iVOD / 170591

Field Value
IVOD_ID 170591
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170591
日期 2026-07-20
會議資料.會議代碼 委員會-11-5-35-27
會議資料.會議代碼:str 第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第27次全體委員會議
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 5
會議資料.會次 27
會議資料.種類 委員會
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] 35
會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] 外交及國防委員會
會議資料.標題 第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第27次全體委員會議
影片種類 Clip
開始時間 2026-07-20T11:18:07+08:00
結束時間 2026-07-20T11:32:28+08:00
影片長度 00:14:21
支援功能[0] ai-transcript
video_url https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/09ae2675330bc1e5e3bb339ede4a374e462d4557d658398c4ecbf2277d9178736c52fa203661293f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8
委員名稱 謝龍介
委員發言時間 11:18:07 - 11:32:28
會議時間 2026-07-20T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第27次全體委員會議(事由:邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告「國軍軍品採購履約爭議與違約致獲裝期程延宕採購策略精進作為」,並備質詢。)
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transcript.whisperx[12].text 這真可惜
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transcript.whisperx[20].text 又А
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transcript.whisperx[21].text 我請教你,在這個委員會的過程中,你今天要報告
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transcript.whisperx[22].text 那針對這個
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transcript.whisperx[23].text RTX這個案件
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transcript.whisperx[24].text 我上次問你的時候
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transcript.whisperx[25].text 我說本來要請
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transcript.whisperx[26].text 周圍,帶我們來印度
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transcript.whisperx[27].text 對不對,場刊啊
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transcript.whisperx[28].text
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transcript.whisperx[29].text 啊結果這件,現在怎樣
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transcript.whisperx[30].text 刈標後進行怎樣
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transcript.whisperx[31].text 跟委員報告,現在這個案子,福邁公司
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transcript.whisperx[32].text 他規定沒有按照契約
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transcript.whisperx[33].text 180日日曆天取得輸出許可
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transcript.whisperx[34].text 再期待
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transcript.whisperx[35].text 你那時候說我
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transcript.whisperx[36].text 沒有沒有,合約
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transcript.whisperx[37].text 合約都是要180天之後取得
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transcript.whisperx[38].text 才會往下走
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transcript.whisperx[39].text 你那時候說他可以取得
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transcript.whisperx[40].text 所以我不敢說,我們來印度看
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transcript.whisperx[41].text 場刊
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transcript.whisperx[42].text
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transcript.whisperx[43].text 這樣就上去六個月前,這就是那一件
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transcript.whisperx[44].text 這件沒辦法嘛
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transcript.whisperx[45].text 這不怪嘛,這做總統的
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transcript.whisperx[46].text 這中宏耶
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transcript.whisperx[47].text 台灣大陸,我去探聽多少人,還探聽到
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transcript.whisperx[48].text 現在確定不行喔
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transcript.whisperx[49].text 他在七月初,他就超過36天,解獄
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transcript.whisperx[50].text 發四千幾萬
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transcript.whisperx[51].text 啊解獄後
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transcript.whisperx[52].text 目前就在當地上岸
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transcript.whisperx[53].text 要發四千幾萬,他沒錢
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transcript.whisperx[54].text 但是他押標金多少
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transcript.whisperx[55].text 押標金
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transcript.whisperx[56].text 兩千五萬的款
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transcript.whisperx[57].text 差不多,因為我這裡住了,我沒寫
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transcript.whisperx[58].text 剛才兩千多,這樣放著
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transcript.whisperx[59].text 兩千多萬的押標金
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transcript.whisperx[60].text 不良廠商,給他停權
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transcript.whisperx[61].text 停權喔
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transcript.whisperx[62].text 他們就自分一組組
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transcript.whisperx[63].text 一人公司,準備四五十金
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transcript.whisperx[64].text 要給你用
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transcript.whisperx[65].text 所以你可以再出四五十個標案
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transcript.whisperx[66].text 他都能吃得下耶
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transcript.whisperx[67].text 這實在是真的有夠離譜
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transcript.whisperx[68].text 你敢知道
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transcript.whisperx[69].text 你當時跟我們講,很緊張耶
