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高金素梅 @ 第11屆第5會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:09,880 | 請附組委 |
| 00:00:09,880 | 00:00:16,520 | 對於南島與竹行海濟化 八丹島這個案子 大家各自有不同的看法 都很好 |
| 00:00:16,520 | 00:00:24,760 | 我想請問一下 這個案子是原民會生成的 還是原文會的發想 |
| 00:00:24,760 | 00:00:34,520 | 最早在111年是原文會有跟文化部申請這個預算 大概是1100萬 |
| 00:00:34,520 | 00:00:37,920 | 所以是 簡單講就是原文會的發期 |
| 00:00:37,920 | 00:00:41,120 | 後來在114年才又在跟會裡面針對那個 |
| 00:00:41,120 | 00:00:43,880 | 115年跟文化部 |
| 00:00:43,880 | 00:00:46,360 | 111是跟文化部 |
| 00:00:46,360 | 00:00:48,760 | 他們一開始啟動這個航海的這樣的 |
| 00:00:48,760 | 00:00:52,920 | 那所以這個111的時候沒有成行 |
| 00:00:53,080 | 00:00:57,280 | 沒有 當時他著重在這個造舟 造這個拼板舟 |
| 00:00:57,280 | 00:00:58,400 | 還有一些相關的 |
| 00:00:58,400 | 00:01:02,840 | 所以這個計畫應該是111年一直到現在是不是 |
| 00:01:02,840 | 00:01:05,120 | 115年完成這樣子 |
| 00:01:05,120 | 00:01:09,000 | 那也就很長的一個計畫了 |
| 00:01:09,000 | 00:01:13,720 | 那請問一下這個計畫 你們會內開了多少次會 |
| 00:01:18,200 | 00:01:19,240 | 最少10次 |
| 00:01:19,240 | 00:01:22,160 | 好 那也就是有完整的開會的紀錄 |
| 00:01:22,200 | 00:01:25,800 | 請問一下完整的開會紀錄可不可以提供給我 |
| 00:01:25,800 | 00:01:26,119 | 可以 |
| 00:01:26,119 | 00:01:29,119 | 因為我為什麼今天會有這樣子的一個專案報告 |
| 00:01:29,119 | 00:01:33,320 | 是因為我覺得這一次我們的行動 |
| 00:01:33,320 | 00:01:35,560 | 我覺得太過於草率 |
| 00:01:35,560 | 00:01:37,120 | 為什麼草率呢 |
| 00:01:37,120 | 00:01:44,039 | 因為你看你們八單島的執行計畫3850塊 50萬 |
| 00:01:44,039 | 00:01:47,080 | 然後專案管理行政費750萬 |
| 00:01:47,080 | 00:01:49,120 | 編列那麼高的管理會 |
| 00:01:49,160 | 00:01:53,800 | 為什麼這次的計畫仍然出現重大的缺失 |
| 00:01:53,800 | 00:01:56,560 | 然後你們報告也沒有講這個缺失是什麼 |
| 00:01:56,560 | 00:01:59,200 | 你們還只是說這是一個非常成功的 |
| 00:01:59,200 | 00:02:00,720 | 但事實上呢 |
| 00:02:00,720 | 00:02:04,680 | 你們航程的規劃執行費是1150萬 |
| 00:02:04,680 | 00:02:10,440 | 然後舟體內部結構遭海浪嚴重的破壞 |
| 00:02:10,440 | 00:02:14,000 | 船板的座位也被沖走了 |
| 00:02:14,000 | 00:02:17,120 | 然後船體持續的在進水 |
| 00:02:17,160 | 00:02:19,760 | 所以就沒有辦法的滑行了 |
| 00:02:19,760 | 00:02:22,760 | 請問一下你們挑戰的是黑潮 |
| 00:02:23,680 | 00:02:25,480 | 黑潮不是那麼容易的 |
| 00:02:25,480 | 00:02:27,480 | 你去Google一下黑潮 |
| 00:02:27,480 | 00:02:29,280 | AI怎麼告訴你 |
| 00:02:29,640 | 00:02:32,280 | 它的潮流是非常險峻的 |
| 00:02:32,280 | 00:02:35,120 | 哪是你們這樣子可以草草耍帥 |
| 00:02:35,120 | 00:02:38,720 | 當然會碰到無法繼續滑行 |
