| IVOD_ID |
170769 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170769 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
21 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-30T09:24:05+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-30T09:37:51+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:46 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e0eb45d9b4eab070238b04b732f88aaf6914948a5b0a2b3dbcb989a50a447022b00dc349e71b59095ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
許忠信 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:24:05 - 09:37:51 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請原住民族委員會主任委員、文化部、國家通訊傳播委員會、財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會就「『海路－南島語族航海計畫』、『國際原住民族傳統競技文化交流族語節目（世界原住民族傳統運動會）』、『原住民族廣播電臺訊源傳輸及監控系統設備建置與相關基地台設置』等重大計畫執行進度、經費運用及成果認定檢討」進行專題報告，並備質詢。二、「原住民身分法」等11案：(一)繼續審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具「原住民身分法第二條條文修正草案」案。(二)繼續審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等18人擬具「原住民身分法部分條文修正草案」案。(三)繼續審查委員郭國文等16人擬具「原住民身分法修正草案」案。(四)繼續審查委員林宜瑾等22人擬具「原住民身分法第十一條條文修正草案」案。(五)繼續審查委員高金素梅等17人擬具「原住民身分法刪除第十一條條文草案」案。(六)繼續審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等20人擬具「原住民身分法第七條條文修正草案」案。(七)審查委員黃仁等19人擬具「原住民身分法第二條條文修正草案」案。(八)審查委員黃仁等18人擬具「原住民身分法第七條條文修正草案」案。(九)審查委員盧縣一等17人擬具「原住民身分法第四條條文修正草案」案。(十)審查委員陳瑩等16人擬具「原住民身分法第五條條文修正草案」案。(十一)審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等18人擬具「原住民身分法第七條條文修正草案」案。三、「原住民族基本法」等15案：(一)繼續審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人擬具「原住民族基本法增訂第二條之二條文草案」案。(二)繼續審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等17人擬具「原住民族基本法第二十一條條文修正草案」案。(三)繼續審查委員高金素梅等21人擬具「原住民族基本法部分條文修正草案」案。(四)繼續審查委員黃仁等30人擬具「原住民族基本法第十九條條文修正草案」案。(五)繼續審查委員黃仁等26人擬具「原住民族基本法第十五條條文修正草案」案。(六)繼續審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具「原住民族基本法增訂第六條之一條文草案」案。(七)繼續審查委員黃仁等20人擬具「原住民族基本法增訂第二十八條之一條文草案」案。(八)繼續審查委員黃仁等22人擬具「原住民族基本法第十條條文修正草案」案。(九)繼續審查委員黃仁等21人擬具「原住民族基本法第六條條文修正草案」案。(十)繼續審查委員高金素梅等20人擬具「原住民族基本法第十八條條文修正草案」案。(十一)繼續審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等17人擬具「原住民族基本法第十八條條文修正草案」案。(十二)繼續審查委員盧縣一等18人擬具「原住民族基本法部分條文修正草案」案。(十三)審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等17人擬具「原住民族基本法部分條文修正草案」案。(十四)審查委員林宜瑾等18人擬具「原住民族基本法第二條條文修正草案」案。(十五)審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等21人擬具「原住民族基本法第二十一條、第二十一條之一及第二十一條之二條文修正草案」案。【法案進行逐條審查】） |
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0 |
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2 |
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主委他大概是 |
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2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].end |
4 |
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好 |
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4 |
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6 |
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好 沒關係 |
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6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].end |
8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].text |
副主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].start |
10 |
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12 |
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主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].start |
12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].end |
14 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].text |
我今天有幾個問題要來請教您 |
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14 |
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16 |
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不過我的主軸是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
16 |
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18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
我如果有用翻字 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
20 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
就沒有不敬 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
20 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
24 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
我們到國民政府來以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
24 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
29 |
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佐政的評估組都還要到我們新市來 |
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29 |
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31 |
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認親 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
31 |
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33 |
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我們都把它叫做法納幾親 |
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33 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
35 |
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我今天是要來跟你認親 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
35 |
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37 |
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第一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
37 |
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39 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
跟您請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
39 |
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41 |
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我們希拉亞族原住民身份 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
41 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
43 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
在行政院現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
43 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
45 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
的進度如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
45 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
47 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
跟我們報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
47 |
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49 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
今天早上就是希拉亞族 |
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49 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
51 |
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正名的記者會 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
51 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
53 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
今天那個院長會公布 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
53 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
55 |
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那接下來在8月中旬以後 |
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55 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
57 |
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我們會開始做身份的登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
57 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
59 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
我認為希拉亞原則上是 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
59 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
61 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
已經完成了這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
61 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
63 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
階段性的一個工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
63 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
65 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
後續當然登記還有他的過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
65 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
67 |
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那這些我們都已經有做充分的準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
67 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
69 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
太好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
69 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
71 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
因為剛好這幾天 |
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71 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
73 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
新化國小 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
73 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
75 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
在核定獎學金 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
75 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
77 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
如果有原民身份的 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
77 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
79 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
他們就可以申請獎學金 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
79 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
81 |
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所以這個是遲來的正義 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
81 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
83 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
非常的好 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
83 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
85 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
第二個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
85 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
87 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
這個主委您仔細看喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
87 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
89 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
我們希拉亞族 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
89 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
91 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
在台南五大社 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
91 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
93 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
蕭龍 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
93 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
95 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
木家六灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
95 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
97 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
新港馬豆大木匠 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
97 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
99 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
大木匠就是新化了 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
99 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
101 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
這五色的色名 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
101 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
103 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
你有沒有看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
103 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
105 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
新港這兩個字是 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
105 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
107 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
純漢字 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
107 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
109 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
它跟其他四個不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
109 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
111 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
其他四個是從 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
111 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
113 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
平埔嶼用漢字寫下來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
113 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
115 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
蕭龍啊木家六灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
115 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
117 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
大木匠 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
117 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
119 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
所以只有新港 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
119 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
121 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
為什麼會這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
121 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
123 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
這個問題很難 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
123 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
125 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
所以不是要來為難您 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
125 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
127 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
各位看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
127 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
129 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
明朝的歷史 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
129 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
131 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
他們認為林鳳 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
131 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
133 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
林鳳就是我們台南 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
133 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
135 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
這個林鳳營 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
135 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
137 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
各位喝牛奶那個林鳳營 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
137 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
139 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
林鳳 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
139 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
141 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
他1574年 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
141 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
143 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
