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王美惠 @ 第11屆第5會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議

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00:00:30,000 00:00:33,000 台灣被殺,如果去到大陸
00:00:33,000 00:00:39,000 要注意,因為有很多失憶
00:00:39,000 00:00:41,000 在這個過程當中
00:00:41,000 00:00:44,000 我覺得你們兩個單位
00:00:44,000 00:00:49,000 做什麼,真的會讓我害怕,不知道
00:00:49,000 00:00:52,000 因為尤其最近
00:00:52,000 00:00:56,000 也有我們中華民國台灣的人
00:00:56,000 00:00:58,000 去中國
00:00:58,000 00:01:00,000 不管他是出頭也好
00:01:00,000 00:01:04,000 去欺負、做生意也好
00:01:04,000 00:01:07,000 因為在這個過程當中
00:01:07,000 00:01:11,000 我覺得你們的所作所為
00:01:11,000 00:01:16,000 讓白色認為我們台灣的人沒藝
00:01:16,000 00:01:19,000 到平常他還在大陸做生意
00:01:19,000 00:01:22,000 半天四個月就要回來
00:01:22,000 00:01:24,000 但是在這個過程當中
00:01:24,000 00:01:29,000 他很在本色跟你討論的時候
00:01:29,000 00:01:32,000 已經一天沒看人了
00:01:32,000 00:01:36,000 結果他們的訴求
00:01:36,000 00:01:38,000 他們的拜託
00:01:38,000 00:01:40,000 我們的政府單位
00:01:40,000 00:01:44,000 是不是可以來找呢
00:01:44,000 00:01:48,000 委員,你說的這
00:01:48,000 00:01:50,000 大陸的風險,警官
00:01:50,000 00:01:54,000 還有幾乎所有的委員、服務處
00:01:54,000 00:01:57,000 都會接到許多
00:01:57,000 00:02:01,000 這個賦互私聯的案子
00:02:01,000 00:02:03,000 然後他們的家屬都很緊張
00:02:03,000 00:02:06,000 以前他們家屬很緊張的,對不對
00:02:06,000 00:02:08,000 他就是煩惱
00:02:08,000 00:02:12,000 這次你覺得要怎麼做才有辦法
00:02:12,000 00:02:14,000 去家屬說
00:02:14,000 00:02:17,000 你們什麼人現在沒錢絕對
00:02:17,000 00:02:20,000 委員,你們如果接到這種案子
00:02:20,000 00:02:22,000 來上來我們海基會陸委會都可以
00:02:22,000 00:02:26,000 我們兩個單位會去關心他們家裡狀況
00:02:26,000 00:02:28,000 會去關懷訪視
00:02:28,000 00:02:29,000 如果有需要的話
00:02:29,000 00:02:30,000 我們也會接受
00:02:30,000 00:02:32,000 董事長主委
00:02:32,000 00:02:34,000 警政署的同仁一起前往
00:02:34,000 00:02:36,000 我覺得說得很好聽
00:02:36,000 00:02:38,000 做個會笑死人
00:02:38,000 00:02:41,000 你不知道這件案子
00:02:41,000 00:02:45,000 委員你們怎麼回答都不知道
00:02:46,000 00:02:47,000 你不知道吧
00:02:47,000 00:02:49,000 委員你說案子
00:02:49,000 00:02:52,000 我們給他們的消息就是
00:02:52,000 00:02:57,000 我們兩岸又沒做好朋友
00:02:57,000 00:03:00,000 所有直接的過程也難找
00:03:00,000 00:03:03,000 董事長、主委
00:03:03,000 00:03:05,000 我覺得我們要救人
00:03:05,000 00:03:07,000 不分什麼東派
00:03:07,000 00:03:10,000 也不分他是什麼黨的
00:03:10,000 00:03:13,000 這次他到中央委員
00:03:13,000 00:03:16,000 一直在中國做生意
00:03:16,000 00:03:22,000 整個過年都沒辦法聯絡
00:03:22,000 00:03:24,000 也不知道為什麼
00:03:24,000 00:03:27,000 你給我們的反應
00:03:27,000 00:03:32,000 我們兩岸沒做好朋友
00:03:32,000 00:03:33,000 這樣就算了
00:03:33,000 00:03:36,000 我覺得這樣是很失敗
00:03:36,000 00:03:38,000 委員不可能是這樣
00:03:38,000 00:03:39,000 可能這樣