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transcript.whisperx[70].text 如果不趕快採購啊
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transcript.whisperx[71].text 這對我們這個
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transcript.whisperx[72].text 建軍啊,備案啊
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transcript.whisperx[74].text 對我們的戰力
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transcript.whisperx[75].text 嚴重下降
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transcript.whisperx[76].text 譬如說,我都
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transcript.whisperx[77].text 對你們的武神都支持
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transcript.whisperx[78].text 你看我這樣,真心換很多
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transcript.whisperx[79].text 我對你們這麼要小心
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transcript.whisperx[80].text 你怎麼給我放工
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transcript.whisperx[81].text 我今天叫國民黨這裡的國防委員會委員都給我請
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transcript.whisperx[82].text 你都說不能看
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transcript.whisperx[83].text 武神不要抬
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transcript.whisperx[84].text 他還在那邊看,他怎麼這樣
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transcript.whisperx[85].text 跟你說三名,現在跟你說三名
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transcript.whisperx[86].text 不好意思,一定要學會,不好意思
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transcript.whisperx[87].text 沒辦法
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transcript.whisperx[88].text 我電話內面啊
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transcript.whisperx[89].text 沒辦法
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transcript.whisperx[90].text 我想
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transcript.whisperx[91].text 委員關切這個案子
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transcript.whisperx[92].text 那來源輸出國
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transcript.whisperx[93].text 一旦曝光的話
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transcript.whisperx[94].text 就我看法政治上的壓力
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transcript.whisperx[95].text 是會形成啦
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transcript.whisperx[96].text 但是無論如何
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transcript.whisperx[97].text 這個沒有按照企業來提供
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transcript.whisperx[98].text 部長,當時該保密的
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transcript.whisperx[99].text 我們都讓你保密喔
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transcript.whisperx[100].text 是可以公開的,是你們國防部選擇
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transcript.whisperx[101].text 可以公開的部分才公開喔
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transcript.whisperx[102].text 是,那我想我們就是
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transcript.whisperx[103].text 預約來累計這個
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transcript.whisperx[104].text 相關的這個沒收理約保證金
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transcript.whisperx[105].text 跟罰款的一個
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transcript.whisperx[106].text 一個作用
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transcript.whisperx[107].text 罰款敢不敢對方通知啊
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transcript.whisperx[108].text
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transcript.whisperx[109].text 這個是按照目前
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transcript.whisperx[110].text 我們會報到我們國防採購市
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transcript.whisperx[111].text 國防採購市就會一合一
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transcript.whisperx[112].text 馬上就很快
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transcript.whisperx[113].text 會脫散啊
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transcript.whisperx[114].text 他個人現在也沒出什麼來
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transcript.whisperx[115].text 用合成啊
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transcript.whisperx[116].text 好啦,你建議啊
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transcript.whisperx[117].text 你要去看看當時那個
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transcript.whisperx[118].text 壓標金是誰專給他的啊
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transcript.whisperx[119].text 好,我再請教你一個問題喔
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transcript.whisperx[120].text 法務部有沒有單位向你們調這個案子
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transcript.whisperx[121].text 還有那個
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transcript.whisperx[122].text 呃,消極瓜那個案子的資料
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transcript.whisperx[123].text 法務部來查明了
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transcript.whisperx[124].text 監察院也都來看了
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transcript.whisperx[125].text 我們基本上整個我們的採購的
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transcript.whisperx[126].text 流程基本上回覆是
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transcript.whisperx[127].text 沒有什麼其他的
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transcript.whisperx[128].text 流程不會有問題啦
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transcript.whisperx[129].text 台南台南地檢署也來調過了
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transcript.whisperx[130].text 我們依合約,依規定都等
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transcript.whisperx[131].text 為什麼要調
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transcript.whisperx[132].text 我現在就是