在新港設強米樑 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
143 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
145 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
但是1603年 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
145 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
147 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
沉地的東藩寺 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
147 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
149 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
在記載 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
149 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
151 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
我們東藩的居地的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
151 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
153 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
他有講到 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
153 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
155 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
雙溪口 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
155 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
157 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
這個雙溪口很顯然是 |
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157 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
159 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
漢字的地名 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
159 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
161 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
是漢人在那邊住 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
161 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
163 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
這叫雙溪口 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
163 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
165 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
他沒有提到新港 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
165 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
167 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
新港現在就是新式南科地區 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
167 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
169 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
169 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
171 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
欸 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
171 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
173 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
沉地沒有提到新港 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
175 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
177 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
因為沉地寫東藩寺 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
177 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
179 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
是在新港寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
179 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
181 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
而新港 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
181 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
183 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
183 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
185 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
兩個漢字 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
185 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
187 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
我個人判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
187 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
189 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
是日語 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
189 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
191 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
是日語 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
191 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
193 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
形括 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
193 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
195 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
我怎麼講 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
195 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
197 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
因為根據 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
197 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
199 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
東藩寺的記載 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
199 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
201 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
明家精末 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
201 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
203 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
黑鴻用火槍 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
203 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
205 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
火沖 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
205 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
207 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
來攻打東藩 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
207 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
209 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
東藩不敵退入山 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
209 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
211 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
所以黑鴻 |
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211 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
213 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
日本黑鴻 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
213 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
215 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
來打東藩應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
215 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
217 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
沒有撤退 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
217 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
219 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
而留在新寺 |
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219 |
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221 |
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所以把當地地名 |
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221 |
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223 |
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取為新港 |
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223 |
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225 |
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所以新港這個地名在我們 |
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225 |
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227 |
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明朝的歷史很早就出現 |
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227 |
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229 |
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1574年就有 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
229 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
231 |
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所以我 |
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231 |
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233 |
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推估他 |
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233 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
235 |
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有日本 |
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235 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
237 |
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取名的可能性 |
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237 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
239 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
那我講這個故事 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
239 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
241 |
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就是要讓各位知道 |
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241 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
243 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
我們台灣是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
243 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
245 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
多族群融合出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
245 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
247 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
尤其是平地地區 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
247 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
249 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
族群融合出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
249 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
251 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
也有日本學童 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
251 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
253 |
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留在台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
253 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
255 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
那也有漢人的學童 |
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255 |
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257 |
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留在台灣 |
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257 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
259 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
那當然他們娶的老婆 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
259 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
261 |
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大部分都是我們的原住民 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
261 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
263 |
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這就是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
263 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
265 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
形式我們台灣民族認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
265 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
267 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
一個很重要的論點 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
269 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
271 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
那我怎麼來證明這個呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
271 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
273 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
各位我用兩個 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
273 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
275 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
台語的俗諺 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
275 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
277 |
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一個母親比較好生的天公座 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
279 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
281 |
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娶一個母親比較好生的天公座 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
281 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
283 |
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父子圍你有聽過 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
283 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
285 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
這個俗諺嗎 |
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285 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
287 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
287 |
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289 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
天上天公地下母骨公 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
289 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
291 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
天上是天公地下母骨公 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
291 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
293 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
對母骨非常尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
295 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
297 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
只可以故 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
299 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
301 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
這是因為 |
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301 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
303 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
當時漢人來都是男生 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
303 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
305 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
都入贅到 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
305 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
307 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
平埔族家中 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
307 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
309 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
平埔族是母系社會 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
309 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
311 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
繼承人家的家產 |
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311 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
313 |
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所以娶一個母親 |
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313 |
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315 |
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比較好生的天公座 |
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315 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
317 |
