| IVOD_ID |
170636 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170636 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-22T10:07:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-22T10:15:41+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:40 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/7469000803f9b6aa98258219aa6eedda4220b467350b4647aeb2ac4a95fc824b62af07d6823bbab05ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳超明 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:07:01 - 10:15:41 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：一、繼續審查：
（一） 本院委員賴瑞隆等17人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（二） 本院委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具「能源管理法第七條條文修正草案」案。
（三） 本院委員蔡其昌等19人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（四） 本院委員鍾佳濱等20人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（五） 本院委員邱議瑩等17人擬具「能源管理法增訂第十九條之二及第二十七條之一條文草案」案。
二、審查：
（六） 行政院函請審議「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」。
（七） 本院委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等17人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（八） 本院委員郭國文等16人擬具「能源管理法增訂第十九條之二及第二十七條之一條文草案」案。
（九） 本院委員徐欣瑩等16人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（十） 本院委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具「能源管理法第二條條文修正草案」案。
（十一） 本院委員楊瓊瓔等23人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（十二） 本院委員陳亭妃等20人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（十三） 本院委員邱志偉等16人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。（詢答）
（第十三案如未接獲院會交付審查之議事處來文，則不予審查。）） |
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張鋒鋒 民委員 |
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13.38 |
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15.2 |
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欸 持續喔 |
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15.2 |
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18.16 |
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首先有請我們經濟部 恐部長 |
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18.16 |
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20.16 |
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請經濟部恐部長 |
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25.26 |
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26.1 |
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市委員早安 |
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26.1 |
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28.1 |
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欸 恐部長早安 |
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28.9 |
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33.2 |
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那今天能源管理法部分討論的修正 |
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33.2 |
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35.2 |
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原則上 我們都會支持 |
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35.2 |
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36.2 |
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謝謝 |
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36.2 |
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39.2 |
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但是我第三點我要請教你 |
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39.2 |
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41.2 |
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就是管理啊 |
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41.2 |
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45.2 |
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你們在有五個重點裡面的第三點 |
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45.2 |
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47.2 |
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中定能源大戶 |
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47.2 |
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52.2 |
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應設置自用發電及儲冷設備 |
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52.2 |
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57.2 |
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有助於強化企業能源的自給能力 |
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57.3 |
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59.3 |
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那我常常在想一個問題 |
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59.3 |
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61.3 |
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包括你部長 |
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61.3 |
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63.3 |
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包括我們能源 |
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63.3 |
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65.3 |
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包括台電都講 |
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65.3 |
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68.3 |
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我們2030年以前不缺電 |
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68.3 |
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71.3 |
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今天你把這個條文弄出來 |
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71.3 |
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73.3 |
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主要的用意在哪裡 |
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73.3 |
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75.3 |
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讓我們了解一下 |
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75.3 |
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77.3 |
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那八委員還是要增加 |
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77.3 |
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79.3 |
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因為他是用電大戶啦 |
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79.3 |
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83.3 |
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就是說 增加他的這個韌性 |
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83.3 |
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85.3 |
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電力供應的韌性 |
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85.4 |
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87.4 |
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就是 |
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87.4 |
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89.4 |
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還是會有天災嘛 對不對 |
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89.4 |
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91.4 |
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如果發生天災的時候 |
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91.4 |
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93.4 |
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他是用電大戶 |
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93.4 |
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95.4 |
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那用電的數量那麼多 |
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95.4 |
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97.4 |
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那如果在這個時間裡面 |
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99.4 |
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他有這個韌性 |
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99.4 |
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101.4 |
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我看這個實在是戰爭的一個準備 |
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101.4 |
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103.4 |
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你2030年不缺電 |
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103.4 |
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105.4 |
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核二核三又取用了 |
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105.4 |
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107.4 |
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應該更不缺電 |
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107.4 |
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109.4 |
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所以這條條文怪怪 |
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109.4 |
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111.4 |
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但是我容來 |
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111.4 |
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113.4 |
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這裡面你要 |
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113.5 |
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115.5 |
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那你告訴我 |
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115.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
117.5 |
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自用發電現在有幾種方式 |
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117.5 |
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119.5 |
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照我了解的 |
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119.5 |
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121.5 |
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有一個氣電控制 |
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121.5 |
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123.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
一個發電機 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
123.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
125.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
有沒有更新型的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
125.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
127.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
就是固定式的燃料電池發電 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
127.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
129.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
固定式的燃料紙發電 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
129.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
131.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
是不是保來的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
131.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
133.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
保來的那個的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
133.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
135.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
我是問的 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
135.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
137.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
因為剛好我們廠在紫蘭 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
137.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
139.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
所以我比較清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
139.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
141.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
但是容來要用到天然氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
141.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
143.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
但是容來要用到天然氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
143.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
145.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
要要要沒有錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
145.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
147.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
那天然氣萬一斷供的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
147.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
149.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
你要怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
149.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
151.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
我現在在問這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
151.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
153.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
如果那個是用天然氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
153.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
155.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
發電的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
155.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
157.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
萬一正常的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
157.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
159.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
天然氣供電一停下來要怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
159.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
161.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
報告委員所以為什麼是多元 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
161.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
163.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
有一個是直接用電的 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
163.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
165.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
有一個天然氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
165.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
167.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
只要天然氣不斷他就不會斷電 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
167.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
169.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
我跟你講天然氣不斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
169.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
171.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
你都說好天然氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
171.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
173.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
但是我給你提醒一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
173.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
175.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
我們都不反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
