| IVOD_ID |
170591 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170591 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-35-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第27次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
27 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第27次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-20T11:18:07+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-20T11:32:28+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:21 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/09ae2675330bc1e5e3bb339ede4a374e462d4557d658398c4ecbf2277d9178736c52fa203661293f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝龍介 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:18:07 - 11:32:28 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第27次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告「國軍軍品採購履約爭議與違約致獲裝期程延宕採購策略精進作為」，並備質詢。） |
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顧部長立雄 |
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835.79909375 |
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0.949 |
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謝委員龍介 |
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839.54534375 |
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0.972 |
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謝委員龍介 |
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0.972 |
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SPEAKER_03 |
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謝委員龍介 |
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856.77471875 |
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0.972 |
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SPEAKER_02 |
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謝委員龍介 |
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857.97284375 |
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0.972 |
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SPEAKER_02 |
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謝委員龍介 |
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860.48721875 |
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0.972 |
| transcript.whisperx[0].start |
0.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[0].end |
1.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[0].text |
我要搶保釣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].start |
3.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].end |
3.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].text |
請顧伯掌 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].start |
4.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].end |
5.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].text |
請顧掌 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].start |
6.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].end |
6.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].text |
剛剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].start |
6.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].end |
8.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].text |
市中心委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].start |
10.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].end |
11.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].text |
用心良苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].start |
12.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].end |
13.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].text |
你們國安部 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
15.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
16.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
沒有所謂的買方市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
16.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
17.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
因為長期以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
17.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
19.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
軍事採購你們都把成 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
19.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
22.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
把我們任何採購都變成賣方市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
23.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
25.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
我們再有優勢也沒有用 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
26.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
27.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
這真可惜 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
28.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
30.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
他剛才說的LOC的概念很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
31.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
32.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
32.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
33.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
33.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
34.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
出了後 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
34.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
35.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
國安部是收割人 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
35.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
36.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
啊拼離約 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
36.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
38.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
國安部就不用去當壞人 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
40.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
41.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
又А |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
42 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
45.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
我請教你,在這個委員會的過程中,你今天要報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
47.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
49.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
那針對這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
50.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
52.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
RTX這個案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
53.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
55.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
我上次問你的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
55.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
57.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
我說本來要請 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
57.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
59.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
周圍,帶我們來印度 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
59.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
61.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
對不對,場刊啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
62.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
64.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
64.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
66.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
啊結果這件,現在怎樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
66.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
68.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
刈標後進行怎樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
69.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
72.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
跟委員報告,現在這個案子,福邁公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
72.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
74.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
他規定沒有按照契約 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
74.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
77.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
180日日曆天取得輸出許可 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
78.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
80.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
再期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
80.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
82.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
你那時候說我 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
82.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
84.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
沒有沒有,合約 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
84.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
86.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
合約都是要180天之後取得 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
86.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
88.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
才會往下走 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
88.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
90.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
你那時候說他可以取得 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
90.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
92.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
所以我不敢說,我們來印度看 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
92.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
94.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
場刊 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
96.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
98.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
98.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
100.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
這樣就上去六個月前,這就是那一件 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
101.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
103.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
這件沒辦法嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
102.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
104.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
這不怪嘛,這做總統的 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
106.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
108.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
這中宏耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
108.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
110.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
台灣大陸,我去探聽多少人,還探聽到 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
113.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
115.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
現在確定不行喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
115.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
119.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
他在七月初,他就超過36天,解獄 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
119.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
121.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
發四千幾萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
121.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
123.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
啊解獄後 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
123.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
125.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
目前就在當地上岸 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
125.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
127.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
要發四千幾萬,他沒錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
127.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
129.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
但是他押標金多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
129.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
131.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
押標金 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
132.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
134.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
兩千五萬的款 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
134.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
136.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
