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許忠信 @ 第11屆第5會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:02,000 | 主委他大概是 |
| 00:00:02,000 | 00:00:04,000 | 好 |
| 00:00:04,000 | 00:00:06,000 | 好 沒關係 |
| 00:00:06,000 | 00:00:08,000 | 副主委 |
| 00:00:10,000 | 00:00:12,000 | 主委好 |
| 00:00:12,000 | 00:00:14,000 | 我今天有幾個問題要來請教您 |
| 00:00:14,000 | 00:00:16,000 | 不過我的主軸是這樣 |
| 00:00:16,000 | 00:00:18,000 | 我如果有用翻字 |
| 00:00:18,000 | 00:00:20,000 | 就沒有不敬 |
| 00:00:20,000 | 00:00:24,000 | 我們到國民政府來以後 |
| 00:00:24,000 | 00:00:29,000 | 佐政的評估組都還要到我們新市來 |
| 00:00:29,000 | 00:00:31,000 | 認親 |
| 00:00:31,000 | 00:00:33,000 | 我們都把它叫做法納幾親 |
| 00:00:33,000 | 00:00:35,000 | 我今天是要來跟你認親 |
| 00:00:35,000 | 00:00:37,000 | 第一個問題 |
| 00:00:37,000 | 00:00:39,000 | 跟您請教 |
| 00:00:39,000 | 00:00:41,000 | 我們希拉亞族原住民身份 |
| 00:00:41,000 | 00:00:43,000 | 在行政院現在 |
| 00:00:43,000 | 00:00:45,000 | 的進度如何 |
| 00:00:45,000 | 00:00:47,000 | 跟我們報告 |
| 00:00:47,000 | 00:00:49,000 | 今天早上就是希拉亞族 |
| 00:00:49,000 | 00:00:51,000 | 正名的記者會 |
| 00:00:51,000 | 00:00:53,000 | 今天那個院長會公布 |
| 00:00:53,000 | 00:00:55,000 | 那接下來在8月中旬以後 |
| 00:00:55,000 | 00:00:57,000 | 我們會開始做身份的登記 |
| 00:00:57,000 | 00:00:59,000 | 我認為希拉亞原則上是 |
| 00:00:59,000 | 00:01:01,000 | 已經完成了這個 |
| 00:01:01,000 | 00:01:03,000 | 階段性的一個工作 |
| 00:01:03,000 | 00:01:05,000 | 後續當然登記還有他的過程 |
| 00:01:05,000 | 00:01:07,000 | 那這些我們都已經有做充分的準備 |
| 00:01:07,000 | 00:01:09,000 | 太好了 |
| 00:01:09,000 | 00:01:11,000 | 因為剛好這幾天 |
| 00:01:11,000 | 00:01:13,000 | 新化國小 |
| 00:01:13,000 | 00:01:15,000 | 在核定獎學金 |
| 00:01:15,000 | 00:01:17,000 | 如果有原民身份的 |
| 00:01:17,000 | 00:01:19,000 | 他們就可以申請獎學金 |
| 00:01:19,000 | 00:01:21,000 | 所以這個是遲來的正義 |
| 00:01:21,000 | 00:01:23,000 | 非常的好 |
| 00:01:23,000 | 00:01:25,000 | 第二個問題 |
| 00:01:25,000 | 00:01:27,000 | 這個主委您仔細看喔 |
| 00:01:27,000 | 00:01:29,000 | 我們希拉亞族 |
| 00:01:29,000 | 00:01:31,000 | 在台南五大社 |
| 00:01:31,000 | 00:01:33,000 | 蕭龍 |
| 00:01:33,000 | 00:01:35,000 | 木家六灣 |
| 00:01:35,000 | 00:01:37,000 | 新港馬豆大木匠 |
| 00:01:37,000 | 00:01:39,000 | 大木匠就是新化了 |