00:03:39,000 00:03:42,000 這個案件我來向你請教
00:03:42,000 00:03:45,000 一定案件給你
00:03:45,000 00:03:46,000 結果到現在
00:03:46,000 00:03:52,000 你說我們跟國元沒辦法對抗
00:03:52,000 00:03:56,000 你也可以拜託現有的在那邊做生意
00:03:56,000 00:03:58,000 在那邊吃頭髮
00:03:58,000 00:04:00,000 我們有多元管道
00:04:00,000 00:04:02,000 我們在報告都有寫
00:04:02,000 00:04:04,000 委員你案件給我們我們來處理
00:04:04,000 00:04:07,000 主委報告都有寫
00:04:07,000 00:04:09,000 我們不是要寫給你看
00:04:09,000 00:04:12,000 我們不是要寫要怎麼解決
00:04:12,000 00:04:16,000 大家也知道台中對我們沒什麼
00:04:16,000 00:04:18,000 如果去台中給他
00:04:18,000 00:04:21,000 也不說他在那邊做生意
00:04:21,000 00:04:23,000 還做保護
00:04:23,000 00:04:26,000 雖然他跟我們沒辦法
00:04:26,000 00:04:28,000 也不說我們有辦法
00:04:28,000 00:04:30,000 他有要分什麼黨派
00:04:30,000 00:04:33,000 他有要分什麼黨
00:04:33,000 00:04:34,000 主委
00:04:34,000 00:04:37,000 委員你說案件非常重要
00:04:37,000 00:04:39,000 我為了他最重要
00:04:39,000 00:04:44,000 本身不知道是我還是你們
00:04:44,000 00:04:48,000 這一定發生幾個月
00:04:48,000 00:04:50,000 要不要交給你們
00:04:50,000 00:04:54,000 一直要做幹部交給你們
00:04:54,000 00:04:56,000 這樣喔
00:04:56,000 00:04:58,000 我們有聽到
00:04:58,000 00:04:59,000 來請
00:04:59,000 00:05:00,000 委員
00:05:00,000 00:05:02,000 我來查你這個案子
00:05:02,000 00:05:03,000 到底總共如何
00:05:03,000 00:05:04,000 我會再詢詢
00:05:04,000 00:05:06,000 因為當事長主委
00:05:06,000 00:05:09,000 白色去那邊吃頭髮
00:05:09,000 00:05:10,000 去那邊做生意
00:05:10,000 00:05:12,000 因為他想要生存
00:05:12,000 00:05:14,000 他想要賺錢
00:05:14,000 00:05:16,000 結果你看看
00:05:16,000 00:05:18,000 他來頂一個民國法律
00:05:18,000 00:05:20,000 來解決這個問題
00:05:20,000 00:05:23,000 哪一般的白色呢
00:05:27,000 00:05:28,000 這個
00:05:28,000 00:05:30,000 特別跟你們報告
00:05:30,000 00:05:32,000 其實從過去一年半
00:05:32,000 00:05:33,000 十八個月來
00:05:33,000 00:05:37,000 我們接獲通報多少失蹤案件
00:05:37,000 00:05:39,000 一共225件
00:05:39,000 00:05:40,000 這225件中
00:05:40,000 00:05:42,000 有40%又91件
00:05:42,000 00:05:44,000 到現在為止
00:05:44,000 00:05:46,000 還是失聯的狀況
00:05:46,000 00:05:48,000 那有60%134件
00:05:48,000 00:05:50,000 我們追蹤到
00:05:50,000 00:05:52,000 追蹤到有一些他回到台灣
00:05:52,000 00:05:54,000 有些仍然在被拘禁當中
00:05:54,000 00:05:55,000 這是數字
00:05:55,000 00:05:57,000 各個案件的狀況不一樣
00:05:57,000 00:05:59,000 我特別跟你講一個案件
00:05:59,000 00:06:01,000 今年這三個月
00:06:01,000 00:06:03,000 宗教案件
00:06:03,000 00:06:05,000 因為宗教信仰被拘留的
00:06:05,000 00:06:07,000 在我們這兩年來
00:06:07,000 00:06:09,000 19個案件中有9件
00:06:09,000 00:06:10,000 那你說危險
00:06:10,000 00:06:11,000 很危險
00:06:11,000 00:06:12,000 三個月
00:06:12,000 00:06:13,000 激增了50%
00:06:13,000 00:06:14,000 那你提到
00:06:14,000 00:06:15,000 我為什麼講宗教案件