差不多,因為我這裡住了,我沒寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
136.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
138.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
剛才兩千多,這樣放著 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
138.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
140.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
兩千多萬的押標金 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
140.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
142.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
不良廠商,給他停權 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
143.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
145.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
停權喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
145.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
147.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
他們就自分一組組 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
147.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
149.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
一人公司,準備四五十金 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
149.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
151.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
要給你用 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
151.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
153.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
所以你可以再出四五十個標案 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
153.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
155.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
他都能吃得下耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
158.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
160.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
這實在是真的有夠離譜 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
160.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
162.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
你敢知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
162.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
164.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
你當時跟我們講,很緊張耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
164.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
166.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
如果不趕快採購啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
166.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
168.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
這對我們這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
168.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
170.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
建軍啊,備案啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
172.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
174.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
會很影響耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
174.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
176.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
對我們的戰力 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
176.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
178.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
嚴重下降 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
178.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
180.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
譬如說,我都 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
180.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
182.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
對你們的武神都支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
181.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
183.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
你看我這樣,真心換很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
185.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
187.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
我對你們這麼要小心 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
187.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
189.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
你怎麼給我放工 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
189.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
193.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
我今天叫國民黨這裡的國防委員會委員都給我請 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
193.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
195.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
你都說不能看 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
196.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
198.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
武神不要抬 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
198.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
200.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
他還在那邊看,他怎麼這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
200.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
202.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
跟你說三名,現在跟你說三名 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
202.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
204.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
不好意思,一定要學會,不好意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
204.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
206.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
沒辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
208.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
210.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
我電話內面啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
210.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
212.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
沒辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
211.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
213.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
213.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
215.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
委員關切這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
215.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
217.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
那來源輸出國 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
217.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
219.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
一旦曝光的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
219.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
221.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
就我看法政治上的壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
221.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
223.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
是會形成啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
223.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
225.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
但是無論如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
226.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
228.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
這個沒有按照企業來提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
228.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
230.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
部長,當時該保密的 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
230.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
232.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
我們都讓你保密喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
232.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
234.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
是可以公開的,是你們國防部選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
234.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
236.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
可以公開的部分才公開喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
236.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
238.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
是,那我想我們就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
238.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
240.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
預約來累計這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
240.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
242.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
相關的這個沒收理約保證金 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
242.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
244.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
跟罰款的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
244.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
246.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
一個作用 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
246.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
248.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
罰款敢不敢對方通知啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
249.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
251.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
250.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
252.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
這個是按照目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
252.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
254.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
我們會報到我們國防採購市 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
254.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
256.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
國防採購市就會一合一 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
256.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
258.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
馬上就很快 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
258.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
260.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
會脫散啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
260.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
262.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
他個人現在也沒出什麼來 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
264.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
266.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
用合成啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
266.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
268.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
好啦,你建議啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
268.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
270.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
你要去看看當時那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
270.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
272.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
壓標金是誰專給他的啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
274.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
276.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
好,我再請教你一個問題喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
276.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
278.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
法務部有沒有單位向你們調這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
278.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
280.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
還有那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
281.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
283.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
呃,消極瓜那個案子的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
285.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
287.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
法務部來查明了 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
287.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
289.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
監察院也都來看了 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
289.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
291.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
我們基本上整個我們的採購的 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
291.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
293.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
流程基本上回覆是 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
293.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
