| IVOD_ID |
170597 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170597 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-35-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第27次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
27 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第27次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-20T12:01:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-20T12:10:42+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:10 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/09ae2675330bc1e5961a365058b327ba462d4557d658398c86e145b550a0630142b2a9aabf465d0c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:01:32 - 12:10:42 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第27次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告「國軍軍品採購履約爭議與違約致獲裝期程延宕採購策略精進作為」，並備質詢。） |
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0.941 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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545.68409375 |
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546.69659375 |
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0.941 |
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0.32 |
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1.92 |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進 |
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2.43 |
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4.43 |
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有請國防部的顧部長 |
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12.45 |
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13.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].text |
是,賴委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].start |
13.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].end |
14.45 |
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賴部長你好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].start |
15.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].end |
17.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].text |
這個你今天面對媒體提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].start |
17.32 |
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21.32 |
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陳震的一個任性演習 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].start |
21.32 |
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23.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].text |
要斷網 |
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24.4 |
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29.4 |
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就是北中14縣市行動網路受阻 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
29.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
31.4 |
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但是Wi-Fi並沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
31.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
33.4 |
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這到底是什麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
33.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
35.4 |
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是壓力測試 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
35.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
37.4 |
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還是到底是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
37.4 |
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38.4 |
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為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
38.4 |
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40.4 |
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為什麼只cover這個14個縣市呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
40.4 |
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41.4 |
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南部不用 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
41.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
42.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
南部任性能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
42.4 |
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44.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
南部就用了 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
44.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
48.4 |
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南部應該有到嘉義吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
48.4 |
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49.4 |
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對,絕對嘉義啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
49.4 |
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50.4 |
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嘉義以來就沒有了 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
50.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
52.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
大哥,因為這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
52.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
54.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
這個驗證他所選取的範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
54.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
56.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
當然是 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
56.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
58.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
由這個NC他所公布的這個範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
58.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
60.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
因為是首次嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
60.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
62.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
所以他有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
62.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
64.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
他選取部分地區 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
64.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
66.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
然後部分功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
66.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
68.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
然後也不是全部的行動斷網吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
68.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
70.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
我的了解是他把它 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
70.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
74.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
降速到原來4G、5G的百分之一吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
74.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
76.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
應該是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
77.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
79.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
現在外面就兩個問題在問 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
79.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
81.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
第一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
81.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
83.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
為什麼不是全台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
83.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
85.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
東部沒有、南部沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
85.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
87.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
這外界是高度質疑啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
87.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
89.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
你這個是配合選舉啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
89.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
91.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
之前全動署在做那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
91.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
93.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
防空緊急避難的措施的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
93.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
95.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
也是分年一直不斷的增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
95.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
97.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
從一開始大概一個禮或者這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
97.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
99.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
然後後來到去年增加到65個鄉鎮 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
99.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
101.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
然後到今年才開始要全面 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
101.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
103.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
只是防空避難 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
103.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
105.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
他是一個逐漸 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
