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賴士葆 @ 第11屆第5會期財政委員會第24次全體委員會議

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00:00:00,000 00:00:10,640 謝謝主席以及各位先進
00:00:10,640 00:00:13,640 有請財政部的莊部長
00:00:13,640 00:00:16,760 還有經濟部產發署的周副署長
00:00:16,760 00:00:19,160 請莊部長 請周副署長
00:00:19,160 00:00:23,000 委員好
00:00:23,000 00:00:25,000 兩位長官好
00:00:25,000 00:00:29,000 現在Alt Art沒有生效
00:00:29,000 00:00:36,000 是不是汽車進口汽車17.5降為零
00:00:36,000 00:00:38,000 基本上就沒有這回事了
00:00:38,000 00:00:40,000 是不是 呼呼呼 你不要想這樣
00:00:40,000 00:00:42,000 部長
00:00:42,000 00:00:48,000 目前來說當然還是依照我們海關進口稅則的稅率來課徵汽車關稅
00:00:48,000 00:00:50,000 17.5
00:00:50,000 00:00:52,000 所以我可不可以這樣講
00:00:52,000 00:00:56,000 只要跟美國的Alt沒有生效
00:00:56,000 00:00:58,000 我們就一直維持不會降
00:00:58,000 00:01:00,000 是不是這樣
00:01:00,000 00:01:05,000 一個稅率基本上是我們加入WTO以後承諾的一個稅率
00:01:05,000 00:01:08,000 那如果跟台美談判的Alt的話
00:01:08,000 00:01:09,000 剛剛也講得很清楚
00:01:09,000 00:01:12,000 它是屬於雙邊的一個協定
00:01:12,000 00:01:16,000 所以只針對美車進口來做調降
00:01:16,000 00:01:17,000 所以這是雙邊的
00:01:17,000 00:01:20,000 那至於汽車未來的關稅是否要調降
00:01:20,000 00:01:22,000 我們必須要整全面的調降
00:01:22,000 00:01:24,000 必須要考慮國內的產業發展
00:01:24,000 00:01:28,000 今天報告你把它講得像毒蛇門獸說
00:01:28,000 00:01:30,000 哇這個損失快六百億
00:01:30,000 00:01:33,000 這個損失八百多億
00:01:33,000 00:01:34,000 夭壽
00:01:34,000 00:01:36,000 這損失這麼大
00:01:36,000 00:01:37,000 怎麼可以做
00:01:37,000 00:01:38,000 變成這樣
00:01:38,000 00:01:40,000 你這是恐嚇老百姓喔
00:01:42,000 00:01:44,000 我們的報告裡面
00:01:44,000 00:01:47,000 這個是稅損的報告
00:01:47,000 00:01:51,000 同時還要考慮到這個國內汽車產業的發展
00:01:51,000 00:01:53,000 我跟你講一個喔
00:01:53,000 00:01:56,000 先請那個周副處長講一下
00:01:56,000 00:02:03,000 為了提升我們國內汽車產業的競爭力
00:02:03,000 00:02:08,000 不管整體的汽車進來有沒有降關稅
00:02:08,000 00:02:11,000 你知不知此關鍵領主稅
00:02:11,000 00:02:13,000 領主建都應該要降關稅
00:02:13,000 00:02:14,000 你可以看喔
00:02:14,000 00:02:16,000 稅損只有八點多億
00:02:16,000 00:02:19,000 那麼13項的汽車領主建
00:02:19,000 00:02:22,000 如果九項只有八點多億
00:02:22,000 00:02:25,000 如果針對13項還要反還可以增加
00:02:25,000 00:02:27,000 你明明有啊你可以看
00:02:27,000 00:02:30,000 降關稅因為車子的競爭力提高了
00:02:30,000 00:02:31,000 稅收還增加
00:02:31,000 00:02:33,000 就是你們報告寫的
00:02:33,000 00:02:36,000 副處長要不要講一下
00:02:36,000 00:02:37,000 是 跟委員報告
00:02:37,000 00:02:40,000 有關這個領主建降稅的部分
00:02:40,000 00:02:43,000 如果是屬於國內無產制的部分
00:02:43,000 00:02:46,000 那這樣子從國外進來的領主建
00:02:46,000 00:02:50,000 它降稅之後對於國內車廠組裝的成本