| 00:01:39,000 | 00:01:41,000 | 這五色的色名 |
| 00:01:41,000 | 00:01:43,000 | 你有沒有看到 |
| 00:01:43,000 | 00:01:45,000 | 新港這兩個字是 |
| 00:01:45,000 | 00:01:47,000 | 純漢字 |
| 00:01:47,000 | 00:01:49,000 | 它跟其他四個不一樣 |
| 00:01:49,000 | 00:01:51,000 | 其他四個是從 |
| 00:01:51,000 | 00:01:53,000 | 平埔嶼用漢字寫下來的 |
| 00:01:53,000 | 00:01:55,000 | 蕭龍啊木家六灣 |
| 00:01:55,000 | 00:01:57,000 | 大木匠 |
| 00:01:57,000 | 00:01:59,000 | 所以只有新港 |
| 00:01:59,000 | 00:02:01,000 | 為什麼會這樣子 |
| 00:02:01,000 | 00:02:03,000 | 這個問題很難 |
| 00:02:03,000 | 00:02:05,000 | 所以不是要來為難您 |
| 00:02:05,000 | 00:02:07,000 | 各位看到 |
| 00:02:07,000 | 00:02:09,000 | 明朝的歷史 |
| 00:02:09,000 | 00:02:11,000 | 他們認為林鳳 |
| 00:02:11,000 | 00:02:13,000 | 林鳳就是我們台南 |
| 00:02:13,000 | 00:02:15,000 | 這個林鳳營 |
| 00:02:15,000 | 00:02:17,000 | 各位喝牛奶那個林鳳營 |
| 00:02:17,000 | 00:02:19,000 | 林鳳 |
| 00:02:19,000 | 00:02:21,000 | 他1574年 |
| 00:02:21,000 | 00:02:23,000 | 在新港設強米樑 |
| 00:02:23,000 | 00:02:25,000 | 但是1603年 |
| 00:02:25,000 | 00:02:27,000 | 沉地的東藩寺 |
| 00:02:27,000 | 00:02:29,000 | 在記載 |
| 00:02:29,000 | 00:02:31,000 | 我們東藩的居地的時候 |
| 00:02:31,000 | 00:02:33,000 | 他有講到 |
| 00:02:33,000 | 00:02:35,000 | 雙溪口 |
| 00:02:35,000 | 00:02:37,000 | 這個雙溪口很顯然是 |
| 00:02:37,000 | 00:02:39,000 | 漢字的地名 |
| 00:02:39,000 | 00:02:41,000 | 是漢人在那邊住 |
| 00:02:41,000 | 00:02:43,000 | 這叫雙溪口 |
| 00:02:43,000 | 00:02:45,000 | 他沒有提到新港 |
| 00:02:45,000 | 00:02:47,000 | 新港現在就是新式南科地區 |
| 00:02:47,000 | 00:02:49,000 | 為什麼 |
| 00:02:49,000 | 00:02:51,000 | 欸 |
| 00:02:51,000 | 00:02:53,000 | 沉地沒有提到新港 |
| 00:02:55,000 | 00:02:57,000 | 因為沉地寫東藩寺 |
| 00:02:57,000 | 00:02:59,000 | 是在新港寫 |
| 00:02:59,000 | 00:03:01,000 | 而新港 |
| 00:03:01,000 | 00:03:03,000 | 這個 |
| 00:03:03,000 | 00:03:05,000 | 兩個漢字 |
| 00:03:05,000 | 00:03:07,000 | 我個人判斷 |
| 00:03:07,000 | 00:03:09,000 | 是日語 |
| 00:03:09,000 | 00:03:11,000 | 是日語 |
| 00:03:11,000 | 00:03:13,000 | 形括 |
| 00:03:13,000 | 00:03:15,000 | 我怎麼講 |
| 00:03:15,000 | 00:03:17,000 | 因為根據 |
| 00:03:17,000 | 00:03:19,000 | 東藩寺的記載 |
| 00:03:19,000 | 00:03:21,000 | 明家精末 |
| 00:03:21,000 | 00:03:23,000 | 黑鴻用火槍 |