105.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
107.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
用逐步地區來進行驗證 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
107.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
109.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
外界會不會 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
109.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
111.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
他是一個逐漸 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
111.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
113.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
用逐步地區來進行驗證 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
113.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
115.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
外界會高度質疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
115.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
117.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
你這個動作啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
117.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
119.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
就是讓北中 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
121.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
123.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
你們慢一點點 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
124.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
126.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
相對是政黨比較弱的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
128.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
130.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
來製造戰爭的恐嚇 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
130.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
132.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
那種戰爭的陰影 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
132.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
134.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
讓大家驚 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
134.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
136.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
是另類的一個認知作戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
137.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
139.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
可以這麼講叫抗中保台 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
139.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
141.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
的側翼變這個樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
141.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
143.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
這是準備開戰了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
143.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
145.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
難道不是嗎 斷網用 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
145.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
147.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
斷網30分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
147.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
149.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
然後這個只有北中 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
149.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
151.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
南部不用這個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
151.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
153.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
太明顯了你不覺得嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
155.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
157.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
我跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
157.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
159.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
第一個就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
159.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
161.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
有關 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
161.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
163.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
他這個陳震令性演習裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
163.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
165.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
他將這個就只有這個行動 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
165.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
167.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
我知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
167.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
169.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
行動的行動可以降速 |
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169.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
171.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
然後做一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
171.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
173.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
任性的一個演練 |
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173.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
175.33 |
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那選取這個地區 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
175.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
177.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
已經講了就是說 |
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177.33 |
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179.33 |
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是部分的地區 |
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179.33 |
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181.33 |
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跟部分的功能 那其他 |
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181.33 |
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183.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
有一些相關的固網的系統等等 |
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183.33 |
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185.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
那也沒有全部都要斷 |
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185.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
187.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
那近期行動網路的部分 |
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187.33 |
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189.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
他通訊的部分 |
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189.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
191.33 |
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跟簡訊的部分的功能 |
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191.33 |
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193.33 |
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我的理解是 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
193.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
195.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
沒有我的關係是對民生金融 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
195.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
197.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
跟行動支付就癱瘓了 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
197.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
199.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
無現金交易的癱瘓了 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
199.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
201.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
物流交通停擺 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
201.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
203.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
這個高科技業的 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
203.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
205.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
中下游的供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
205.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
207.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
數位串接的停擺 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
207.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
209.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
這個是老實講 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
209.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
211.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
我不知道你們估算過沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
211.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
213.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
你這樣做大概影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
215.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
217.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
影響經濟產值多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
217.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
219.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
跟委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
219.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
221.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
報告他有關 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
221.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