| 00:02:38,720 | 00:02:40,920 | 然後花了1000多萬的規劃 |
| 00:02:40,920 | 00:02:45,440 | 你們卻連最安全還有應變都沒有做好 |
| 00:02:45,440 | 00:02:47,000 | 請問這是成功嗎 |
| 00:02:47,040 | 00:02:50,800 | 在今天所有的檢討報告裡面你們也沒有寫 |
| 00:02:50,800 | 00:02:52,960 | 未來你們如果還要再做的話 |
| 00:02:52,960 | 00:02:56,120 | 你們還會面對同樣的問題 |
| 00:02:56,120 | 00:02:58,600 | 然後你們原文會給我報告是說 |
| 00:02:58,600 | 00:03:00,920 | 你們航程未完成是因為 |
| 00:03:00,920 | 00:03:04,880 | 護航的船叫做青美號 |
| 00:03:04,880 | 00:03:07,120 | 它的發電機故障 |
| 00:03:07,120 | 00:03:09,320 | 請問一下到底是發電機故障 |
| 00:03:09,320 | 00:03:11,320 | 還是我們這個船體進水 |
| 00:03:12,840 | 00:03:15,320 | 各位報告這個航行當然是 |
| 00:03:15,359 | 00:03:18,239 | 我們做了非常充分的安全評估跟規劃 |
| 00:03:18,239 | 00:03:21,560 | 當然不知道挑戰黑潮是一件非常嚴重的事情 |
| 00:03:21,560 | 00:03:23,680 | 達威族的前輩 |
| 00:03:23,680 | 00:03:25,680 | 祖先應該都清楚知道 |
| 00:03:25,680 | 00:03:27,840 | 可能跟我們計畫上當然有一點落差 |
| 00:03:27,840 | 00:03:28,400 | 這個也是 |
| 00:03:28,400 | 00:03:30,640 | 請問一下這樣子的一個變化 |
| 00:03:30,640 | 00:03:33,840 | 有沒有在你們的規劃跟討論範圍之內 |
| 00:03:33,840 | 00:03:36,880 | 我再講一次你們挑戰的是黑潮 |
| 00:03:37,560 | 00:03:40,400 | 這個不是普通的一個洋流 |
| 00:03:40,400 | 00:03:42,320 | 我們在籌辦的過程 |
| 00:03:42,320 | 00:03:45,079 | 當然在應變的機制是有充分的討論 |
| 00:03:45,320 | 00:03:49,840 | 請問一下到底是你們護航的船發電機故障 |
| 00:03:49,840 | 00:03:51,560 | 還是船體進水 |
| 00:03:51,560 | 00:03:54,760 | 還是你們發現黑潮不是那麼好容易挑戰的 |
| 00:03:55,960 | 00:03:57,560 | 因為他們發出去以後 |
| 00:03:57,560 | 00:04:00,120 | 發現到那個湧浪比你想的還要大 |
| 00:04:00,120 | 00:04:03,080 | 發現到是就滑出去才發現嗎 |
| 00:04:03,080 | 00:04:06,240 | 難道你們在規劃的時候就不會想到嗎 |
| 00:04:06,240 | 00:04:07,400 | 是覺得是可以的 |
| 00:04:07,400 | 00:04:08,400 | 副主委 |
| 00:04:08,400 | 00:04:09,760 | 我今天 |
| 00:04:09,760 | 00:04:14,080 | 我今天不想看到我們在這邊是針鋒相對 |
| 00:04:14,080 | 00:04:18,800 | 我們要的是花了三千八百五十萬的錢 |
| 00:04:18,800 | 00:04:20,720 | 有沒有完整的規劃 |
| 00:04:20,720 | 00:04:22,760 | 而今天要你們做專案報告 |
| 00:04:22,760 | 00:04:25,400 | 就是希望你們能夠記取教訓 |
| 00:04:25,400 | 00:04:28,440 | 下次不要再有這樣的事情發生 |
| 00:04:28,440 | 00:04:31,360 | 當然做文化的交流傳承文化 |
| 00:04:31,360 | 00:04:35,000 | 平反中來自達悟族人不是只有一艘 |
| 00:04:35,760 | 00:04:37,520 | 好多艘 |
| 00:04:37,520 | 00:04:37,960 | 對不對 |
| 00:04:37,960 | 00:04:42,360 | 而且你們跟八單的交流也不是三百年來首次 |
| 00:04:42,360 | 00:04:43,920 | 有幾次了 |
