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賴士葆 @ 第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第27次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,320 | 00:00:01,920 | 謝謝主席以及各位先進 |
| 00:00:02,430 | 00:00:04,430 | 有請國防部的顧部長 |
| 00:00:12,450 | 00:00:13,450 | 是,賴委員好 |
| 00:00:13,450 | 00:00:14,450 | 賴部長你好 |
| 00:00:15,320 | 00:00:17,320 | 這個你今天面對媒體提到 |
| 00:00:17,320 | 00:00:21,320 | 陳震的一個任性演習 |
| 00:00:21,320 | 00:00:23,320 | 要斷網 |
| 00:00:24,400 | 00:00:29,400 | 就是北中14縣市行動網路受阻 |
| 00:00:29,400 | 00:00:31,400 | 但是Wi-Fi並沒有 |
| 00:00:31,400 | 00:00:33,400 | 這到底是什麼樣 |
| 00:00:33,400 | 00:00:35,400 | 是壓力測試 |
| 00:00:35,400 | 00:00:37,400 | 還是到底是什麼 |
| 00:00:37,400 | 00:00:38,400 | 為什麼 |
| 00:00:38,400 | 00:00:40,400 | 為什麼只cover這個14個縣市呢 |
| 00:00:40,400 | 00:00:41,400 | 南部不用 |
| 00:00:41,400 | 00:00:42,400 | 南部任性能夠 |
| 00:00:42,400 | 00:00:44,400 | 南部就用了 |
| 00:00:44,400 | 00:00:48,400 | 南部應該有到嘉義吧 |
| 00:00:48,400 | 00:00:49,400 | 對,絕對嘉義啊 |
| 00:00:49,400 | 00:00:50,400 | 嘉義以來就沒有了 |
| 00:00:50,400 | 00:00:52,400 | 大哥,因為這個 |
| 00:00:52,400 | 00:00:54,400 | 這個驗證他所選取的範圍 |
| 00:00:54,400 | 00:00:56,400 | 當然是 |
| 00:00:56,400 | 00:00:58,400 | 由這個NC他所公布的這個範圍 |
| 00:00:58,400 | 00:01:00,400 | 因為是首次嘛 |
| 00:01:00,400 | 00:01:02,400 | 所以他有一個 |
| 00:01:02,400 | 00:01:04,400 | 他選取部分地區 |
| 00:01:04,400 | 00:01:06,400 | 然後部分功能 |
| 00:01:06,400 | 00:01:08,400 | 然後也不是全部的行動斷網吧 |
| 00:01:08,400 | 00:01:10,400 | 我的了解是他把它 |
| 00:01:10,400 | 00:01:14,400 | 降速到原來4G、5G的百分之一吧 |
| 00:01:14,400 | 00:01:16,400 | 應該是這樣子 |
| 00:01:17,250 | 00:01:19,250 | 現在外面就兩個問題在問 |
| 00:01:19,250 | 00:01:21,250 | 第一個問題 |
| 00:01:21,250 | 00:01:23,250 | 為什麼不是全台灣 |
| 00:01:23,250 | 00:01:25,250 | 東部沒有、南部沒有 |
| 00:01:25,740 | 00:01:27,740 | 這外界是高度質疑啊 |
| 00:01:27,740 | 00:01:29,740 | 你這個是配合選舉啊 |
| 00:01:29,740 | 00:01:31,740 | 之前全動署在做那個 |
| 00:01:31,740 | 00:01:33,740 | 防空緊急避難的措施的時候 |
| 00:01:33,740 | 00:01:35,740 | 也是分年一直不斷的增加 |
| 00:01:35,740 | 00:01:37,740 | 從一開始大概一個禮或者這樣 |
| 00:01:37,740 | 00:01:39,740 | 然後後來到去年增加到65個鄉鎮 |
| 00:01:39,740 | 00:01:41,740 | 然後到今年才開始要全面 |
| 00:01:41,740 | 00:01:43,740 | 只是防空避難 |
| 00:01:43,740 | 00:01:45,740 | 他是一個逐漸 |
| 00:01:45,740 | 00:01:47,740 | 用逐步地區來進行驗證 |
| 00:01:47,740 | 00:01:49,740 | 外界會不會 |
