| IVOD_ID |
170638 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170638 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-22T10:15:52+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-22T10:23:54+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/7469000803f9b6aafa49cff7828aea064220b467350b4647aeb2ac4a95fc824b165d56d12b5959f05ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:15:52 - 10:23:54 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：一、繼續審查：
（一） 本院委員賴瑞隆等17人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（二） 本院委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具「能源管理法第七條條文修正草案」案。
（三） 本院委員蔡其昌等19人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（四） 本院委員鍾佳濱等20人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（五） 本院委員邱議瑩等17人擬具「能源管理法增訂第十九條之二及第二十七條之一條文草案」案。
二、審查：
（六） 行政院函請審議「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」。
（七） 本院委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等17人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（八） 本院委員郭國文等16人擬具「能源管理法增訂第十九條之二及第二十七條之一條文草案」案。
（九） 本院委員徐欣瑩等16人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（十） 本院委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具「能源管理法第二條條文修正草案」案。
（十一） 本院委員楊瓊瓔等23人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（十二） 本院委員陳亭妃等20人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（十三） 本院委員邱志偉等16人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。（詢答）
（第十三案如未接獲院會交付審查之議事處來文，則不予審查。）） |
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好 下一位資源請鄭天才委員 |
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22 |
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主席有請部長 |
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請經濟部公務長 |
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部長好 今天審查能源管理法 上次也有詢答過 |
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因為行政院版最近才送來 所以今天審查 |
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這個能源管理法第二條 行政院版有第二條 |
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本席又提出第二條增加再生能源 |
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行政院版有多一個第七款 熱能 |
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71 |
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熱能這兩個字 目前沒有定義 看不出來 我看了所有的法規沒有定義 |
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79 |
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在我們現行的能源管理法第四條 有熱能這兩個字 |
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79 |
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82 |
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所以這個我們等一下可以討論 |
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88 |
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在行政院版的說明裡面 針對熱能 |
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88 |
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91 |
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在說明二裡面特別提到 |
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101 |
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考量第四條有關氣電供生之規定 實務上以那管增氣及熱能 |
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所以到底是增氣還是熱能 還是兩個字一樣的 |
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所以就必須要去考量 |
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熱能既然已經放在本法所稱的能源 |
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那要不要另外把熱能 要不要另外做定義 |
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這個是需要去討論的 |
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125 |
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138 |
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因為再生能源發展條例第三條對於再生能源有做定義 |
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138 |
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142 |
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它包含了太陽能 生殖能 地熱能 |
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142 |
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所以如果沒有去注意看 以為熱能就是地熱能 |
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沒有去注意看的話就是說行政院版未來通過的話 |
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159 |
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這個熱能第七款就會誤以為 |
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所以這個部分會有這樣的一個可能性 |
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因為畢竟執行的或是民間 |
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172 |
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他未必法規那麼的詳細的去看 |
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所以這個部分因為在再生能源的定義裡面 |
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181 |
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譬如說這個生殖能是什麼 另外再定義 |
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181 |
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185 |
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地熱能另外再定義 海洋能也另外定義 |
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185 |
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191 |
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所以我們在針對能源管理法第二條行政院版 |
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195 |
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加了一個熱能 所以就必須考量 |
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195 |
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199 |
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何況第十條就有熱能的用字 但是沒有定義 |
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199 |
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205 |
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所以這個部分為了讓大家都能夠很明確去了解 |
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205 |
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209 |
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我們再請行政院經濟部 |
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214 |
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這邊在研議在我們逐條審查的時候 |
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214 |
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219 |
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是不是要做這樣的一個 增加這樣的一個定義 |
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219 |
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225 |
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所以這個部分我們再請經濟部這邊再評估 |
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225 |
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227 |
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好 可以嗎 |
