| IVOD_ID |
170644 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170644 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-22T10:29:19+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-22T10:38:02+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:43 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/7469000803f9b6aa5f41b3968d156ab84220b467350b4647aeb2ac4a95fc824bf0c54870947c465d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:29:19 - 10:38:02 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：一、繼續審查：
（一） 本院委員賴瑞隆等17人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（二） 本院委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具「能源管理法第七條條文修正草案」案。
（三） 本院委員蔡其昌等19人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（四） 本院委員鍾佳濱等20人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（五） 本院委員邱議瑩等17人擬具「能源管理法增訂第十九條之二及第二十七條之一條文草案」案。
二、審查：
（六） 行政院函請審議「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」。
（七） 本院委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等17人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（八） 本院委員郭國文等16人擬具「能源管理法增訂第十九條之二及第二十七條之一條文草案」案。
（九） 本院委員徐欣瑩等16人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（十） 本院委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具「能源管理法第二條條文修正草案」案。
（十一） 本院委員楊瓊瓔等23人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（十二） 本院委員陳亭妃等20人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（十三） 本院委員邱志偉等16人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。（詢答）
（第十三案如未接獲院會交付審查之議事處來文，則不予審查。）） |
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主席再訪委員先進 烈焰政府軍事長官員 會場工作夥伴媒體記者女士先生 |
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有請鞏部長跟吳署長 |
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請進行報告 鞏部長 農業署吳署長 |
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部長好 署長好 今天我是說要求競速評估自備發電的設備選項 |
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還有盤點我們消防公安都計的配套法規 |
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為什麼呢 我們先看一下 |
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今天我看之前的委員都詢問過你們的執法 |
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因為你們這次能源管理法因應電力用電的成長需求你們修訂了 |
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而且還有個用電大戶的條款 |
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說到5MW以上要自備發電設施 |
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結果股市怎麼反應 現在雖然上禮拜到現在股市雲霄飛車 |
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但是儲能股跟能源股好像都還是被看好 |
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請問部長 今天大家一直問你說公務部執法的內容 |
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你知道為什麼大家都在關心嗎 |
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股票的關係還是什麼關係 |
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發委員因為這個是有苛責企業界的責任嘛 |
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大家都很關心他會不會被苛責到 |
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所以供應商他就強調你們修法之後你們要買他的產品 |
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需求者他擔心成本我到底要不要去徵購這些設備對不對 |
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所以站在我們企業營運的角度他一定會關心 |
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到底他未來要因應法規的調整他去做什麼樣的配合 |
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好那我們看到這裡面有個很關鍵的 |
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過去比較沒有出現的 |
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過去我們任何的事業都要有個緊急備援對不對 |
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那現在你們對這個自備發電 |
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到底緊急備援可不可以紀錄自備發電的容量當中 |
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目前部長或者署長你們有沒有一個明確的最後要宣示 |
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就是我們還要跟相關的利害關係人做一些討論 |
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那我試著來詮釋一下緊急備援跟自備發電是兩碼子事 |
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緊急備援我是百貨公司我不是生產事業 |
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但是我要緊急備援電梯不能停照明不能停 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
129.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
132.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
萬一有這種狀況發生的時候要疏散顧客對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
132.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
136.2 |
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但是我不需要什麼自備發電來供應我的冷氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
136.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
140.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
因為公共電力網給我營業場所電力我就營業 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
140.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
143.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
公共電力網中斷我可能就營業中斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
143.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
145.64 |
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我只要把顧客疏散好就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
145.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
151 |
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但是製造業它不同我們希望減輕公共電力網的負荷 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
151 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
153.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
希望大電力用戶你要的電自己發 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
153.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
157.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
所以這是增加了自備發電這樣的要求是不是這個原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
158.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
160.04 |
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也有增加韌性 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
160.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
161.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
如果可以增加韌性嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
161.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
165.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
減輕公共電網的負荷讓電網的韌性提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
165.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
168.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
所以這種情況之下過去的傳統備援會用什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
168.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
170.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
才有電力嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
170.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
173.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
不然你看看你後面那個麥克風擴音器後面那個緊急照明 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
173.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
176.92 |
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它用什麼它接去電池啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
176.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
179.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
它接我們現在的電力把它充電 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
179.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
182.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
萬一我們現在電力斷了它裡面的充電的電池就怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
182.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
184.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
就讓它發光是不是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
184.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
187.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
備援電力一般就是用電池不然就是用柴油發電 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
187.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
189.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
可是它發電有沒有風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
190.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
191.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
有風險啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
191.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
194.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
過去在我們屏東的安泰醫院又發生什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
194.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
196.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
它把柴油發電的備援電力在颱風天 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
196.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
198.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
它放在不該放的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
198.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
200.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
引發了這些悲劇 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
200.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
203.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
我們很遺憾它有噪音有空位有光暗的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
203.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
207.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
所以備援電力的設備選項 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
207.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
210.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
我們其實雖然涉及到的是其他的項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
210.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
212.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
但是經濟部要有個明確的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
212.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
215.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