| 00:01:49,740 | 00:01:51,740 | 他是一個逐漸 |
| 00:01:51,740 | 00:01:53,740 | 用逐步地區來進行驗證 |
| 00:01:53,740 | 00:01:55,740 | 外界會高度質疑 |
| 00:01:55,740 | 00:01:57,740 | 你這個動作啊 |
| 00:01:57,740 | 00:01:59,740 | 就是讓北中 |
| 00:02:01,820 | 00:02:03,820 | 你們慢一點點 |
| 00:02:04,330 | 00:02:06,330 | 相對是政黨比較弱的地方 |
| 00:02:08,330 | 00:02:10,330 | 來製造戰爭的恐嚇 |
| 00:02:10,330 | 00:02:12,330 | 那種戰爭的陰影 |
| 00:02:12,330 | 00:02:14,330 | 讓大家驚 |
| 00:02:14,330 | 00:02:16,330 | 是另類的一個認知作戰 |
| 00:02:17,550 | 00:02:19,550 | 可以這麼講叫抗中保台 |
| 00:02:19,550 | 00:02:21,550 | 的側翼變這個樣子 |
| 00:02:21,550 | 00:02:23,550 | 這是準備開戰了嗎 |
| 00:02:23,550 | 00:02:25,550 | 難道不是嗎 斷網用 |
| 00:02:25,550 | 00:02:27,550 | 斷網30分鐘 |
| 00:02:27,550 | 00:02:29,550 | 然後這個只有北中 |
| 00:02:29,550 | 00:02:31,550 | 南部不用這個東西 |
| 00:02:31,990 | 00:02:33,990 | 太明顯了你不覺得嗎 |
| 00:02:35,330 | 00:02:37,330 | 我跟委員報告 |
| 00:02:37,330 | 00:02:39,330 | 第一個就是說 |
| 00:02:39,330 | 00:02:41,330 | 有關 |
| 00:02:41,330 | 00:02:43,330 | 他這個陳震令性演習裡面 |
| 00:02:43,330 | 00:02:45,330 | 他將這個就只有這個行動 |
| 00:02:45,330 | 00:02:47,330 | 我知道 |
| 00:02:47,330 | 00:02:49,330 | 行動的行動可以降速 |
| 00:02:49,330 | 00:02:51,330 | 然後做一個 |
| 00:02:51,330 | 00:02:53,330 | 任性的一個演練 |
| 00:02:53,330 | 00:02:55,330 | 那選取這個地區 |
| 00:02:55,330 | 00:02:57,330 | 已經講了就是說 |
| 00:02:57,330 | 00:02:59,330 | 是部分的地區 |
| 00:02:59,330 | 00:03:01,330 | 跟部分的功能 那其他 |
| 00:03:01,330 | 00:03:03,330 | 有一些相關的固網的系統等等 |
| 00:03:03,330 | 00:03:05,330 | 那也沒有全部都要斷 |
| 00:03:05,330 | 00:03:07,330 | 那近期行動網路的部分 |
| 00:03:07,330 | 00:03:09,330 | 他通訊的部分 |
| 00:03:09,330 | 00:03:11,330 | 跟簡訊的部分的功能 |
| 00:03:11,330 | 00:03:13,330 | 我的理解是 |
| 00:03:13,330 | 00:03:15,330 | 沒有我的關係是對民生金融 |
| 00:03:15,330 | 00:03:17,330 | 跟行動支付就癱瘓了 |
| 00:03:17,330 | 00:03:19,330 | 無現金交易的癱瘓了 |
| 00:03:19,330 | 00:03:21,330 | 物流交通停擺 |
| 00:03:21,330 | 00:03:23,330 | 這個高科技業的 |
| 00:03:23,330 | 00:03:25,330 | 中下游的供應鏈 |
| 00:03:25,330 | 00:03:27,330 | 數位串接的停擺 |
| 00:03:27,330 | 00:03:29,330 | 這個是老實講 |
| 00:03:29,330 | 00:03:31,330 | 我不知道你們估算過沒有 |
| 00:03:31,330 | 00:03:33,330 | 你這樣做大概影響 |
| 00:03:35,050 | 00:03:37,050 | 影響經濟產值多少 |
| 00:03:37,050 | 00:03:39,050 | 跟委員 |
| 00:03:39,050 | 00:03:41,050 | 報告他有關 |
| 00:03:41,050 | 00:03:43,050 | 醫療交通金融跟社會安全 |
| 00:03:43,050 | 00:03:45,050 | 這個四個面向的部分 |