175.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
177.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
因為這是一個新式的能源方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
177.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
179.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
還有一個儲能的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
179.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
181.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
到底要多大 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
181.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
183.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
才能讓這些工廠能用 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
183.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
185.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
儲能裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
185.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
187.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
現在你的電池裡面最重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
187.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
189.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
電池現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
189.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
191.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
也很怕飛機燃燒起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
191.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
193.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
所以這個考量裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
193.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
195.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
你花了那麼大的錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
195.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
197.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
不是天天在用 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
197.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
199.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
只是緊急在用電用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
199.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
201.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
他的投資法不划算 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
201.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
203.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
大家都是將本求利的 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
203.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
205.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
只有台積電有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
205.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
207.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
高利潤毛利能到80 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
207.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
209.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
到80的企業才有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
209.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
211.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
好好考量一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
211.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
213.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
不反對你們說 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
213.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
215.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
把自己的重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
215.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
217.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
納在那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
217.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
219.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
所以自用自備發電 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
219.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
221.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
你現在一個標準條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
221.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
223.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
要出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
223.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
225.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
讓這些能源大戶 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
225.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
227.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
有可以遵循的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
227.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
229.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
不容易投資錯了 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
229.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
231.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
這不是小錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
231.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
233.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
你一個能源的成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
233.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
235.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
都要好幾億 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
235.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
237.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
特別注意這一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
237.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
239.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
再來 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
239.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
241.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
我一直很生氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
241.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
243.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
我們AI資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
243.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
245.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
中心的納管 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
245.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
247.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
那經濟部在7月1號 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
247.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
249.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
249.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
251.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
依靠修正能源開發 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
251.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
253.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
及使用評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
254 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
256 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
評估的整則 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
256 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
258 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
所謂被5MHz |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
258 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
260 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
以上的資料中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
260 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
262 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
要嚴格審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
262 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
264 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
那以前台電的 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
264 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
266 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
董事長在請教他的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
266 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
268 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
他就說討厭以北 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
268 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
270 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
因為電網的貧窮 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
270 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
272 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
所以要設立 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
272 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
274 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
5MHz以上的資料中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
274 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
276 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
是非常困難的 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
276 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
278 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
那在2024年的9月 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
278 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
280 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
台電的供電會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
280 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
282 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
282.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
284.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
台電供電會議決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
284.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
286.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
桃園以北暫緩供電 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
286.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
288.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
這個都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
288.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
290.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
這樣一路下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
290.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
292.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
但是部長你到桃園說 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
292.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
294.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
這個沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
294.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
296.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
5MHz以上沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
296.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
298.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
其實你7月1號 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
298.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
300.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
才修正能源開發 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
300.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
302.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
及使用評估的整則 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
302.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
304.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
大家都很緊張 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
304.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
306.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
到底在桃園以北 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
306.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
308.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
有沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
308.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
310.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
你的電網已經建議完成了 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
310.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
312.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
你那個什麼變電站 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
312.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
314.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
那些都有沒有完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
314.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
316.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
你到底有沒有去跟他們打電話 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
316.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
318.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
現在大家一網一路 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
318.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
320.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
都跑到桃園去 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
320.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
322.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
報告委員因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
322.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
324.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
桃園以北事實上他是比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
324.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
326.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
都市比較多 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
326.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
328.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
那些電網 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
328.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
330.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
人也比較密集 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
330.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
332.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
那這些電網因為你要做算力中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
332.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
334.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
如果是5MHz以上的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
334.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
336.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
要拉比較高的電壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
336.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
338.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
需要比較高的電壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
338.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
340.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
下來不管你1MHz |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
340.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
342.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
