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謝龍介 @ 第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第27次全體委員會議
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|---|---|---|
| 00:00:00,960 | 00:00:01,760 | 我要搶保釣 |
| 00:00:03,340 | 00:00:03,980 | 請顧伯掌 |
| 00:00:04,910 | 00:00:05,410 | 請顧掌 |
| 00:00:06,060 | 00:00:06,560 | 剛剛 |
| 00:00:06,560 | 00:00:08,059 | 市中心委員 |
| 00:00:10,120 | 00:00:11,120 | 用心良苦 |
| 00:00:12,550 | 00:00:13,750 | 你們國安部 |
| 00:00:15,080 | 00:00:16,680 | 沒有所謂的買方市場 |
| 00:00:16,680 | 00:00:17,880 | 因為長期以來 |
| 00:00:17,880 | 00:00:19,580 | 軍事採購你們都把成 |
| 00:00:19,580 | 00:00:22,080 | 把我們任何採購都變成賣方市場 |
| 00:00:23,390 | 00:00:25,390 | 我們再有優勢也沒有用 |
| 00:00:26,610 | 00:00:27,610 | 這真可惜 |
| 00:00:28,450 | 00:00:30,450 | 他剛才說的LOC的概念很好 |
| 00:00:31,600 | 00:00:32,100 | 啊 |
| 00:00:32,520 | 00:00:33,160 | 當然 |
| 00:00:33,160 | 00:00:34,120 | 出了後 |
| 00:00:34,120 | 00:00:35,720 | 國安部是收割人 |
| 00:00:35,720 | 00:00:36,820 | 啊拼離約 |
| 00:00:36,820 | 00:00:38,820 | 國安部就不用去當壞人 |
| 00:00:40,080 | 00:00:41,699 | 又А |
| 00:00:42,000 | 00:00:45,800 | 我請教你,在這個委員會的過程中,你今天要報告 |
| 00:00:47,650 | 00:00:49,650 | 那針對這個 |
| 00:00:50,960 | 00:00:52,960 | RTX這個案件 |
| 00:00:53,740 | 00:00:55,740 | 我上次問你的時候 |
| 00:00:55,740 | 00:00:57,740 | 我說本來要請 |
| 00:00:57,740 | 00:00:59,740 | 周圍,帶我們來印度 |
| 00:00:59,740 | 00:01:01,740 | 對不對,場刊啊 |
| 00:01:02,760 | 00:01:04,759 | 好 |
| 00:01:04,459 | 00:01:06,460 | 啊結果這件,現在怎樣 |
| 00:01:06,740 | 00:01:08,740 | 刈標後進行怎樣 |
| 00:01:09,520 | 00:01:12,520 | 跟委員報告,現在這個案子,福邁公司 |
| 00:01:12,520 | 00:01:14,520 | 他規定沒有按照契約 |
| 00:01:14,520 | 00:01:17,520 | 180日日曆天取得輸出許可 |
| 00:01:18,770 | 00:01:20,770 | 再期待 |
| 00:01:20,770 | 00:01:22,770 | 你那時候說我 |
| 00:01:22,770 | 00:01:24,770 | 沒有沒有,合約 |
| 00:01:24,770 | 00:01:26,770 | 合約都是要180天之後取得 |
| 00:01:26,770 | 00:01:28,770 | 才會往下走 |
| 00:01:28,770 | 00:01:30,770 | 你那時候說他可以取得 |
| 00:01:30,770 | 00:01:32,770 | 所以我不敢說,我們來印度看 |
| 00:01:32,770 | 00:01:34,770 | 場刊 |
| 00:01:36,020 | 00:01:38,020 | 啊 |
| 00:01:38,110 | 00:01:40,110 | 這樣就上去六個月前,這就是那一件 |
| 00:01:41,110 | 00:01:43,110 | 這件沒辦法嘛 |