| 00:03:23,000 | 00:03:25,000 | 火沖 |
| 00:03:25,000 | 00:03:27,000 | 來攻打東藩 |
| 00:03:27,000 | 00:03:29,000 | 東藩不敵退入山 |
| 00:03:29,000 | 00:03:31,000 | 所以黑鴻 |
| 00:03:31,000 | 00:03:33,000 | 日本黑鴻 |
| 00:03:33,000 | 00:03:35,000 | 來打東藩應該 |
| 00:03:35,000 | 00:03:37,000 | 沒有撤退 |
| 00:03:37,000 | 00:03:39,000 | 而留在新寺 |
| 00:03:39,000 | 00:03:41,000 | 所以把當地地名 |
| 00:03:41,000 | 00:03:43,000 | 取為新港 |
| 00:03:43,000 | 00:03:45,000 | 所以新港這個地名在我們 |
| 00:03:45,000 | 00:03:47,000 | 明朝的歷史很早就出現 |
| 00:03:47,000 | 00:03:49,000 | 1574年就有 |
| 00:03:49,000 | 00:03:51,000 | 所以我 |
| 00:03:51,000 | 00:03:53,000 | 推估他 |
| 00:03:53,000 | 00:03:55,000 | 有日本 |
| 00:03:55,000 | 00:03:57,000 | 取名的可能性 |
| 00:03:57,000 | 00:03:59,000 | 那我講這個故事 |
| 00:03:59,000 | 00:04:01,000 | 就是要讓各位知道 |
| 00:04:01,000 | 00:04:03,000 | 我們台灣是一個 |
| 00:04:03,000 | 00:04:05,000 | 多族群融合出來 |
| 00:04:05,000 | 00:04:07,000 | 尤其是平地地區 |
| 00:04:07,000 | 00:04:09,000 | 族群融合出來的 |
| 00:04:09,000 | 00:04:11,000 | 也有日本學童 |
| 00:04:11,000 | 00:04:13,000 | 留在台灣 |
| 00:04:13,000 | 00:04:15,000 | 那也有漢人的學童 |
| 00:04:15,000 | 00:04:17,000 | 留在台灣 |
| 00:04:17,000 | 00:04:19,000 | 那當然他們娶的老婆 |
| 00:04:19,000 | 00:04:21,000 | 大部分都是我們的原住民 |
| 00:04:21,000 | 00:04:23,000 | 這就是我們 |
| 00:04:23,000 | 00:04:25,000 | 形式我們台灣民族認同 |
| 00:04:25,000 | 00:04:27,000 | 一個很重要的論點 |
| 00:04:29,000 | 00:04:31,000 | 那我怎麼來證明這個呢 |
| 00:04:31,000 | 00:04:33,000 | 各位我用兩個 |
| 00:04:33,000 | 00:04:35,000 | 台語的俗諺 |
| 00:04:35,000 | 00:04:37,000 | 一個母親比較好生的天公座 |
| 00:04:39,000 | 00:04:41,000 | 娶一個母親比較好生的天公座 |
| 00:04:41,000 | 00:04:43,000 | 父子圍你有聽過 |
| 00:04:43,000 | 00:04:45,000 | 這個俗諺嗎 |
| 00:04:45,000 | 00:04:47,000 | 第二個 |
| 00:04:47,000 | 00:04:49,000 | 天上天公地下母骨公 |
| 00:04:49,000 | 00:04:51,000 | 天上是天公地下母骨公 |
| 00:04:51,000 | 00:04:53,000 | 對母骨非常尊重 |
| 00:04:55,000 | 00:04:57,000 | 只可以故 |
| 00:04:59,000 | 00:05:01,000 | 這是因為 |
| 00:05:01,000 | 00:05:03,000 | 當時漢人來都是男生 |
| 00:05:03,000 | 00:05:05,000 | 都入贅到 |
| 00:05:05,000 | 00:05:07,000 | 平埔族家中 |
| 00:05:07,000 | 00:05:09,000 | 平埔族是母系社會 |
| 00:05:09,000 | 00:05:11,000 | 繼承人家的家產 |