223.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
醫療交通金融跟社會安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
223.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
225.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
這個四個面向的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
225.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
227.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
應該會有衛福部交通部 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
227.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
229.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
經濟部財政部跟金管外的內政部 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
229.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
231.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
都有相關研擬應變的 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
231.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
233.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
機制他們大概會 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
233.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
235.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
出來再做說明那國防部 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
235.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
237.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
的部分就是說因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
237.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
239.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
是我們在漢光演習的期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
239.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
241.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
國防部也會做相關的一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
241.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
243.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
通訊任性的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
243.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
245.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
你回答一下好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
245.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
247.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
什麼時候可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
247.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
249.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
全部假如認為這個有 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
249.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
251.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
必要斷網有必要 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
251.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
253.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
我覺得30分鐘就太短了 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
253.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
255.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
應該再拉長真的戰爭絕對 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
255.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
257.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
不可能讓你斷網30分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
257.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
259.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
而已可能好幾個小時 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
259.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
261.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
或者是幾天 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
261 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
263 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
一天全部斷網看看 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
263 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
265 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
Wi-Fi可以喔但是行動 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
265 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
267 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
的通斷都看看這個社會怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
267 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
269 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
相關的驗證大概應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
269 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
271 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
都是逐步 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
271 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
273 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
來循序來 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
273 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
275 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
你沒有回答問題嘛你現在只有北中 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
275 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
277 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
加一點的南什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
277 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
279 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
時候全面全島全 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
279 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
281 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
台灣什麼時候什麼時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
281.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
283.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
你沒有回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
285.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
287.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
這個今年這個北部跟中部 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
287.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
289.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
來做這個行動 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
289.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
291.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
的這個這樣這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
291.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
293.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
網路的降速這是通傳會 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
293.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
295.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
統一規劃剛剛部長也跟委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
295.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
297.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
做了說明通傳會 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
297.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
299.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
可能在近期就會來 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
299.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
301.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
跟大家來做說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
301.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
303.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
你沒有回答問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
303.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
305.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
你回答我什麼時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
305.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
307.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
可以Cup全部 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
307.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
309.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
不要只有局部 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
309.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
311.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
打戰是全面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
311.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
313.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
做這個大面積的 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
313.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
315.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
什麼時候可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
315.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
317.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
做完之後會來做一個什麼時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
317.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
319.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
什麼時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
319.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
321.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
沒有辦法回答因為我們國防部就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
321.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
323.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
由全東署來配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
323.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
325.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
在漢光的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
325.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
327.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
尤其是防空演習 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
327.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
329.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
你們這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
329.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
331.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
