| IVOD_ID |
170705 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170705 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-36-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第26次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
26 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第26次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-23T11:38:07+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-23T11:51:43+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:36 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/7cefb85d66825e78e701f2ed4671e67ff952d29ff77f22d7669a48ea8244716a339739331fca71b35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:38:07 - 11:51:43 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第26次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請法務部部長、衛生福利部部長、司法院、行政院消費者保護處、衛生福利部食品藥物管理署就「中聯致癌油事件之偵辦調查、消費者權益及食安監管」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、邀請監察院秘書長、法務部部長、經濟部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員、銓敘部部長就「現行公職人員利益衝突迴避暨離職公務員旋轉門機制之執行成效與法制缺失」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【7月22日及23日兩天一次會】） |
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賴世保委員發言 |
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8.04 |
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10.5 |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進 |
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10.5 |
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14.84 |
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有請法務部的政部長以及衛福部的 |
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14.84 |
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16.6 |
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這個林次長 |
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16.6 |
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18.6 |
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有請政部長跟林次長 |
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21.44 |
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主任好 |
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24.84 |
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兩位長官好 首先我先請教 |
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24.84 |
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26.5 |
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這個林次長 |
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26.5 |
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29.7 |
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這個媒體這麼陡大的字講說 |
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34.2 |
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有機苦茶驗出的一個本品筆超標 |
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36.2 |
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這批產品是不是已經下架了 |
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36.2 |
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39.2 |
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是 這批產品在食藥署跟這個 |
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39.2 |
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42.2 |
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新北市政府衛生局一起去處理 |
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42.2 |
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44.5 |
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儘速處理 所以今天已經請他們全部 |
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44.5 |
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48.2 |
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這件事情是新北市先抓到的嗎 對不對 |
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48.2 |
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50.7 |
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這個業者他自主通報 |
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50.7 |
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53.7 |
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那同時通報新北市衛生局跟食藥署 |
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53.7 |
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57.2 |
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那現在對於中聯的事件 |
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57.2 |
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60.2 |
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毒藥事件發展到現在 |
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60.2 |
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64.2 |
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這個現在那些中標的 |
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64.2 |
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68.7 |
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所謂中標就是被列上去說有問題的商品 |
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68.7 |
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71.2 |
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是確定可以再重新上架了嗎 |
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71.2 |
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73.2 |
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沒有 那有問題那批當然不能 |
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73.2 |
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75.7 |
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有問題總共有7批全部都是下架 |
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75.7 |
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78.7 |
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那我們已經請業者要啟動後續的銷毀程序 |
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78.7 |
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80.7 |
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那19批給他上架 |
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80.7 |
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82.7 |
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19批是驗完都合格 |
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82.7 |
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84.7 |
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確定食安沒問題 |
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84.7 |
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86.7 |
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這邊就是依照我們食安法 |
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86.7 |
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88.7 |
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還有其中所訂定的分別標準 |
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88.7 |
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90.7 |
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你要打包票喔 這個 |
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90.7 |
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93.2 |
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我們都知道現在來講在 |
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93.2 |
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95.7 |
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在這個風火上面 |
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95.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
97.7 |
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你確定19批都沒問題喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
97.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
99.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
那19批我們驗過是符合標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
99.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
102.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
你們這麼急著提廠商來 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
102.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
106.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
是怎麼樣的 為護廠商的利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
106.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
108.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
上面的廠商這幾家大廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
108.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
111.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
尤其是中聯 我們配合檢調 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
111.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
113.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
一定要讓他們得到懲罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
113.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
116.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
我一直在提著外界一直擔心的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
116.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
119.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
就是這個到目前為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
119.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
122.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
到現在為止 我在別的委員會也問過你 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
122.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
124.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
到現在為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
124.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
127.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
你都沒有辦法告訴我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
127.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
129.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
毒油怎麼產生的 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
129.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
132.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
這個目前我們的第三方調查小組已經進入了 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
132.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
134.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
但是對啊還沒有結果啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
134.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
136.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
還沒有結果你就敢放 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
136.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
137.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
那19批 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
137.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
139.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
委員會不是食藥署放 那是我們找了諮詢專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
139.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
142.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
那專家這邊也針對我們食藥署這邊協助檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
142.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
146.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
那19批預防性下架產品的原油採樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
146.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
148.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
去做檢查 符合標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
148.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
149.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
確定喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
149.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
151.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
符合 就是那批是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
151.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
154.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
以現在來講的話 其實外界是希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
154.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
158.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
現在來講 因為你最後結果都還沒有出來嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
158.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
160.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
原因都還不知道是什麼產生 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
160.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
163.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
是原料問題 還是製程問題 還是運送的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
163.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
165.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
都還不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
165.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
167.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
你為什麼急著給它上架 我也不懂 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
167.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
169.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
我們對於中聯這邊 我們配合檢調 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
169.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
171.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
一定要讓中聯這邊得到相關的懲罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
171.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
174.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
那不過因為這一些 我們另外的這19批 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
174.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
176.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