295.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
沒有什麼其他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
295.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
297.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
流程不會有問題啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
297.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
299.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
台南台南地檢署也來調過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
299.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
301.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
我們依合約,依規定都等 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
301.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
303.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
為什麼要調 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
303.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
305.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
我現在就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
305.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
307.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
我要打個bug |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
309.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
311.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
為什麼不拿出 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
310.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
312.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
他的來源證明 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
314.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
316.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
因為人在查 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
317.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
319.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
這條錢,這塊肉吃不下去啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
322.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
324.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
快點辦公 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
326.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
328.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
各位鄉親們 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
327.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
329.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
你看我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
329.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
331.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
見證案這麼嚴肅 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
331.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
333.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
我這樣一路給他們雞吃無雙 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
334.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
336.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
這媽的草 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
337.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
339.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
我這樣查,台南也有調問 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
342.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
344.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
查明了,因為這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
344.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
346.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
這個案子繼續走下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
346.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
348.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
成交了 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
348.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
350.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
阿伯來臨了,比較大隻 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
351.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
353.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
大伯就抓到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
354.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
356.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
所以這個斷尾求生 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
356.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
358.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
現在緊張了,等現在的事 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
358.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
360.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
阿伯,別扛 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
360.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
362.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
見證證就當Honky |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
363.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
365.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
這樣吃虧,變成我們柴港單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
370.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
372.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
阿伯,別生氣,我不生氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
372.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
374.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
你算他天啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
374.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
378.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
拜託他可以顧其他的財國國王軍購預算啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
378.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
380.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
幫忙一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
381.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
383.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
阿伯,我如果不讓你簽就幫你啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
384.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
386.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
386.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
388.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
阿伯,你要擲兩招讓我們屁股痛 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
394.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
396.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
我覺得這實在是十點不夠意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
397.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
401.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
他把你台南這裡的案件,台南地檢署都把你調整了,你知不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
403.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
405.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
調幾個案件的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
407.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
411.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
這不是機密,他只有調一個RDS而已,其他都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
412.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
414.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
阿,韓國那個黑火藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
414.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
416.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
阿伯 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
417.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
419.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
韓國的韓華,也是因為曝光解約 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
421.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
423.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
是因為曝光解約,還是他無法理約而解約 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
423.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
425.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
這個我們沒有按照合約取得輸出許可,一律解約 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
425.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
427.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
我們沒有去做其他的一些另外的想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
427.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
429.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
所以你還基本上有一個把關的態度嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
438.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
443.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
我是要跟部長說,軍事採購啊,我們知道我們是很困難啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
443.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
445.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
在國際上咧 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
447.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
449.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
算是要被打死了,真的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
450.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
452.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
就算是買方的市場也會變成賣方市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
455.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
457.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
這是真的中華民國的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
458.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
460.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
但我們支持你 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
461.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
463.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
你還給我們一個交代,有的人是要我們問 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
463.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
465.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
阿,買一張買就用那個政治對抗 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
465.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
467.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
國民黨在這兒,都在判國 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
467.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
469.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
要當武神,不是這樣啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
469.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
471.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
不要這樣用 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
471.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
473.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
你用這個態度,我是不能接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
473.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
475.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
我問你,你國防部的武神,我給你當一個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
477.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
479.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
我給你當一個,過一個月嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
485.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
487.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
我給你當一個,過一個月嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
487.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
489.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
你說到那邊危險 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
489.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
491.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
台灣很危險 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
490.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
492.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
錢都給你了 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
492.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
494.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
結果你看,一條一條都給你了 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
494.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
496.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
在那裡抵擋 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
497.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
499.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
所以你給我當一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
499.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
501.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
一年一年在這兒,這次蔡鋼岸 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
501.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
503.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