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所以我們台灣人愛母 |
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317 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
319 |
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疼母是這個傳統 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
319 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
321 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
天上天公地下母骨公 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
323 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
325 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
因為母骨也去給 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
325 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
327 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
結婚去 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
327 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
329 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
去旅行那 |
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329 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
331 |
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但是母骨的財產稍微去給 |
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331 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
333 |
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我來繼承就對了 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
333 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
335 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
天上天公地下母骨公 |
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335 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
337 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
母骨對回來的母 |
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337 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
339 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
因為那是她的財產 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
339 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
341 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
去給我繼承來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
341 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
343 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
這道理就是這樣來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
343 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
345 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
所以我在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
345 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
347 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
主委這樣報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
347 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
349 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
我們要去看這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
349 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
351 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
西拉雅族跟漢族 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
351 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
353 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
閩南人 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
353 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
355 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
他們的通婚的狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
357 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
359 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
那麼我們仍然有 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
359 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
361 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
保留一些純的 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
361 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
363 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
平埔族 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
363 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
365 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
在台南 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
365 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
367 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
我們新化的新和社區 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
369 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
371 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
那我們剛才講的 |
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371 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
373 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
五個西拉雅族 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
373 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
375 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
有一個社叫做麻豆社 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
375 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
377 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
現在麻豆地區 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
377 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
379 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
379 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
381 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
副主委麻豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
381 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
383 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
Mata |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
383 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
385 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
它是什麼意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
387 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
389 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
Mata眼睛 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
389 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
391 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
沒錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
391 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
393 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
現在南島語族的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
393 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
395 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
大家都還是用Mata做眼睛 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
395 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
397 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
跟我們麻豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
397 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
399 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
眼睛是一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
399 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
401 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
所以表示你看我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
401 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
403 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
西拉雅族 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
403 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
405 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
跟南島語族 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
405 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
407 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
其實是同源 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
407 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
409 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
其實是同源 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
409 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
411 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
411 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
413 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
我們可以看到 |
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413 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
415 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
台灣跟南島語族的 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
415 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
417 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
國家之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
417 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
419 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
有非常親密的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
419 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
421 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
但是也不否認 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
421 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
423 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
它跟日本也有關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
423 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
425 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
我們在荷蘭 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
425 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
427 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
1624年來台灣以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
427 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
429 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
因為荷蘭人的待遇 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
429 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
431 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
我們新港社 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
431 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
433 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
有一條船 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
433 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
435 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
載很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
435 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
437 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
新港社的人到 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
437 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
439 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
江戶 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
439 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
441 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
去告東洋狀 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
441 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
443 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
不是告洋狀而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
443 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
445 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
而江戶幕府 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
445 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
447 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
是由 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
447 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
449 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
德川 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
449 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
451 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
將軍親自來接待 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
453 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
455 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
副主委您知道為什麼要這麼多人 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
457 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
459 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
去跟幕府報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
459 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
461 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
要去告東洋狀 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
461 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
463 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
一個人就可以告 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
463 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
465 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
為什麼要這麼多人去 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
465 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
467 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
去江戶不用錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
467 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
469 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
去那邊吃住不用錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
469 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
471 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
為什麼要那麼多人去 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
471 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
473 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
那表示說新港社有共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
473 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
475 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
我們各地的 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
475 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
477 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
首領我們都同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
477 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
479 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
我們都來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
479 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
481 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
所以幕府你出兵攻打荷蘭人 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
481 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
483 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
荷蘭人對我們不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
483 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
485 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
我們社有共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
485 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
487 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
這麼多人都來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
487 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
489 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
這是我的解讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
489 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
491 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
所以我們可以看到新港社 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