00:02:50,000 00:02:51,000 就會降低
00:02:51,000 00:02:54,000 自然就會讓它的銷售量提高
00:02:54,000 00:02:58,000 整車的銷售量提高之後
00:02:58,000 00:03:00,000 對於它的領主建的廠商
00:03:00,000 00:03:02,000 其實也相對說明
00:03:02,000 00:03:04,000 所以按照我們的稅評是OK
00:03:04,000 00:03:06,000 是會是
00:03:06,000 00:03:07,000 所以你支持
00:03:07,000 00:03:09,000 不管進口車有沒有降
00:03:09,000 00:03:12,000 我們領主關鍵領主建可以先降
00:03:12,000 00:03:15,000 但是整個稅市支出評估的作業
00:03:15,000 00:03:17,000 還在財政部的這個負評審查
00:03:17,000 00:03:18,000 從來沒有結束
00:03:18,000 00:03:20,000 所以還是要看到最後的結果
00:03:20,000 00:03:21,000 莊部長 莊部長
00:03:21,000 00:03:23,000 你的報告寫的
00:03:23,000 00:03:24,000 這是你的報告寫的
00:03:24,000 00:03:26,000 財政部長莊翠穎
00:03:26,000 00:03:30,000 你寫的13項的汽車領主建
00:03:30,000 00:03:34,000 調降關稅稅收增加0.52
00:03:34,000 00:03:36,000 報名就要去做了啦
00:03:36,000 00:03:38,000 同意吧 就不管
00:03:38,000 00:03:42,000 我騎車現在因為還沒有降關稅
00:03:42,000 00:03:43,000 不知道
00:03:43,000 00:03:45,000 因為美國那邊還沒搞定
00:03:45,000 00:03:48,000 但是我們領主建也13項的
00:03:48,000 00:03:50,000 先給它降為0嘛
00:03:50,000 00:03:51,000 那不是好事嗎
00:03:51,000 00:03:52,000 我的提案就是這個啊
00:03:52,000 00:03:53,000 部長
00:03:53,000 00:03:55,000 委員現在在程序中
00:03:55,000 00:03:57,000 還是在做稅評過程
00:03:57,000 00:03:58,000 什麼時候可以最後出來
00:03:58,000 00:03:59,000 最後什麼時候
00:03:59,000 00:04:01,000 這個部分目前還在經濟部
00:04:01,000 00:04:03,000 在做相關的
00:04:03,000 00:04:06,000 把這個稅評做得更為充實
00:04:06,000 00:04:07,000 跟強化一點
00:04:07,000 00:04:09,000 那我覺得可能還需要一些時間
00:04:09,000 00:04:10,000 多少時間
00:04:10,000 00:04:11,000 副組長
00:04:11,000 00:04:12,000 兩個月內可以嗎
00:04:12,000 00:04:13,000 是跟委員報告
00:04:13,000 00:04:15,000 你回應我 我實際有信
00:04:15,000 00:04:16,000 因為我們7月22號
00:04:16,000 00:04:18,000 收到財政部的意見
00:04:18,000 00:04:20,000 所以我們還需要一些時間
00:04:20,000 00:04:21,000 還多久
00:04:21,000 00:04:23,000 做模型的調整
00:04:23,000 00:04:24,000 還多久
00:04:24,000 00:04:25,000 兩個月可以嗎
00:04:25,000 00:04:26,000 我們盡快
00:04:26,000 00:04:28,000 兩個月可以吧
00:04:28,000 00:04:31,000 這個部長你的報告寫這麼清楚
00:04:31,000 00:04:32,000 我們盡量
00:04:32,000 00:04:33,000 13項
00:04:33,000 00:04:34,000 關建領主建
00:04:34,000 00:04:36,000 如果調降關稅降為0
00:04:36,000 00:04:40,000 稅收增加0.52億
00:04:40,000 00:04:41,000 你寫得這麼清楚
00:04:41,000 00:04:42,000 這件好事
00:04:42,000 00:04:44,000 不然就要去做了
00:04:44,000 00:04:46,000 好不好 那個副組長請回吧
00:04:47,000 00:04:48,000
00:04:48,000 00:04:49,000 我請教一下
00:04:49,000 00:04:51,000 那個部長