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227 |
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229 |
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我們再看看要再說明裡面 |
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229 |
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232 |
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增加您剛剛提到的定義或是在哪裡 |
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232 |
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234 |
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我們來加強說明 |
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234 |
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238 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
對對對 或是說能夠另外定義更好 |
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238 |
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241 |
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這個是會 因為等於是有 |
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250 |
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它是跟這個再生能源發展條例的地熱能有所區別 |
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250 |
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253 |
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就會很明確 就會很清楚 |
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253 |
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256 |
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不然會一下子以為是這個地熱能 |
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256 |
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260 |
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因為這個地熱能相關的這些定義 |
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260 |
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264 |
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定義或是相關的這些規定 |
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264 |
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266 |
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也都有相關的規定 |
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266 |
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274 |
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譬如說 因為有再生能源條例有地熱能 |
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274 |
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281 |
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所以才會有地熱能碳刊以開發許可及管理辦法第九條 |
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281 |
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286 |
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它就有 所以這個會牽扯到 會相關 |
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286 |
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288 |
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所以我的建議就是說 |
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288 |
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292 |
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地熱能的部分 如果能做出定義的話 |
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292 |
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298 |
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如果 當然我們在築條的時候可以把它納入 |
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298 |
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300 |
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這是第一個 |
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300 |
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303 |
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那我就回到這個地熱能這邊 |
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303 |
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308 |
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因為它是一個再生能源發展條例所明定的地熱能 |
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308 |
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315 |
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所以相關地熱能的這些要去碳刊或是開發許可 |
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315 |
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318 |
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就訂了一個管理辦法 |
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318 |
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322 |
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這管理辦法裡面第四款 |
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322 |
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326 |
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第一項的第四款 第九條的第四款 |
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334 |
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開發場址未以原住民族土地或部落及其周邊一定範圍內之供有土地者 |
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334 |
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338 |
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應檢附於原住民族基本法第21條規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
338 |
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341 |
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辦理之相關證明文件 |
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342 |
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344 |
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現在在執行上 |
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344 |
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347 |
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這個原住民族部落 |
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347 |
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352 |
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跟我們的這些開發單位 |
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352 |
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356 |
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或是這個主管機關 |
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356 |
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361 |
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會產生一個一直以來的爭議 |
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365 |
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就是說這個 因為你們寫的是開發場址 |
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365 |
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367 |
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開發場址 |
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367 |
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371 |