491 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
493 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
跟日本的關係是這麼密切 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
495 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
497 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
所以荷蘭人的文獻記載 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
497 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
499 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
荷蘭人來的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
499 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
501 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
已經有日本人 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
501 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
503 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
160人的移民區 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
503 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
505 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
而且有領袖 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
505 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
507 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
而且有領袖 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
507 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
509 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
所以中國說台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
509 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
511 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
歷史上屬於中國那是 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
511 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
513 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
rubbish 亂講 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
513 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
515 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
他不是只有這樣亂講而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
515 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
517 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
各位看到第七點 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
517 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
519 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
中國最近說八丹群島是他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
519 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
521 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
領土 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
521 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
523 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
他享有主權 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
523 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
525 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
他的根據為何 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
527 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
529 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
他主要是認為說在語言上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
529 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
跟文化跟藍語的達悟主 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
533 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
有非常多的相似 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
533 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
535 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
甚至是同一個族群 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
535 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
537 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
這樣的認知 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
537 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
539 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
這樣的認知沒辦法成立 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
539 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
541 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
因為到1874年 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
541 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
543 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
牡丹社事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
543 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
545 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
日本人要出兵的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
545 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
547 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
中國清朝 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
547 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
549 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
還跟他講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
549 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
551 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
仿寮以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
551 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
553 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
叫化外之地狼橋十八社 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
553 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
555 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
那其實他 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
555 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
557 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
史卡羅 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
557 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
559 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
他有一個王叫 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
559 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
561 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
德吉多 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
561 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
563 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
卓紀篤 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
563 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
565 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
德吉多 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
565 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
567 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
李先德跟他非常好 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
569 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
571 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
所以我們可以看到清朝到1874年 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
571 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
573 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
仍然 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
573 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
575 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
說 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
575 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
577 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
仿寮以下是化外之地 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
577 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
579 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
那藍語也是化外之地 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
579 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
581 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
台東 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
581 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
583 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
屏東很多是化外之地 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
583 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
585 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
那怎麼可以說 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
585 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
587 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
八丹群島是屬於中國 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
587 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
589 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
東部大概都是為認定在化外之地 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
589 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
591 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
是啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
591 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
593 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
只有少數幾個地方在台東花蓮那幾個 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
593 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
595 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
平地 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
595 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
597 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
那我們可以看到八丹群島 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
597 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
599 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
跟藍語之間的 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
599 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
601 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
航行中斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
601 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
603 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
剛才您包括航行300多年 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
603 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
605 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
中斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
605 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
607 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
這中斷的原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
607 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
609 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
為何啊航海技術應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
609 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
611 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
更進步啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
611 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
613 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
為什麼會中斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
613 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
615 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
我看這些文獻大概是 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
615 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
617 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
提到說當時有一些衝突 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
617 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
619 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
衝突事件然後造成彼此之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
619 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
621 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
後來就沒有再同航 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
621 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
623 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
這個衝突是西班牙人造成 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
623 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
625 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
也就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
625 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
627 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
西班牙控制菲律賓的程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
627 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
629 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
已經連八丹群島 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
629 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
631 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
也受到控制 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
631 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
633 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
所以是 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
633 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
635 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
西班牙人控制造成 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
635 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
637 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
我們這兩族之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
637 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
639 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
航行沒辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
639 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
641 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
繼續我個人的解讀是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
641 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
643 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
所以你們這個計畫非常好 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
643 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
645 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
而且我鼓勵你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
645 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
647 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
跟南島語族不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
647 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
649 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
只有跟八丹群島 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
649 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
651 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
我們跟斐濟 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
651 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
653 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
甚至跟紐西蘭 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
653 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
657 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
紐西蘭的戰舞啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
657 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
661 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
紐西蘭的戰舞跟我們原住民 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
661 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
663 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
那個舞蹈非常像 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
663 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
