| IVOD_ID |
170590 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170590 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-22-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
21 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-20T11:23:13+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-20T11:30:31+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:18 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/09ae2675330bc1e5e68eac196938882533c80af58084ea994ecbf2277d9178739b6e307be05129615ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
許忠信 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:23:13 - 11:30:31 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第21次全體委員會議（事由：邀請中央研究院院長陳建仁列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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陳院長建仁 |
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0.861 |
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SPEAKER_01 |
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許委員忠信 |
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陳院長建仁 |
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437.04284375 |
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0.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[0].start |
0.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[0].end |
2.03 |
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各位同仁 我們有請陳院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].start |
2.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].end |
3.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].text |
好 有請院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].start |
6.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].end |
8.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].text |
院長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].start |
9.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].end |
14.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].text |
我們今天臺灣在AI技術相關研發的落後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].start |
14.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].end |
17.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].text |
非常非常非常仰賴中央研究院 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].start |
18.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].end |
19.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].text |
我們必須Catch up |
| transcript.whisperx[6].start |
20.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].end |
21.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].text |
為什麼呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
23.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
26.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
院長一定會覺得說我當一個陳大教授 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
26.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
28.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
為什麼要來這裡咆哮一堂 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
31 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
上次我當一個學者的風雅 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
34.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
36.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
喔 葡萄葉 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
37.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
39.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
AI這個技術 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
40.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
42.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
在 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
41.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
43.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
二次大戰以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
43.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
45.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
美日的專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
45.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
47.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
已經發現它有軍事用途 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
48.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
50.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
49.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
53.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
我從1970年代以後的資料就看不到美方的研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
55.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
57.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
那日本的夫妻子 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
57.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
59.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
繼續用商用的研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
59.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
61.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
所以我查到都是日文 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
61.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
63.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
所以我在2018年之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
64.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
66.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
到日本去做這方面的了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
68 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
70 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
那麼我回來也在民視講了一個節目 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
72.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
74.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
說這個東西呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
73.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
75.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
有很重要的商業價值 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
77.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
79.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
日本夫妻子 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
79.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
81.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
他的研究這麼的先進 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
81.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
83.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
而台灣呢在做AI的眼睛 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
83.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
85.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
手臂各方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
85.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
87.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
大腦以外非常的有比較利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
89.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
91.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
所以如果當時台日合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
92.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
94.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
現在AI產品的市場會是台灣跟日本 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
95.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
97.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
手足打 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
97.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
99.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
不會是像現在這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
99.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
101.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
但是我身為一個學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
103.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
105.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
所以我才會回到立法院來 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
106.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
108.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
我那時候去日本 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
108.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
110.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
因為他們東京奧運2020年 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
112.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
114.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
為了要引導觀光客 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
115.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
117.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
在東京火車站 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
117.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
119.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
設置了好幾個 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
119.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
121.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
會講外文的人工知識人機器人 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
123.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
125.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
我用英文跟他試 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
126.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
128.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
奧運 如何去 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
128.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
130.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
他用英文跟我回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
130.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
132.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
我用日語跟他問 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
133.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
135.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
他用很標準的日語跟我回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
135.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
137.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
我用日語跟他問 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
139.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
141.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
他用台語跟我回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
141.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
143.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
我說喔! |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
143.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
145.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
這個東西真的有商業市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
145.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
147.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
所以我那個晚上住在品川 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
147.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
149.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
品川新加坡的Hotel |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
150.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
152.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
他那個櫃檯就用人工機器人 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
153.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
155.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
你把這瓶蜜蜂 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
155.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
157.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
送到第九樓某一個客人那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
160.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
162.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
這個人工機器人就 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
162.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
164.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
頭上就頂著 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
164.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
166.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
那瓶啤酒出去還會 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
166.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
168.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
叫電梯 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
167.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
169.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
電梯叫下來以後進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
170.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
172.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
還會叫到第九樓 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
172.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
174.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
出來還知道要向右轉 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
174.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
176.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
然後去到房間門口 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
176.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
178.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
跟那個顧客講 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
179.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
181.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
啊! 客人! |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
181.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
183.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
別亂! |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
184.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
186.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
各位這個是2018年之前就已經有了技術 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
188.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
190.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
所以我們台灣Aizer |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
192.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
194.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
從2022年開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
194.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
196.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
Aizer |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
196.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
198.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
大概2022年才開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
198.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
200.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
我們台灣在這裡落後 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
200.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
202.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
中國從2000年以後派了10萬留學生 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
204.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
206.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
到美國加州矽谷等去學習這方面的技術 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
210.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
212.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
所以他們把這10萬人叫做海龜 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
215.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
217.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