對經濟的損失 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
331.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
333.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
外面的估算我找了好幾個 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
333.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
335.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
估算的一個估算的 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
335.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
337.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
出列的估算損失 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
337.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
339.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
不是大但是也不是個數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
339.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
341.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
五億到三十億 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
341.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
343.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
一般的估算是五億到三十億 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
343.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
345.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
這個機會當然不是很大 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
345.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
347.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
對國家來講可是對很多人 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
347.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
349.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
很不方便 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
349.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
351.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
351.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
353.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
我有提到幾個部會應該都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
353.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
355.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
做過一些評估那 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
355.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
357.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
比如說剛剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
357.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
359.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
有涉及到的部會應該把時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
359.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
361.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
也是往後延到這個兩點 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
361.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
363.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
半到 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
363.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
365.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
三點就是說會有演練 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
365.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
367.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
這個降速 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
367.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
369.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
只是要配合股市而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
369.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
371.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
盡量這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
371.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
373.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
對他們的應變機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
373.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
375.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
來 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
375.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
377.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
來這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
378.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
380.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
他們會 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
380.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
382.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
相關所應該要當成的應變機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
382.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
384.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
根據他們所要進行的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
384.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
386.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
會做一個比較完整的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
386.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
388.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
389.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
391.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
沒有這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
391.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
393.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
外面對這個舉動 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
393.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
395.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
的一個疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
395.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
397.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
這個疑慮是針對北部 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
397.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
399.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
中部是民進黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
399.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
401.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
選票相對比較弱的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
401.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
403.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
就是散步 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
403.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
405.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
一點點而已啦我就跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
405.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
407.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
一點點嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
407.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
409.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
這個應該沒有政治的考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
409.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
411.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
沒有任何政治的考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
411.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
413.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
那國防部就是配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
413.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
415.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
你擺出來為什麼不全部呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
415.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
417.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
為什麼南部不要呢台南不要高雄不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
417.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
419.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
台南跟高雄 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
419.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
421.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
任性有夠讚 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
421.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
423.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
所以都不用怕這個對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
423.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
425.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
不同嘛來來來時間到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
425.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
427.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
再加一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
427.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
429.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
之前也是做一些小部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
429.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
431.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
的驗證然後再 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
431.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
433.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
沒有這麼明顯這一次有夠明顯 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
433.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
435.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
來我們我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
435.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
437.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
其實你可以看了雖然你剛剛已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
437.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
439.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
對其他委員講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
439.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
441.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