| 00:05:11,000 | 00:05:13,000 | 所以娶一個母親 |
| 00:05:13,000 | 00:05:15,000 | 比較好生的天公座 |
| 00:05:15,000 | 00:05:17,000 | 所以我們台灣人愛母 |
| 00:05:17,000 | 00:05:19,000 | 疼母是這個傳統 |
| 00:05:19,000 | 00:05:21,000 | 天上天公地下母骨公 |
| 00:05:23,000 | 00:05:25,000 | 因為母骨也去給 |
| 00:05:25,000 | 00:05:27,000 | 結婚去 |
| 00:05:27,000 | 00:05:29,000 | 去旅行那 |
| 00:05:29,000 | 00:05:31,000 | 但是母骨的財產稍微去給 |
| 00:05:31,000 | 00:05:33,000 | 我來繼承就對了 |
| 00:05:33,000 | 00:05:35,000 | 天上天公地下母骨公 |
| 00:05:35,000 | 00:05:37,000 | 母骨對回來的母 |
| 00:05:37,000 | 00:05:39,000 | 因為那是她的財產 |
| 00:05:39,000 | 00:05:41,000 | 去給我繼承來的 |
| 00:05:41,000 | 00:05:43,000 | 這道理就是這樣來的 |
| 00:05:43,000 | 00:05:45,000 | 所以我在這裡 |
| 00:05:45,000 | 00:05:47,000 | 主委這樣報告 |
| 00:05:47,000 | 00:05:49,000 | 我們要去看這個 |
| 00:05:49,000 | 00:05:51,000 | 西拉雅族跟漢族 |
| 00:05:51,000 | 00:05:53,000 | 閩南人 |
| 00:05:53,000 | 00:05:55,000 | 他們的通婚的狀態 |
| 00:05:57,000 | 00:05:59,000 | 那麼我們仍然有 |
| 00:05:59,000 | 00:06:01,000 | 保留一些純的 |
| 00:06:01,000 | 00:06:03,000 | 平埔族 |
| 00:06:03,000 | 00:06:05,000 | 在台南 |
| 00:06:05,000 | 00:06:07,000 | 我們新化的新和社區 |
| 00:06:09,000 | 00:06:11,000 | 那我們剛才講的 |
| 00:06:11,000 | 00:06:13,000 | 五個西拉雅族 |
| 00:06:13,000 | 00:06:15,000 | 有一個社叫做麻豆社 |
| 00:06:15,000 | 00:06:17,000 | 現在麻豆地區 |
| 00:06:17,000 | 00:06:19,000 | 請問 |
| 00:06:19,000 | 00:06:21,000 | 副主委麻豆 |
| 00:06:21,000 | 00:06:23,000 | Mata |
| 00:06:23,000 | 00:06:25,000 | 它是什麼意思 |
| 00:06:27,000 | 00:06:29,000 | Mata眼睛 |
| 00:06:29,000 | 00:06:31,000 | 沒錯 |
| 00:06:31,000 | 00:06:33,000 | 現在南島語族的國家 |
| 00:06:33,000 | 00:06:35,000 | 大家都還是用Mata做眼睛 |
| 00:06:35,000 | 00:06:37,000 | 跟我們麻豆 |
| 00:06:37,000 | 00:06:39,000 | 眼睛是一樣的 |
| 00:06:39,000 | 00:06:41,000 | 所以表示你看我們 |
| 00:06:41,000 | 00:06:43,000 | 西拉雅族 |
| 00:06:43,000 | 00:06:45,000 | 跟南島語族 |
| 00:06:45,000 | 00:06:47,000 | 其實是同源 |
| 00:06:47,000 | 00:06:49,000 | 其實是同源 |
| 00:06:49,000 | 00:06:51,000 | 所以 |
| 00:06:51,000 | 00:06:53,000 | 我們可以看到 |
| 00:06:53,000 | 00:06:55,000 | 台灣跟南島語族的 |
| 00:06:55,000 | 00:06:57,000 | 國家之間 |
| 00:06:57,000 | 00:06:59,000 | 有非常親密的關係 |