| 00:04:43,920 | 00:04:49,000 | 所以你們竟然要做這麼大的一個政治上的宣示 |
| 00:04:49,000 | 00:04:51,640 | 你們總是要有一些規劃 |
| 00:04:51,640 | 00:04:55,040 | 如果你們真是有一些政治上的宣示 |
| 00:04:55,040 | 00:04:56,680 | 或政治上的意圖 |
| 00:04:56,680 | 00:04:59,120 | 就是剛剛幾個委員講的 |
| 00:04:59,120 | 00:05:01,360 | 你們要有你們的功能啊 |
| 00:05:01,360 | 00:05:02,360 | 未來在哪裡 |
| 00:05:02,360 | 00:05:04,960 | 今天你們的報告完全沒有 |
| 00:05:04,960 | 00:05:07,800 | 然後我覺得這個真相也沒有看到 |
| 00:05:07,800 | 00:05:08,960 | 就是你剛剛跟我講的 |
| 00:05:08,960 | 00:05:09,560 | 滑出去 |
| 00:05:09,560 | 00:05:10,600 | 我們就發現 |
| 00:05:10,600 | 00:05:10,880 | 哇 |
| 00:05:10,880 | 00:05:12,360 | 這個洋流非常的大 |
| 00:05:12,360 | 00:05:13,760 | 所以團體進水了 |
| 00:05:13,760 | 00:05:15,880 | 所以造成說那個他們安全第一 |
| 00:05:15,880 | 00:05:16,920 | 所以先把人先 |
| 00:05:16,920 | 00:05:18,960 | 我當然了解安全第一 |
| 00:05:18,960 | 00:05:20,599 | 但是你們在滑出去之前 |
| 00:05:20,599 | 00:05:23,760 | 都不知道黑潮的洋流是這麼嚴重的嗎 |
| 00:05:23,760 | 00:05:25,039 | 是有評估 |
| 00:05:25,039 | 00:05:25,760 | 那評估了 |
| 00:05:25,760 | 00:05:29,039 | 為什麼你們的護航船還會發電機沒電 |
| 00:05:30,719 | 00:05:31,039 | 好啦 |
| 00:05:31,039 | 00:05:33,320 | 副主委今天不要在這邊了 |
| 00:05:33,320 | 00:05:35,080 | 我現在要凸顯的就是 |
| 00:05:35,080 | 00:05:39,280 | 你們根本沒有好好的規劃 |
| 00:05:39,280 | 00:05:42,320 | 你們只是想要完成這件事情 |
| 00:05:42,320 | 00:05:43,400 | 你知道這件事情 |
| 00:05:43,400 | 00:05:45,120 | 如你剛剛所說的 |
| 00:05:45,120 | 00:05:46,919 | 達悟的族人是多 |
| 00:05:46,919 | 00:05:48,120 | 他的安危 |
| 00:05:48,120 | 00:05:50,320 | 而且裡面的滑船的人 |
| 00:05:50,320 | 00:05:52,479 | 不全是達悟族人 |
| 00:05:52,479 | 00:05:54,359 | 他還有漢族的人 |
| 00:05:54,359 | 00:05:55,799 | 還有其他的人 |
| 00:05:55,799 | 00:05:57,640 | 如果你們真的是所有的 |
| 00:05:57,640 | 00:05:59,200 | 都要我們男女達悟族人 |
| 00:05:59,200 | 00:06:02,200 | 應該規劃好訓練好 |
| 00:06:02,200 | 00:06:03,840 | 所有都是達悟族人 |
| 00:06:03,840 | 00:06:05,359 | 一起參與這件事情 |
| 00:06:05,359 | 00:06:07,000 | 不是更有意義嗎 |
| 00:06:07,000 | 00:06:07,320 | 好嗎 |
| 00:06:07,320 | 00:06:07,799 | 謝謝 |
| 00:06:11,239 | 00:06:12,640 | 我再講第二個 |
| 00:06:12,640 | 00:06:16,479 | 請你們再把你們的具體的檢討報告 |
| 00:06:16,479 | 00:06:17,360 | 還有未來要做 |
| 00:06:17,360 | 00:06:19,000 | 剛剛有非常多的委員 |
| 00:06:19,000 | 00:06:20,080 | 洪祿委員也好 |
| 00:06:20,080 | 00:06:21,599 | 廖先祥委員也好 |