2MHz 3MHz |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
342.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
344.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
大家都會逃避到5MHz以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
344.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
346.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
但是我分散視了 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
346.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
348.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
你會受不了 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
348.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
350.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
現在已經發生這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
350.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
352.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
你有地區好幾個 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
352.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
354.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
AI的算力中心在 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
356.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
358.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
那一用電下來都很嚇人 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
360.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
362.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
所以你要好好考慮這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
362.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
364.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
AI算力中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
364.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
366.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
你 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
366.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
368.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
因為大部分電力中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
368.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
370.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
會設在北部 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
370.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
372.4 |
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他們究竟能 |
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372.4 |
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374.4 |
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看管得到 |
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374.4 |
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376.4 |
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那對我們民生用電的壓力 |
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376.4 |
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378.4 |
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會非常大 |
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380.4 |
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所以我們才有 |
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382.4 |
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這樣的相關的規範 |
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382.4 |
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384.4 |
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你如果要超過5MHz以上 |
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比較大型的算力中心 |
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388.4 |
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我跟你講 |
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388.4 |
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390.4 |
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大部分在2MHz 3MHz上面 |
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加起來就很嚇人 |
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394.4 |
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我散視也問你 |
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394.5 |
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396.5 |
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我說AI的算力中心 |
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不是說只有5MHz以上 |
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400.5 |
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才會去審查 |
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402.5 |
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5MHz以下還是看區域 |
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404.5 |
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可以負擔 |
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406.5 |
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這樣子比較 |
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408.5 |
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能避開你們嚴格的審查 |
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408.5 |
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410.5 |
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我是不是先跟你提醒 |
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410.5 |
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412.5 |
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現在已經有好幾家在做 |
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412.5 |
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414.5 |
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如果說很多的 |
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414.5 |
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416.5 |
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2MHz 3MHz在區域 |
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416.5 |
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418.5 |
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建起來但是影響到電網的安全 |
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420.5 |
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大概也還是沒有辦法 |
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420.5 |
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422.5 |
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我現在是跟你講 |
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422.6 |
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424.6 |
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所以你不關心苗栗 |
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426.6 |
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我們有通宵火力化電廠 |
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426.6 |
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428.6 |
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我們在旁邊很近 |
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428.6 |
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430.6 |
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而且我們是屈臨地 |
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430.6 |
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432.6 |
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你有沒有看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
432.6 |
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434.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
美國跟伊朗在打仗 |
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434.6 |
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436.6 |
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他打到 |
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436.6 |
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438.6 |
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那個Dubai的Google |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
438.6 |
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440.6 |
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Emerald的試劑中心 |
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440.6 |
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442.6 |
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先把他打掉 |
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442.6 |
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444.6 |
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所以在台北那邊很容易被打 |
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444.6 |
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446.6 |
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所以說苗栗最安全 |
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446.6 |
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448.6 |
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所有水嘛 |
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448.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
450.6 |
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有水 |
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450.7 |
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452.7 |
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三座水庫還有天花湖水庫 |
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456.7 |
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458.7 |
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我聽到你們聲在響 |
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458.7 |
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460.7 |
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我再講一次 |
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460.7 |
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462.7 |
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不要擔心 |
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462.7 |
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464.7 |
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你要平均的分佈在我這邊 |
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464.7 |
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465.7 |
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打的時候 |
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465.7 |
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467.7 |
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屈臨地也比較安全一點 |
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467.7 |
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469.7 |
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土地也非常寬闊 |
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469.7 |
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471.7 |
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通宵火力化電廠也夠 |
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471.7 |
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473.7 |
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你也跟我們推薦 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
473.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
475.7 |
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你要來導致叫來表揚 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
475.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
477.7 |
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我們成立AI |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
477.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
479.7 |
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專利特區的那個土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
479.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
481.8 |
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給他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
481.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
483.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
這是我們中東女縣長一直拜託 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
483.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
485.8 |
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說這個部長不錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
485.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
487.8 |
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你們拜託他 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
487.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
489.8 |
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把要設AI中心的那一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
489.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
491.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
不要在北部 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
491.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
493.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
用電那麼量會影響到民生用電 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
493.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
495.8 |
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大家會非常緊張 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
495.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
497.8 |
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現在美國加州 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
497.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
499.8 |
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有一個大的AI中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
499.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
501.8 |
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被當地的州長取消了 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
501.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
503.8 |
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所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
503.8 |
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505.8 |
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能不能幫我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
505.8 |
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507.8 |
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拿力推一把 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
507.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
509.9 |
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委員你看我一直點頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
509.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
511.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
你一直點頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
511.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
513.9 |
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你真的喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
513.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
515.9 |
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我就叫我們政府提出計劃出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
515.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
517.9 |
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先給你感謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
517.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
519.9 |
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謝謝 |