| 00:01:42,780 | 00:01:44,780 | 這不怪嘛,這做總統的 |
| 00:01:46,610 | 00:01:48,610 | 這中宏耶 |
| 00:01:48,660 | 00:01:50,660 | 台灣大陸,我去探聽多少人,還探聽到 |
| 00:01:53,010 | 00:01:55,010 | 現在確定不行喔 |
| 00:01:55,030 | 00:01:59,030 | 他在七月初,他就超過36天,解獄 |
| 00:01:59,030 | 00:02:01,030 | 發四千幾萬 |
| 00:02:01,030 | 00:02:03,030 | 啊解獄後 |
| 00:02:03,030 | 00:02:05,030 | 目前就在當地上岸 |
| 00:02:05,030 | 00:02:07,030 | 要發四千幾萬,他沒錢 |
| 00:02:07,030 | 00:02:09,030 | 但是他押標金多少 |
| 00:02:09,449 | 00:02:11,450 | 押標金 |
| 00:02:12,890 | 00:02:14,890 | 兩千五萬的款 |
| 00:02:14,890 | 00:02:16,890 | 差不多,因為我這裡住了,我沒寫 |
| 00:02:16,890 | 00:02:18,890 | 剛才兩千多,這樣放著 |
| 00:02:18,890 | 00:02:20,890 | 兩千多萬的押標金 |
| 00:02:20,890 | 00:02:22,890 | 不良廠商,給他停權 |
| 00:02:23,110 | 00:02:25,110 | 停權喔 |
| 00:02:25,110 | 00:02:27,110 | 他們就自分一組組 |
| 00:02:27,110 | 00:02:29,110 | 一人公司,準備四五十金 |
| 00:02:29,110 | 00:02:31,110 | 要給你用 |
| 00:02:31,500 | 00:02:33,500 | 所以你可以再出四五十個標案 |
| 00:02:33,500 | 00:02:35,500 | 他都能吃得下耶 |
| 00:02:38,990 | 00:02:40,990 | 這實在是真的有夠離譜 |
| 00:02:40,990 | 00:02:42,990 | 你敢知道 |
| 00:02:42,990 | 00:02:44,990 | 你當時跟我們講,很緊張耶 |
| 00:02:44,990 | 00:02:46,990 | 如果不趕快採購啊 |
| 00:02:46,990 | 00:02:48,990 | 這對我們這個 |
| 00:02:48,990 | 00:02:50,990 | 建軍啊,備案啊 |
| 00:02:52,260 | 00:02:54,260 | 會很影響耶 |
| 00:02:54,260 | 00:02:56,260 | 對我們的戰力 |
| 00:02:56,260 | 00:02:58,260 | 嚴重下降 |
| 00:02:58,260 | 00:03:00,260 | 譬如說,我都 |
| 00:03:00,260 | 00:03:02,260 | 對你們的武神都支持 |
| 00:03:01,740 | 00:03:03,740 | 你看我這樣,真心換很多 |
| 00:03:05,270 | 00:03:07,270 | 我對你們這麼要小心 |
| 00:03:07,230 | 00:03:09,230 | 你怎麼給我放工 |
| 00:03:09,520 | 00:03:13,520 | 我今天叫國民黨這裡的國防委員會委員都給我請 |
| 00:03:13,980 | 00:03:15,980 | 你都說不能看 |
| 00:03:16,050 | 00:03:18,050 | 武神不要抬 |
| 00:03:18,350 | 00:03:20,350 | 他還在那邊看,他怎麼這樣 |
| 00:03:20,960 | 00:03:22,960 | 跟你說三名,現在跟你說三名 |
| 00:03:22,960 | 00:03:24,960 | 不好意思,一定要學會,不好意思 |
| 00:03:24,960 | 00:03:26,960 | 沒辦法 |
| 00:03:28,070 | 00:03:30,070 | 我電話內面啊 |
| 00:03:30,460 | 00:03:32,460 | 沒辦法 |
| 00:03:31,930 | 00:03:33,930 | 我想 |
| 00:03:33,750 | 00:03:35,750 | 委員關切這個案子 |
| 00:03:35,750 | 00:03:37,750 | 那來源輸出國 |
| 00:03:37,750 | 00:03:39,750 | 一旦曝光的話 |