我扮成國防部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
504.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
506.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
我會把你記警告,口頭警告 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
509.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
511.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
部長你幹嘛這樣做 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
512.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
514.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
你會不會這樣做 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
514.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
516.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
蔡鋼岸一條一條都開火 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
517.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
519.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
這樣,東京時代,立法院報告的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
519.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
521.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
都說很緊急耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
522.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
524.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
那不,不酷啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
525.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
527.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
527.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
529.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
一條一條通通開花啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
530.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
532.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
甚至法務單位都介入要調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
535.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
537.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
我很辛苦在這裡跟你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
537.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
539.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
提供一個意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
540.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
542.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
這種案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
542.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
544.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
不要再聽了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
546.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
548.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
蔡健全的公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
548.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
550.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
我告訴你就是針對後面這些無人機產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
553.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
555.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
台灣有很多投入無人機產業研發 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
557.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
559.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
五年三年十五年以上的公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
561.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
563.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
我告訴你,如果要做無人機,我怎麼會當 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
564.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
566.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
你敢當 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
567.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
569.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
來,滾住,砍人嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
569.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
571.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
如果我當了怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
575.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
577.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
我也當過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
578.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
580.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
我還當過了戰車,你知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
582.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
584.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
我40年前就在開玩具工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
584.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
586.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
你知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
587.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
589.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
那如果以現在無人機的組裝 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
590.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
592.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
對我來說毫無困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
592.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
594.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
但是你們掌握前端的 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
597.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
599.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
記得授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
599.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
601.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
當你真的授權要給誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
603.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
605.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
就變成他拿到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
605.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
607.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
我在這裡很正式的跟他講 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
608.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
610.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
不要再有這種 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
611.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
613.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
給一個同胞 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
612.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
614.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
然後最後分包到最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
614.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
616.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
真正做了沒有幫助到 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
616.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
618.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
我們整個台灣這些原本 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
618.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
620.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
投入研發生產的 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
620.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
622.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
這些無人機產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
623.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
625.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
在什麼綠油有誰的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
625.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
627.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
賴油油都不重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
627.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
629.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
為台灣的國防,大家好好用心來打拚 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
632.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
634.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
台灣我知道的有投入無人機研發的很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
638.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
640.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
不要亂給這些工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
640.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
642.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
給這些研發者 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
642.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
644.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
我們都支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
644.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
646.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
也要找一些新的 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
646.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
648.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
像這個公司中鴻的 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
648.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
650.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
賣鴨的 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
650.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
652.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
做這個水質做塞宅的 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
654.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
656.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
一定要拿我們的錢去當資本當老婆 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
659.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
661.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
然後你最上游給他 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
661.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
663.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
他裡面也是找到這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
663.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
667.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
真正投入無人機產業研發者的業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
668.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
670.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
這樣就不理人家 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
670.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
672.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
在這裡所有委員給你們繼續扶手 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
674.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
676.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
不需要這樣了 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
677.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
679.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
679.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
681.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
我是覺得對這裡的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
683.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
685.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
韓國 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
684.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
686.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
這個案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
686.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
688.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
跟胡邁這個案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
689.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
691.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
以及 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
693.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
695.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
你現在削雞瓜進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
696.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
698.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
純度多少你有驗了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
699.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
701.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
我們的合約規範就是99 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
701.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
703.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
還沒有到,還沒有交貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
703.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
705.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
要到11月才會交貨期 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
705.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