部長你是不是認為未來我們的備援電力 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
215.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
221.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
緊急備援應該要有新的想法減少這些有危害性的這些設備 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
223.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
224.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
所以報告委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
224.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
228.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
所以為什麼就是說我們還是要跟這些利害關係人做一些討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
228.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
230.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
原則上來講的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
230.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
234.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
的確你剛才提到備援的部分跟我們這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
234.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
235.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
自備電力 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
235.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
237.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
自備電力是有一點點差異 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
237.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
239.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
不是有一點很大的差異 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
239.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
243.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
所以至於我們的緊急備援電力裝置的裝置容量 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
243.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
245.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
會記錄我們自備的電力容量 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
245.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
247.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
它用途不是不同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
247.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
251.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
自備電力是你經常性持續性的滿足你自己常態性的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
251.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
252.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
舉例來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
252.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
254.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
我考過上次之前考過農業部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
254.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
257.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
燃料電池它到底是除能還是發電裝置 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
257.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
259.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
燃料電池是發電式 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
259.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
261.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
它是發電裝置對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
261.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
263.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
所以很多人看到電池以為它是除能 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
263.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
265.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
它是發電裝置 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
265.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
267.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
當然相較於柴油的備援電力 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
267.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
271.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
它有它的不同的一個趨勢選項 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
271.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
273.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
那麼它相較於鋰電池的除能 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
273.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
275.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
它也有它不同的優勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
275.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
279.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
簡單講柴電呢因為儲存高揮發性的燃料 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
279.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
281.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
容有火警的危險 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
281.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
283.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
除能一般的鋰電有高溫的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
283.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
285.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
燃料電池它相對的 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
285.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
287.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
它沒有柴油發電的噪音 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
287.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
289.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
它沒有空汙 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
289.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
291.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
它也沒有鋰電池的那樣的高溫自然的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
291.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
293.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
這種情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
293.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
295.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
但是目前我們對於緊急備援的柴油發電 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
295.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
297.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
或者是說鋰電池的除能 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
297.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
299.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
我們有在建築的相關法規上 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
299.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
301.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
有相關的配套是不是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
301.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
303.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
舉例來講我舉例 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
303.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
305.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
按照目前我們的電業相關規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
305.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
307.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
你的緊急備援的柴油發電必須設在一樓 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
307.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
309.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
你不能放在地下室 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
309.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
311.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
也不能放在高樓層 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
311.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
313.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
安太醫院就是犯了這個錯誤 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
313.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
315.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
那請問一下燃料電池 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
315.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
317.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
可不可以放在地下室 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
317.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
319.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
可不可以放在高樓層 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
319.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
321.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
有沒有去做相關的研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
321.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
323.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
它好像沒有這樣的限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
323.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
325.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
它都沒有限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
325.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
327.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
是嗎你確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
327.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
329.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
好像沒有限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
329.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
331.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
但是它雖然沒有限制但它有一個條件的限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
331.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
333.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
什麼事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