| 00:03:39,750 | 00:03:41,750 | 就我看法政治上的壓力 |
| 00:03:41,750 | 00:03:43,750 | 是會形成啦 |
| 00:03:43,750 | 00:03:45,750 | 但是無論如何 |
| 00:03:46,540 | 00:03:48,540 | 這個沒有按照企業來提供 |
| 00:03:48,540 | 00:03:50,540 | 部長,當時該保密的 |
| 00:03:50,540 | 00:03:52,540 | 我們都讓你保密喔 |
| 00:03:52,540 | 00:03:54,540 | 是可以公開的,是你們國防部選擇 |
| 00:03:54,540 | 00:03:56,540 | 可以公開的部分才公開喔 |
| 00:03:56,540 | 00:03:58,540 | 是,那我想我們就是 |
| 00:03:58,540 | 00:04:00,540 | 預約來累計這個 |
| 00:04:00,540 | 00:04:02,540 | 相關的這個沒收理約保證金 |
| 00:04:02,540 | 00:04:04,540 | 跟罰款的一個 |
| 00:04:04,540 | 00:04:06,540 | 一個作用 |
| 00:04:06,540 | 00:04:08,540 | 罰款敢不敢對方通知啊 |
| 00:04:09,020 | 00:04:11,020 | 是 |
| 00:04:10,290 | 00:04:12,290 | 這個是按照目前 |
| 00:04:12,290 | 00:04:14,290 | 我們會報到我們國防採購市 |
| 00:04:14,290 | 00:04:16,289 | 國防採購市就會一合一 |
| 00:04:16,289 | 00:04:18,289 | 馬上就很快 |
| 00:04:18,289 | 00:04:20,289 | 會脫散啊 |
| 00:04:20,070 | 00:04:22,070 | 他個人現在也沒出什麼來 |
| 00:04:24,920 | 00:04:26,920 | 用合成啊 |
| 00:04:26,920 | 00:04:28,920 | 好啦,你建議啊 |
| 00:04:28,920 | 00:04:30,920 | 你要去看看當時那個 |
| 00:04:30,920 | 00:04:32,920 | 壓標金是誰專給他的啊 |
| 00:04:34,650 | 00:04:36,650 | 好,我再請教你一個問題喔 |
| 00:04:36,880 | 00:04:38,880 | 法務部有沒有單位向你們調這個案子 |
| 00:04:38,880 | 00:04:40,880 | 還有那個 |
| 00:04:41,710 | 00:04:43,710 | 呃,消極瓜那個案子的資料 |
| 00:04:45,780 | 00:04:47,780 | 法務部來查明了 |
| 00:04:47,780 | 00:04:49,780 | 監察院也都來看了 |
| 00:04:49,780 | 00:04:51,780 | 我們基本上整個我們的採購的 |
| 00:04:51,780 | 00:04:53,780 | 流程基本上回覆是 |
| 00:04:53,780 | 00:04:55,780 | 沒有什麼其他的 |
| 00:04:55,780 | 00:04:57,780 | 流程不會有問題啦 |
| 00:04:57,780 | 00:04:59,780 | 台南台南地檢署也來調過了 |
| 00:04:59,780 | 00:05:01,780 | 我們依合約,依規定都等 |
| 00:05:01,780 | 00:05:03,780 | 為什麼要調 |
| 00:05:03,780 | 00:05:05,780 | 我現在就是 |
| 00:05:05,820 | 00:05:07,820 | 我要打個bug |
| 00:05:09,030 | 00:05:11,030 | 為什麼不拿出 |
| 00:05:10,970 | 00:05:12,970 | 他的來源證明 |
| 00:05:14,410 | 00:05:16,410 | 因為人在查 |
| 00:05:17,420 | 00:05:19,420 | 這條錢,這塊肉吃不下去啊 |
| 00:05:22,280 | 00:05:24,280 | 快點辦公 |
| 00:05:26,340 | 00:05:28,340 | 各位鄉親們 |
| 00:05:27,960 | 00:05:29,960 | 你看我們的 |
| 00:05:29,960 | 00:05:31,960 | 見證案這麼嚴肅 |
| 00:05:31,960 | 00:05:33,960 | 我這樣一路給他們雞吃無雙 |