00:04:52,000 00:04:54,000 我的這個是跨國
00:04:54,000 00:04:57,000 為什麼關股要介入國票金
00:04:57,000 00:05:00,000 你說以前我質詢你的時候
00:05:00,000 00:05:01,000 你就說
00:05:01,000 00:05:03,000 喔 這個因為它裡面
00:05:03,000 00:05:05,000 這個管理的亂七八糟
00:05:05,000 00:05:07,000 什麼裡面問題很大
00:05:07,000 00:05:08,000 什麼的
00:05:08,000 00:05:09,000 問題很大的公司
00:05:09,000 00:05:12,000 問題很大的公司何其多
00:05:12,000 00:05:14,000 你為什麼偏偏什麼地方不介入
00:05:14,000 00:05:15,000 就介入這個
00:05:16,000 00:05:18,000 我就問你一個問題
00:05:18,000 00:05:22,000 以後我們假設財政部及法案公署
00:05:22,000 00:05:23,000 八大行庫要來
00:05:23,000 00:05:25,000 是不是未來變成九大行庫
00:05:25,000 00:05:26,000 有沒有這個事情
00:05:26,000 00:05:27,000 是不是
00:05:27,000 00:05:29,000 他要不要來備詢
00:05:30,000 00:05:31,000 當然按照
00:05:31,000 00:05:35,000 按照才會立法院的一個職權來做
00:05:35,000 00:05:37,000 不要你回答我
00:05:37,000 00:05:38,000 應該是會要的
00:05:39,000 00:05:40,000 尊重立法院的要求
00:05:40,000 00:05:42,000 那就是以後就變成不是八大行庫
00:05:42,000 00:05:44,000 而是九大行庫
00:05:44,000 00:05:45,000 是不是
00:05:45,000 00:05:46,000 我們尊重立法院要求
00:05:46,000 00:05:47,000 不不不你回答我
00:05:47,000 00:05:48,000 Yes No 是不是
00:05:48,000 00:05:49,000 可以啊 可以來啊
00:05:49,000 00:05:50,000 可以來喔
00:05:50,000 00:05:54,000 因為國務院管理法第三條定的這麼清楚
00:05:54,000 00:05:55,000 職權就可以來
00:05:55,000 00:05:56,000 此一路
00:05:57,000 00:05:58,000 什麼要來關股
00:05:58,000 00:05:59,000 什麼時候來
00:06:00,000 00:06:01,000 持股超過50%
00:06:01,000 00:06:02,000 它沒有
00:06:03,000 00:06:05,000 政府指派關股代表
00:06:05,000 00:06:07,000 擔任董事長或總經理
00:06:07,000 00:06:09,000 立法院要求
00:06:09,000 00:06:10,000 他就要來
00:06:11,000 00:06:14,000 國務院管理法第三條定的這麼清楚
00:06:14,000 00:06:16,000 所以以後變成我們的
00:06:16,000 00:06:18,000 泛光股八大行庫
00:06:18,000 00:06:21,000 就能改成九大行庫
00:06:21,000 00:06:22,000 我這樣講沒有問題吧
00:06:23,000 00:06:24,000 不然
00:06:24,000 00:06:25,000 我要決定一下
00:06:25,000 00:06:28,000 委員您已經把這個國務院管理法列出來
00:06:28,000 00:06:30,000 立法院得要求嘛
00:06:30,000 00:06:31,000
00:06:31,000 00:06:32,000 所以尊重立法院
00:06:32,000 00:06:33,000
00:06:33,000 00:06:34,000 有這九大行庫
00:06:34,000 00:06:35,000
00:06:35,000 00:06:37,000 同時我就要問
00:06:38,000 00:06:40,000 當初問不出一個所以然
00:06:41,000 00:06:42,000 看不懂啦
00:06:42,000 00:06:44,000 這財政部啊
00:06:44,000 00:06:45,000 你只有說
00:06:45,000 00:06:47,000 哎呀 我有多少實力
00:06:47,000 00:06:49,000 我就拿多少席次
00:06:49,000 00:06:50,000 很好
00:06:50,000 00:06:53,000 但是大家會想到一個
00:06:53,000 00:06:56,000 應該是戰略性的