| 00:06:21,599 | 00:06:24,760 | 都想到你們未來還要做些什麼事情 |
| 00:06:24,760 | 00:06:26,200 | 我希望人民會 |
| 00:06:26,200 | 00:06:28,640 | 原文會你們做事情的時候 |
| 00:06:28,640 | 00:06:30,599 | 不要雷聲大 |
| 00:06:30,599 | 00:06:32,240 | 然後雨點小 |
| 00:06:32,240 | 00:06:34,520 | 然後後續的也沒有想好 |
| 00:06:34,520 | 00:06:36,880 | 每一次想做什麼就做什麼 |
| 00:06:36,880 | 00:06:40,919 | 我覺得人民會的預算本來就很少了 |
| 00:06:40,960 | 00:06:44,480 | 我覺得人民會在操作自己族人的事情的時候 |
| 00:06:44,480 | 00:06:47,080 | 請你們專業一點好不好 |
| 00:06:47,080 | 00:06:48,880 | 另外我要跟您談的是 |
| 00:06:48,880 | 00:06:50,680 | 原住民族廣播電台 |
| 00:06:50,680 | 00:06:52,360 | 基地台的設置 |
| 00:06:52,360 | 00:06:55,120 | 剛剛洪祿委員也說了 |
| 00:06:55,120 | 00:06:57,960 | 宣傳族人的事務 |
| 00:06:57,960 | 00:07:00,280 | 你們應該要非常的上手 |
| 00:07:00,280 | 00:07:04,160 | 可是我們看到你們辦活動的時候是非常的積極 |
| 00:07:04,160 | 00:07:06,640 | 可是你們最基本的業務管理 |
| 00:07:06,640 | 00:07:08,920 | 讓人非常的失望 |
| 00:07:08,960 | 00:07:13,200 | 207年絕標的原廣台基地台設置案 |
| 00:07:13,200 | 00:07:16,240 | 預計要10個月之後就完工了 |
| 00:07:16,240 | 00:07:19,240 | 但是到現在歷經10年 |
| 00:07:19,240 | 00:07:21,200 | 你們完成了三戰 |
| 00:07:21,200 | 00:07:24,000 | 整體的進度只有15% |
| 00:07:24,000 | 00:07:27,120 | 請問這10年到底發生了什麼事情 |
| 00:07:29,320 | 00:07:31,320 | 這10年發生了什麼事 |
| 00:07:33,200 | 00:07:35,400 | 我想這個在履約的過程 |
| 00:07:35,440 | 00:07:39,919 | 我們這個廠商他已經沒有要繼續履約了 |
| 00:07:39,919 | 00:07:43,520 | 那當然在這個過程裡面有很多的爭議產生 |
| 00:07:43,520 | 00:07:45,560 | 那我們也提報了採購法的101 |
| 00:07:45,560 | 00:07:48,120 | 針對這個廠商的部分來做一些處理 |
| 00:07:48,120 | 00:07:52,280 | 後續我們事實上也可能會再重新採購 |
| 00:07:52,280 | 00:07:53,919 | 另外就是針對那些 |
| 00:07:53,919 | 00:07:55,000 | 在這個過程裡面 |
| 00:07:55,000 | 00:07:59,280 | 有一些相關的損失會要求這個廠商來承擔 |
| 00:07:59,280 | 00:08:03,799 | 傅主任你今天你剛剛說的這些部分 |
| 00:08:04,400 | 00:08:07,080 | 10年我們就只聽到這樣的答案嗎 |
| 00:08:07,080 | 00:08:08,600 | 原民會你們是 |
| 00:08:08,600 | 00:08:12,360 | 請問一下誰分管原文會的事務 |
| 00:08:12,360 | 00:08:14,200 | 哪一位副主委 |
| 00:08:15,520 | 00:08:19,040 | 這個是原民會是不是要監督 |
| 00:08:19,040 | 00:08:19,560 | 是 |
| 00:08:19,560 | 00:08:22,160 | 還是原民會自己的責任 |
| 00:08:23,400 | 00:08:25,640 | 這個工作事實上在 |
| 00:08:25,640 | 00:08:27,400 | 你們有副主委三位 |
| 00:08:27,400 | 00:08:29,200 | 我們將決了以後給原文會 |
| 00:08:29,200 | 00:08:31,200 | 對你們有三位副主委 |
| 00:08:31,200 | 00:08:33,480 | 誰在負責這一個部分 |