其實都是預防性下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
176.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
179.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
預防性下架這邊影響的是下游的小型的廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
179.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
181.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
那預防性下架這邊 當然我們能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
181.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
183.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
有沒有影響 廠商我們不在乎啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
183.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
187.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
我們在乎的是老百姓死的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
187.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
190.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
我們來看啦 說今天是不是7月23號 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
190.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
193.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
已經食安法要修法 確定了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
193.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
196.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
我們廠商通過了沒有 通過了沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
196.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
198.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
通過了沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
198.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
200.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
我在這邊備詢 我不知道行政院的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
200.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
202.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
法務部知道嗎 法務部都不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
202.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
204.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
這個是行政院會 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
204.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
206.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
這是院會 我們今天早上都在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
206.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
207.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
通過了是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
207.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
209.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
我們今天都在這裡 我不知道院會進度啊委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
209.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
211.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
好 等一下 叫你們去查一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
211.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
213.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
等一下跟我們講喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
213.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
215.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
因為今天supposedly要通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
215.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
219.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
那這裡面應該法 應該法務部有角色扮演吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
219.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
222.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
有沒有 法律 法律的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
222.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
225.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
這個立法的 修法的體力啊 各方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
225.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
228.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
有沒有 法務部應該有著墨的地方吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
229.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
231.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
政委召開的會議有請各部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
231.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
233.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
跟委員報告好 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
233.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
234.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
法務部意見是什麼 法務部意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
234.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
236.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
因為法務部所扮演的角色就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
236.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
238.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
在一個文字跟立法體力 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
238.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
241.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
就提供專業的法制意見而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
241.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
243.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
至於那個立法政策的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
243.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
244.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
不是你管的 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
244.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
246.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
我們完全遵從 因為我們法務部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
246.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
248.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
我們完全遵從各部會的立法政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
248.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
251.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
我現在就告訴兩位長官 各位長官啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
251.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
254.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
其實毒油事件發生到現在為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
254.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
256.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
第一個 到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
256.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
260.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
到底什麼原因是造成毒油 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
260.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
262.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
要平民幣這麼高 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
262.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
265.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
到現在為止 剛才這個林市長 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
265.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
266.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
講得非常清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
266.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
268.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
不知道 還找專家來 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
268.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
269.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
還沒答案 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
269.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
272.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
然後你就第一個 給他急著上下 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
272.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
275.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
第二個 我覺得行政院最可惡的地方在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
275.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
277.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
甩鍋給立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
277.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
281.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
我跟各位講 特別是林市長仔細聽著喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
281.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
286.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
從2014年頂新事件到現在為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
286.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
289.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
食安法修了17次 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
289.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
293.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
噴到問題 修法噴到問題 修法噴到問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
293.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
297.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
立法院帶動 甩鍋給立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
297.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
300.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
甩鍋給業者自主前沿 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
300.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
302.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
我再跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
302.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
304.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
你們現在修法的這些東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
304.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
306.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
其實行政院都可以做 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
306.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
309.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
根本沒有修法就應該要做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
309.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
313.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
比如2014年就已經大幅提高了刑事罰金 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
313.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
317.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
不過你在法務院這樣一條改法多少就多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
317.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
319.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
然後呢 你們講說要獨立的什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
319.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
323.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
實驗室2014年就已經修了 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
323.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
325.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
商事會公司要震懾實驗室 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
325.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
327.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
工廠獨立設立 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
327.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
330.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
都用了2015年的修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
330.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
332.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
修了17次 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
332.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
337.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
中央對於食品原料的加工製造 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
337.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
340.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
製造加工可以進行限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
340.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
343.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
你們現在修法就三大修法了 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
343.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
345.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
我不要你們講 我要講給你們聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
345.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
348.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
你們就是4號裁法變成4000預備 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
348.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
351.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
然後企業自主決定是不是通報改成 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
351.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
353.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
一定要即時通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
353.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
354.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
1000投下面的應 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
354.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
358.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
然後呢 地方各自應變改成中央指揮統一 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
358.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
360.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