所以我們現在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
441.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
443.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
這個退的人越來越少 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
443.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
445.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
有增加可是人家統計 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
445.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
447.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
的四年招來五萬多 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
447.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
449.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
一點二萬人 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
449.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
451.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
不要當 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
451.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
453.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
提前退伍沒四名 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
453.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
455.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
入營的志願 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
455.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
457.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
有一個人選擇賠錢提前 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
460.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
462.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
這什麼呀這到底是 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
462.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
464.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
這什麼呀大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
464.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
466.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
大家因為你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
465.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
467.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
一直製造戰爭的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
467.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
469.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
氣氛一直製造打個打個打個 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
469.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
471.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
屌 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
470.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
472.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
你剛才說了幾步問題是這個數字在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
472.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
474.98 |
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你解釋一下吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
474.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
476.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
這樣的一個解釋我 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
476.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
478.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
我覺得是可能抹殺了我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
478.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
480.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
努力因為113年已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
480.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
482.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
比113年減少405個 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
482.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
484.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
114年又比 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
484.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
486.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
113年減少了 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
486.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
488.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
所以我的意思是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
488.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
490.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
我們國防部立場就是說看這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
490.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
492.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
提前退伍的人數是趨降 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
492.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
494.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
的而不是往上升的 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
494.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
496.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
如果是趨降的那 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
496.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
498.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
就是我們當然還有 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
498.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
500.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
努力的空間啦但是整個的 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
500.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
502.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
提前退伍的人數是往下掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
502.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
504.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
不只引述一位退將 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
504.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
506.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
在媒體上公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
506.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
508.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
鎖 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
508.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
510.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
為什麼大家退一個人做的原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
510.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
512.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
待遇不夠嘛不如一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
512.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
514.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
外送的 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
514.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
516.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
外送的這個先生 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
516.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
518.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
或什麼的不如外送的工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
518.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
520.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
他為什麼留這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
520.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
522.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
除了強烈人家會提這樣講呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
522.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
524.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
那如果這樣怎麼解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
524.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
526.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
流營的不 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
526.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
528.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
流營率提高那不是這個提前 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
528.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
530.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
退伍人數下降然後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
530.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
532.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
叫114年 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
532.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
534.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
叫113年也增加了 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
534.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
536.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
3000多個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
536.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
538.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
就是我們立法院通過加薪3萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
538.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
540.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
你們不要不給他加 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
540.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
542.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
就這樣子回答就解了 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
542.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
544.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
待遇的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
544.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
546.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
別人說成這樣就難看了 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-07-20T12:01:32.320000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-07-20T12:01:33.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].text |
謝謝主席，以及各位先進。 |