| 00:08:34,039 | 00:08:36,000 | 原則上是陳副 |
| 00:08:37,200 | 00:08:38,159 | 陳副主委 |
| 00:08:38,159 | 00:08:39,400 | 陳副主委 |
| 00:08:39,400 | 00:08:41,560 | 那請問他知道這件事情嗎 |
| 00:08:42,320 | 00:08:46,000 | 那請問陳副主委之前是誰在分管 |
| 00:08:46,000 | 00:08:49,000 | 我剛剛說了107年絕標 |
| 00:08:49,000 | 00:08:51,280 | 你剛剛說是因為廠商的問題 |
| 00:08:51,280 | 00:08:55,160 | 但是這十年來卻沒有人對這個廠商 |
| 00:08:55,160 | 00:08:58,040 | 或者是這件事情關心過 |
| 00:08:58,040 | 00:09:01,200 | 又不是我在今年的預算裡面 |
| 00:09:01,200 | 00:09:03,080 | 凍結你們的預算 |
| 00:09:03,080 | 00:09:05,640 | 然後請要求你們要說明 |
| 00:09:05,640 | 00:09:07,640 | 是不是還在拖十年 |
| 00:09:09,000 | 00:09:10,040 | 請問一下副主委 |
| 00:09:10,040 | 00:09:10,440 | 不會 |
| 00:09:10,440 | 00:09:12,520 | 那之前是那個中興華 |
| 00:09:12,520 | 00:09:14,520 | 他業管這個 |
| 00:09:14,520 | 00:09:16,040 | 好他已經退休了對不對 |
| 00:09:16,040 | 00:09:16,360 | 對 |
| 00:09:16,360 | 00:09:17,480 | 那請問 |
| 00:09:17,480 | 00:09:18,840 | 請問 |
| 00:09:18,840 | 00:09:20,360 | 你們可不可以明確承諾 |
| 00:09:20,360 | 00:09:23,160 | 目前還有17站沒有完成的 |
| 00:09:23,160 | 00:09:25,160 | 你們是要什麼時候完成 |
| 00:09:26,280 | 00:09:28,840 | 好我請那個業務單位來跟委員說明一下 |
| 00:09:28,840 | 00:09:29,880 | 好謝謝 |
| 00:09:29,960 | 00:09:30,439 | 委員好 |
| 00:09:30,439 | 00:09:31,880 | 我跟你們報告一下 |
| 00:09:31,880 | 00:09:34,680 | 整個原住民主廣播台站台的籌勢進度 |
| 00:09:34,680 | 00:09:37,560 | 整個中華南基隆要完成的是37站 |
| 00:09:37,560 | 00:09:40,439 | 那目前已經建構完成的是32站 |
| 00:09:40,439 | 00:09:43,880 | 那集團5站也會在梅山站用它的地形 |
| 00:09:43,880 | 00:09:46,040 | 跟用地的取得是非常大的問題 |
| 00:09:46,040 | 00:09:47,880 | 目前可能還要再重新規劃 |
| 00:09:47,880 | 00:09:48,600 | 剛剛紅路委員講過 |
| 00:09:48,600 | 00:09:52,439 | 那還有4站在明年中旬一定要完成 |
| 00:09:52,439 | 00:09:54,200 | 那你們還沒有完成的 |
| 00:09:54,200 | 00:09:55,400 | 你們要怎麼解決 |
| 00:09:55,400 | 00:09:55,960 | 那目前 |
| 00:09:55,960 | 00:09:57,960 | 剛剛紅路委員已經交集了 |
| 00:09:57,960 | 00:09:59,960 | 你們是不是可以橫向聯繫 |
| 00:09:59,960 | 00:10:03,080 | 請其他的部會來幫你們 |
| 00:10:03,080 | 00:10:05,480 | 其實我們現在在想跟其他的 |
| 00:10:05,480 | 00:10:07,560 | 民間廣播台還是國家廣播台 |
| 00:10:07,560 | 00:10:09,560 | 但如果在當地的站台 |
| 00:10:09,560 | 00:10:11,800 | 我們可以透過跟他們掛架的方式 |
| 00:10:11,800 | 00:10:12,840 | 來解決這樣的問題 |
| 00:10:12,840 | 00:10:13,240 | 很好 |
| 00:10:13,240 | 00:10:15,880 | 請問一下今天質詢完了之後 |