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transcript.whisperx[133].text 我要打個bug
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transcript.whisperx[134].text 為什麼不拿出
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transcript.whisperx[135].text 他的來源證明
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transcript.whisperx[136].text 因為人在查
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transcript.whisperx[137].text 這條錢,這塊肉吃不下去啊
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transcript.whisperx[138].text 快點辦公
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transcript.whisperx[139].text 各位鄉親們
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transcript.whisperx[140].text 你看我們的
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transcript.whisperx[141].text 見證案這麼嚴肅
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transcript.whisperx[142].text 我這樣一路給他們雞吃無雙
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transcript.whisperx[143].text 這媽的草
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transcript.whisperx[144].text 我這樣查,台南也有調問
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transcript.whisperx[145].text 查明了,因為這個案子
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transcript.whisperx[146].text 這個案子繼續走下去
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transcript.whisperx[147].text 成交了
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transcript.whisperx[148].text 阿伯來臨了,比較大隻
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transcript.whisperx[149].text 大伯就抓到了
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transcript.whisperx[150].text 所以這個斷尾求生
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transcript.whisperx[151].text 現在緊張了,等現在的事
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transcript.whisperx[152].text 阿伯,別扛
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transcript.whisperx[153].text 見證證就當Honky
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transcript.whisperx[154].text 這樣吃虧,變成我們柴港單位
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transcript.whisperx[155].text 阿伯,別生氣,我不生氣
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transcript.whisperx[156].text 你算他天啊
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transcript.whisperx[157].text 拜託他可以顧其他的財國國王軍購預算啊
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transcript.whisperx[158].text 幫忙一下
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transcript.whisperx[159].text 阿伯,我如果不讓你簽就幫你啊
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transcript.whisperx[160].text
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transcript.whisperx[161].text 阿伯,你要擲兩招讓我們屁股痛
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transcript.whisperx[162].text 我覺得這實在是十點不夠意思
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transcript.whisperx[163].text 他把你台南這裡的案件,台南地檢署都把你調整了,你知不知道
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transcript.whisperx[164].text 調幾個案件的資料
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transcript.whisperx[165].text 這不是機密,他只有調一個RDS而已,其他都沒有
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transcript.whisperx[166].text 阿,韓國那個黑火藥
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transcript.whisperx[168].text 韓國的韓華,也是因為曝光解約
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transcript.whisperx[169].text 是因為曝光解約,還是他無法理約而解約
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transcript.whisperx[170].text 這個我們沒有按照合約取得輸出許可,一律解約
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transcript.whisperx[171].text 我們沒有去做其他的一些另外的想法
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transcript.whisperx[172].text 所以你還基本上有一個把關的態度嘛
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transcript.whisperx[173].text 我是要跟部長說,軍事採購啊,我們知道我們是很困難啊
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transcript.whisperx[174].text 在國際上咧
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transcript.whisperx[175].text 算是要被打死了,真的就是
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transcript.whisperx[176].text 就算是買方的市場也會變成賣方市場
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transcript.whisperx[177].text 這是真的中華民國的問題
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transcript.whisperx[179].text 你還給我們一個交代,有的人是要我們問
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transcript.whisperx[180].text 阿,買一張買就用那個政治對抗
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transcript.whisperx[181].text 國民黨在這兒,都在判國
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transcript.whisperx[182].text 要當武神,不是這樣啦
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transcript.whisperx[183].text 不要這樣用
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transcript.whisperx[184].text 你用這個態度,我是不能接受
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transcript.whisperx[186].text 我給你當一個,過一個月嘛
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transcript.whisperx[187].text 我給你當一個,過一個月嘛
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transcript.whisperx[188].text 你說到那邊危險
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transcript.whisperx[189].text 台灣很危險
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transcript.whisperx[190].text 錢都給你了
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transcript.whisperx[191].text 結果你看,一條一條都給你了
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transcript.whisperx[192].text 在那裡抵擋
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transcript.whisperx[193].text 所以你給我當一個
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transcript.whisperx[194].text 一年一年在這兒,這次蔡鋼岸
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transcript.whisperx[195].text 我扮成國防部長