00:06:15,000 00:06:17,000 宗教案件中包含
00:06:17,000 00:06:19,000 你剛剛講的
00:06:19,000 00:06:21,000 長期在中國經營
00:06:21,000 00:06:22,000 事業的商人
00:06:22,000 00:06:23,000 已經很久了
00:06:23,000 00:06:25,000 現在被抓
00:06:25,000 00:06:27,000 也有去旅行的被抓
00:06:27,000 00:06:29,000 也有去做文化交流的被抓
00:06:29,000 00:06:30,000 很多
00:06:30,000 00:06:32,000 甚至還有
00:06:32,000 00:06:33,000 不在這19個案件中
00:06:33,000 00:06:35,000 家屬沒有陳情
00:06:35,000 00:06:37,000 可是我們得到資料的
00:06:37,000 00:06:39,000 是在那邊長期教書的
00:06:39,000 00:06:40,000 也被抓
00:06:40,000 00:06:41,000 我特別跟你講
00:06:41,000 00:06:42,000 那經商在那邊
00:06:42,000 00:06:43,000 很困難
00:06:43,000 00:06:45,000 風險非常高
00:06:45,000 00:06:46,000 所以宗教案件
00:06:46,000 00:06:47,000 雖然如果提出
00:06:47,000 00:06:49,000 附錄是橘色警示
00:06:49,000 00:06:50,000 海基會立場
00:06:50,000 00:06:51,000 就我個人看來
00:06:51,000 00:06:53,000 更如同紅色警戒
00:06:53,000 00:06:54,000 所以說
00:06:54,000 00:06:56,000 一看到根本就是
00:06:56,000 00:06:57,000 紅色警戒
00:06:57,000 00:06:58,000 海基會在多次
00:06:58,000 00:06:59,000 已經兩年來
00:06:59,000 00:07:00,000 不斷重複
00:07:00,000 00:07:02,000 告訴一貫道道親朋友
00:07:02,000 00:07:03,000 信眾
00:07:03,000 00:07:04,000 不管什麼原因
00:07:04,000 00:07:05,000 不要去
00:07:05,000 00:07:06,000 但是這半年來
00:07:06,000 00:07:07,000 這三年來
00:07:07,000 00:07:08,000 激增了50%
00:07:08,000 00:07:09,000 有沒有嚴重
00:07:09,000 00:07:10,000 嚴重
00:07:10,000 00:07:11,000 那其他中國經商的
00:07:11,000 00:07:12,000 在那邊很辛苦
00:07:12,000 00:07:13,000 很危險
00:07:13,000 00:07:14,000 各種案件都可以
00:07:14,000 00:07:15,000 可能稅
00:07:15,000 00:07:16,000 可能被檢舉
00:07:16,000 00:07:18,000 可能因為同業競爭
00:07:18,000 00:07:19,000 各種樣態都有
00:07:19,000 00:07:21,000 你剛才講的其中一個樣態
00:07:21,000 00:07:23,000 我們的同仁會去了解
00:07:23,000 00:07:24,000 到底怎麼做
00:07:24,000 00:07:25,000 怎麼幫助他們
00:07:25,000 00:07:26,000 像特別說
00:07:26,000 00:07:27,000 因為
00:07:27,000 00:07:28,000 謝謝
00:07:28,000 00:07:30,000 因為當時鄉下主委
00:07:30,000 00:07:32,000 本社要向你們探討的就是說
00:07:32,000 00:07:34,000 我們會怎麼獨自
00:07:34,000 00:07:36,000 怎麼樣
00:07:36,000 00:07:39,000 我是不愛有跌倒的
00:07:39,000 00:07:42,000 在這四百多個
00:07:42,000 00:07:44,000 兩百多個
00:07:44,000 00:07:45,000 那種案
00:07:45,000 00:07:46,000 在這個過程
00:07:46,000 00:07:48,000 他的家屬
00:07:48,000 00:07:50,000 也很煩惱的
00:07:50,000 00:07:51,000 跟你說
00:07:51,000 00:07:52,000 要去那裡
00:07:52,000 00:07:54,000 教那些人辦事
00:07:54,000 00:07:56,000 做詐騙集團
00:07:56,000 00:07:58,000 這就是不好的
00:07:58,000 00:08:00,000 不好的時候
00:08:00,000 00:08:03,000 他們家怕說這個人沒去
00:08:03,000 00:08:05,000 我們也依情依理
00:08:05,000 00:08:06,000 要去那裡認識說