| 00:10:15,880 | 00:10:18,040 | 誰要負責這件事 |
| 00:10:18,040 | 00:10:19,640 | 這個事情我會親自來主導 |
| 00:10:19,640 | 00:10:22,520 | 因為這個過去一年多了 |
| 00:10:22,520 | 00:10:24,360 | 我也持續在要求這個事情 |
| 00:10:24,360 | 00:10:25,960 | 好所以你的意思是說 |
| 00:10:25,960 | 00:10:27,240 | 今年會完成全部 |
| 00:10:28,200 | 00:10:29,000 | 明年 |
| 00:10:29,000 | 00:10:30,520 | 明年會完成全部 |
| 00:10:30,520 | 00:10:31,560 | 除了梅山站以外 |
| 00:10:31,560 | 00:10:33,800 | 因為梅山站的確有很大很大問題 |
| 00:10:33,800 | 00:10:35,640 | 因為用地取得包括 |
| 00:10:35,640 | 00:10:39,640 | 它的整個地形在整個建構上是非常困難的 |
| 00:10:39,640 | 00:10:42,200 | 那我們現在在搬到梅山可能就沒辦法做 |
| 00:10:42,200 | 00:10:42,520 | 好的 |
| 00:10:42,520 | 00:10:43,960 | 那有其他地方說是的 |
| 00:10:43,960 | 00:10:44,440 | OK |
| 00:10:44,440 | 00:10:45,400 | 因為時間的關係 |
| 00:10:45,400 | 00:10:47,000 | 我們不希望這延宕10年了 |
| 00:10:47,000 | 00:10:47,320 | 好嗎 |
| 00:10:47,320 | 00:10:47,720 | 沒有 |
| 00:10:47,720 | 00:10:50,120 | 這是族人的收拾權益 |
| 00:10:50,120 | 00:10:50,680 | 好嗎 |
| 00:10:50,680 | 00:10:51,480 | 另外不好意思 |
| 00:10:51,480 | 00:10:52,760 | 稍微再給我一點點時間 |
| 00:10:52,760 | 00:10:53,480 | 我要問的是 |
| 00:10:53,480 | 00:10:56,440 | 今天我們有原住民基本法的宣法 |
| 00:10:56,920 | 00:10:58,280 | 那麼這個法 |
| 00:10:58,280 | 00:11:00,200 | 從94年我上任以後 |
| 00:11:00,200 | 00:11:03,240 | 我們推動到現在沒有機會 |
| 00:11:03,240 | 00:11:05,720 | 依照現在族人的需求 |
| 00:11:05,720 | 00:11:07,560 | 我們來通膛檢討 |
| 00:11:07,560 | 00:11:09,000 | 今天終於有了 |
| 00:11:09,000 | 00:11:10,360 | 那麼我呢 |
| 00:11:10,360 | 00:11:13,160 | 也提出了15條的修正條文 |
| 00:11:13,160 | 00:11:15,160 | 約戰全法的4成 |
| 00:11:15,160 | 00:11:17,400 | 這涵蓋了民族會議 |
| 00:11:17,400 | 00:11:18,440 | 自治制度 |
| 00:11:18,440 | 00:11:20,520 | 綜合發展基金跟傳統領域 |
| 00:11:20,520 | 00:11:23,640 | 還有都會原住民的權益等等重要議題 |
| 00:11:23,640 | 00:11:24,920 | 請問一下副主委 |
| 00:11:24,920 | 00:11:26,520 | 原民會你們支持嗎 |
| 00:11:26,520 | 00:11:28,760 | 你們支持說法嗎 |
| 00:11:28,760 | 00:11:30,040 | 支持 |
| 00:11:30,040 | 00:11:32,599 | 但是有些條文我們都有在檢視 |
| 00:11:32,599 | 00:11:34,360 | 那到時候我們再逐條審查 |
| 00:11:34,360 | 00:11:34,920 | 好沒問題 |
| 00:11:34,920 | 00:11:35,479 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:11:35,479 | 00:11:37,240 | 好我今天要先跟你講的是 |
| 00:11:37,240 | 00:11:39,240 | 我一直在講的綜合發展基金 |
| 00:11:39,240 | 00:11:41,079 | 我要請教你三個問題 |