| 00:05:34,540 | 00:05:36,540 | 這媽的草 |
| 00:05:37,650 | 00:05:39,650 | 我這樣查,台南也有調問 |
| 00:05:42,020 | 00:05:44,020 | 查明了,因為這個案子 |
| 00:05:44,020 | 00:05:46,020 | 這個案子繼續走下去 |
| 00:05:46,020 | 00:05:48,020 | 成交了 |
| 00:05:48,530 | 00:05:50,530 | 阿伯來臨了,比較大隻 |
| 00:05:51,120 | 00:05:53,120 | 大伯就抓到了 |
| 00:05:54,070 | 00:05:56,070 | 所以這個斷尾求生 |
| 00:05:56,940 | 00:05:58,940 | 現在緊張了,等現在的事 |
| 00:05:58,940 | 00:06:00,940 | 阿伯,別扛 |
| 00:06:00,940 | 00:06:02,940 | 見證證就當Honky |
| 00:06:03,790 | 00:06:05,790 | 這樣吃虧,變成我們柴港單位 |
| 00:06:10,420 | 00:06:12,420 | 阿伯,別生氣,我不生氣 |
| 00:06:12,780 | 00:06:14,780 | 你算他天啊 |
| 00:06:14,810 | 00:06:18,810 | 拜託他可以顧其他的財國國王軍購預算啊 |
| 00:06:18,810 | 00:06:20,810 | 幫忙一下 |
| 00:06:21,420 | 00:06:23,420 | 阿伯,我如果不讓你簽就幫你啊 |
| 00:06:24,920 | 00:06:26,920 | 好 |
| 00:06:26,740 | 00:06:28,740 | 阿伯,你要擲兩招讓我們屁股痛 |
| 00:06:34,150 | 00:06:36,150 | 我覺得這實在是十點不夠意思 |
| 00:06:37,470 | 00:06:41,470 | 他把你台南這裡的案件,台南地檢署都把你調整了,你知不知道 |
| 00:06:43,140 | 00:06:45,140 | 調幾個案件的資料 |
| 00:06:47,140 | 00:06:51,140 | 這不是機密,他只有調一個RDS而已,其他都沒有 |
| 00:06:52,590 | 00:06:54,590 | 阿,韓國那個黑火藥 |
| 00:06:54,590 | 00:06:56,590 | 阿伯 |
| 00:06:57,470 | 00:06:59,470 | 韓國的韓華,也是因為曝光解約 |
| 00:07:01,820 | 00:07:03,820 | 是因為曝光解約,還是他無法理約而解約 |
| 00:07:03,820 | 00:07:05,820 | 這個我們沒有按照合約取得輸出許可,一律解約 |
| 00:07:05,820 | 00:07:07,820 | 我們沒有去做其他的一些另外的想法 |
| 00:07:07,820 | 00:07:09,820 | 所以你還基本上有一個把關的態度嘛 |
| 00:07:18,210 | 00:07:23,210 | 我是要跟部長說,軍事採購啊,我們知道我們是很困難啊 |
| 00:07:23,940 | 00:07:25,940 | 在國際上咧 |
| 00:07:27,610 | 00:07:29,610 | 算是要被打死了,真的就是 |
| 00:07:30,980 | 00:07:32,980 | 就算是買方的市場也會變成賣方市場 |
| 00:07:35,070 | 00:07:37,070 | 這是真的中華民國的問題 |
| 00:07:38,810 | 00:07:40,810 | 但我們支持你 |
| 00:07:41,090 | 00:07:43,090 | 你還給我們一個交代,有的人是要我們問 |
| 00:07:43,090 | 00:07:45,090 | 阿,買一張買就用那個政治對抗 |
| 00:07:45,090 | 00:07:47,090 | 國民黨在這兒,都在判國 |
| 00:07:47,090 | 00:07:49,090 | 要當武神,不是這樣啦 |
| 00:07:49,090 | 00:07:51,090 | 不要這樣用 |
| 00:07:51,090 | 00:07:53,090 | 你用這個態度,我是不能接受 |
| 00:07:53,090 | 00:07:55,090 | 我問你,你國防部的武神,我給你當一個人 |
| 00:07:57,960 | 00:07:59,960 | 我給你當一個,過一個月嘛 |
| 00:08:05,630 | 00:08:07,630 | 我給你當一個,過一個月嘛 |