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地熱能的開發場址 |
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371 |
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375 |
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要依原基法21條 |
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375 |
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381 |
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就變成說通常開發場址就是在地熱能的前面 |
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381 |
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384 |
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一個開發場址 |
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384 |
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386 |
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事實上地熱在裡面 |
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386 |
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390 |
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地熱能在裡面 |
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390 |
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396 |
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它的周邊就不是這個旁邊的部落 |
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396 |
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399 |
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它可能會是另外一個部落 |
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403 |
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就會產生這樣的一個疑義 |
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406 |
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事實上我在這個 |
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406 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
408 |
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我有召開過協調會 |
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412 |
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也邀請過這個經濟部 |
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415 |
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及應該是能源署吧 |
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415 |
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418 |
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所以也討論過這個部分 |
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421 |
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所以你們要去針對這個 |
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424 |
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這個管理辦法第九條 |
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424 |
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426 |
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或是其他的條文 |
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426 |
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430 |
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跟地熱能的探勘開發的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
430 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
432 |
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要依原基法21條 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
432 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
434 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
來去辦理這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
434 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
437 |
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部落諮商同意的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
437 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
439 |
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這個就必須要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
439 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
442 |
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因為現在目前就是有這樣的一個爭議 |
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444 |
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當目前的做法就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
444 |
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447 |
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就是在那個地熱能 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
447 |
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449 |
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因為你地熱能開發場址 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
449 |
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451 |
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當然會比較平坦的地方 |
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451 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
454 |
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對不對 事實上地熱在裡面 |
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454 |
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456 |
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地熱能在裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
456 |
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458 |
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它可能還 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
458 |
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459 |
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可能很遠 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
459 |
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461 |
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所以會產生這樣的一個 |
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461 |
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463 |
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在執行上 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
463 |
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468 |
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對部落的諮商同意的一個 |
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471 |
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執行上都會產生這樣的疑問 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
471 |
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474 |
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所以這個部分請這個 |
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477 |
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經濟部能源署或是相關機關 |
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477 |
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479 |
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再研議好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