709.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
現在他有跟你確定會準時交貨嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
709.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
711.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
我們依合約辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
712.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
714.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
那你評估現在他準時 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
714.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
716.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
可以交貨的機率有幾% |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
716.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
718.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
有沒有六成以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
721.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
723.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
我懂 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
723.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
725.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
724.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
726.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
沒關係,談不談 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
726.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
728.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
因為這已經差不多外國大家都知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
728.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
730.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
不是,那個委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
730.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
732.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
我想合約的期限還沒有到之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
732.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
734.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
那合約 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
734.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
736.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
你沒法說 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
736.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
738.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
那個,廠商也沒有提到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
738.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
740.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
有什麼延誤的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
740.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
742.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
那我們當然就是依合約來辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
742.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
744.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
剛剛君佩局長也說明得很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
744.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
746.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
那我們其他的這些相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
746.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
748.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
有去獲得的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
748.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
750.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
規劃跟採購的計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
750.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
752.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
我們都是會依法來 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
752.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
754.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
進行這個相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
754.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
756.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
正常的採購作業程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
756.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
758.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
那最有利標的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
758.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
760.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
我們都也會請部外的委員來進行評選 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
760.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
762.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
762.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
764.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
這個都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
764.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
766.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
我根本辛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
766.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
768.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
在依法再進行沒有什麼問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
768.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
770.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
但是立法院把你罷官以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
770.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
772.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
你們自己要先做第一審的罷官 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
772.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
774.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
不需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
774.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
776.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
我們不需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
776.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
778.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
我也不知道說 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
778.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
780.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
有的就是我們本地的地下全部人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
782.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
784.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
每年本地的地下全部人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
784.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
786.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
到底收集多少資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
786.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
788.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
你們才可以對他們這麼好 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
792.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
794.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
看了這個報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
794.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
796.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
我實在說我真鬱悶 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
796.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
798.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
你會覺得我一路給你們支持你們的威聲 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
799.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
801.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
801.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
803.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
我沒像人家說今天要怎樣問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
803.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
805.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
你來說明我都支持你 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
806.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
808.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
結果你給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
809.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
811.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
這個案件我為什麼要問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
811.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
813.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
因為調查局有人跟我說 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
815.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
817.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
我問說為什麼不翻案 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
818.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
820.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
甚至那個資安的 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
821.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
823.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
那個茶葉行 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
823.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
825.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
他就自己說他是人頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
825.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
827.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
我問法務部 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
827.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
829.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
你們為什麼不調查他 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
829.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
831.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
他說有 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
828.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
830.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
所以我現在才來跟你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
831.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
833.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
問問是不是因為來調查你 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
833.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
835.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
調查料 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
835.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
837.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
茶葉行沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
838.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
840.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
目前沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
839.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
841.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
目前沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
841.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
843.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
茶葉電機店沒有來調查你 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
843.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
845.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
845.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
847.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
他是因為他是資安的服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
848.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
850.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
那個案子是一個資安服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
850.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
852.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
目前正在履約當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
852.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
854.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
從今年的1月1號到明年的12月30號 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
854.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
856.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
目前履約進度是正常 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
857.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
859.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
好,這樣我再來問調查局 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
859.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
861.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
好,就這樣,謝謝 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-07-20T11:18:07+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-07-20T11:18:10.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].text |
我請部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[0].quality |