333.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
335.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
它要到天然氣管 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
335.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
337.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
對它需要輸氣管 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
337.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
339.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
所以說如果未來的用戶 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
339.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
341.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
他沒有輸氣管的預先配置 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
341.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
343.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
他想要選擇這個燃料電池 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
343.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
345.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
來作為儲能也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
345.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
347.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
作為發電也好免受於柴油發電的 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
347.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
349.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
這些不方便免受於 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
349.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
351.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
鋰電儲能的不方便 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
351.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
353.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
他卻因為原來的規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
353.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
355.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
沒有所以他不能做是不是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
355.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
357.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
所以經濟部有沒有跟你們相關的部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
357.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
359.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
去做研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
361.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
363.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
就是天然氣管線的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
363.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
365.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
是的天然氣管線歸誰管 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
365.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
367.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
367.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
369.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
也是對 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
369.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
371.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
所以他能不能設管線要誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
371.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
373.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
要都計要建築 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
373.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
375.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
要公安對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
375.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
377.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
那再問一個問題我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
377.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
379.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
對於綠電無碳的綠電是有獎勵 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
379.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
381.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
是不是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
381.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
383.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
我們要求這些自備電力是不是要用無碳電力 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
383.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
385.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
有要求嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
385.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
387.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
沒有但是有沒有用綠電獎勵 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
387.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
389.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
綠電獎勵那是另外 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
389.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
391.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
另外的好 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
391.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
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所以我們了解未來 |
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要符合世界潮流趨勢我們大電力用戶 |
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鼓勵他用綠電 |
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他用的是低碳電力 |
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那如果他這樣碳捕捉 |
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他有沒有在未來我們能源 |
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使用上給予一些 |
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不同於綠電的優惠 |
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書長你來說明一下 |
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他如果LNG有加上 |
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碳捕捉的話基本上他就是 |
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無碳的我們可以把列入為 |
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低碳的對對對低碳的 |
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所以未來如果能源署有制定 |
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我們事業單位他 |
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使用的綠電的獎勵 |
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那麼純綠電大家會想到是氫能 |
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對不對光電風電 |
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但是呢使用LNG的 |
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燃料電池他是 |
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低碳電力未來是不是也會給他 |
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雖然不像純綠電那麼高 |
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的優惠也會給他一定的優惠會這樣 |
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考慮嗎我們會 |
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試同啊他如果說他 |
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有碳捕捉把產生的 |
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碳捕捉下來我們會試同他是 |
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綠電是一樣的是可以 |
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這樣子好那我們來看一看 |
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現在最夯的就是AI |
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我們不只在台灣我到其他國家 |
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去訪問他們也在討論 |
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AI這個算力中心可以放在哪裡 |
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到處要搶電 |
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事實上我之前有跟我們署長 |
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還有我們的原管處局 |
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請教了設在高雄 |
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還是設在屏東這個算力中心 |
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他第一個考量是什麼電力供應 |
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所以這種情況之下 |
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這些算力中心 |
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可以設置在哪裡你們會不會去 |
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做一些法規的盤點 |
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會啊好那最後 |
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主席站起來了所以我希望我們部長 |
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跟署長因應我們這次能管法的 |
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修法你們清楚的闡明 |
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我們自備發電的 |
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政策用意是什麼我們 |
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未來緊急備援的裝置選項 |
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可以做什麼調整 |
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以及相關的法規配套先去盤點 |
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因為有的涉及公安有的涉及 |
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消防有的涉及都計 |
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甚至相關的配置像 |
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天然氣管線要怎麼樣 |
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趕快的去配屬好還有 |
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我們未來AI算力中心可以 |
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放在哪裡是不是請經濟部做 |
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一個全盤的 |
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評估之後有一個明確的 |
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跟社會訴求不是只是在能源 |
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管理法當中做一些局部的 |
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修改讓大家只見其數 |
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不見其靈可以嗎 |
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謝謝 |