修法都修過啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
360.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
363.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
所以第一個 你們甩鍋給立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
363.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
366.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
各位大家這樣對一去 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
366.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
368.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
就是立法院修法不夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
368.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
371.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
一村的問題 立法院修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
371.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
373.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
修法 修法 這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
373.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
376.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
這個東西 你們的工具已經夠多了 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
376.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
378.7 |
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你們可以 我再跟你講喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
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381.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
2015年11年前修的法 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
381.7 |
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386.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
中央對於地方的對食品原料的製造加工 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
386.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
388.7 |
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可以進行限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
388.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
390.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
什麼叫進行限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
你現在要修的法通通已經有了 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
393.7 |
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394.7 |
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不是沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
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396.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
不是你們叫歐龍水土 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
第二個 甩給地方的首長說 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
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喔 地方你們要去檢驗等等的 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
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406.7 |
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然後就廠商自主檢驗做得不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
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408.7 |
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卓院長也在講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
408.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
411.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
地方什麼檢驗不好等等的 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
411.7 |
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| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
我覺得非常不足取 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
416.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
行政部門噴的問題就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
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立法院修法 我們來解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
418.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
立法院修法 我們來解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
421.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
422.7 |
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你們工具已經夠多了 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
422.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
423.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
修了十幾次 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
423.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
426.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
這部食安法修了十幾次 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
426.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
429.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
你能不能告訴我哪一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
429.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
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你們修了以後就不會有毒品產生 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
432.7 |
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| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
你告訴我 你次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
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435.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
委員你說是毒品還是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
435.7 |
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436.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
436.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
437.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
毒品 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
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不是毒品啦 毒油啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
委員這一次的事件裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
442.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
我們明確的看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
446.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
包含地方檢驗的評次沒有定的很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
446.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
447.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
再來第二部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
448.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
這個都很區別我 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
448.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
450.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
這個區別我啦 很小啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
450.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
451.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
發現有問題之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
451.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
454.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
廠商隱匿了一個多月 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
454.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
457.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
隱匿你們現在就有法可以處理他了 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
457.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
458.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
我們已經罰了 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
458.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
459.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
但這個法寫得更清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
460.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
已經有處理了 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
460.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
462.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
你看 更清楚而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
464.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
廠商跟相關的檢驗機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
466.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
他要在24小時之內通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
466.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
468.7 |
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是啦 這個都很區別我 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
468.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
470.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
區別我 就很小的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
470.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
472.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
然後你們說 哇 大家氣哭 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
473.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
我們也很希望說 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
473.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
474.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
可以不要再修就可以做 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
474.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
475.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
但是現在大家做得不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
475.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
就罰修得很明確 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
477.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
480.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
本來就沒有修就可以做 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
480.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
483.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
現在的法 一本來就可以做 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
483.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
485.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
是你們執行不力 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
485.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
486.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
到目前為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
486.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
488.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
你們還找外面的專家來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
488.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
490.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
到底產生在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
490.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
491.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
都還不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
491.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
493.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
好啦 你先請回了 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
493.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
494.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
委員 依照二次請教的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
494.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
495.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
地方政府要先做 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
495.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
496.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
我們現在是協助地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
496.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
497.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
地方政府在做啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
497.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
498.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
不是沒有做啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
498.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
500.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
你胡說八道耶這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
500.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
501.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
來 我們請消保處的 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
501.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
502.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
還有那個部長姓李的 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
502.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
504.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
消保處的總管有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
504.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
506.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
好 請消保處 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
507.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
509.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
那個部長留著好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
509.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
510.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
部長留著 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
510.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
514.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
這個團體訴訟 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
514.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
516.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
團體訴訟 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
516.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
518.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
消保處扮演什麼角色 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
518.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
520.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