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1 |
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賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-07-20T12:01:34.430000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-07-20T12:01:35.318889+08:00 |
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有請國防部顧部長。 |
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0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-07-20T12:01:35.763333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-07-20T12:01:36.207778+08:00 |
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請顧部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-07-20T12:01:44.450000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-07-20T12:01:45.250000+08:00 |
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是，賴委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-07-20T12:01:45.650000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-07-20T12:01:46.250000+08:00 |
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部長，你好。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-07-20T12:01:47.683636+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-07-20T12:02:05.114286+08:00 |
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你今天面對媒體提到城鎮韌性演習，要斷網，就是北中14縣市行動網路受阻，但是WiFi並沒有，到底是怎麼樣？ |
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0.911 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-07-20T12:02:05.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-07-20T12:02:10.066667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
是壓力測試還是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-07-20T12:02:10.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-07-20T12:02:12.266667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
為什麼只cover這14個縣市呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-07-20T12:02:12.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-07-20T12:02:13.150000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
南部不用？ |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-07-20T12:02:13.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-07-20T12:02:14.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
南部韌性夠，南部很勇，只有北部比較弱？ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.375 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-07-20T12:02:16.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-07-20T12:02:19.955556+08:00 |
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南部應該有到嘉義吧。 |
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1 |
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賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-07-20T12:02:20.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-07-20T12:02:21.233333+08:00 |
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對，就嘉義啊！ |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-07-20T12:02:21.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-07-20T12:02:23.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
嘉義以南就沒有了，為什麼？ |
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0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-07-20T12:02:24.763636+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-07-20T12:02:40.246154+08:00 |
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驗證所選取的範圍，當然是由NCC所公布的這個範圍，因為是首次嘛，所以它選取部分地區、部分功能，然後也不是全部的行動斷網吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-07-20T12:02:40.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-07-20T12:02:48.066667+08:00 |
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我的了解是降速到原來4G、5G的百分之一，應該是這樣子。 |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
1 |
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賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-07-20T12:02:49.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-07-20T12:02:55+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
現在外面就兩個問題在問，第一個問題，為什麼不是全臺灣？ |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-07-20T12:02:55.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-07-20T12:03:01.295556+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
東部沒有，南部沒有，外界高度質疑這是配合選舉…… |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-07-20T12:03:01.740000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-07-20T12:03:19.540000+08:00 |
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之前我們全動署在做防空緊急避難措施時，也是分年一直不斷地增加，從一開始大概1個里或者這樣，到去年增加到65個鄉鎮，然後今年才開始要全面實施防空避難，就是地區逐步來進行驗證。 |
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0.883 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-07-20T12:03:24.740000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-07-20T12:03:56.550000+08:00 |
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簡單來講，外界會高度質疑你這個動作，就是讓北、中地區，你們難一點點、相對執政黨比較弱的地方，製造戰爭的恐嚇、戰爭的陰影，讓大家會怕，是另類的一個認知作戰，可以這麼講：抗中保臺的側翼，變這個樣子，是準備開戰了，難道不是嗎？ |
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0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-07-20T12:03:56.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-07-20T12:04:05.767778+08:00 |
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斷網要斷網30分鐘，只有北、中，然後南部不用，這個東西太明顯了，你不覺得嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
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2026-07-20T12:04:07.330000+08:00 |
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2026-07-20T12:04:17.148182+08:00 |
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我跟委員報告，第一個，有關城鎮韌性演習裡面，就只有這個行動…… |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.885 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-07-20T12:04:17.330000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-07-20T12:04:19.552222+08:00 |
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我知道啦，只有行動網路。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-07-20T12:04:19.996667+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-07-20T12:04:25.044286+08:00 |
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行動這個部分降速，然後做韌性的演練。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.688 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
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2026-07-20T12:04:25.615714+08:00 |
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2026-07-20T12:04:37.107778+08:00 |
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選取這個地區，已經講了是部分的地區跟部分的功能，其他有一些相關的固網系統等等，也沒有全部都要斷網。 |
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0.978 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-07-20T12:04:37.930000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-07-20T12:04:44.930000+08:00 |
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第二個是行動網路的部分，通訊跟簡訊部分的功能，就我的理解是還是維持。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.71 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-20T12:04:45.330000+08:00 |
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2026-07-20T12:05:08.800000+08:00 |
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沒有，我是關心民生，金融跟行動支付就癱瘓了，無現金交易的就癱瘓了，物流與交通停擺，高科技業的中下游供應鏈與數位串接停擺，老實講，我不知道你們估算過沒有，這樣做大概影響經濟產值多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-07-20T12:05:09.050000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-07-20T12:05:26.050000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，有關醫療、交通、金融跟社會安全這四個面向，應該會由衛福部、交通部、經濟部、財政部跟金管會，還有內政部，都有研擬相關的應變機制，他們大概會出來再做說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
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2026-07-20T12:05:26.450000+08:00 |
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2026-07-20T12:05:34.192857+08:00 |
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至於國防部的部分，因為是在我們進行漢光演習的期間，國防部也會做相關通訊韌性的備援規劃。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-07-20T12:05:35.050000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-07-20T12:05:39.272222+08:00 |
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你回答一下，什麼時候可以cover全部？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.722 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-07-20T12:05:39.494444+08:00 |
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2026-07-20T12:05:58.846154+08:00 |
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假如認為斷網有必要，我覺得30分鐘都太短，應該再拉長，真的戰爭絕對不可能只讓你斷網30分鐘而已，可能好幾個小時或者是幾天，是不是一天全部斷網看看，WiFi可以，但行動數據統統斷網，看看這個社會怎麼樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.885 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-07-20T12:05:59+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-07-20T12:06:04.500000+08:00 |
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相關的驗證大概應該都是逐步、循序來做啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-07-20T12:06:05+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-07-20T12:06:05.933333+08:00 |
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你沒有回答問題嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-07-20T12:06:06.200000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-07-20T12:06:11.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
現在只有北、中加一點南，什麼時候全面、全島、全臺灣？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-07-20T12:06:11.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-07-20T12:06:12+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
什麼時候？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-07-20T12:06:13.820000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-07-20T12:06:14.220000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
有沒有規劃？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