0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-07-20T11:18:10.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-07-20T11:18:10.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].text |
請顧部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-07-20T11:18:13.060000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-07-20T11:18:17.870000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
部長，剛剛許忠信委員用心良苦。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
0.615 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-07-20T11:18:19.550000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-07-20T11:18:34.360000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
其實你們國防部沒有所謂的買方市場，因為長期以來你們把我們的任何軍事採購都變成賣方市場，我們再有優勢也沒有用，這很可惜。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
0.873 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-07-20T11:18:35.450000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-07-20T11:18:45.620000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
他剛才說的那個L/C概念很好，當然存入之後，國防部是受益人，後面履約的時候，國防部就不用去當壞人嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
0.622 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-07-20T11:18:45.620000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-07-20T11:18:49+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].text |
沒關係。 |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-07-20T11:18:49+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-07-20T11:18:59.674286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
部長，我請教你，你今天的報告是針對違約的精進作為，現在RDX這個案件的進度如何？ |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.472 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-07-20T11:19:00.740000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-07-20T11:19:07.406667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
我上次問你的時候，我說本來要請召委帶我們去印度場勘，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.815 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-07-20T11:19:11.682222+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-07-20T11:19:13.237778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
結果現在這個案件怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.545 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-07-20T11:19:14.025714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-07-20T11:19:15.454286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
決標之後，進行得怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
林局長文祥 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-07-20T11:19:16.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-07-20T11:19:24.220000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
跟委員報告，關於這個案子，現在福麥公司沒有按照契約於180日曆天取得輸出許可，在7月6日…… |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-07-20T11:19:27.770000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-07-20T11:19:29.103333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
等一下，你們那個時候說有喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.417 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
林局長文祥 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-07-20T11:19:29.770000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-07-20T11:19:35.370000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
沒有、沒有、沒有，合約都是要180天之後取得，才會往下走。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-07-20T11:19:35.770000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-07-20T11:19:39.770000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
你那個時候跟我說他可以取得，我才會說我們去印度場勘。 |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.708 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-07-20T11:19:45.110000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-07-20T11:19:50.224444+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
這樣等於6個月前你就已經知道他沒辦法，難怪！ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.526 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-07-20T11:19:50.891111+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-07-20T11:19:57.526667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
他是做裝潢的，在我們臺南，我是去跟多少人探聽才探聽到的。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.44 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-07-20T11:20:00.010000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-07-20T11:20:01.438571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
現在確定他不行？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
林局長文祥 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-07-20T11:20:02.030000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-07-20T11:20:07.630000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
他在7月6日就超過36天，所以解約，罰四千多萬。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.647 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-07-20T11:20:07.630000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-07-20T11:20:10.030000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
解約了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
林局長文祥 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-07-20T11:20:10.030000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-07-20T11:20:10.780000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
目前正在送案。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-07-20T11:20:12.030000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-07-20T11:20:15.780000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
要罰他四千多萬，他沒錢，但是他的押標金有多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
林局長文祥 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-07-20T11:20:16.450000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-07-20T11:20:17.783333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
他的押標金…… |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-07-20T11:20:20.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-07-20T11:20:21.223333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
2,500萬的樣子。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
林局長文祥 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-07-20T11:20:21.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-07-20T11:20:24.778889+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
差不多，因為我這裡的資料沒寫，差不多兩千多萬…… |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.65 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-07-20T11:20:25.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-07-20T11:20:27.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
兩千多萬的押標金。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
林局長文祥 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-07-20T11:20:27.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-07-20T11:20:29.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
同時刊登為不良廠商，還給他停權。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-07-20T11:20:30.110000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-07-20T11:20:41.928571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
停權，他的資本額就一點點，是1人公司，他準備40、50間要給你用，所以你可以再出40、50個標案，他都能吃得下。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-07-20T11:20:45.990000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-07-20T11:20:49.490000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
這實在是真的有夠離譜，你知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-07-20T11:20:49.990000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-07-20T11:21:04.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
你當時跟我們講很緊張，如果不趕快採購，對我們的建軍備戰會很有影響，讓我們的戰力會嚴重下降。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.878 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-07-20T11:21:06.460000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-07-20T11:21:33.293333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
那個時候講到我對你們的預算都支持，你看我這樣真心換絕情，對你們這麼相挺，你們居然給我「放管」，今天國民黨這些國防委員會的委員都笑我說：你都說不要刪他們的預算，結果你看他們今天這樣，之前跟你講山盟海誓，現在跟你講昨晚不好意思，那張合約不好意思，沒辦法。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.598 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-07-20T11:21:33.293333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-07-20T11:21:40.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
部長，這樣要怎麼辦？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.125 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-07-20T11:21:40.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-07-20T11:21:55.358182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
委員關切的這個案子，來源輸出國一旦曝光的話，政治上的壓力會形成，但是無論如何，沒有按照契約來提供輸出許可證明的話…… |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.788 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-07-20T11:21:55.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-07-20T11:22:03.358182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
部長，當時該保密的，我們都讓你保密，是你們國防部選擇可以公開的部分才公開喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-07-20T11:22:03.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-07-20T11:22:12.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
是，我們就是依約來累計相關沒收履約保證金及罰款的作法…… |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.84 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-07-20T11:22:13.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-07-20T11:22:14.740000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
罰款已經通知對方了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
林局長文祥 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-07-20T11:22:18.147143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-07-20T11:22:22.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
按照部權，我們會報到國防採購室，國防採購室就會依合約通知…… |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-07-20T11:22:22.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-07-20T11:22:24.490000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
所以還沒通知嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
林局長文祥 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-07-20T11:22:24.490000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-07-20T11:22:25.290000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
沒有，很快就會通知他。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-07-20T11:22:25.790000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-07-20T11:22:33.920000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
他脫產了，他個人現在也沒資產了，父子都沒有了，都處理好了。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.36 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-07-20T11:22:34.586667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-07-20T11:22:39.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
我給你建議，你要去看看當時那個押標金是誰轉給他的。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.826 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-07-20T11:22:41.831818+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-07-20T11:22:50.528182+08:00 |
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我再請教你一個問題，法務部有沒有單位向你們調這個案子還有硝基胍那個案子的資料？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.919 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
林局長文祥 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-07-20T11:22:52.780000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-07-20T11:23:02.494286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
法務部來查明了，監察院也都來看了，基本上，我們回復整個採購流程是沒有什麼其他的…… |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-07-20T11:23:02.780000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-07-20T11:23:04.530000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
流程不會有問題啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
林局長文祥 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-07-20T11:23:05.113333+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-07-20T11:23:08.180000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
都來調過了，臺南地檢署也來調過了，我們都依規定回復他們。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-07-20T11:23:08.780000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-07-20T11:23:19.636667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
我跟大家報告，為什麼他不拿出來源證明？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.588 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-07-20T11:23:21.410000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-07-20T11:23:29.280000+08:00 |
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因為人家在查了，這筆錢、這塊肉，他吃不下了、吞不下了，趕快「放管」。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.538 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-07-20T11:23:33.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-07-20T11:23:49.464444+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