00:06:57,000 00:06:59,000 我介入國標金
00:06:59,000 00:07:01,000 因為它是一個最小的金控
00:07:01,000 00:07:03,000 大家就會想到說
00:07:03,000 00:07:04,000 你要推公共病
00:07:04,000 00:07:06,000 你要病張瘾
00:07:06,000 00:07:07,000 結果後來發現
00:07:07,000 00:07:08,000 沒有啊
00:07:08,000 00:07:09,000 後來發現說
00:07:09,000 00:07:11,000 喔 因為答案在這裡
00:07:11,000 00:07:13,000 機關放在身後
00:07:13,000 00:07:14,000 只有圖利
00:07:14,000 00:07:15,000 哪一個集團
00:07:15,000 00:07:17,000 他們的代表人
00:07:17,000 00:07:18,000 擔任副董事長
00:07:18,000 00:07:20,000 年薪上千萬以上
00:07:22,000 00:07:23,000 變成說
00:07:23,000 00:07:24,000 變了老半天
00:07:24,000 00:07:26,000 結果沒有病
00:07:26,000 00:07:28,000 只有做一件事情
00:07:28,000 00:07:29,000 一件事情
00:07:29,000 00:07:31,000 圖利特定集團
00:07:32,000 00:07:34,000 這個叫圖利耐斯集團
00:07:34,000 00:07:36,000 就變這個樣子啊
00:07:36,000 00:07:38,000 現在看到答案是這個
00:07:38,000 00:07:40,000 大家看到看不看不看
00:07:40,000 00:07:41,000 答案顯開了
00:07:41,000 00:07:43,000 答案顯開了
00:07:43,000 00:07:44,000 沒有什麼偽造的戰略
00:07:44,000 00:07:45,000 什麼都沒有
00:07:45,000 00:07:46,000 就是兩個字
00:07:46,000 00:07:47,000 四個字
00:07:47,000 00:07:49,000 圖或者六個字好了
00:07:49,000 00:07:51,000 圖利特定財團
00:07:51,000 00:07:52,000 這樣而已
00:07:52,000 00:07:54,000 把你的股份去押它
00:07:54,000 00:07:56,000 給它當一個副董事長
00:07:56,000 00:07:57,000 副董事長
00:07:57,000 00:07:58,000 十四行呢
00:07:58,000 00:07:59,000 上了董事長
00:07:59,000 00:08:01,000 現在總經理副董事長
00:08:01,000 00:08:02,000 坐領甘心
00:08:02,000 00:08:03,000 就這樣子而已啊
00:08:03,000 00:08:04,000 坐領高薪啊
00:08:04,000 00:08:06,000 還不是甘心而已
00:08:06,000 00:08:07,000 是高薪啊
00:08:08,000 00:08:09,000 部長
00:08:10,000 00:08:12,000 持相很難看哩
00:08:13,000 00:08:14,000 你做歷史罪人哩
00:08:14,000 00:08:15,000 總部長啊
00:08:15,000 00:08:16,000 你做這個決定
00:08:16,000 00:08:17,000 很難看哩
00:08:18,000 00:08:19,000 委員
00:08:19,000 00:08:21,000 我想在國票金這件事情
00:08:21,000 00:08:22,000 委員也好
00:08:22,000 00:08:23,000 還有社會各界
00:08:23,000 00:08:25,000 都有相關的一些意見
00:08:25,000 00:08:26,000 那當然我們知道
00:08:26,000 00:08:29,000 各個意見相關的一個原由
00:08:29,000 00:08:30,000 我們也都了解
00:08:30,000 00:08:32,000 那我們已經一再說過了
00:08:32,000 00:08:34,000 國票金控目前來說
00:08:34,000 00:08:36,000 關股指派的有關股權代表
00:08:36,000 00:08:37,000 他們首要的工作
00:08:37,000 00:08:39,000 就是完善他的公司治理
00:08:39,000 00:08:41,000 提升營運的一績效
00:08:41,000 00:08:43,000 那後續的做法
00:08:43,000 00:08:44,000 那當然
00:08:44,000 00:08:46,000 大家都說沒有做沒有做
00:08:46,000 00:08:47,000 你在推翻我