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481 |
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來瞭解一下 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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主席，有請部長。 |
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主席 |
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2026-07-22T10:16:16+08:00 |
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請經濟部龔部長。 |
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龔部長明鑫 |
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鄭委員早安。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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部長好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-07-22T10:16:35.705882+08:00 |
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今天審查能源管理法，上次也有詢答過，因為行政院版最近才送來，所以今天審查。是。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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能源管理法第二條，行政院版有第二條，本席也有提出第二條增加「再生能源」，而行政院版多了第七款「熱能」。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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「熱能」這兩個字目前沒有定義，我看了所有的法規，沒有定義。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-07-22T10:17:03+08:00 |
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在我們現行的能源管理法第十條有「熱能」這兩個字，這個我們等一下可以討論。好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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在行政院版的說明裡面，針對熱能，在說明二裡面也特別提到「考量第十條有關汽電共生之規定，實務上已納管蒸氣（即熱能）……」所以到底是蒸氣或熱能，還是兩個字是一樣的，這個就必須要考量，熱能既然已經放入本法所稱的能源，那要不要另外對熱能做定義，這個是需要討論的。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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再生能源發展條例第三條對於再生能源有做定義，它包含了太陽能、生質能、地熱能，如果沒有注意看，以為那個「熱能」就是地熱能。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-07-22T10:18:20+08:00 |
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沒有注意看的話，行政院版未來通過的話，對於熱能，第七款部分，就會誤以為是，所以這部分會有這樣的一個可能性，畢竟執行的或是民間未必會針對法規那麼詳細地去看。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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因為在再生能源的定義裡面，譬如生質能是什麼也另外再定義、地熱能也另外再定義、海洋能也另外定義，針對能源管理法第二條行政院版加了「熱能」，所以就必須考量，何況第十條就有「熱能」的用字了，但是沒有定義。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-07-22T10:19:11+08:00 |
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2026-07-22T10:19:37+08:00 |
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所以這個部分為了讓大家都能夠很明確了解，我們請行政院、經濟部再研議看看，在我們逐條審查的時候，是不是要做增加這樣的定義，這部分我們請經濟部再評估了。好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-07-22T10:19:37.500000+08:00 |
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可以嗎？ |
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龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-07-22T10:19:39+08:00 |
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可以，我們看看要在說明欄裡面增加您剛才提到的定義或者是在哪裡，我們來加強說明。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-07-22T10:19:46+08:00 |
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對，或者是能夠另外定義更好。 |
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龔部長明鑫 |
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好，我們來評估看看。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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等於它是跟再生能源發展條例的地熱能有所區別，就會很明確、就會很清楚，不然一下子會以為是這個地熱能，因為地熱能的定義或者相關的，也都有相關規定，譬如因為再生能源條例有地熱能，才會有地熱能探勘與開發許可及管理辦法第九條，這個會牽扯到而有相關。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-07-22T10:20:38+08:00 |
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所以我的建議是，熱能的部分如果能做出定義，如果啦！ |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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當然我們在逐條的時候可以把它再納入，這是第一個。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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回到地熱能這邊，因為是再生能源發展條例所明定的地熱能，所以相關就地熱能的這些要去探勘或是開發許可，訂了一個管理辦法。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-07-22T10:21:10+08:00 |
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這個管理辦法裡面，第九條第一項第四款，「開發場址位於原住民族土地或部落及其周邊一定範圍內之公有土地者，應檢附依原住民族基本法第二十一條規定辦理之相關證明文件。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-07-22T10:21:34+08:00 |
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」現在在執行上，原住民族部落跟這些開發單位或者是主管機關，一直以來會產生一個爭議，因為你們寫的是「開發場址」，地熱能的開發場址，要依原基法第二十一條，就變成是，通常開發場址就是在那個地熱能的前面，有一個開發場址，事實上地熱在裡面、地熱能在裡面，它的周邊就不是旁邊的部落，它可能會是另外一個部落，就會產生這樣的一個疑義。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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事實上我有召開過協調會，也邀請過經濟部以及應該是能源署吧！ |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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也討論過這個部分。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-07-22T10:22:50+08:00 |
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所以你們要針對這個管理辦法第九條或是其他的條文，就地熱能探勘、開發時，要依原基法第二十一條辦理部落諮商同意的時候，這個就必須要去……因為目前就是有這樣的一個爭議。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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目前的做法就是，因為你地熱能的開發場址當然會在比較平坦的地方，對不對？ |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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事實上地熱在裡面、地熱能在裡面，它可能還很遠，對部落諮商同意的執行上都會產生這樣的疑問。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-07-22T10:23:43+08:00 |
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所以這個部分請經濟部能源署或是相關機關再研議，好不好？ |
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龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-07-22T10:23:51+08:00 |
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2026-07-22T10:23:52.600000+08:00 |
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好，我來了解一下。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-07-22T10:23:53.100000+08:00 |
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1 |
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好，謝謝。 |
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主席 |
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2026-07-22T10:23:54.400000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-07-22T10:23:57.828571+08:00 |
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謝謝鄭天財委員，部長先回座。 |
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主席 |
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2026-07-22T10:23:58.128571+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-07-22T10:24:00.414286+08:00 |
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我們現在休息5分鐘。 |
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主席 |
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1 |