| 00:08:07,630 | 00:08:09,630 | 你說到那邊危險 |
| 00:08:09,630 | 00:08:11,630 | 台灣很危險 |
| 00:08:10,250 | 00:08:12,250 | 錢都給你了 |
| 00:08:12,250 | 00:08:14,250 | 結果你看,一條一條都給你了 |
| 00:08:14,250 | 00:08:16,250 | 在那裡抵擋 |
| 00:08:17,460 | 00:08:19,460 | 所以你給我當一個 |
| 00:08:19,450 | 00:08:21,450 | 一年一年在這兒,這次蔡鋼岸 |
| 00:08:21,450 | 00:08:23,450 | 我扮成國防部長 |
| 00:08:24,810 | 00:08:26,810 | 我會把你記警告,口頭警告 |
| 00:08:29,540 | 00:08:31,540 | 部長你幹嘛這樣做 |
| 00:08:32,690 | 00:08:34,690 | 你會不會這樣做 |
| 00:08:34,679 | 00:08:36,679 | 蔡鋼岸一條一條都開火 |
| 00:08:37,820 | 00:08:39,820 | 這樣,東京時代,立法院報告的時候 |
| 00:08:39,820 | 00:08:41,820 | 都說很緊急耶 |
| 00:08:42,600 | 00:08:44,600 | 那不,不酷啦 |
| 00:08:45,060 | 00:08:47,060 | 啊 |
| 00:08:47,090 | 00:08:49,090 | 一條一條通通開花啦 |
| 00:08:50,700 | 00:08:52,700 | 甚至法務單位都介入要調查 |
| 00:08:55,800 | 00:08:57,800 | 我很辛苦在這裡跟你說 |
| 00:08:57,800 | 00:08:59,800 | 提供一個意見 |
| 00:09:00,320 | 00:09:02,320 | 這種案件 |
| 00:09:02,170 | 00:09:04,170 | 不要再聽了啦 |
| 00:09:06,710 | 00:09:08,710 | 蔡健全的公司 |
| 00:09:08,920 | 00:09:10,920 | 我告訴你就是針對後面這些無人機產業 |
| 00:09:13,750 | 00:09:15,750 | 台灣有很多投入無人機產業研發 |
| 00:09:17,550 | 00:09:19,550 | 五年三年十五年以上的公司 |
| 00:09:21,180 | 00:09:23,180 | 我告訴你,如果要做無人機,我怎麼會當 |
| 00:09:24,180 | 00:09:26,180 | 你敢當 |
| 00:09:27,220 | 00:09:29,220 | 來,滾住,砍人嗎 |
| 00:09:29,110 | 00:09:31,110 | 如果我當了怎麼辦 |
| 00:09:35,450 | 00:09:37,450 | 我也當過了 |
| 00:09:38,050 | 00:09:40,050 | 我還當過了戰車,你知道嗎 |
| 00:09:42,130 | 00:09:44,130 | 我40年前就在開玩具工廠 |
| 00:09:44,130 | 00:09:46,130 | 你知道嗎 |
| 00:09:47,250 | 00:09:49,250 | 那如果以現在無人機的組裝 |
| 00:09:50,740 | 00:09:52,740 | 對我來說毫無困難 |
| 00:09:52,900 | 00:09:54,900 | 但是你們掌握前端的 |
| 00:09:57,410 | 00:09:59,410 | 記得授權 |
| 00:09:59,410 | 00:10:01,410 | 當你真的授權要給誰 |
| 00:10:03,530 | 00:10:05,530 | 就變成他拿到了 |
| 00:10:05,530 | 00:10:07,530 | 我在這裡很正式的跟他講 |
| 00:10:08,260 | 00:10:10,260 | 不要再有這種 |
| 00:10:11,020 | 00:10:13,020 | 給一個同胞 |
| 00:10:12,800 | 00:10:14,800 | 然後最後分包到最後 |
| 00:10:14,800 | 00:10:16,800 | 真正做了沒有幫助到 |
| 00:10:16,800 | 00:10:18,800 | 我們整個台灣這些原本 |
| 00:10:18,800 | 00:10:20,800 | 投入研發生產的 |
| 00:10:20,800 | 00:10:22,800 | 這些無人機產業 |
| 00:10:23,340 | 00:10:25,340 | 在什麼綠油有誰的油 |
