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260 |
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261 |
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對 |
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261 |
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263 |
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甚至我們來看今年 往下看 |
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263 |
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267 |
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今年14年有個憲判 去年有個憲判 |
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267 |
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270 |
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這個憲判說什麼 他是不予受理喔 |
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270 |
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273 |
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這個憲判說 所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
273 |
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274 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
來 我們看內容 |
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274 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
280 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
原住民保留地之所有權取得資格與審查程序及部落參與等 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
280 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
284 |
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是原住民保留地私有制度之核心事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
284 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
287 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
因屬國會保留事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
287 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
289 |
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所以他們不介入 |
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289 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
294 |
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國會保留 所以他說這個不屬於我們憲法法庭裁判的範圍 |
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294 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
301 |
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但是 但是過去卻利用山坡地保育條例第三條第六項的控牌授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
301 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
303 |
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中央原住民主管機關 |
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303 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
308 |
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必須要訂定原住民保留地開發管理辦法 |
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308 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
310 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
管理辦法是不是法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
310 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
311 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
311 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
315 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
府部會保留原則 不符合一定要國會立法 對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
315 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
318 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
所以違反了憲法第23條的法律明確性規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
318 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
321 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
所以行政院有沒有後來 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
321 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
325 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
原民會有沒有送出這樣的一個專法 原保地的條例專法 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
325 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
328 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
這個我們在110年曾經送過 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
328 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
332 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
有 我這裡拿到了111年 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
332 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
334 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
行政院有送到立法院來 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
334 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
336 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
立法院怎麼處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
336 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
338 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
副主委你知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
338 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
341 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
後來有一些討論有一些爭議的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
341 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
345 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
後來有一些委員 包括在場的原住民委員反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
345 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
347 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
所以呢 他就沒有通過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
347 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
350 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
在場的原住民委員反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
350 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
355 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
原民會在行政院送來的原住民主保留地的條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
355 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
356 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
管理條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
356 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
358 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
我不懂啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
358 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
359 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
我不懂啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
359 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
363 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
原住民的委員當行政訂定專法 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
363 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
365 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
符合憲法的要旨 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
365 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
367 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
符合大法庭的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
367 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
368 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
居然反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
368 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
371 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
副主委 你們偷偷告訴我 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
371 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
373 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
到底那時候你有沒有在原民會了 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
373 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
376 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
當時的原住民的委員那位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
376 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
379 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
那幾位委員為什麼要反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
379 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
381 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
在場你不好意思講嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
381 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
383 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
因為委員在場不好意思講嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
383 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
384 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
沒有 因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
384 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
386 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
沒有 因為你說是我發言時間啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
386 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
387 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
你昨天都講過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
387 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
388 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
390 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
392 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
那是你講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
392 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
393 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
就是因為政府的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
393 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
396 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
到目前 屆氣不連續 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
396 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
401 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
上一屆的原保地條例結果功敗垂成 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
401 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
405 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
因為少數部分原住民委員基於私利反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
405 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
408 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
結果呢 就打消了 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
408 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
411 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
本屆立法院行政院有沒有要再送出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
411 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
413 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
目前我們已經送到行政院了 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
413 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
414 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
送到行政院了 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
414 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
416 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
有沒有關於建民登記的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
416 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
417 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
有 有 有 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
417 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
418 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
有關於建民登記的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
418 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
421 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
包含剛剛37條全部在那個版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
421 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
424 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
如果這個專法沒有趕快在立法院通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
424 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
429 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
剛剛所秀出來的這些原住民族保留地的相關產權爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
429 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
430 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
透過建民登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
430 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
432 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
有沒有法律可以處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
432 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
434 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
沒有 沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
434 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
438 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
所以我在這裡 我要請這麼多人在 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
438 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
441 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
這裡面我為什麼要請林保署呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
442 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
445 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
林保署負責我們環境保育嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
445 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
446 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
是 委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
446 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
447 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
你們有沒有很多原保地 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
447 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
448 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
有 有嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
448 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
450 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
你們怎麼處理遇到這些爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
450 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
451 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
遇到建民登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
451 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
452 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
到底要處分行為人 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
452 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
454 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
還是處分所有權人 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
454 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
455 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
有沒有很多的爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
455 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
456 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
有 有 好 來 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
456 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
457 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
我再另外問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
457 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
460 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