各位鄉親，你看我們的建軍案這麼嚴肅，我這樣一路支持他們的預算，現在在查了，我知道在查，地方也有人說有被調問，查了要怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.556 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-07-20T11:23:49.686667+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-07-20T11:24:05.740000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
因為這個案子如果成案，繼續走下去成交了，後面再來抓，會比較大尾，大尾的就抓到了，所以這叫做斷尾求生，現在趕快斬一斬，趁事情還沒敗露，趕快斬一斬、放棄。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.523 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-07-20T11:24:10.790000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-07-20T11:24:12.623333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
這樣吃虧的會變成採購單位，你現在變成「目睭金金人傷重」！ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-07-20T11:24:18.531111+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-07-20T11:24:35.124615+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
你算挺他，這後面是什麼人我不知道，你算挺他，拜託他可以顧其他的國防軍購預算，幫忙一下，而我們不用你挺，就幫你忙，你有沒有要報兩件讓我們「鼻芳」？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.565 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-07-20T11:24:41.150000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-07-20T11:24:42.996154+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
我覺得這實在是很沒意思。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-07-20T11:24:46.008462+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-07-20T11:24:48.316154+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
臺南地檢署總共跟你調幾個案件的資料，你知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.476 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-07-20T11:24:50.140000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-07-20T11:24:51.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
調幾個案件的資料？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-07-20T11:24:54.140000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-07-20T11:24:54.901905+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
這不是機密嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-07-20T11:24:54.901905+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-07-20T11:24:55.901905+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
這可以說明嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
林局長文祥 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-07-20T11:24:55.092381+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-07-20T11:24:57.949524+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
他只有來調一個RDX而已，其他都沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-07-20T11:24:59.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-07-20T11:25:01.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
韓國的火藥也沒有嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.444 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
林局長文祥 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-07-20T11:25:04.470000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-07-20T11:25:06.316154+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
韓國的韓華也是因為曝光解約。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-07-20T11:25:08.820000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-07-20T11:25:10.702353+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
是因為曝光解約，還是他無法履約而解約？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
林局長文祥 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-07-20T11:25:11.220000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-07-20T11:25:14.695000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
沒有按照合約取得輸出許可，一律解約，我們沒有去做其他另外的想法。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-07-20T11:25:14.820000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-07-20T11:25:16.695000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
所以你基本上有一個把關的態度嘛！對。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-07-20T11:25:25.210000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-07-20T11:25:43.524545+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
我是要跟部長說，我們知道我們的軍事採購很困難，在國際上算是「啞口壓死囝」，真的就算是買方的市場，也會變成賣方市場，這真的是中華民國的無奈。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.803 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-07-20T11:25:45.810000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-07-20T11:25:59.923333+08:00 |
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但我們支持你，你要給我們一個交代，有時候我們問你，但你動不動就用政治對抗，國民黨這些立委都要叛國、要擋預算，不是這樣啦，不要這樣，你用這種態度我是不能接受的。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.729 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-07-20T11:26:00.090000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-07-20T11:26:01.266471+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
我問你，國防部的預算，我有擋一毛錢嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-07-20T11:26:01.266471+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-07-20T11:26:02.266471+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
有凍結一毛錢嗎，有沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-07-20T11:26:02.266471+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-07-20T11:26:03.266471+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-07-20T11:26:01.384118+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-07-20T11:26:33.628182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
該給你就給你，你講得那麼危險，臺灣很危險，錢都給你了，結果你看一條一條都「罟起來滴湯」，這是你們業務單位……一而再、再而三，你們採購案辦成這樣，如果我當國防部長，我會記你警告、口頭警告。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.564 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-07-20T11:26:36.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-07-20T11:26:38.290000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
部長，你會這樣做嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-07-20T11:26:39.690000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-07-20T11:26:41.404286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
你會不會這樣做？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-07-20T11:26:42.280000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-07-20T11:26:59.533333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
採購案一件一件都開花，當初來立法院報告的時候都說很緊急，會來不及，但是一件一件通通開花，甚至法務單位都介入要調查。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-07-20T11:27:02.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-07-20T11:27:29.555000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
我很誠懇在這裡跟你說，提供一個意見，一些案件不要再挺了，叫他們走正道，找健全的公司，我說的就是針對後面這些無人機產業，臺灣有很多投入無人機產業研發5年、10年、15年以上的公司，我跟你說，如果要做無人機，我也可以做，你知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.747 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-07-20T11:27:29.555000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-07-20T11:27:42.450000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
但是君子要避嫌，因為我知道你們不會給我啊，我做過飛機，你知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.107 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-07-20T11:27:42.450000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-07-20T11:27:46.868182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
我也做過船，我還做過戰車，你知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-07-20T11:27:49.130000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-07-20T11:27:52.630000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
我40年前就在開玩具工廠了，你知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-07-20T11:27:54.416667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-07-20T11:28:12.244286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
如果以現在無人機的組裝，對我來說是毫無困難，但是你們掌握前端的授權，當你決定授權要給誰，變成他拿到了。 |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-07-20T11:28:12.530000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-07-20T11:28:36.653333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
我在這裡很正式跟部長說，不要再有這種給一個統包，最後分包到真正做的……沒有幫助到我們整個臺灣原本投入研發生產的這些無人機產業，什麼綠友友、賴友友，誰的友都不重要了，大家要用心為臺灣的國防來打拼啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.775 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-07-20T11:28:39.925294+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-07-20T11:28:41.572353+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
我知道臺灣投入無人機研發的很多耶！ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-07-20T11:28:45.860000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-07-20T11:29:23.263333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
標案給這些工廠，給這些研發者，我們都支持，不要再找一些新的像裝潢公司的、賣鞋子的，稅籍做線材的，這等於是拿我們的錢當資本、當老闆，然後最上游給他，他下面也是去找真正投入無人機產業研發的這些業者，這樣就枉費所有委員支持你們的預算了，不需要這樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.734 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-07-20T11:29:26.960000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-07-20T11:29:45.157778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
我是覺得對這些案件、韓國這個案件、福麥這個案件，以及……現在進來的硝基胍純度多少，你有驗了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.825 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
林局長文祥 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-07-20T11:29:46.350000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-07-20T11:29:50.850000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
我們的合約規範硝基胍就是99，還沒有到，還沒有交貨，交貨期要到11月。 |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-07-20T11:29:52.350000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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2026-07-20T11:29:56.064286+08:00 |
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現在他有跟你提，確定會準時交貨嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
林局長文祥 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-07-20T11:29:56.350000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-07-20T11:29:58.064286+08:00 |
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我們依合約辦理。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-07-20T11:30:00.082222+08:00 |
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2026-07-20T11:30:05.574286+08:00 |
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不要說依合約辦理，你評估現在他準時可以交貨的機率有百分之幾，有沒有六成以上？ |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.686 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-07-20T11:30:10.010000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-07-20T11:30:11.010000+08:00 |
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沒辦法？沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-07-20T11:30:11.320000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-07-20T11:30:15.195000+08:00 |
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沒關係，坦白說，因為差不多外面大家都知道了嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-07-20T11:30:16.653333+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-07-20T11:30:19.166154+08:00 |
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委員，我想合約的期限還沒有到之前…… |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-07-20T11:30:19.166154+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-07-20T11:30:21.820000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
你不方便說啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.167 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-07-20T11:30:21.820000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-07-20T11:30:21.820000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
沒關係…… |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-07-20T11:30:23.720000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-07-20T11:30:43.337778+08:00 |
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廠商也沒有提到有什麼延誤的情況，我們當然就是依合約來辦理，剛剛軍備局長也說明得很清楚，而我們其他相關武器獲得的規劃跟採購的計畫，我們都會依法來進行相關正常的採購作業程序。 |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-07-20T11:30:43.760000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-07-20T11:30:55.393333+08:00 |
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最有利標這個部分，我們也會請部外的委員來進行評選，我想這個都是依法在進行，沒有什麼問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.975 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-07-20T11:30:55.560000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-07-20T11:31:02.360000+08:00 |
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好啦，國軍很辛苦，但是立法院幫你把關以外，你們自己要先做第一審的把關，不需要挺這些「阿沙不魯」的人，「沒路用」啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.468 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-07-20T11:31:03.560000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-07-20T11:31:15.088182+08:00 |