廖署長建興 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-07-20T12:06:17.331818+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-07-20T12:06:32.864286+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，第一個，今年北部跟中部來做行動網路的降速，這是通傳會統一規劃，剛剛部長也跟委員說明，通傳會可能在近期就會跟大家做說明……不是！ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.852 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-07-20T12:06:33.180000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-07-20T12:06:40.846667+08:00 |
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你沒有回答我的問題，因為我的時間快到了，你回答我什麼時候可以cover全部，不要只有局部啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.595 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-07-20T12:06:41.180000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-07-20T12:06:42.846667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
打仗是全面的嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
廖署長建興 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-07-20T12:06:42.846667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-07-20T12:06:45.180000+08:00 |
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今年因為是第一次要做這樣大面積的，做完之後會來…… |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.273 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-07-20T12:06:45.180000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-07-20T12:06:46.846667+08:00 |
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什麼時候可以？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
廖署長建興 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-07-20T12:06:47.180000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-07-20T12:06:48.410769+08:00 |
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今年做完之後會做一個詳細的評估。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.533 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-07-20T12:06:48.564615+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-07-20T12:06:49.026154+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
什麼時候？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-07-20T12:06:49.180000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-07-20T12:06:50.680000+08:00 |
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是什麼時候？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-07-20T12:06:51.100000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-07-20T12:06:58.814286+08:00 |
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我們沒有辦法回答，因為我們國防部就是由全動署來配合在漢光演習的期間，尤其是防空演習做…… |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-07-20T12:06:58.814286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-07-20T12:06:59.814286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
你知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-07-20T12:06:59.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-07-20T12:07:21.370000+08:00 |
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你們這樣子降載對經濟造成的損失，外面的估算，我找了好幾個估算，粗略的估算，損失不是大，但是也是個數字，5億到30億，一般的估算是5億到30億，這個金額當然不是很大，對國家來講，可是對很多人會很不方便啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.881 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-07-20T12:07:21.870000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-07-20T12:07:23.203333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
我跟你講。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-07-20T12:07:23.870000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-07-20T12:07:39.370000+08:00 |
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剛剛我提到的幾個部會應該都有做過一些評估，譬如剛剛有涉及到的部分應該把時間也往後延到2點半到3點，就是會有演練降速的部分…… |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-07-20T12:07:39.870000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-07-20T12:07:41.647778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
你那個只是要配合股市而已啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-07-20T12:07:42.370000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-07-20T12:07:58.068182+08:00 |
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儘量對他們的應變機制來……他們會就相關所應該要達成的應變機制，根據他們隨案所要進行的時間會做比較完整的說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-07-20T12:08:01.340000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-07-20T12:08:13.140000+08:00 |
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部長，你還是沒有釐清外面對這個舉動的疑慮，這個疑慮是只針對北部、中部，是民進黨選票相對比較弱的地方…… |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.822 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-07-20T12:08:13.140000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-07-20T12:08:15.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
那嘉義…… |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-07-20T12:08:15.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-07-20T12:08:16.249091+08:00 |
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一點點而已啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-07-20T12:08:16.430909+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-07-20T12:08:18.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
我就跟你講是一點點、一點點！ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-07-20T12:08:19.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-07-20T12:08:25.090000+08:00 |
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我想這個應該沒有政治的考量啦，沒有任何政治的考量，國防部就是配合…… |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-07-20T12:08:25.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-07-20T12:08:27.158182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
你擺出來的，為什麼不全部呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-07-20T12:08:27.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-07-20T12:08:28.215000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
為什麼南部不要呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-07-20T12:08:28.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-07-20T12:08:29.215000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
臺南不要、高雄不要，你告訴我理由？ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-07-20T12:08:29.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-07-20T12:08:35.158182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
臺南跟高雄韌性有夠韌、有夠讚，所以都不用怕這個，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-07-20T12:08:35.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-07-20T12:08:35.740000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
不同嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-07-20T12:08:36.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-07-20T12:08:38.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
因為我時間到了，我就再加一個…… |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.615 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-07-20T12:08:39.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-07-20T12:08:43.006667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
防空演習之前也是做一些小部分的驗證，然後再逐步拉到全部嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.593 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-07-20T12:08:43.340000+08:00 |
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2026-07-20T12:08:44.109231+08:00 |
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沒有這麼明顯啦！ |
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0.857 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-20T12:08:44.263077+08:00 |
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2026-07-20T12:08:45.186154+08:00 |
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這一次有夠明顯的。 |
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0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-07-20T12:08:45.340000+08:00 |
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2026-07-20T12:09:13.470000+08:00 |
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接下來看一下，雖然你剛才已經對其他委員說我們現在退的人越來越少，有增加，可是人家的統計是4年招了5.2萬人，1.2萬人要提前退伍，每4名入營的志願役就有1人選擇賠錢提前離營，這是怎麼樣？ |
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0.734 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-07-20T12:09:14.220000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-07-20T12:09:15.636667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
到底是怎麼樣？ |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-07-20T12:09:16.976667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-07-20T12:09:20.136667+08:00 |
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因為你們一直製造戰爭的氣氛，大家當然都會怕啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.619 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-07-20T12:09:22.980000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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2026-07-20T12:09:24.862353+08:00 |
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你剛才說了一大堆，問題是數字就在這裡啊！ |
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0.722 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-07-20T12:09:24.980000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-07-20T12:09:26.646667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
你解釋一下吧！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-07-20T12:09:26.980000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-07-20T12:09:54.798182+08:00 |
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委員這樣的一個解釋，我覺得是可能抹煞了我們的努力，因為113年已經比112年減少405人，114年又比113年減少了1,152人，所以我的意思是，國防部的立場就是看到提前退伍的人數是趨降的，而不是往上升的，我們當然還有努力的空間，但是整個提前退伍人數是往下掉的。 |
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0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-07-20T12:09:55.230000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-07-20T12:10:00.959231+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
我只引述一位退將在媒體上公開說的，為什麼大家要退？ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.826 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-07-20T12:10:01.113077+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-07-20T12:10:04.856667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