| 00:03:45,050 | 00:03:47,050 | 應該會有衛福部交通部 |
| 00:03:47,050 | 00:03:49,050 | 經濟部財政部跟金管外的內政部 |
| 00:03:49,050 | 00:03:51,050 | 都有相關研擬應變的 |
| 00:03:51,050 | 00:03:53,050 | 機制他們大概會 |
| 00:03:53,050 | 00:03:55,050 | 出來再做說明那國防部 |
| 00:03:55,050 | 00:03:57,050 | 的部分就是說因為 |
| 00:03:57,050 | 00:03:59,050 | 是我們在漢光演習的期間 |
| 00:03:59,050 | 00:04:01,050 | 國防部也會做相關的一些 |
| 00:04:01,050 | 00:04:03,050 | 通訊任性的一個 |
| 00:04:03,050 | 00:04:05,050 | 你回答一下好不好 |
| 00:04:05,050 | 00:04:07,050 | 什麼時候可以 |
| 00:04:07,050 | 00:04:09,050 | 全部假如認為這個有 |
| 00:04:09,050 | 00:04:11,050 | 必要斷網有必要 |
| 00:04:11,050 | 00:04:13,050 | 我覺得30分鐘就太短了 |
| 00:04:13,050 | 00:04:15,050 | 應該再拉長真的戰爭絕對 |
| 00:04:15,050 | 00:04:17,050 | 不可能讓你斷網30分鐘 |
| 00:04:17,050 | 00:04:19,050 | 而已可能好幾個小時 |
| 00:04:19,050 | 00:04:21,050 | 或者是幾天 |
| 00:04:21,000 | 00:04:23,000 | 一天全部斷網看看 |
| 00:04:23,000 | 00:04:25,000 | Wi-Fi可以喔但是行動 |
| 00:04:25,000 | 00:04:27,000 | 的通斷都看看這個社會怎麼樣 |
| 00:04:27,000 | 00:04:29,000 | 相關的驗證大概應該 |
| 00:04:29,000 | 00:04:31,000 | 都是逐步 |
| 00:04:31,000 | 00:04:33,000 | 來循序來 |
| 00:04:33,000 | 00:04:35,000 | 你沒有回答問題嘛你現在只有北中 |
| 00:04:35,000 | 00:04:37,000 | 加一點的南什麼 |
| 00:04:37,000 | 00:04:39,000 | 時候全面全島全 |
| 00:04:39,000 | 00:04:41,000 | 台灣什麼時候什麼時候 |
| 00:04:41,420 | 00:04:43,420 | 你沒有回答 |
| 00:04:45,150 | 00:04:47,150 | 這個今年這個北部跟中部 |
| 00:04:47,150 | 00:04:49,150 | 來做這個行動 |
| 00:04:49,150 | 00:04:51,150 | 的這個這樣這個 |
| 00:04:51,150 | 00:04:53,150 | 網路的降速這是通傳會 |
| 00:04:53,150 | 00:04:55,150 | 統一規劃剛剛部長也跟委員 |
| 00:04:55,150 | 00:04:57,150 | 做了說明通傳會 |
| 00:04:57,150 | 00:04:59,150 | 可能在近期就會來 |
| 00:04:59,150 | 00:05:01,150 | 跟大家來做說明 |
| 00:05:01,180 | 00:05:03,180 | 你沒有回答問題 |
| 00:05:03,180 | 00:05:05,180 | 你回答我什麼時候 |
| 00:05:05,180 | 00:05:07,180 | 可以Cup全部 |
| 00:05:07,180 | 00:05:09,180 | 不要只有局部 |
| 00:05:09,180 | 00:05:11,180 | 打戰是全面的 |
| 00:05:11,180 | 00:05:13,180 | 做這個大面積的 |
| 00:05:13,180 | 00:05:15,180 | 什麼時候可以 |
| 00:05:15,180 | 00:05:17,180 | 做完之後會來做一個什麼時候 |
| 00:05:17,180 | 00:05:19,180 | 什麼時候 |
| 00:05:19,100 | 00:05:21,100 | 沒有辦法回答因為我們國防部就是 |
| 00:05:21,100 | 00:05:23,100 | 由全東署來配合 |
| 00:05:23,100 | 00:05:25,100 | 在漢光的這個 |
| 00:05:25,100 | 00:05:27,100 | 尤其是防空演習 |
| 00:05:27,100 | 00:05:29,100 | 你們這樣子 |
| 00:05:29,100 | 00:05:31,100 | 對經濟的損失 |
| 00:05:31,100 | 00:05:33,100 | 外面的估算我找了好幾個 |