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transcript.whisperx[196].text 我會把你記警告,口頭警告
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transcript.whisperx[197].text 部長你幹嘛這樣做
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transcript.whisperx[198].text 你會不會這樣做
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transcript.whisperx[199].text 蔡鋼岸一條一條都開火
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transcript.whisperx[200].text 這樣,東京時代,立法院報告的時候
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transcript.whisperx[201].text 都說很緊急耶
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transcript.whisperx[202].text 那不,不酷啦
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transcript.whisperx[203].text
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transcript.whisperx[204].text 一條一條通通開花啦
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transcript.whisperx[205].text 甚至法務單位都介入要調查
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transcript.whisperx[206].text 我很辛苦在這裡跟你說
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transcript.whisperx[207].text 提供一個意見
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transcript.whisperx[208].text 這種案件
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transcript.whisperx[209].text 不要再聽了啦
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transcript.whisperx[210].text 蔡健全的公司
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transcript.whisperx[211].text 我告訴你就是針對後面這些無人機產業
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transcript.whisperx[212].text 台灣有很多投入無人機產業研發
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transcript.whisperx[213].text 五年三年十五年以上的公司
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transcript.whisperx[214].text 我告訴你,如果要做無人機,我怎麼會當
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transcript.whisperx[215].text 你敢當
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transcript.whisperx[216].text 來,滾住,砍人嗎
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transcript.whisperx[217].text 如果我當了怎麼辦
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transcript.whisperx[218].text 我也當過了
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transcript.whisperx[219].text 我還當過了戰車,你知道嗎
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transcript.whisperx[220].text 我40年前就在開玩具工廠
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transcript.whisperx[221].text 你知道嗎
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transcript.whisperx[223].text 對我來說毫無困難
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transcript.whisperx[224].text 但是你們掌握前端的
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transcript.whisperx[225].text 記得授權
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transcript.whisperx[226].text 當你真的授權要給誰
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transcript.whisperx[227].text 就變成他拿到了
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transcript.whisperx[228].text 我在這裡很正式的跟他講
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transcript.whisperx[229].text 不要再有這種
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transcript.whisperx[231].text 然後最後分包到最後
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transcript.whisperx[232].text 真正做了沒有幫助到
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transcript.whisperx[236].text 在什麼綠油有誰的油
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transcript.whisperx[237].text 賴油油都不重要
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transcript.whisperx[238].text 為台灣的國防,大家好好用心來打拚
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transcript.whisperx[242].text 我們都支持
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transcript.whisperx[243].text 也要找一些新的
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transcript.whisperx[244].text 像這個公司中鴻的
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transcript.whisperx[245].text 賣鴨的
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transcript.whisperx[246].text 做這個水質做塞宅的
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transcript.whisperx[247].text 一定要拿我們的錢去當資本當老婆
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transcript.whisperx[248].text 然後你最上游給他
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transcript.whisperx[249].text 他裡面也是找到這些
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transcript.whisperx[251].text 這樣就不理人家
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transcript.whisperx[252].text 在這裡所有委員給你們繼續扶手
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transcript.whisperx[253].text 不需要這樣了
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transcript.whisperx[257].text 這個案件
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transcript.whisperx[258].text 跟胡邁這個案件
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transcript.whisperx[259].text 以及
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transcript.whisperx[260].text 你現在削雞瓜進來
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transcript.whisperx[261].text 純度多少你有驗了嗎
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transcript.whisperx[262].text 我們的合約規範就是99
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transcript.whisperx[263].text 還沒有到,還沒有交貨
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transcript.whisperx[264].text 要到11月才會交貨期
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transcript.whisperx[265].text 現在他有跟你確定會準時交貨嗎
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transcript.whisperx[267].text 那你評估現在他準時
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transcript.whisperx[268].text 可以交貨的機率有幾%
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transcript.whisperx[269].text 有沒有六成以上
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transcript.whisperx[270].text 我懂