我們依照消保法 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
520.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
521.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
我們就是協請兩個消保團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
521.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
523.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
所以在這個過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
523.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
524.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
其實我們很快 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
524.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
526.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
就跟兩個消保團體先聯絡 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
526.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
527.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
現在進行中嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
527.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
528.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
對 我們7月21號 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
528.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
530.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
兩個消保團體就有發布新聞 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
530.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
531.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
我們也有發布新聞說 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
531.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
533.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
已經啟動這個團體訴訟了 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
533.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
534.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
兩位長官聽好啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
534.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
537.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
我看一下跟死人有關的團體訴訟 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
537.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
539.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
2011年的塑化劑 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
539.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
543.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
2014年的頂新事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
543.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
545.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
結果很悲哀的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
545.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
548.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
團體訴訟結果賠償一點點 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
548.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
550.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
然後結果就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
550.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
554.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
加強賠償金額提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
554.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
556.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
要修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
556.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
558.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
就這樣而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
558.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
560.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
所以大家有要學樣耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
560.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
562.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
我覺得這一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
562.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
564.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
你根據49條50條 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
564.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
566.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
消保處49條50條 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
566.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
568.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
說什麼等等的 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
568.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
570.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
我覺得請問一個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
570.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
572.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
消保處可以不可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
572.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
576.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
當成團體訴訟的發動者之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
576.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
577.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
可不可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
577.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
579.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
有人跟你告狀的話可不可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
579.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
582.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
我們現在依照法律的 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
582.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
584.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
可以提起團體訴訟的 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
584.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
586.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
就是兩個優良的消保團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
586.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
588.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
而且要優良的消保團體才可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
588.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
590.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
那我們消保處其實就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
590.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
592.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
站在一個協助他們的立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
592.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
594.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
還有跟各機關協調 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
594.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
596.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
比如說這是跟衛福部說 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
596.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
598.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
來我請教部長啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
598.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
600.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
我們可不可以修法讓消保處 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
600.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
604.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
也可以類同啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
604.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
606.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
這個我們的消保團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
606.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
610.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
你老百姓受傷的 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
610.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
612.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
來找我消保處替你團體訴訟 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
612.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
614.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
快點啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
614.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
616.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
民怕官 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
616.7 |
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617.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
民怕官 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
617.7 |
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618.7 |
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可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
618.7 |
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620.7 |
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部長可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
620.7 |
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622.7 |
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這個是 |
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622.7 |
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624.7 |
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因為消保處不是一個機關吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
624.7 |
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626.7 |
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那這部分消保法正 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
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628.7 |
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怎麼規定我們尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
628.7 |
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630.7 |
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我們的修法啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
630.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
632.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
大家喜歡修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
632.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
634.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
讓消保處可以當作團體訴訟的 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
634.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
636.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
窗口不行喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
636.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
638.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
638.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
640.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
事實上那個最重要的扣留 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
640.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
642.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
讓團體訴訟制用 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
642.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
644.7 |
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很多的多管齊下 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
646.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
我剛有跟委員報告過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
646.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
648.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
跟其他委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
648.7 |
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650.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
就一個就是我們刑事的一個保全 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
650.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
652.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
但我們有扣了兩億多 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
652.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
654.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
在兩億多範圍有扣了 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
654.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
656.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
一億兩千六百萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
658.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
那另外那個消保處那部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
658.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
660.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
協助那個消保團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
660.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
662.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
去依照民事訴訟委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
662.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
做一個民事的扣押 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
666.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
那另外衛福部這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
666.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
668.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
有十安法的四十九條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
668.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
670.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
可以做行政扣留 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
670.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
672.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