| 00:05:33,100 | 00:05:35,100 | 估算的一個估算的 |
| 00:05:35,100 | 00:05:37,100 | 出列的估算損失 |
| 00:05:37,720 | 00:05:39,720 | 不是大但是也不是個數字 |
| 00:05:39,720 | 00:05:41,720 | 五億到三十億 |
| 00:05:41,870 | 00:05:43,870 | 一般的估算是五億到三十億 |
| 00:05:43,870 | 00:05:45,870 | 這個機會當然不是很大 |
| 00:05:45,870 | 00:05:47,870 | 對國家來講可是對很多人 |
| 00:05:47,870 | 00:05:49,870 | 很不方便 |
| 00:05:49,870 | 00:05:51,870 | 跟你講 |
| 00:05:51,870 | 00:05:53,870 | 我有提到幾個部會應該都有 |
| 00:05:53,870 | 00:05:55,870 | 做過一些評估那 |
| 00:05:55,870 | 00:05:57,870 | 比如說剛剛 |
| 00:05:57,870 | 00:05:59,870 | 有涉及到的部會應該把時間 |
| 00:05:59,870 | 00:06:01,870 | 也是往後延到這個兩點 |
| 00:06:01,870 | 00:06:03,870 | 半到 |
| 00:06:03,870 | 00:06:05,870 | 三點就是說會有演練 |
| 00:06:05,870 | 00:06:07,870 | 這個降速 |
| 00:06:07,870 | 00:06:09,870 | 只是要配合股市而已 |
| 00:06:09,870 | 00:06:11,870 | 盡量這個 |
| 00:06:11,870 | 00:06:13,870 | 對他們的應變機制 |
| 00:06:13,870 | 00:06:15,870 | 來 |
| 00:06:15,870 | 00:06:17,870 | 來這個 |
| 00:06:18,250 | 00:06:20,250 | 他們會 |
| 00:06:20,250 | 00:06:22,250 | 相關所應該要當成的應變機制 |
| 00:06:22,250 | 00:06:24,250 | 根據他們所要進行的時間 |
| 00:06:24,250 | 00:06:26,250 | 會做一個比較完整的說明 |
| 00:06:26,250 | 00:06:28,250 | 這樣 |
| 00:06:29,340 | 00:06:31,340 | 沒有這個 |
| 00:06:31,340 | 00:06:33,340 | 外面對這個舉動 |
| 00:06:33,340 | 00:06:35,340 | 的一個疑慮 |
| 00:06:35,340 | 00:06:37,340 | 這個疑慮是針對北部 |
| 00:06:37,340 | 00:06:39,340 | 中部是民進黨 |
| 00:06:39,340 | 00:06:41,340 | 選票相對比較弱的地方 |
| 00:06:41,340 | 00:06:43,340 | 就是散步 |
| 00:06:43,340 | 00:06:45,340 | 一點點而已啦我就跟你講 |
| 00:06:45,340 | 00:06:47,340 | 一點點嘛 |
| 00:06:47,340 | 00:06:49,340 | 這個應該沒有政治的考量 |
| 00:06:49,340 | 00:06:51,340 | 沒有任何政治的考量 |
| 00:06:51,340 | 00:06:53,340 | 那國防部就是配合 |
| 00:06:53,340 | 00:06:55,340 | 你擺出來為什麼不全部呢 |
| 00:06:55,340 | 00:06:57,340 | 為什麼南部不要呢台南不要高雄不要 |
| 00:06:57,340 | 00:06:59,340 | 台南跟高雄 |
| 00:06:59,340 | 00:07:01,340 | 任性有夠讚 |
| 00:07:01,340 | 00:07:03,340 | 所以都不用怕這個對不對 |
| 00:07:03,340 | 00:07:05,340 | 不同嘛來來來時間到了 |
| 00:07:05,340 | 00:07:07,340 | 再加一個 |
| 00:07:07,340 | 00:07:09,340 | 之前也是做一些小部分 |
| 00:07:09,340 | 00:07:11,340 | 的驗證然後再 |
| 00:07:11,340 | 00:07:13,340 | 沒有這麼明顯這一次有夠明顯 |
| 00:07:13,340 | 00:07:15,340 | 來我們我們 |
| 00:07:15,340 | 00:07:17,340 | 其實你可以看了雖然你剛剛已經 |
| 00:07:17,340 | 00:07:19,340 | 對其他委員講了 |
| 00:07:19,340 | 00:07:21,340 | 所以我們現在這個 |