665 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
所以那個很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
665 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
667 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
文化上的相同性 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
667 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
669 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
我們在外交上 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
669 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
671 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
要利用這一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
671 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
673 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
所以我今天來跟您認清 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
673 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
675 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
是有目的的 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
675 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
677 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
也就是說我們要跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
677 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
679 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
紐西蘭 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
679 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
681 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
還有甚至火地島 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
681 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
683 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
阿根廷的火地島 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
683 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
685 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
還有斐濟等這些國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
685 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
687 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
改善外交關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
687 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
689 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
有賴 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
689 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
691 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
我們的原住民出力 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
693 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
695 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
要用這個關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
695 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
697 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
因為同遠 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
697 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
699 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
你們現在怎麼不承認台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
699 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
701 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
我們現在台灣跟你們的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
701 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
703 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
應該可以更緊密 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
703 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
705 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
而不是只有 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
705 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
707 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
這個帕拉奧 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
707 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
709 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
應該還有更多的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
709 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
711 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
我們可以藉由原住民 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
711 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
713 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
跟他們的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
713 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
715 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
來改善我們現在的外交關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
715 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
717 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
包括斐濟啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
717 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
719 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
紐西蘭啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
719 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
721 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
甚至夏威夷也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
721 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
723 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
甚至夏威夷也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
723 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
725 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
所以拜託副主委往這個方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
725 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
727 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
協助我們的外交 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
727 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
729 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
跟我們報告事實上會裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
729 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
731 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
所以這個南島語族的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
731 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
733 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
文化交流都已經進行了非常多年 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
733 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
735 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
甚至你剛剛講的什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
735 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
737 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
紐西蘭那些事實上我們有相關的平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
737 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
739 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
在做不管是經貿 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
739 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
741 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
文化交流還有一些博物館 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].start |
741 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
743 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
各方面我們都有在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].start |
743 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
745 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
這種所謂原住民族的文化交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
745 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
747 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
在外交上會有一些注意 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
747 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
749 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
不只有注意 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
749 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
751 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
所以我今天來拜託您 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].start |
751 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
753 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
就是要原住民出兵 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].start |
753 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
755 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
要原住民出力 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
755 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
757 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
來協助我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
757 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
759 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
做一個困頓的外交 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
759 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
761 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
要協助一個最簡單的 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].start |
761 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
763 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
我們看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].start |
763 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
765 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
公家啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].start |
765 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
767 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
諾魯他們上次來參加我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].start |
767 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
769 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
海洋論壇我兩天都在那邊學習 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
769 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
771 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
他們來都講英文 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].start |
771 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
773 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
我們這邊當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
773 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
775 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
也講英文 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].start |
775 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
777 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
我內心在想如果能夠講他們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].start |
777 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
779 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
原住民的語文 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].start |
779 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
781 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
主語 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].start |
781 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
783 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
那不知道多好 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].start |
783 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
785 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
有沒有可能我們培養我們原住民的 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].start |
785 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
787 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
外交人才 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].start |
787 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
789 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
我們常年都在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].start |
789 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
791 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
我們每一年都有國際人才培訓 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].start |
791 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
793 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
尤其南島的部分也有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].start |
793 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].end |
795 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
我們原住民的族人來參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].start |
795 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
797 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].text |
甚至國外的 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].start |
797 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].end |
799 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
這些在我們國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].start |
799 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].end |
801 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
族族的都有請他們一起來參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].start |
801 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].end |
803 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
國際人才的培訓 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].start |
803 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].end |
805 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
那外交部有沒有把他入籍為外交部的官員 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].start |
805 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
807 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
這個還要再 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].start |
807 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
809 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].text |
繼續努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].start |
809 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
811 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
這個我會督促他 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].start |
811 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
813 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
今天我們一定要培養這方面的人才 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].start |
813 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
815 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
協助我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].start |
815 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
817 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
拓展對南島為之國家的外交 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].start |
817 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
819 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
非常謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].start |
819 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
821 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].text |
吳主委的回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].start |
821 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
823 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].text |
謝謝 |