| 00:06:59,000 | 00:07:01,000 | 但是也不否認 |
| 00:07:01,000 | 00:07:03,000 | 它跟日本也有關係 |
| 00:07:03,000 | 00:07:05,000 | 我們在荷蘭 |
| 00:07:05,000 | 00:07:07,000 | 1624年來台灣以後 |
| 00:07:07,000 | 00:07:09,000 | 因為荷蘭人的待遇 |
| 00:07:09,000 | 00:07:11,000 | 我們新港社 |
| 00:07:11,000 | 00:07:13,000 | 有一條船 |
| 00:07:13,000 | 00:07:15,000 | 載很多 |
| 00:07:15,000 | 00:07:17,000 | 新港社的人到 |
| 00:07:17,000 | 00:07:19,000 | 江戶 |
| 00:07:19,000 | 00:07:21,000 | 去告東洋狀 |
| 00:07:21,000 | 00:07:23,000 | 不是告洋狀而已 |
| 00:07:23,000 | 00:07:25,000 | 而江戶幕府 |
| 00:07:25,000 | 00:07:27,000 | 是由 |
| 00:07:27,000 | 00:07:29,000 | 德川 |
| 00:07:29,000 | 00:07:31,000 | 將軍親自來接待 |
| 00:07:33,000 | 00:07:35,000 | 副主委您知道為什麼要這麼多人 |
| 00:07:37,000 | 00:07:39,000 | 去跟幕府報告 |
| 00:07:39,000 | 00:07:41,000 | 要去告東洋狀 |
| 00:07:41,000 | 00:07:43,000 | 一個人就可以告 |
| 00:07:43,000 | 00:07:45,000 | 為什麼要這麼多人去 |
| 00:07:45,000 | 00:07:47,000 | 去江戶不用錢 |
| 00:07:47,000 | 00:07:49,000 | 去那邊吃住不用錢 |
| 00:07:49,000 | 00:07:51,000 | 為什麼要那麼多人去 |
| 00:07:51,000 | 00:07:53,000 | 那表示說新港社有共識 |
| 00:07:53,000 | 00:07:55,000 | 我們各地的 |
| 00:07:55,000 | 00:07:57,000 | 首領我們都同意 |
| 00:07:57,000 | 00:07:59,000 | 我們都來了 |
| 00:07:59,000 | 00:08:01,000 | 所以幕府你出兵攻打荷蘭人 |
| 00:08:01,000 | 00:08:03,000 | 荷蘭人對我們不好 |
| 00:08:03,000 | 00:08:05,000 | 我們社有共識 |
| 00:08:05,000 | 00:08:07,000 | 這麼多人都來了 |
| 00:08:07,000 | 00:08:09,000 | 這是我的解讀 |
| 00:08:09,000 | 00:08:11,000 | 所以我們可以看到新港社 |
| 00:08:11,000 | 00:08:13,000 | 跟日本的關係是這麼密切 |
| 00:08:15,000 | 00:08:17,000 | 所以荷蘭人的文獻記載 |
| 00:08:17,000 | 00:08:19,000 | 荷蘭人來的時候 |
| 00:08:19,000 | 00:08:21,000 | 已經有日本人 |
| 00:08:21,000 | 00:08:23,000 | 160人的移民區 |
| 00:08:23,000 | 00:08:25,000 | 而且有領袖 |
| 00:08:25,000 | 00:08:27,000 | 而且有領袖 |
| 00:08:27,000 | 00:08:29,000 | 所以中國說台灣 |
| 00:08:29,000 | 00:08:31,000 | 歷史上屬於中國那是 |
| 00:08:31,000 | 00:08:33,000 | rubbish 亂講 |
| 00:08:33,000 | 00:08:35,000 | 他不是只有這樣亂講而已 |
| 00:08:35,000 | 00:08:37,000 | 各位看到第七點 |
| 00:08:37,000 | 00:08:39,000 | 中國最近說八丹群島是他的 |
| 00:08:39,000 | 00:08:41,000 | 領土 |
| 00:08:41,000 | 00:08:43,000 | 他享有主權 |