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休息（10時23分） |
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主席 |
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2026-07-22T10:24:02.157143+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-07-22T10:24:03.871429+08:00 |
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繼續開會（10時29分） |
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主席 |
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2026-07-22T10:24:04.171429+08:00 |
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1 |
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繼續開會。 |
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主席 |
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1 |
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下一位質詢請謝衣鳯、謝衣鳯，謝衣鳯不在。 |
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主席 |
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1 |
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2026-07-22T10:24:13.342857+08:00 |
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下一位質詢請鍾佳濱。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（10時16分）主席，有請部長。 |
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主席：請經濟部龔部長。 |
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龔部長明鑫：鄭委員早安。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：部長好。今天審查能源管理法，上次也有詢答過，因為行政院版最近才送來，所以今天審查。 |
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龔部長明鑫：是。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：能源管理法第二條，行政院版有第二條，本席也有提出第二條增加「再生能源」，而行政院版多了第七款「熱能」。「熱能」這兩個字目前沒有定義，我看了所有的法規，沒有定義。在我們現行的能源管理法第十條有「熱能」這兩個字，這個我們等一下可以討論。 |
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龔部長明鑫：好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：在行政院版的說明裡面，針對熱能，在說明二裡面也特別提到「考量第十條有關汽電共生之規定，實務上已納管蒸氣（即熱能）……」所以到底是蒸氣或熱能，還是兩個字是一樣的，這個就必須要考量，熱能既然已經放入本法所稱的能源，那要不要另外對熱能做定義，這個是需要討論的。 |
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再生能源發展條例第三條對於再生能源有做定義，它包含了太陽能、生質能、地熱能，如果沒有注意看，以為那個「熱能」就是地熱能。沒有注意看的話，行政院版未來通過的話，對於熱能，第七款部分，就會誤以為是，所以這部分會有這樣的一個可能性，畢竟執行的或是民間未必會針對法規那麼詳細地去看。因為在再生能源的定義裡面，譬如生質能是什麼也另外再定義、地熱能也另外再定義、海洋能也另外定義，針對能源管理法第二條行政院版加了「熱能」，所以就必須考量，何況第十條就有「熱能」的用字了，但是沒有定義。所以這個部分為了讓大家都能夠很明確了解，我們請行政院、經濟部再研議看看，在我們逐條審查的時候，是不是要做增加這樣的定義，這部分我們請經濟部再評估了。 |
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龔部長明鑫：好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：可以嗎？ |
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龔部長明鑫：可以，我們看看要在說明欄裡面增加您剛才提到的定義或者是在哪裡，我們來加強說明。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：對，或者是能夠另外定義更好。 |
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龔部長明鑫：好，我們來評估看看。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：等於它是跟再生能源發展條例的地熱能有所區別，就會很明確、就會很清楚，不然一下子會以為是這個地熱能，因為地熱能的定義或者相關的，也都有相關規定，譬如因為再生能源條例有地熱能，才會有地熱能探勘與開發許可及管理辦法第九條，這個會牽扯到而有相關。所以我的建議是，熱能的部分如果能做出定義，如果啦！當然我們在逐條的時候可以把它再納入，這是第一個。 |
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回到地熱能這邊，因為是再生能源發展條例所明定的地熱能，所以相關就地熱能的這些要去探勘或是開發許可，訂了一個管理辦法。這個管理辦法裡面，第九條第一項第四款，「開發場址位於原住民族土地或部落及其周邊一定範圍內之公有土地者，應檢附依原住民族基本法第二十一條規定辦理之相關證明文件。」現在在執行上，原住民族部落跟這些開發單位或者是主管機關，一直以來會產生一個爭議，因為你們寫的是「開發場址」，地熱能的開發場址，要依原基法第二十一條，就變成是，通常開發場址就是在那個地熱能的前面，有一個開發場址，事實上地熱在裡面、地熱能在裡面，它的周邊就不是旁邊的部落，它可能會是另外一個部落，就會產生這樣的一個疑義。 |
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事實上我有召開過協調會，也邀請過經濟部以及應該是能源署吧！也討論過這個部分。所以你們要針對這個管理辦法第九條或是其他的條文，就地熱能探勘、開發時，要依原基法第二十一條辦理部落諮商同意的時候，這個就必須要去……因為目前就是有這樣的一個爭議。目前的做法就是，因為你地熱能的開發場址當然會在比較平坦的地方，對不對？事實上地熱在裡面、地熱能在裡面，它可能還很遠，對部落諮商同意的執行上都會產生這樣的疑問。所以這個部分請經濟部能源署或是相關機關再研議，好不好？ |
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龔部長明鑫：好，我來了解一下。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝鄭天財委員，部長先回座。 |
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我們現在休息5分鐘。 |
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休息（10時23分） |
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繼續開會（10時29分） |
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主席：繼續開會。 |
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下一位質詢請謝衣鳯、謝衣鳯，謝衣鳯不在。 |
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下一位質詢請鍾佳濱。 |
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360 |
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委員會-11-5-19-22 |
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邱志偉 |
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邱議瑩 |
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陳亭妃 |
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鄭正鈐 |
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洪毓祥 |
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呂玉玲 |
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陳超明 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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鍾佳濱 |
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楊瓊瓔 |
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謝衣鳯 |
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傅崐萁 |
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蔡易餘 |
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張嘉郡 |
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賴瑞隆 |
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203 |
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2026-07-22 |
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1156601 |
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1156601_00008 |
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立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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一、繼續審查：(一)本院委員賴瑞隆等17人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案、(二)本院
委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具「能源管理法第七條條文修正草案」案、(三)本院委員蔡其昌等19人擬具
「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案、(四)本院委員鍾佳濱等20人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修
正草案」案、(五)本院委員邱議瑩等17人擬具「能源管理法增訂第十九條之二及第二十七條之一
條文草案」案；二、審查：(六)行政院函請審議「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案、(七)本院
委員鄭天財 Sra Kacaw 等17人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案、(八)本院委員郭國文等
16人擬具「能源管理法增訂第十九條之二及第二十七條之一條文草案」案、(九)本院委員徐欣瑩
等16人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案、(十)本院委員鄭天財 Sra Kacaw 等16人擬具
「能源管理法第二條條文修正草案」案、(十一)本院委員楊瓊瓔等23人擬具「能源管理法部分條
文修正草案」案、(十二)本院委員陳亭妃等20人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案、 (十
三)本院委員邱志偉等16人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案（詢答） |
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1156601_00016 |