00:08:06,000 00:08:10,000 因為這個人現在到哪裡
00:08:10,000 00:08:12,000 完全都不知道
00:08:12,000 00:08:14,000 我說你們不知道
00:08:14,000 00:08:18,000 也可以拜託東地的台商
00:08:18,000 00:08:20,000 很多管道可以找
00:08:20,000 00:08:22,000 可是到現在
00:08:22,000 00:08:24,000 你們只有發覺說
00:08:24,000 00:08:27,000 因為我們家的沒通
00:08:27,000 00:08:30,000 沒通我們還有很多方法
00:08:30,000 00:08:34,000 我們有方法
00:08:34,000 00:08:35,000 有很多方法
00:08:35,000 00:08:37,000 包括剛才你所說的
00:08:37,000 00:08:38,000 台商的協會
00:08:38,000 00:08:40,000 或是旅行的業者
00:08:40,000 00:08:41,000 或是我們其他的管道
00:08:41,000 00:08:42,000 其實每個個案
00:08:42,000 00:08:45,000 我們接到只要家屬通報陳情
00:08:45,000 00:08:47,000 非常能夠了解到
00:08:47,000 00:08:48,000 當事人家屬的心急
00:08:48,000 00:08:49,000 為什麼
00:08:49,000 00:08:51,000 其實按照1999年
00:08:51,000 00:08:53,000 兩案兩會共同打擊
00:08:53,000 00:08:54,000 犯罪及司法互助協議
00:08:54,000 00:08:55,000 他要立即通報
00:08:55,000 00:08:57,000 這要立即通報
00:08:57,000 00:08:58,000 立即通報我們當然就可以去
00:08:58,000 00:09:00,000 跟家屬通報說
00:09:00,000 00:09:01,000 你的小孩你的家人怎麼樣
00:09:01,000 00:09:03,000 但是從2024年來
00:09:03,000 00:09:05,000 他是選擇性通報
00:09:05,000 00:09:06,000 所以你剛才提到案子
00:09:06,000 00:09:07,000 他不通報
00:09:07,000 00:09:09,000 不通報家屬就會緊張
00:09:09,000 00:09:11,000 所以第一個根本解決知道
00:09:11,000 00:09:14,000 請兩案對案
00:09:14,000 00:09:17,000 按照已經簽字的
00:09:17,000 00:09:19,000 顧打協議司法互助協議
00:09:19,000 00:09:22,000 第12條規定該通報就通報
00:09:22,000 00:09:23,000 通報家屬會不會緊張
00:09:23,000 00:09:24,000 這樣小哥
00:09:24,000 00:09:25,000 通報之後
00:09:25,000 00:09:26,000 我們人就在哪裡
00:09:26,000 00:09:27,000 他現在不通報
00:09:27,000 00:09:29,000 到現在他當的人不知道
00:09:29,000 00:09:31,000 他在哪裡
00:09:31,000 00:09:34,000 所以說當事長
00:09:34,000 00:09:35,000 我們要中華民國
00:09:35,000 00:09:37,000 台灣這個土地
00:09:37,000 00:09:40,000 無論它是什麼黨的什麼派
00:09:40,000 00:09:43,000 主要去到台中的心
00:09:43,000 00:09:45,000 中國的心
00:09:45,000 00:09:47,000 很煩惱
00:09:47,000 00:09:49,000 最好不要去
00:09:49,000 00:09:50,000 最好不要去
00:09:50,000 00:09:53,000 不得已才去
00:09:53,000 00:09:55,000 因為最好不要去
00:09:55,000 00:09:58,000 全頭上的設施跟計畫才去
00:09:58,000 00:10:00,000 我們看到的信眾
00:10:00,000 00:10:01,000 信仰道清
00:10:01,000 00:10:03,000 絕對不要去
00:10:03,000 00:10:04,000 會去給他看嗎
00:10:04,000 00:10:05,000 絕對不要去
00:10:05,000 00:10:06,000 對啦
00:10:06,000 00:10:09,000 因為我直接要跟你兩位說
00:10:09,000 00:10:10,000 就是說
00:10:10,000 00:10:14,000 雖然愛認真愛保佑
00:10:14,000 00:10:15,000 雖然愛認真愛保佑
00:10:15,000 00:10:18,000 但是當初求助於你們
00:10:18,000 00:10:20,000 到目前為止
00:10:20,000 00:10:22,000 到現在為止
00:10:22,000 00:10:23,000 你放心
00:10:23,000 00:10:24,000 你剛才說拿到的