| 00:11:41,079 | 00:11:41,959 | 很快很快 |
| 00:11:41,959 | 00:11:42,680 | 第一個 |
| 00:11:42,680 | 00:11:44,439 | 有人認為綜合發展基金 |
| 00:11:44,439 | 00:11:47,959 | 目前的累積短錯了68.7億 |
| 00:11:47,959 | 00:11:51,319 | 是因為原民會你經營不善造成的 |
| 00:11:51,319 | 00:11:53,079 | 你同意這樣的說法嗎 |
| 00:11:54,040 | 00:11:56,440 | 我想主要還是進法補償的 |
| 00:11:56,440 | 00:12:00,120 | 所以是你們經營不善造成的嗎 |
| 00:12:00,120 | 00:12:04,120 | 累積短錯那麼多錢 |
| 00:12:04,120 | 00:12:04,920 | 應該不是啦 |
| 00:12:04,920 | 00:12:05,400 | 應該不是 |
| 00:12:05,400 | 00:12:06,840 | 主要還是進法補償的經費 |
| 00:12:06,840 | 00:12:07,560 | 應該不是 |
| 00:12:07,560 | 00:12:08,200 | 好第二 |
| 00:12:08,200 | 00:12:11,320 | 有人認為這個基金的業務不多 |
| 00:12:11,320 | 00:12:15,160 | 所以呢不需要每年撥補23億 |
| 00:12:15,160 | 00:12:16,920 | 你同意嗎 |
| 00:12:16,920 | 00:12:21,720 | 我覺得依法應該要到多少的經費 |
| 00:12:21,720 | 00:12:22,360 | 很好 |
| 00:12:22,360 | 00:12:25,240 | 尤其115年的時候 |
| 00:12:25,240 | 00:12:27,400 | 我做過主決議 |
| 00:12:27,400 | 00:12:29,400 | 希望我們的行政院 |
| 00:12:29,400 | 00:12:32,440 | 每年能夠23億撥補進來 |
| 00:12:32,440 | 00:12:33,160 | 對不對 |
| 00:12:33,160 | 00:12:34,440 | 好第三個 |
| 00:12:34,440 | 00:12:37,000 | 也有人認為未來兩年 |
| 00:12:37,000 | 00:12:40,360 | 原本要還給族人的63億 |
| 00:12:40,360 | 00:12:42,680 | 他只要還10億就可以了 |
| 00:12:42,680 | 00:12:44,440 | 原民會你同意這件事情嗎 |
| 00:12:45,560 | 00:12:49,080 | 我們是持續跟族總這邊來協調 |
| 00:12:49,080 | 00:12:51,240 | 說因為當時也有立法院的決議 |
| 00:12:51,240 | 00:12:52,440 | 我們希望能夠儘快的 |
| 00:12:52,440 | 00:12:53,480 | 很好 |
| 00:12:53,480 | 00:12:55,480 | 我剛剛以上講的這三個 |
| 00:12:55,480 | 00:12:58,680 | 我的問題全部都是行政院的見解 |
| 00:12:58,680 | 00:13:01,320 | 行政院的秘書長就在這個地方 |
| 00:13:01,320 | 00:13:03,960 | 回答我這樣的問題 |
| 00:13:03,960 | 00:13:06,120 | 當然主計總處說 |
| 00:13:06,120 | 00:13:09,880 | 每年明年還給族人10億就好了 |
| 00:13:09,880 | 00:13:10,920 | 當然你也說了 |
| 00:13:10,920 | 00:13:12,920 | 這不符合立法院的主決議 |
| 00:13:12,920 | 00:13:15,240 | 這個主決議也是我做的 |
| 00:13:15,240 | 00:13:18,760 | 所以我可以在這邊毫不客氣的說 |
| 00:13:18,920 | 00:13:23,000 | 行政院你們就是要霸凌族人 |
| 00:13:23,000 | 00:13:26,280 | 你們就是在霸凌原民會 |
| 00:13:26,280 | 00:13:28,920 | 原民會給你們那麼多的公文 |
| 00:13:28,920 | 00:13:30,520 | 再次的請求你們 |
| 00:13:30,520 | 00:13:34,920 | 請你們撥補完整中發基金的預算 |
| 00:13:34,920 | 00:13:39,560 | 要不然中發基金真的不能夠做事了 |