| 00:08:43,000 | 00:08:45,000 | 他的根據為何 |
| 00:08:47,000 | 00:08:49,000 | 他主要是認為說在語言上面 |
| 00:08:49,000 | 00:08:51,000 | 跟文化跟藍語的達悟主 |
| 00:08:51,000 | 00:08:53,000 | 有非常多的相似 |
| 00:08:53,000 | 00:08:55,000 | 甚至是同一個族群 |
| 00:08:55,000 | 00:08:57,000 | 這樣的認知 |
| 00:08:57,000 | 00:08:59,000 | 這樣的認知沒辦法成立 |
| 00:08:59,000 | 00:09:01,000 | 因為到1874年 |
| 00:09:01,000 | 00:09:03,000 | 牡丹社事件 |
| 00:09:03,000 | 00:09:05,000 | 日本人要出兵的時候 |
| 00:09:05,000 | 00:09:07,000 | 中國清朝 |
| 00:09:07,000 | 00:09:09,000 | 還跟他講說 |
| 00:09:09,000 | 00:09:11,000 | 仿寮以下 |
| 00:09:11,000 | 00:09:13,000 | 叫化外之地狼橋十八社 |
| 00:09:13,000 | 00:09:15,000 | 那其實他 |
| 00:09:15,000 | 00:09:17,000 | 史卡羅 |
| 00:09:17,000 | 00:09:19,000 | 他有一個王叫 |
| 00:09:19,000 | 00:09:21,000 | 德吉多 |
| 00:09:21,000 | 00:09:23,000 | 卓紀篤 |
| 00:09:23,000 | 00:09:25,000 | 德吉多 |
| 00:09:25,000 | 00:09:27,000 | 李先德跟他非常好 |
| 00:09:29,000 | 00:09:31,000 | 所以我們可以看到清朝到1874年 |
| 00:09:31,000 | 00:09:33,000 | 仍然 |
| 00:09:33,000 | 00:09:35,000 | 說 |
| 00:09:35,000 | 00:09:37,000 | 仿寮以下是化外之地 |
| 00:09:37,000 | 00:09:39,000 | 那藍語也是化外之地 |
| 00:09:39,000 | 00:09:41,000 | 台東 |
| 00:09:41,000 | 00:09:43,000 | 屏東很多是化外之地 |
| 00:09:43,000 | 00:09:45,000 | 那怎麼可以說 |
| 00:09:45,000 | 00:09:47,000 | 八丹群島是屬於中國 |
| 00:09:47,000 | 00:09:49,000 | 東部大概都是為認定在化外之地 |
| 00:09:49,000 | 00:09:51,000 | 是啊 |
| 00:09:51,000 | 00:09:53,000 | 只有少數幾個地方在台東花蓮那幾個 |
| 00:09:53,000 | 00:09:55,000 | 平地 |
| 00:09:55,000 | 00:09:57,000 | 那我們可以看到八丹群島 |
| 00:09:57,000 | 00:09:59,000 | 跟藍語之間的 |
| 00:09:59,000 | 00:10:01,000 | 航行中斷 |
| 00:10:01,000 | 00:10:03,000 | 剛才您包括航行300多年 |
| 00:10:03,000 | 00:10:05,000 | 中斷 |
| 00:10:05,000 | 00:10:07,000 | 這中斷的原因 |
| 00:10:07,000 | 00:10:09,000 | 為何啊航海技術應該 |
| 00:10:09,000 | 00:10:11,000 | 更進步啊 |
| 00:10:11,000 | 00:10:13,000 | 為什麼會中斷 |
| 00:10:13,000 | 00:10:15,000 | 我看這些文獻大概是 |
| 00:10:15,000 | 00:10:17,000 | 提到說當時有一些衝突 |
| 00:10:17,000 | 00:10:19,000 | 衝突事件然後造成彼此之間 |
| 00:10:19,000 | 00:10:21,000 | 後來就沒有再同航 |
| 00:10:21,000 | 00:10:23,000 | 這個衝突是西班牙人造成 |
| 00:10:23,000 | 00:10:25,000 | 也就是說 |