| 00:10:25,340 | 00:10:27,340 | 賴油油都不重要 |
| 00:10:27,920 | 00:10:29,920 | 為台灣的國防,大家好好用心來打拚 |
| 00:10:32,690 | 00:10:34,690 | 台灣我知道的有投入無人機研發的很多 |
| 00:10:38,110 | 00:10:40,110 | 不要亂給這些工廠 |
| 00:10:40,690 | 00:10:42,690 | 給這些研發者 |
| 00:10:42,930 | 00:10:44,930 | 我們都支持 |
| 00:10:44,930 | 00:10:46,930 | 也要找一些新的 |
| 00:10:46,930 | 00:10:48,930 | 像這個公司中鴻的 |
| 00:10:48,930 | 00:10:50,930 | 賣鴨的 |
| 00:10:50,930 | 00:10:52,930 | 做這個水質做塞宅的 |
| 00:10:54,220 | 00:10:56,220 | 一定要拿我們的錢去當資本當老婆 |
| 00:10:59,370 | 00:11:01,370 | 然後你最上游給他 |
| 00:11:01,330 | 00:11:03,330 | 他裡面也是找到這些 |
| 00:11:03,330 | 00:11:07,330 | 真正投入無人機產業研發者的業者 |
| 00:11:08,400 | 00:11:10,400 | 這樣就不理人家 |
| 00:11:10,400 | 00:11:12,400 | 在這裡所有委員給你們繼續扶手 |
| 00:11:14,930 | 00:11:16,930 | 不需要這樣了 |
| 00:11:17,340 | 00:11:19,340 | 好 |
| 00:11:19,960 | 00:11:21,960 | 我是覺得對這裡的案件 |
| 00:11:23,100 | 00:11:25,100 | 韓國 |
| 00:11:24,620 | 00:11:26,620 | 這個案件 |
| 00:11:26,860 | 00:11:28,860 | 跟胡邁這個案件 |
| 00:11:29,760 | 00:11:31,760 | 以及 |
| 00:11:33,660 | 00:11:35,660 | 你現在削雞瓜進來 |
| 00:11:36,380 | 00:11:38,380 | 純度多少你有驗了嗎 |
| 00:11:39,350 | 00:11:41,350 | 我們的合約規範就是99 |
| 00:11:41,350 | 00:11:43,350 | 還沒有到,還沒有交貨 |
| 00:11:43,350 | 00:11:45,350 | 要到11月才會交貨期 |
| 00:11:45,350 | 00:11:49,350 | 現在他有跟你確定會準時交貨嗎 |
| 00:11:49,350 | 00:11:51,350 | 我們依合約辦理 |
| 00:11:52,860 | 00:11:54,860 | 那你評估現在他準時 |
| 00:11:54,860 | 00:11:56,860 | 可以交貨的機率有幾% |
| 00:11:56,860 | 00:11:58,860 | 有沒有六成以上 |
| 00:12:01,440 | 00:12:03,440 | 我懂 |
| 00:12:03,010 | 00:12:05,010 | 沒有 |
| 00:12:04,320 | 00:12:06,320 | 沒關係,談不談 |
| 00:12:06,320 | 00:12:08,320 | 因為這已經差不多外國大家都知道了 |
| 00:12:08,320 | 00:12:10,320 | 不是,那個委員 |
| 00:12:10,320 | 00:12:12,320 | 我想合約的期限還沒有到之前 |
| 00:12:12,320 | 00:12:14,320 | 那合約 |
| 00:12:14,320 | 00:12:16,320 | 你沒法說 |
| 00:12:16,320 | 00:12:18,320 | 那個,廠商也沒有提到說 |
| 00:12:18,320 | 00:12:20,320 | 有什麼延誤的情況 |
| 00:12:20,320 | 00:12:22,320 | 那我們當然就是依合約來辦理 |
| 00:12:22,320 | 00:12:24,320 | 剛剛君佩局長也說明得很清楚 |
| 00:12:24,320 | 00:12:26,320 | 那我們其他的這些相關的 |
| 00:12:26,560 | 00:12:28,560 | 有去獲得的這個 |
| 00:12:28,560 | 00:12:30,560 | 規劃跟採購的計畫 |