00:08:47,000 00:08:49,000 推翻我講的話嘛
00:08:49,000 00:08:50,000 你要
00:08:50,000 00:08:51,000 你這個背心
00:08:51,000 00:08:52,000 你要推翻我講的嗎
00:08:52,000 00:08:53,000 另外所謂
00:08:53,000 00:08:54,000 這是你的
00:08:54,000 00:08:55,000 你沒有站這東西
00:08:55,000 00:08:57,000 沒有就圖利而已
00:08:57,000 00:08:58,000 你圖利啊
00:08:58,000 00:08:59,000 圖利啊圖利
00:08:59,000 00:09:01,000 圖利這個事情
00:09:01,000 00:09:02,000 不要隨便灌在
00:09:02,000 00:09:04,000 不要灌在我們的同仁的身上
00:09:04,000 00:09:06,000 你做這個是什麼
00:09:06,000 00:09:08,000 就是給他一個副董事長
00:09:08,000 00:09:10,000 你有種就給他董事長
00:09:10,000 00:09:12,000 你給他一個董事長
00:09:12,000 00:09:14,000 這是公司治理內部的事
00:09:14,000 00:09:15,000 對不對
00:09:15,000 00:09:16,000 什麼叫內部的事
00:09:16,000 00:09:18,000 董事都聽你的啊
00:09:18,000 00:09:20,000 大家都了解啊
00:09:20,000 00:09:21,000 對不對
00:09:21,000 00:09:23,000 所以親戚都聽你的
00:09:23,000 00:09:25,000 所以清清楚楚看得到
00:09:26,000 00:09:28,000 你也沒有推動公共病
00:09:28,000 00:09:30,000 如果你今天說來
00:09:30,000 00:09:32,000 我介入國標金色病
00:09:32,000 00:09:33,000 張銀
00:09:33,000 00:09:35,000 我要給你掌聲
00:09:36,000 00:09:37,000 沒有啊
00:09:37,000 00:09:39,000 現在看到結果沒有這個東西啊
00:09:39,000 00:09:41,000 那我再問你
00:09:41,000 00:09:43,000 投信四合一啊
00:09:43,000 00:09:45,000 說今年底可以搞定是不是
00:09:45,000 00:09:47,000 朝這個目標進行
00:09:47,000 00:09:48,000 確定今年底
00:09:48,000 00:09:49,000 目前已經在做
00:09:49,000 00:09:51,000 要按照相關程序在做了當中
00:09:51,000 00:09:53,000 當然還要符合金管的法規
00:09:53,000 00:09:55,000 我們也要除了董事會
00:09:55,000 00:09:57,000 先經過金管會
00:09:57,000 00:09:58,000 要報金管會同意
00:09:58,000 00:10:00,000 所以目前來積極的進行當中
00:10:00,000 00:10:03,000 都按照程序在進行
00:10:03,000 00:10:06,000 我給你個機會補考機會
00:10:07,000 00:10:08,000 部長啊
00:10:08,000 00:10:10,000 有關於國標金
00:10:10,000 00:10:12,000 你們大剌剌的介入之後
00:10:14,000 00:10:15,000 介入之後
00:10:16,000 00:10:18,000 你的戰略目的是什麼
00:10:19,000 00:10:20,000 你可以寫個報告給我們
00:10:21,000 00:10:22,000 好不好給蔡委員
00:10:22,000 00:10:23,000 好我們可以提書面
00:10:23,000 00:10:24,000 你到底為什麼這樣子
00:10:24,000 00:10:25,000 謝謝
00:10:25,000 00:10:26,000 因為外界一直質疑啊
00:10:26,000 00:10:27,000 你只有一個啊
00:10:27,000 00:10:28,000 就看到只有一個說
00:10:28,000 00:10:31,000 給一個董事長年薪上千萬
00:10:31,000 00:10:32,000 這樣而已
00:10:32,000 00:10:35,000 其他都沒有看到傳過水無痕
00:10:35,000 00:10:36,000 這很可悲啊
00:10:36,000 00:10:37,000 我知道各界都很關注
00:10:37,000 00:10:41,000 你的形象毀於一旦喔
00:10:41,000 00:10:42,000 是是是
00:10:42,000 00:10:44,000 好謝謝委員的指教謝謝