| 00:07:21,340 | 00:07:23,340 | 這個退的人越來越少 |
| 00:07:23,340 | 00:07:25,340 | 有增加可是人家統計 |
| 00:07:25,340 | 00:07:27,340 | 的四年招來五萬多 |
| 00:07:27,340 | 00:07:29,340 | 一點二萬人 |
| 00:07:29,340 | 00:07:31,340 | 不要當 |
| 00:07:31,340 | 00:07:33,340 | 提前退伍沒四名 |
| 00:07:33,340 | 00:07:35,340 | 入營的志願 |
| 00:07:35,860 | 00:07:37,860 | 有一個人選擇賠錢提前 |
| 00:07:40,970 | 00:07:42,970 | 這什麼呀這到底是 |
| 00:07:42,970 | 00:07:44,970 | 這什麼呀大家 |
| 00:07:44,310 | 00:07:46,310 | 大家因為你們 |
| 00:07:45,970 | 00:07:47,970 | 一直製造戰爭的這個 |
| 00:07:47,970 | 00:07:49,970 | 氣氛一直製造打個打個打個 |
| 00:07:49,970 | 00:07:51,970 | 屌 |
| 00:07:50,980 | 00:07:52,980 | 你剛才說了幾步問題是這個數字在這裡 |
| 00:07:52,980 | 00:07:54,980 | 你解釋一下吧 |
| 00:07:54,980 | 00:07:56,980 | 這樣的一個解釋我 |
| 00:07:56,980 | 00:07:58,980 | 我覺得是可能抹殺了我們的 |
| 00:07:58,980 | 00:08:00,980 | 努力因為113年已經 |
| 00:08:00,980 | 00:08:02,980 | 比113年減少405個 |
| 00:08:02,980 | 00:08:04,980 | 114年又比 |
| 00:08:04,980 | 00:08:06,980 | 113年減少了 |
| 00:08:06,980 | 00:08:08,980 | 所以我的意思是說 |
| 00:08:08,980 | 00:08:10,980 | 我們國防部立場就是說看這個 |
| 00:08:10,980 | 00:08:12,980 | 提前退伍的人數是趨降 |
| 00:08:12,980 | 00:08:14,980 | 的而不是往上升的 |
| 00:08:14,980 | 00:08:16,980 | 如果是趨降的那 |
| 00:08:16,980 | 00:08:18,980 | 就是我們當然還有 |
| 00:08:18,980 | 00:08:20,980 | 努力的空間啦但是整個的 |
| 00:08:20,980 | 00:08:22,980 | 提前退伍的人數是往下掉 |
| 00:08:22,980 | 00:08:24,980 | 不只引述一位退將 |
| 00:08:24,980 | 00:08:26,980 | 在媒體上公開 |
| 00:08:26,980 | 00:08:28,980 | 鎖 |
| 00:08:28,190 | 00:08:30,190 | 為什麼大家退一個人做的原因 |
| 00:08:30,190 | 00:08:32,190 | 待遇不夠嘛不如一個 |
| 00:08:32,190 | 00:08:34,190 | 外送的 |
| 00:08:34,190 | 00:08:36,190 | 外送的這個先生 |
| 00:08:36,190 | 00:08:38,190 | 或什麼的不如外送的工作 |
| 00:08:38,190 | 00:08:40,190 | 他為什麼留這裡 |
| 00:08:40,190 | 00:08:42,190 | 除了強烈人家會提這樣講呢 |
| 00:08:42,190 | 00:08:44,190 | 那如果這樣怎麼解釋 |
| 00:08:44,190 | 00:08:46,190 | 流營的不 |
| 00:08:46,190 | 00:08:48,190 | 流營率提高那不是這個提前 |
| 00:08:48,190 | 00:08:50,190 | 退伍人數下降然後呢 |
| 00:08:50,190 | 00:08:52,190 | 叫114年 |
| 00:08:52,190 | 00:08:54,190 | 叫113年也增加了 |
| 00:08:54,190 | 00:08:56,190 | 3000多個人 |
| 00:08:56,190 | 00:08:58,190 | 就是我們立法院通過加薪3萬 |
| 00:08:58,190 | 00:09:00,190 | 你們不要不給他加 |
| 00:09:00,190 | 00:09:02,190 | 就這樣子回答就解了 |
| 00:09:02,190 | 00:09:04,190 | 待遇的問題 |
| 00:09:04,190 | 00:09:06,190 | 別人說成這樣就難看了 |