| 00:13:39,560 | 00:13:42,120 | 但是他只給10億 |
| 00:13:42,120 | 00:13:46,120 | 我希望今天這是我在這裡最後一次的質詢 |
| 00:13:46,120 | 00:13:47,720 | 行政院長你有聽到 |
| 00:13:47,720 | 00:13:50,120 | 我今天在這裡質詢的話 |
| 00:13:50,120 | 00:13:53,320 | 還有族人我們應該憤怒 |
| 00:13:53,320 | 00:13:55,240 | 立法院的主決議 |
| 00:13:55,240 | 00:13:58,760 | 而且這個基金剛剛副主委講過了 |
| 00:13:58,760 | 00:14:03,960 | 是我們族人立法通過的禁法補償 |
| 00:14:03,960 | 00:14:05,160 | 本來是3萬塊 |
| 00:14:05,160 | 00:14:07,960 | 現在多了3萬變6萬 |
| 00:14:07,960 | 00:14:11,640 | 然後行政院不想要旅行 |
| 00:14:11,640 | 00:14:16,280 | 所以就在中和發展基金裡面給我們延大嗎 |
| 00:14:16,360 | 00:14:19,079 | 然後修理我們的原民會嗎 |
| 00:14:19,079 | 00:14:22,439 | 讓原民會在其他的業務上不能夠做事嗎 |
| 00:14:22,439 | 00:14:23,959 | 是這樣子嗎 |
| 00:14:23,959 | 00:14:25,240 | 如果是這樣子的話 |
| 00:14:25,240 | 00:14:27,880 | 行政院長你太可惡了 |
| 00:14:27,880 | 00:14:29,319 | 我希望今天 |
| 00:14:29,319 | 00:14:31,240 | 這也是我最後在這邊講到 |
| 00:14:31,240 | 00:14:33,480 | 中發基金的最後一次質詢 |
| 00:14:33,480 | 00:14:35,319 | 原民會要硬起來 |
| 00:14:35,319 | 00:14:36,520 | 您剛剛說過了 |
| 00:14:36,520 | 00:14:38,439 | 主決議已經做了 |
| 00:14:38,439 | 00:14:44,439 | 中和發展基金本來就應該要撥補完整 |
| 00:14:44,520 | 00:14:49,080 | 如果我們今天行政院不撥補完整 |
| 00:14:49,080 | 00:14:53,240 | 那做多少的主決議也沒有用 |
| 00:14:53,240 | 00:14:56,680 | 就算我在原基法裡面要修這個 |
| 00:14:56,680 | 00:14:59,000 | 我相信他也會不附屬 |
| 00:14:59,000 | 00:15:01,640 | 所以原民會我們一起加油好不好 |
| 00:15:01,640 | 00:15:04,440 | 我們一起加油好不好 |
| 00:15:04,440 | 00:15:06,680 | 相信院裡面也會考量原民會的處理 |
| 00:15:06,680 | 00:15:07,480 | 希望 |
| 00:15:07,480 | 00:15:10,920 | 你要不要這個大聲的跟行政院長喊話 |
| 00:15:10,920 | 00:15:13,800 | 卓院長希望你聽到我們的聲音 |
| 00:15:13,800 | 00:15:18,280 | 中和發展基金麻煩撥補完整 |
| 00:15:18,280 | 00:15:21,400 | 他會按照我們的需求來配合 |
| 00:15:21,400 | 00:15:23,400 | 我剛剛已經問你三個問題了 |
| 00:15:23,400 | 00:15:25,400 | 你都說第一不是原民會的責任 |
| 00:15:25,400 | 00:15:27,000 | 不是你們經營不善 |
| 00:15:27,000 | 00:15:29,560 | 然後也不是因為你們基金業務不多 |
| 00:15:29,560 | 00:15:31,319 | 所以不需要這個錢 |
| 00:15:31,319 | 00:15:32,920 | 然後 |
| 00:15:32,920 | 00:15:34,280 | 主決議也做了 |
| 00:15:34,280 | 00:15:35,959 | 你剛剛也回答我的問題了 |
| 00:15:35,959 | 00:15:39,000 | 請勇敢的跟卓院長說 |
| 00:15:39,000 | 00:15:41,000 | 請你不要再霸凌族人了 |
| 00:15:41,000 | 00:15:41,719 | 好嗎 |
| 00:15:41,719 | 00:15:43,719 | 謝謝 |
| 00:15:43,800 | 00:15:45,800 | 謝謝 |