00:10:24,000 00:10:25,000 我等一下馬雄
00:10:25,000 00:10:27,000 我會給你一個了解
00:10:27,000 00:10:28,000 我會告訴你
00:10:28,000 00:10:29,000 我們怎麼處理
00:10:29,000 00:10:30,000 我一定向你報告
00:10:30,000 00:10:31,000 我會分析
00:10:31,000 00:10:32,000 跟你說的
00:10:32,000 00:10:34,000 辦公室的主任跟你說的
00:10:34,000 00:10:37,000 我都覺得這樣太浪費了
00:10:37,000 00:10:41,000 雖然中國對我們不去
00:10:41,000 00:10:44,000 雖然為了要救我們台灣的
00:10:44,000 00:10:45,000 被殺的人
00:10:45,000 00:10:48,000 不管他是在這裡工作也好
00:10:48,000 00:10:50,000 在這裡做生意也好
00:10:50,000 00:10:51,000 如果可以離開
00:10:51,000 00:10:53,000 當然他要離開
00:10:53,000 00:10:55,000 雖然有時候
00:10:55,000 00:10:58,000 他所有的工作也好
00:10:58,000 00:10:59,000 做生意也好
00:10:59,000 00:11:02,000 都已經在這裡了
00:11:02,000 00:11:04,000 所以我互動說
00:11:04,000 00:11:07,000 被殺求助於我們的時候
00:11:07,000 00:11:08,000 要支持
00:11:08,000 00:11:10,000 不是這樣兩句話而已
00:11:10,000 00:11:11,000 兩句話而已
00:11:11,000 00:11:13,000 公司要聽起來
00:11:13,000 00:11:15,000 不要我們同仁
00:11:15,000 00:11:17,000 就是您交代個案
00:11:17,000 00:11:19,000 那個協處的情形
00:11:19,000 00:11:22,000 是我們多次的跟家屬
00:11:22,000 00:11:25,000 我們說我們下去訪視
00:11:25,000 00:11:27,000 還有提供更多的資訊給我們
00:11:27,000 00:11:30,000 他一直都沒有進一步回應
00:11:30,000 00:11:32,000 你覺得他是怎樣
00:11:32,000 00:11:34,000 他會怕
00:11:34,000 00:11:36,000 他說
00:11:36,000 00:11:38,000 跟我們民運代表
00:11:38,000 00:11:41,000 他覺得什麼話他敢說
00:11:41,000 00:11:42,000 跟你們
00:11:42,000 00:11:45,000 關完的時候他會怕
00:11:45,000 00:11:46,000 尤其在那邊
00:11:46,000 00:11:48,000 人們說
00:11:48,000 00:11:50,000 跟你們說
00:11:50,000 00:11:53,000 所以沒辦法讓你回來
00:11:53,000 00:11:55,000 這種的謠言很多
00:11:55,000 00:11:56,000 各位
00:11:56,000 00:11:58,000 大家如果可以
00:11:58,000 00:12:00,000 跟中華民國的台灣
00:12:00,000 00:12:02,000 做生意一條路
00:12:02,000 00:12:03,000 大家都願意
00:12:03,000 00:12:06,000 雖然有時候早期
00:12:06,000 00:12:09,000 他整個情形整個
00:12:09,000 00:12:10,000 都在那裡
00:12:10,000 00:12:12,000 我也有說
00:12:12,000 00:12:13,000 坤先生跟你說了
00:12:13,000 00:12:15,000 好好處理
00:12:15,000 00:12:16,000 我覺得
00:12:16,000 00:12:18,000 我們不要因為個案
00:12:18,000 00:12:20,000 也有很多
00:12:20,000 00:12:21,000 去來我們部會
00:12:21,000 00:12:23,000 我們都可以
00:12:23,000 00:12:25,000 一一來服務
00:12:25,000 00:12:28,000 因為今天時間
00:12:28,000 00:12:30,000 下個月就跟我等一下
00:12:30,000 00:12:32,000 再寫書面
00:12:32,000 00:12:33,000 報告給您
00:12:33,000 00:12:34,000 拜託
00:12:34,000 00:12:36,000 我會回答一下
00:12:36,000 00:12:38,000 我們絕對不會讓我們
00:12:38,000 00:12:40,000 跟我們投訴的人
00:12:40,000 00:12:41,000 投訴我們
00:12:41,000 00:12:43,000 我們一定會積極努力協助
00:12:43,000 00:12:45,000 謝謝