一個很重要的原因是待遇不夠，不如一個外送員嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-07-20T12:10:08.917273+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-07-20T12:10:11.904286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
不如外送工作的待遇，他為什麼留在這裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.765 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-07-20T12:10:11.904286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-07-20T12:10:14.412222+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
這是一位退將所講的。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.222 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-07-20T12:10:14.412222+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-07-20T12:10:21.301111+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
如果這樣，怎麼解釋留營率提高、提前退伍人數下降？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-07-20T12:10:21.301111+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-07-20T12:10:22.301111+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
然後志願役的人力…… |
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0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-07-20T12:10:22.301111+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-07-20T12:10:23.301111+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
但是overall還是有退伍啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-07-20T12:10:23.190000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-07-20T12:10:27.523333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
114年還較113年增加了三千多個人！ |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-07-20T12:10:28.190000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-07-20T12:10:31.940000+08:00 |
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斧底抽薪就是我們立法院通過加薪3萬，你們不要、不給他加嘛！ |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-07-20T12:10:32.412222+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-07-20T12:10:33.967778+08:00 |
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這樣回答就了嘛！ |
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0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-07-20T12:10:34.190000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-07-20T12:10:37.790000+08:00 |
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待遇的問題嘛，被人家講成這樣，很難看啊！謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.579 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-07-20T12:10:38.290000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-07-20T12:10:42.004286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
接下來請徐巧芯委員上臺質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0 |
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610 |
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賴委員士葆：（12時1分）謝謝主席，以及各位先進。有請國防部顧部長。 |
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主席：請顧部長。 |
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顧部長立雄：是，賴委員好。 |
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賴委員士葆：部長，你好。你今天面對媒體提到城鎮韌性演習，要斷網，就是北中14縣市行動網路受阻，但是WiFi並沒有，到底是怎麼樣？是壓力測試還是什麼？為什麼只cover這14個縣市呢？南部不用？南部韌性夠，南部很勇，只有北部比較弱？ |
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顧部長立雄：南部應該有到嘉義吧。 |
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賴委員士葆：對，就嘉義啊！嘉義以南就沒有了，為什麼？ |
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顧部長立雄：驗證所選取的範圍，當然是由NCC所公布的這個範圍，因為是首次嘛，所以它選取部分地區、部分功能，然後也不是全部的行動斷網吧？我的了解是降速到原來4G、5G的百分之一，應該是這樣子。 |
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賴委員士葆：現在外面就兩個問題在問，第一個問題，為什麼不是全臺灣？東部沒有，南部沒有，外界高度質疑這是配合選舉…… |
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顧部長立雄：之前我們全動署在做防空緊急避難措施時，也是分年一直不斷地增加，從一開始大概1個里或者這樣，到去年增加到65個鄉鎮，然後今年才開始要全面實施防空避難，就是地區逐步來進行驗證。 |
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賴委員士葆：簡單來講，外界會高度質疑你這個動作，就是讓北、中地區，你們難一點點、相對執政黨比較弱的地方，製造戰爭的恐嚇、戰爭的陰影，讓大家會怕，是另類的一個認知作戰，可以這麼講：抗中保臺的側翼，變這個樣子，是準備開戰了，難道不是嗎？斷網要斷網30分鐘，只有北、中，然後南部不用，這個東西太明顯了，你不覺得嗎？ |
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顧部長立雄：我跟委員報告，第一個，有關城鎮韌性演習裡面，就只有這個行動…… |
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賴委員士葆：我知道啦，只有行動網路。 |
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顧部長立雄：行動這個部分降速，然後做韌性的演練。選取這個地區，已經講了是部分的地區跟部分的功能，其他有一些相關的固網系統等等，也沒有全部都要斷網。第二個是行動網路的部分，通訊跟簡訊部分的功能，就我的理解是還是維持。 |
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賴委員士葆：沒有，我是關心民生，金融跟行動支付就癱瘓了，無現金交易的就癱瘓了，物流與交通停擺，高科技業的中下游供應鏈與數位串接停擺，老實講，我不知道你們估算過沒有，這樣做大概影響經濟產值多少？ |
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顧部長立雄：跟委員報告，有關醫療、交通、金融跟社會安全這四個面向，應該會由衛福部、交通部、經濟部、財政部跟金管會，還有內政部，都有研擬相關的應變機制，他們大概會出來再做說明。至於國防部的部分，因為是在我們進行漢光演習的期間，國防部也會做相關通訊韌性的備援規劃。 |
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賴委員士葆：你回答一下，什麼時候可以cover全部？假如認為斷網有必要，我覺得30分鐘都太短，應該再拉長，真的戰爭絕對不可能只讓你斷網30分鐘而已，可能好幾個小時或者是幾天，是不是一天全部斷網看看，WiFi可以，但行動數據統統斷網，看看這個社會怎麼樣。 |
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顧部長立雄：相關的驗證大概應該都是逐步、循序來做啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：你沒有回答問題嘛！現在只有北、中加一點南，什麼時候全面、全島、全臺灣？什麼時候？有沒有規劃？ |
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廖署長建興：跟委員報告，第一個，今年北部跟中部來做行動網路的降速，這是通傳會統一規劃，剛剛部長也跟委員說明，通傳會可能在近期就會跟大家做說明…… |
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賴委員士葆：不是！你沒有回答我的問題，因為我的時間快到了，你回答我什麼時候可以cover全部，不要只有局部啦！打仗是全面的嘛！ |
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廖署長建興：今年因為是第一次要做這樣大面積的，做完之後會來…… |
| gazette.blocks[21][0] |
賴委員士葆：什麼時候可以？ |
| gazette.blocks[22][0] |
廖署長建興：今年做完之後會做一個詳細的評估。 |
| gazette.blocks[23][0] |
賴委員士葆：什麼時候？是什麼時候？ |
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顧部長立雄：我們沒有辦法回答，因為我們國防部就是由全動署來配合在漢光演習的期間，尤其是防空演習做…… |
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賴委員士葆：你知道嗎？你們這樣子降載對經濟造成的損失，外面的估算，我找了好幾個估算，粗略的估算，損失不是大，但是也是個數字，5億到30億，一般的估算是5億到30億，這個金額當然不是很大，對國家來講，可是對很多人會很不方便啊！我跟你講。 |
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顧部長立雄：剛剛我提到的幾個部會應該都有做過一些評估，譬如剛剛有涉及到的部分應該把時間也往後延到2點半到3點，就是會有演練降速的部分…… |
| gazette.blocks[27][0] |
賴委員士葆：你那個只是要配合股市而已啦！ |
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顧部長立雄：儘量對他們的應變機制來……他們會就相關所應該要達成的應變機制，根據他們隨案所要進行的時間會做比較完整的說明。 |
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賴委員士葆：部長，你還是沒有釐清外面對這個舉動的疑慮，這個疑慮是只針對北部、中部，是民進黨選票相對比較弱的地方…… |
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顧部長立雄：那嘉義…… |
| gazette.blocks[31][0] |
賴委員士葆：一點點而已啦！我就跟你講是一點點、一點點！ |
| gazette.blocks[32][0] |
顧部長立雄：我想這個應該沒有政治的考量啦，沒有任何政治的考量，國防部就是配合…… |
| gazette.blocks[33][0] |
賴委員士葆：你擺出來的，為什麼不全部呢？為什麼南部不要呢？臺南不要、高雄不要，你告訴我理由？臺南跟高雄韌性有夠韌、有夠讚，所以都不用怕這個，對不對？不同嘛！因為我時間到了，我就再加一個…… |
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顧部長立雄：防空演習之前也是做一些小部分的驗證，然後再逐步拉到全部嘛！ |
| gazette.blocks[35][0] |
賴委員士葆：沒有這麼明顯啦！這一次有夠明顯的。 |
| gazette.blocks[35][1] |
接下來看一下，雖然你剛才已經對其他委員說我們現在退的人越來越少，有增加，可是人家的統計是4年招了5.2萬人，1.2萬人要提前退伍，每4名入營的志願役就有1人選擇賠錢提前離營，這是怎麼樣？到底是怎麼樣？因為你們一直製造戰爭的氣氛，大家當然都會怕啊！你剛才說了一大堆，問題是數字就在這裡啊！你解釋一下吧！ |
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顧部長立雄：委員這樣的一個解釋，我覺得是可能抹煞了我們的努力，因為113年已經比112年減少405人，114年又比113年減少了1,152人，所以我的意思是，國防部的立場就是看到提前退伍的人數是趨降的，而不是往上升的，我們當然還有努力的空間，但是整個提前退伍人數是往下掉的。 |
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賴委員士葆：我只引述一位退將在媒體上公開說的，為什麼大家要退？一個很重要的原因是待遇不夠，不如一個外送員嘛！不如外送工作的待遇，他為什麼留在這裡？這是一位退將所講的。 |
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顧部長立雄：如果這樣，怎麼解釋留營率提高、提前退伍人數下降？然後志願役的人力…… |
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賴委員士葆：但是overall還是有退伍啊！ |
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顧部長立雄：114年還較113年增加了三千多個人！ |
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賴委員士葆：斧底抽薪就是我們立法院通過加薪3萬，你們不要、不給他加嘛！這樣回答就了嘛！待遇的問題嘛，被人家講成這樣，很難看啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[42][0] |
主席：謝謝。 |
| gazette.blocks[42][1] |
接下來請徐巧芯委員上臺質詢。 |
| gazette.agenda.page_end |
386 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-5-35-27 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
馬文君 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
羅美玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
陳俊宇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
陳永康 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
牛煦庭 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
王義川 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
林楚茵 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
沈伯洋 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
馬文君 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
王安祥 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
黃建賓 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
許忠信 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
謝龍介 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
郭昱晴 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
洪孟楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
洪毓祥 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
賴士葆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
徐巧芯 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
王鴻薇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[19] |
葉元之 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[20] |
陳冠廷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[21] |
黃仁 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[22] |
王定宇 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
325 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2026-07-20 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1156401 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1156401_00006 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第27次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告「國軍軍品採購履約爭議與違約致獲裝期程延宕採購策略精進作
為」，並備質詢 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1156401_00005 |