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我也不知道有的還是我們本黨的地下情報人員，擔任本黨的地下情報人員到底要蒐集多少資料，你們才能對他這麼好？ |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0.755 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-07-20T11:31:19.430000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-07-20T11:31:23.180000+08:00 |
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看到這些報告，我說實在的很鬱悶啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-07-20T11:31:23.530000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-07-20T11:31:27.973333+08:00 |
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你有感覺到我一路支持你們的預算，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0.722 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-07-20T11:31:28.190000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-07-20T11:31:37.355455+08:00 |
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我沒有像人家說今天要怎樣，明天要怎樣，你們來說明我都很支持，結果你看這個案件！ |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0.743 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-07-20T11:31:37.537273+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-07-20T11:31:38.628182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
我為什麼要問你們？ |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-07-20T11:31:38.810000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-07-20T11:31:44.447778+08:00 |
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因為調查局有人跟我說，我問他們為什麼不辦案？ |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-07-20T11:31:45.970000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-07-20T11:31:56.737778+08:00 |
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甚至資安的茶葉行，他就自己說他是人頭，我問法務部你們為什麼不調問他？ |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0.968 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-07-20T11:31:56.960000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-07-20T11:31:58.293333+08:00 |
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他說：有啊。 |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-07-20T11:31:55.660000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-07-20T11:32:02.103333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
所以我今天才會來問你，看他們是不是有來跟你調資料？ |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0.391 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
趙主任亞平 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-07-20T11:32:05.280000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-07-20T11:32:06.780000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
報告委員，目前沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-07-20T11:32:09.679091+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-07-20T11:32:11.770000+08:00 |
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他們沒有來跟你調茶葉店嗎？沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0.429 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
趙主任亞平 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-07-20T11:32:13.133636+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-07-20T11:32:23.017778+08:00 |
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因為他是資安的服務，那個案子是一個資安服務，目前正在履約當中，從今年的1月1號到明年的12月31日，目前履約進度是正常。 |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0.98 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-07-20T11:32:24.970000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-07-20T11:32:28.636667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
好，那我再來問調查局。謝謝。 |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-07-20T11:32:29.136667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
1 |
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2026-07-20T11:32:32.850952+08:00 |
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接下來請郭昱晴委員上臺質詢。 |
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0 |
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謝委員龍介：（11時18分）我請部長。 |
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主席：請顧部長。 |
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謝委員龍介：部長，剛剛許忠信委員用心良苦。其實你們國防部沒有所謂的買方市場，因為長期以來你們把我們的任何軍事採購都變成賣方市場，我們再有優勢也沒有用，這很可惜。他剛才說的那個L/C概念很好，當然存入之後，國防部是受益人，後面履約的時候，國防部就不用去當壞人嘛！ |
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沒關係。部長，我請教你，你今天的報告是針對違約的精進作為，現在RDX這個案件的進度如何？我上次問你的時候，我說本來要請召委帶我們去印度場勘，對不對？結果現在這個案件怎麼樣？決標之後，進行得怎麼樣？ |
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林局長文祥：跟委員報告，關於這個案子，現在福麥公司沒有按照契約於180日曆天取得輸出許可，在7月6日…… |
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謝委員龍介：等一下，你們那個時候說有喔！ |
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林局長文祥：沒有、沒有、沒有，合約都是要180天之後取得，才會往下走。 |
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謝委員龍介：你那個時候跟我說他可以取得，我才會說我們去印度場勘。這樣等於6個月前你就已經知道他沒辦法，難怪！他是做裝潢的，在我們臺南，我是去跟多少人探聽才探聽到的。現在確定他不行？ |
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林局長文祥：他在7月6日就超過36天，所以解約，罰四千多萬。 |
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謝委員龍介：解約了嗎？ |
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林局長文祥：目前正在送案。 |
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謝委員龍介：要罰他四千多萬，他沒錢，但是他的押標金有多少？ |
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林局長文祥：他的押標金…… |
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謝委員龍介：2,500萬的樣子。 |
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林局長文祥：差不多，因為我這裡的資料沒寫，差不多兩千多萬…… |
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謝委員龍介：兩千多萬的押標金。 |
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林局長文祥：同時刊登為不良廠商，還給他停權。 |
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謝委員龍介：停權，他的資本額就一點點，是1人公司，他準備40、50間要給你用，所以你可以再出40、50個標案，他都能吃得下。 |
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這實在是真的有夠離譜，你知道嗎？你當時跟我們講很緊張，如果不趕快採購，對我們的建軍備戰會很有影響，讓我們的戰力會嚴重下降。那個時候講到我對你們的預算都支持，你看我這樣真心換絕情，對你們這麼相挺，你們居然給我「放管」，今天國民黨這些國防委員會的委員都笑我說：你都說不要刪他們的預算，結果你看他們今天這樣，之前跟你講山盟海誓，現在跟你講昨晚不好意思，那張合約不好意思，沒辦法。部長，這樣要怎麼辦？ |
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顧部長立雄：委員關切的這個案子，來源輸出國一旦曝光的話，政治上的壓力會形成，但是無論如何，沒有按照契約來提供輸出許可證明的話…… |
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謝委員龍介：部長，當時該保密的，我們都讓你保密，是你們國防部選擇可以公開的部分才公開喔！ |
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顧部長立雄：是，我們就是依約來累計相關沒收履約保證金及罰款的作法…… |
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謝委員龍介：罰款已經通知對方了嗎？ |
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林局長文祥：按照部權，我們會報到國防採購室，國防採購室就會依合約通知…… |
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謝委員龍介：所以還沒通知嘛！ |
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林局長文祥：沒有，很快就會通知他。 |
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謝委員龍介：他脫產了，他個人現在也沒資產了，父子都沒有了，都處理好了。我給你建議，你要去看看當時那個押標金是誰轉給他的。 |
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我再請教你一個問題，法務部有沒有單位向你們調這個案子還有硝基胍那個案子的資料？ |
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林局長文祥：法務部來查明了，監察院也都來看了，基本上，我們回復整個採購流程是沒有什麼其他的…… |
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謝委員龍介：流程不會有問題啦！ |
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林局長文祥：都來調過了，臺南地檢署也來調過了，我們都依規定回復他們。 |
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謝委員龍介：我跟大家報告，為什麼他不拿出來源證明？因為人家在查了，這筆錢、這塊肉，他吃不下了、吞不下了，趕快「放管」。 |
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各位鄉親，你看我們的建軍案這麼嚴肅，我這樣一路支持他們的預算，現在在查了，我知道在查，地方也有人說有被調問，查了要怎麼樣？因為這個案子如果成案，繼續走下去成交了，後面再來抓，會比較大尾，大尾的就抓到了，所以這叫做斷尾求生，現在趕快斬一斬，趁事情還沒敗露，趕快斬一斬、放棄。這樣吃虧的會變成採購單位，你現在變成「目睭金金人傷重」！你算挺他，這後面是什麼人我不知道，你算挺他，拜託他可以顧其他的國防軍購預算，幫忙一下，而我們不用你挺，就幫你忙，你有沒有要報兩件讓我們「鼻芳」？我覺得這實在是很沒意思。 |
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臺南地檢署總共跟你調幾個案件的資料，你知道嗎？調幾個案件的資料？這不是機密嘛！這可以說明嘛！ |
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林局長文祥：他只有來調一個RDX而已，其他都沒有。 |
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謝委員龍介：韓國的火藥也沒有嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[31][0] |
林局長文祥：韓國的韓華也是因為曝光解約。 |
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謝委員龍介：是因為曝光解約，還是他無法履約而解約？ |
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林局長文祥：沒有按照合約取得輸出許可，一律解約，我們沒有去做其他另外的想法。 |
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謝委員龍介：所以你基本上有一個把關的態度嘛！ |
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林局長文祥：對。 |
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謝委員龍介：我是要跟部長說，我們知道我們的軍事採購很困難，在國際上算是「啞口壓死囝」，真的就算是買方的市場，也會變成賣方市場，這真的是中華民國的無奈。但我們支持你，你要給我們一個交代，有時候我們問你，但你動不動就用政治對抗，國民黨這些立委都要叛國、要擋預算，不是這樣啦，不要這樣，你用這種態度我是不能接受的。我問你，國防部的預算，我有擋一毛錢嗎？有凍結一毛錢嗎，有沒有？對不對？該給你就給你，你講得那麼危險，臺灣很危險，錢都給你了，結果你看一條一條都「罟起來滴湯」，這是你們業務單位……一而再、再而三，你們採購案辦成這樣，如果我當國防部長，我會記你警告、口頭警告。部長，你會這樣做嗎？你會不會這樣做？採購案一件一件都開花，當初來立法院報告的時候都說很緊急，會來不及，但是一件一件通通開花，甚至法務單位都介入要調查。 |
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我很誠懇在這裡跟你說，提供一個意見，一些案件不要再挺了，叫他們走正道，找健全的公司，我說的就是針對後面這些無人機產業，臺灣有很多投入無人機產業研發5年、10年、15年以上的公司，我跟你說，如果要做無人機，我也可以做，你知道嗎？但是君子要避嫌，因為我知道你們不會給我啊，我做過飛機，你知道嗎？我也做過船，我還做過戰車，你知道嗎？我40年前就在開玩具工廠了，你知道嗎？如果以現在無人機的組裝，對我來說是毫無困難，但是你們掌握前端的授權，當你決定授權要給誰，變成他拿到了。 |
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我在這裡很正式跟部長說，不要再有這種給一個統包，最後分包到真正做的……沒有幫助到我們整個臺灣原本投入研發生產的這些無人機產業，什麼綠友友、賴友友，誰的友都不重要了，大家要用心為臺灣的國防來打拼啦！我知道臺灣投入無人機研發的很多耶！標案給這些工廠，給這些研發者，我們都支持，不要再找一些新的像裝潢公司的、賣鞋子的，稅籍做線材的，這等於是拿我們的錢當資本、當老闆，然後最上游給他，他下面也是去找真正投入無人機產業研發的這些業者，這樣就枉費所有委員支持你們的預算了，不需要這樣。我是覺得對這些案件、韓國這個案件、福麥這個案件，以及……現在進來的硝基胍純度多少，你有驗了嗎？ |
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林局長文祥：我們的合約規範硝基胍就是99，還沒有到，還沒有交貨，交貨期要到11月。 |
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謝委員龍介：現在他有跟你提，確定會準時交貨嗎？ |
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林局長文祥：我們依合約辦理。 |
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謝委員龍介：不要說依合約辦理，你評估現在他準時可以交貨的機率有百分之幾，有沒有六成以上？沒辦法？沒有？沒關係，坦白說，因為差不多外面大家都知道了嘛！ |
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顧部長立雄：委員，我想合約的期限還沒有到之前…… |
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謝委員龍介：你不方便說啦！沒關係…… |
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顧部長立雄：廠商也沒有提到有什麼延誤的情況，我們當然就是依合約來辦理，剛剛軍備局長也說明得很清楚，而我們其他相關武器獲得的規劃跟採購的計畫，我們都會依法來進行相關正常的採購作業程序。最有利標這個部分，我們也會請部外的委員來進行評選，我想這個都是依法在進行，沒有什麼問題。 |
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謝委員龍介：好啦，國軍很辛苦，但是立法院幫你把關以外，你們自己要先做第一審的把關，不需要挺這些「阿沙不魯」的人，「沒路用」啦！我也不知道有的還是我們本黨的地下情報人員，擔任本黨的地下情報人員到底要蒐集多少資料，你們才能對他這麼好？看到這些報告，我說實在的很鬱悶啦！你有感覺到我一路支持你們的預算，對不對？我沒有像人家說今天要怎樣，明天要怎樣，你們來說明我都很支持，結果你看這個案件！我為什麼要問你們？因為調查局有人跟我說，我問他們為什麼不辦案？甚至資安的茶葉行，他就自己說他是人頭，我問法務部你們為什麼不調問他？他說：有啊。所以我今天才會來問你，看他們是不是有來跟你調資料？ |
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趙主任亞平：報告委員，目前沒有。 |
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謝委員龍介：他們沒有來跟你調茶葉店嗎？ |
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趙主任亞平：沒有。因為他是資安的服務，那個案子是一個資安服務，目前正在履約當中，從今年的1月1號到明年的12月31日，目前履約進度是正常。 |
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謝委員龍介：好，那我再來問調查局。 |
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主席：謝謝。 |
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接下來請郭昱晴委員上臺質詢。 |
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386 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-5-35-27 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
馬文君 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
羅美玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
陳俊宇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
陳永康 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
牛煦庭 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
王義川 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
林楚茵 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
沈伯洋 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
馬文君 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
王安祥 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
黃建賓 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
許忠信 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
謝龍介 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
郭昱晴 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
洪孟楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
洪毓祥 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
賴士葆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
徐巧芯 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
王鴻薇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[19] |
葉元之 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[20] |
陳冠廷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[21] |
黃仁 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[22] |
王定宇 |
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325 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2026-07-20 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1156401 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1156401_00006 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第27次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告「國軍軍品採購履約爭議與違約致獲裝期程延宕採購策略精進作
為」，並備質詢 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1156401_00005 |