| 00:10:25,000 | 00:10:27,000 | 西班牙控制菲律賓的程度 |
| 00:10:27,000 | 00:10:29,000 | 已經連八丹群島 |
| 00:10:29,000 | 00:10:31,000 | 也受到控制 |
| 00:10:31,000 | 00:10:33,000 | 所以是 |
| 00:10:33,000 | 00:10:35,000 | 西班牙人控制造成 |
| 00:10:35,000 | 00:10:37,000 | 我們這兩族之間 |
| 00:10:37,000 | 00:10:39,000 | 航行沒辦法 |
| 00:10:39,000 | 00:10:41,000 | 繼續我個人的解讀是這樣 |
| 00:10:41,000 | 00:10:43,000 | 所以你們這個計畫非常好 |
| 00:10:43,000 | 00:10:45,000 | 而且我鼓勵你們 |
| 00:10:45,000 | 00:10:47,000 | 跟南島語族不是 |
| 00:10:47,000 | 00:10:49,000 | 只有跟八丹群島 |
| 00:10:49,000 | 00:10:51,000 | 我們跟斐濟 |
| 00:10:51,000 | 00:10:53,000 | 甚至跟紐西蘭 |
| 00:10:53,000 | 00:10:57,000 | 紐西蘭的戰舞啊 |
| 00:10:57,000 | 00:11:01,000 | 紐西蘭的戰舞跟我們原住民 |
| 00:11:01,000 | 00:11:03,000 | 那個舞蹈非常像 |
| 00:11:03,000 | 00:11:05,000 | 所以那個很多 |
| 00:11:05,000 | 00:11:07,000 | 文化上的相同性 |
| 00:11:07,000 | 00:11:09,000 | 我們在外交上 |
| 00:11:09,000 | 00:11:11,000 | 要利用這一點 |
| 00:11:11,000 | 00:11:13,000 | 所以我今天來跟您認清 |
| 00:11:13,000 | 00:11:15,000 | 是有目的的 |
| 00:11:15,000 | 00:11:17,000 | 也就是說我們要跟 |
| 00:11:17,000 | 00:11:19,000 | 紐西蘭 |
| 00:11:19,000 | 00:11:21,000 | 還有甚至火地島 |
| 00:11:21,000 | 00:11:23,000 | 阿根廷的火地島 |
| 00:11:23,000 | 00:11:25,000 | 還有斐濟等這些國家 |
| 00:11:25,000 | 00:11:27,000 | 改善外交關係 |
| 00:11:27,000 | 00:11:29,000 | 有賴 |
| 00:11:29,000 | 00:11:31,000 | 我們的原住民出力 |
| 00:11:33,000 | 00:11:35,000 | 要用這個關係 |
| 00:11:35,000 | 00:11:37,000 | 因為同遠 |
| 00:11:37,000 | 00:11:39,000 | 你們現在怎麼不承認台灣 |
| 00:11:39,000 | 00:11:41,000 | 我們現在台灣跟你們的關係 |
| 00:11:41,000 | 00:11:43,000 | 應該可以更緊密 |
| 00:11:43,000 | 00:11:45,000 | 而不是只有 |
| 00:11:45,000 | 00:11:47,000 | 這個帕拉奧 |
| 00:11:47,000 | 00:11:49,000 | 應該還有更多的國家 |
| 00:11:49,000 | 00:11:51,000 | 我們可以藉由原住民 |
| 00:11:51,000 | 00:11:53,000 | 跟他們的關係 |
| 00:11:53,000 | 00:11:55,000 | 來改善我們現在的外交關係 |
| 00:11:55,000 | 00:11:57,000 | 包括斐濟啦 |
| 00:11:57,000 | 00:11:59,000 | 紐西蘭啦 |
| 00:11:59,000 | 00:12:01,000 | 甚至夏威夷也是 |
| 00:12:01,000 | 00:12:03,000 | 甚至夏威夷也是 |
| 00:12:03,000 | 00:12:05,000 | 所以拜託副主委往這個方向 |
| 00:12:05,000 | 00:12:07,000 | 協助我們的外交 |
| 00:12:07,000 | 00:12:09,000 | 跟我們報告事實上會裡面 |