來 我們國產署 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
460 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
462 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
我們國產署管轄用地 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
462 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
465 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
有沒有跟原保地有一些認定的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
465 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
468 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
有 有認定嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
468 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
470 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
產權 界限的問題嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
470 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
471 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
如果沒有這個專馬 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
471 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
473 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
我們國有財產 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
473 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
474 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
不管是國有林地 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
474 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
475 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
還是國有土地的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
475 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
477 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
有沒有辦法釐清 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
477 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
480 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
哪些是我們屬於原住民的土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
480 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
483 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
你們遇到建民登記的時候怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
483 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
487 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
建民登記的審理的權責是那個地震單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
487 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
488 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
很好 你幫我們叫地震單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
488 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
491 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
來 地震司 張捷能視察 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
491 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
493 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
你們怎麼處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
493 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
495 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
目前建民登記如果是施選部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
495 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
496 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
都要訴訊法院來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
496 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
498 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
訴訊法院嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
498 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
500 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
一個案子case by case嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
500 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
503 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
所以未來的原住民保留地的處理條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
503 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
505 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
如果送到本院來 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
505 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
506 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
會在哪裡審理 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
506 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
508 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
會在內政委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
508 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
510 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
內政委會會不會有內政部 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
510 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
512 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
會不會有地震司 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
512 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
514 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
是不是可以跟這些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
514 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
516 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
做一個完全正本清源的處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
516 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
517 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
好 副主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
517 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
518 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
我請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
518 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
519 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
你支不支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
519 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
521 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
關於原住民保留地 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
521 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
524 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
關於建民登記這些長期以來的爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
524 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
525 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
困擾我們原住民朋友的 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
525 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
527 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
希望有個專法通過後 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
527 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
528 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
送到本院來審理 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
528 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
送到我們這個內政委會來審理 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
532 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
你支不支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
532 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
534 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
這個一直都是原民規規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
534 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
535 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
希望朝這個方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
535 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
537 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
是的 你好好告訴你們處長 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
537 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
539 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
他昨天在我們經濟委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
539 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
541 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
我們在修三波地保育條例的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
541 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
544 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
他卻配合特定委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
544 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
546 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
要把建民登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
546 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
548 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
放在原來本質完全不同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
548 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
550 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
三波地保育條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
550 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
551 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
我不是在說他 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
551 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
553 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
違背我們原住民的權益啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
554 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
556 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
但是可能他在當下 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
556 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
558 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
因為那個管理條例太久了 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
558 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
559 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
那我們有一個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
559 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
561 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
是啊 如果上天沒有人阻擋 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
561 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
562 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
今天就通過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
562 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
564 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
所以我們才會有這樣的一個想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
564 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
566 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
所以你要趕快在行政委員會推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
566 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
570 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
原住民族保留地管理條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
570 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
572 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
要趕快送到本院來審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
572 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
575 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
送到本院的內政委員會來審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
575 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
576 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
我今天我在經濟委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
576 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
578 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
我特別來跟你們告這個狀 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
578 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
579 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
不是告處長的狀 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
579 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
582 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
因為處長他人在霧煙下不得不低頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
582 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
583 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
583 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
585 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
所以委員在那邊要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
585 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
588 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
他配合的把這些條文法規生出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
588 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
589 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
這是不對的 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
589 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
592 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
所以我希望原住民委員會加油好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
592 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
596 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
不要再被人家說成是三包跟漢包了好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
596 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
599 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
不要再有三地原住民跟平地原住民自稱好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
599 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
601 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
我是修憲委員會的召集委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
601 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
603 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
我會來排 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
603 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
605 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
我們這次修憲委員會有很多議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
605 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
607 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
許委員很關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
607 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
609 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
昨天有公聽會 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
609 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
610 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
我們希望未來呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
610 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
615 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
我們努力的不只讓原住民的正名能夠徹底完全成功 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
615 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
618 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
也讓原住民族相關在台灣應有的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
618 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
621 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
都得到國會立法的完整保障好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
621 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
622 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
622 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
623 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
謝謝 |