跟法院行政法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
672.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
674.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
做行政路線跟行政法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
674.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
676.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
那其實地方的消保官 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
676.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
678.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
他們也設立一個損害賠償 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
678.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
680.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
一個專務協助這被害者 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
680.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
682.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
你沒有知道我重點啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
682.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
684.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
我的重點是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
684.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
686.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
可以不可以修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
686.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
688.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
這個修法這個不是法務部 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
688.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
690.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
你不修你不修我來修 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
690.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
692.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
我要讓消保處 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
692.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
694.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
可以成為團體訴訟的 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
694.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
696.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
一個窗口 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
696.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
698.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
因為這些廠商怕的是官 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
698.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
700.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
不是怕這些民間團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
700.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
702.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
這樣啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
702.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
704.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
704.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
706.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
我應該補充嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
706.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
708.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
你補充你補充不好意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
708.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
710.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
第一個就是有關於當事人能力的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
710.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
712.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
其實會跟民事訴訟有關 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
712.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
714.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
就剛剛部長有提到說這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
714.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
716.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
民事訴訟的部分我們是一個單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
716.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
718.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
所以原則上在民事訴訟那邊提起這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
718.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
720.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
就是代為是有問題的 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
720.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
722.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
那第二個就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
722.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
724.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
其實現在兩個優良消保團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
724.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
726.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
在這個過程當中其實還有歷來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
726.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
728.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
從以前十安法103年修正以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
728.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
730.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
其實他們運作的非常好 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
730.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
732.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
在十安法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
732.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
734.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
所以你的意思是不要給他搶生意就對了 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
734.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
736.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
就是說他們其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
736.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
738.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
這兩個優良消保團體其實真的做得很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
738.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
740.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
相當有經驗然後他們有律師團 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
740.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
742.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
好我請問最後一個小問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
742.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
744.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
我問我一下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
744.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
746.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
可不可以代為求償 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
746.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
748.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
我們政府來代為求償 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
748.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
750.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
代為求償是這樣就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
750.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
752.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
我們現在的做法因為現在用十安基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
752.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
754.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
來支應這個訴訟費用 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
754.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
756.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
其實消費者也是不用出錢的 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
756.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
758.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
就如同剛跟國務院報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
758.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
760.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
有律師團現在做得非常好 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
760.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
762.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
那在104年左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
762.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
764.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
曾經有地方政府是代為求償的 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
764.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
766.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
就是先發給這個十安法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
766.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
768.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
56條第三項最低的金額500塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
768.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
770.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
但是其實後來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
770.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
772.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
最後其實只有四個 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
772.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
774.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
民眾登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
774.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
776.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
所以那個效果好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
776.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
778.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
其實補充一句 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
778.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
780.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
其實老百姓要的不是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
780.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
782.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
我買了退我多少錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
782.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
784.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
我沒有說吃了死不這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
784.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
786.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
關係是健康的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
786.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
788.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
不是金錢話 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
788.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
790.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
是你的身體健康的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
790.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
792.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
我吃了會怎樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].start |
792.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
794.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
會不會慢性自殺 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].start |
794.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
796.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
現在慢慢累積以後就 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
796.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
798.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
哪天得到癌症了 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
798.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
800.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
原來就是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
800.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
802.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
現在沒辦法抓了因為短時間沒辦法去 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].start |
802.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
804.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
知道說因果關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].start |
804.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
806.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
吃了以後多久 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
806.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
808.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
會得癌症也不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
808.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
810.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
我也不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
810.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
812.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
所以之前的那個鼎鑫案的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].start |
812.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
814.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
其實是用非財產上的損害 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].start |
814.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
816.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
謝謝 |