| 00:12:09,000 | 00:12:11,000 | 所以這個南島語族的這個 |
| 00:12:11,000 | 00:12:13,000 | 文化交流都已經進行了非常多年 |
| 00:12:13,000 | 00:12:15,000 | 甚至你剛剛講的什麼 |
| 00:12:15,000 | 00:12:17,000 | 紐西蘭那些事實上我們有相關的平台 |
| 00:12:17,000 | 00:12:19,000 | 在做不管是經貿 |
| 00:12:19,000 | 00:12:21,000 | 文化交流還有一些博物館 |
| 00:12:21,000 | 00:12:23,000 | 各方面我們都有在做 |
| 00:12:23,000 | 00:12:25,000 | 這種所謂原住民族的文化交流 |
| 00:12:25,000 | 00:12:27,000 | 在外交上會有一些注意 |
| 00:12:27,000 | 00:12:29,000 | 不只有注意 |
| 00:12:29,000 | 00:12:31,000 | 所以我今天來拜託您 |
| 00:12:31,000 | 00:12:33,000 | 就是要原住民出兵 |
| 00:12:33,000 | 00:12:35,000 | 要原住民出力 |
| 00:12:35,000 | 00:12:37,000 | 來協助我們現在 |
| 00:12:37,000 | 00:12:39,000 | 做一個困頓的外交 |
| 00:12:39,000 | 00:12:41,000 | 要協助一個最簡單的 |
| 00:12:41,000 | 00:12:43,000 | 我們看到 |
| 00:12:43,000 | 00:12:45,000 | 公家啦 |
| 00:12:45,000 | 00:12:47,000 | 諾魯他們上次來參加我們的 |
| 00:12:47,000 | 00:12:49,000 | 海洋論壇我兩天都在那邊學習 |
| 00:12:49,000 | 00:12:51,000 | 他們來都講英文 |
| 00:12:51,000 | 00:12:53,000 | 我們這邊當然 |
| 00:12:53,000 | 00:12:55,000 | 也講英文 |
| 00:12:55,000 | 00:12:57,000 | 我內心在想如果能夠講他們的 |
| 00:12:57,000 | 00:12:59,000 | 原住民的語文 |
| 00:12:59,000 | 00:13:01,000 | 主語 |
| 00:13:01,000 | 00:13:03,000 | 那不知道多好 |
| 00:13:03,000 | 00:13:05,000 | 有沒有可能我們培養我們原住民的 |
| 00:13:05,000 | 00:13:07,000 | 外交人才 |
| 00:13:07,000 | 00:13:09,000 | 我們常年都在做 |
| 00:13:09,000 | 00:13:11,000 | 我們每一年都有國際人才培訓 |
| 00:13:11,000 | 00:13:13,000 | 尤其南島的部分也有一些 |
| 00:13:13,000 | 00:13:15,000 | 我們原住民的族人來參與 |
| 00:13:15,000 | 00:13:17,000 | 甚至國外的 |
| 00:13:17,000 | 00:13:19,000 | 這些在我們國家 |
| 00:13:19,000 | 00:13:21,000 | 族族的都有請他們一起來參與 |
| 00:13:21,000 | 00:13:23,000 | 國際人才的培訓 |
| 00:13:23,000 | 00:13:25,000 | 那外交部有沒有把他入籍為外交部的官員 |
| 00:13:25,000 | 00:13:27,000 | 這個還要再 |
| 00:13:27,000 | 00:13:29,000 | 繼續努力 |
| 00:13:29,000 | 00:13:31,000 | 這個我會督促他 |
| 00:13:31,000 | 00:13:33,000 | 今天我們一定要培養這方面的人才 |
| 00:13:33,000 | 00:13:35,000 | 協助我們 |
| 00:13:35,000 | 00:13:37,000 | 拓展對南島為之國家的外交 |
| 00:13:37,000 | 00:13:39,000 | 非常謝謝 |
| 00:13:39,000 | 00:13:41,000 | 吳主委的回答 |
| 00:13:41,000 | 00:13:43,000 | 謝謝 |