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transcript.whisperx[271].text 沒有
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transcript.whisperx[272].text 沒關係,談不談
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transcript.whisperx[273].text 因為這已經差不多外國大家都知道了
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transcript.whisperx[274].text 不是,那個委員
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transcript.whisperx[275].text 我想合約的期限還沒有到之前
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transcript.whisperx[276].text 那合約
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transcript.whisperx[277].text 你沒法說
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transcript.whisperx[278].text 那個,廠商也沒有提到說
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transcript.whisperx[279].text 有什麼延誤的情況
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transcript.whisperx[280].text 那我們當然就是依合約來辦理
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transcript.whisperx[281].text 剛剛君佩局長也說明得很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[282].text 那我們其他的這些相關的
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transcript.whisperx[283].text 有去獲得的這個
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transcript.whisperx[286].text 進行這個相關的
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transcript.whisperx[287].text 正常的採購作業程序
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transcript.whisperx[289].text 我們都也會請部外的委員來進行評選
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transcript.whisperx[290].text 我想
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transcript.whisperx[291].text 這個都是
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transcript.whisperx[293].text 在依法再進行沒有什麼問題
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transcript.whisperx[294].text 但是立法院把你罷官以後
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transcript.whisperx[295].text 你們自己要先做第一審的罷官
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transcript.whisperx[296].text 不需要
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transcript.whisperx[299].text 有的就是我們本地的地下全部人員
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transcript.whisperx[300].text 每年本地的地下全部人員
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transcript.whisperx[301].text 到底收集多少資料
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transcript.whisperx[302].text 你們才可以對他們這麼好
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transcript.whisperx[303].text 看了這個報告
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transcript.whisperx[304].text 我實在說我真鬱悶
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transcript.whisperx[305].text 你會覺得我一路給你們支持你們的威聲
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transcript.whisperx[306].text 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[307].text 我沒像人家說今天要怎樣問你
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transcript.whisperx[308].text 你來說明我都支持你
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transcript.whisperx[309].text 結果你給我
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transcript.whisperx[310].end 811.81
transcript.whisperx[310].text 這個案件我為什麼要問你
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transcript.whisperx[311].text 因為調查局有人跟我說
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transcript.whisperx[312].end 817.67
transcript.whisperx[312].text 我問說為什麼不翻案
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transcript.whisperx[313].end 820.97
transcript.whisperx[313].text 甚至那個資安的
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transcript.whisperx[314].end 823.96
transcript.whisperx[314].text 那個茶葉行
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transcript.whisperx[315].text 他就自己說他是人頭
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transcript.whisperx[316].end 827.96
transcript.whisperx[316].text 我問法務部
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transcript.whisperx[317].text 你們為什麼不調查他
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transcript.whisperx[318].end 831.96
transcript.whisperx[318].text 他說有
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transcript.whisperx[319].end 830.66
transcript.whisperx[319].text 所以我現在才來跟你們
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transcript.whisperx[320].text 問問是不是因為來調查你
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transcript.whisperx[321].text 調查料
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transcript.whisperx[322].text 茶葉行沒有
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transcript.whisperx[323].text 目前沒有
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transcript.whisperx[324].text 目前沒有
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transcript.whisperx[325].text 茶葉電機店沒有來調查你
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transcript.whisperx[326].text 沒有
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transcript.whisperx[327].text 他是因為他是資安的服務
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transcript.whisperx[328].end 850.24
transcript.whisperx[328].text 那個案子是一個資安服務
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transcript.whisperx[329].end 852.24
transcript.whisperx[329].text 目前正在履約當中
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transcript.whisperx[330].end 854.24
transcript.whisperx[330].text 從今年的1月1號到明年的12月30號
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transcript.whisperx[331].end 856.24
transcript.whisperx[331].text 目前履約進度是正常
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transcript.whisperx[332].text 好,這樣我再來問調查局
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transcript.whisperx[333].end 861.97
transcript.whisperx[333].text 好,就這樣,謝謝