| 00:12:30,560 | 00:12:32,560 | 我們都是會依法來 |
| 00:12:32,560 | 00:12:34,560 | 進行這個相關的 |
| 00:12:34,560 | 00:12:36,560 | 正常的採購作業程序 |
| 00:12:36,560 | 00:12:38,560 | 那最有利標的這個部分 |
| 00:12:38,560 | 00:12:40,560 | 我們都也會請部外的委員來進行評選 |
| 00:12:40,560 | 00:12:42,560 | 我想 |
| 00:12:42,560 | 00:12:44,560 | 這個都是 |
| 00:12:44,560 | 00:12:46,560 | 我根本辛苦 |
| 00:12:46,560 | 00:12:48,560 | 在依法再進行沒有什麼問題 |
| 00:12:48,560 | 00:12:50,560 | 但是立法院把你罷官以後 |
| 00:12:50,560 | 00:12:52,560 | 你們自己要先做第一審的罷官 |
| 00:12:52,560 | 00:12:54,560 | 不需要 |
| 00:12:54,560 | 00:12:56,560 | 我們不需要 |
| 00:12:56,560 | 00:12:58,560 | 我也不知道說 |
| 00:12:58,560 | 00:13:00,560 | 有的就是我們本地的地下全部人員 |
| 00:13:02,270 | 00:13:04,270 | 每年本地的地下全部人員 |
| 00:13:04,270 | 00:13:06,270 | 到底收集多少資料 |
| 00:13:06,270 | 00:13:08,270 | 你們才可以對他們這麼好 |
| 00:13:12,430 | 00:13:14,430 | 看了這個報告 |
| 00:13:14,430 | 00:13:16,430 | 我實在說我真鬱悶 |
| 00:13:16,530 | 00:13:18,530 | 你會覺得我一路給你們支持你們的威聲 |
| 00:13:19,640 | 00:13:21,640 | 對不對 |
| 00:13:21,190 | 00:13:23,190 | 我沒像人家說今天要怎樣問你 |
| 00:13:23,190 | 00:13:25,190 | 你來說明我都支持你 |
| 00:13:26,880 | 00:13:28,880 | 結果你給我 |
| 00:13:29,810 | 00:13:31,810 | 這個案件我為什麼要問你 |
| 00:13:31,810 | 00:13:33,810 | 因為調查局有人跟我說 |
| 00:13:35,670 | 00:13:37,670 | 我問說為什麼不翻案 |
| 00:13:38,970 | 00:13:40,970 | 甚至那個資安的 |
| 00:13:41,960 | 00:13:43,960 | 那個茶葉行 |
| 00:13:43,960 | 00:13:45,960 | 他就自己說他是人頭 |
| 00:13:45,960 | 00:13:47,960 | 我問法務部 |
| 00:13:47,960 | 00:13:49,960 | 你們為什麼不調查他 |
| 00:13:49,960 | 00:13:51,960 | 他說有 |
| 00:13:48,660 | 00:13:50,660 | 所以我現在才來跟你們 |
| 00:13:51,770 | 00:13:53,770 | 問問是不是因為來調查你 |
| 00:13:53,770 | 00:13:55,770 | 調查料 |
| 00:13:55,800 | 00:13:57,800 | 茶葉行沒有 |
| 00:13:58,280 | 00:14:00,280 | 目前沒有 |
| 00:13:59,550 | 00:14:01,550 | 目前沒有 |
| 00:14:01,770 | 00:14:03,770 | 茶葉電機店沒有來調查你 |
| 00:14:03,770 | 00:14:05,770 | 沒有 |
| 00:14:05,770 | 00:14:07,770 | 他是因為他是資安的服務 |
| 00:14:08,240 | 00:14:10,240 | 那個案子是一個資安服務 |
| 00:14:10,240 | 00:14:12,240 | 目前正在履約當中 |
| 00:14:12,240 | 00:14:14,240 | 從今年的1月1號到明年的12月30號 |
| 00:14:14,240 | 00:14:16,240 | 目前履約進度是正常 |
| 00:14:17,970 | 00:14:19,970 | 好,這樣我再來問調查局 |
| 00:14:19,970 | 00:14:21,970 | 好,就這樣,謝謝 |