不是那個真的海上的海龜 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
218.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
220.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
而是海外龜國華人 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
221.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
223.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
你只要回來中國 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
224.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
226.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
你的貸款政府大力協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
226.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
228.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
讓你去發展無人 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
230 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
232 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
無人機無人駕的汽車等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
233.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
235.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
所以他的技術現在是起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
235.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
237.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
他的技術是美系 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
239.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
241.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
所以我們現在迫切需要KETCHER |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
242.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
244.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
所以我看到您今天的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
244.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
246.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
裡面23 24頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
246.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
248.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
有生成式GENETIC AI |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
248.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
250.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
的風險及其管理機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
250.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
252.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
我非常肯定 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
252.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
254.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
裡面也有AI多元易用開發 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
256.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
258.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
我也非常的肯定 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
258.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
260.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
但是法律的風險部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
262.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
264.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
我在成大教著作全法 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
265 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
267 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
我們請讓我把法律分析報告完 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
267 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
269 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
大概兩三分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
271.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
273.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
我們在訓練AI的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
273.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
275.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
TRAINING |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
275.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
277.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
這個訓練AI用很多成千上億的 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
279.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
281.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
資料很多有著作權 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
282.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
284.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
那這個會變成 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
284.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
286.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
訓練AI會去重置人家的 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
286.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
288.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
著作在你的AI系統裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
289.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
291.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
要重置過程著作權侵害侵權 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
292.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
294.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
美國人為了處理這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
294.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
296.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
用FALSE USE |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
296.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
298.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
裡面他們發展出一種 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
298.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
300.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
叫Transformative USE |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
300.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
302.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
轉化性使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
303.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
305.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
讓他成立合法的訓練 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
306.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
308.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
我國著作權法有沒有這個機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
311.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
313.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
有合理使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
313.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
315.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
但是轉化性使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
315.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
317.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
還有帶 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
316.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
318.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
法院來加以承認 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
319.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
321.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
所以這個是我們中央研究院在 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
321.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
323.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
帶頭領先的時候必須要小心這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
324.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
326.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
你們設計的產品可能在訓練的時候就侵權 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
328.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
330.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
那我們現在變成User |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
330.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
332.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
像我是使用人 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
332.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
334.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
AI output出來的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
335.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
337.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
這個圖跟某一個張大謙的圖 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
339.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
341.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
跟某一個圖非常神似 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
342.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
344.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
但是是AI給我的 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
345.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
347.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
這個會過程侵權的可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
348.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
350.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
因為著作權侵害是有接觸的機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
352.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
354.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
然後有十足劍士兩個加起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
355.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
357.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
我國法院就採美國法的見解 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
357.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
359.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
就推定 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
359.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
361.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
著作權侵害 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
360.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
362.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
變成你要證明你沒有侵害 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
363.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
365.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
這個User沒辦法證明 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
366.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
368.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
他到底去哪裡找到這一些圖 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
368.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
370.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
跟張大謙的跟某類的 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
370.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
372.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
這麼一件事他也不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
372.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
374.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
他沒辦法去證明他獨立創作 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
374.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
376.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
因為他會承認說我是AI給我的 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
377.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
379.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
所以這個是有關於侵權部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
381.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
383.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
所以我們在這個著作權侵害 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
383.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
387.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
中研院在這裡有非常好的研究能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
388.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
390.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
是不是我們中研院在這裡會特別的強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
390.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
392.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
風險管理機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
392.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
398.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
包括德國現在有AI技術方面的相關的保險可以買 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
400.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
402.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
我國現在都還沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
403.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
407.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
所以院長說能夠在這裡也多加的關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
407.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
409.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
讓我們台灣在這裡的發展能夠Catch up |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
411.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
413.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
謝謝許中信委員的諮詢 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-07-20T11:23:13.030000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-07-20T11:23:13.575455+08:00 |
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主席、各位同仁。 |
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0.667 |
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許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-07-20T11:23:14.120909+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-07-20T11:23:14.848182+08:00 |
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有請陳院長。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
1 |
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主席 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-07-20T11:23:15.318000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-07-20T11:23:16.182000+08:00 |
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有請院長。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-07-20T11:23:19.880000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-07-20T11:23:21.213333+08:00 |
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院長好。您好。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-07-20T11:23:22.585556+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-07-20T11:23:34.390000+08:00 |
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今天臺灣在AI技術相關的研發，需要非常非常仰賴中央研究院，我們必須catch up，為什麼呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-07-20T11:23:36.180000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-07-20T11:23:45.818182+08:00 |
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院長一定會覺得我當一個成大教授，為什麼要來這裡咆哮議堂，喪失我當一個學者的風雅？ |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.892 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-07-20T11:23:45.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-07-20T11:23:50.530000+08:00 |
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吾不得已也。 |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-07-20T11:23:50.530000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-07-20T11:24:14.047778+08:00 |
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AI這個技術，在二次大戰以後，美日專家已經發現它有軍事用途，我從1970年代以後的資料就看不到美方的研究，而日本Fujitsu繼續商用的研究，所以我查到的都是日文。 |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-07-20T11:24:15.231429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-07-20T11:24:51.760000+08:00 |
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我在2018年前到日本去做這方面的了解，回來也在民視講了一個節目，說這個東西有很重要的商業價值，日本Fujitsu的研究這麼先進，而臺灣在做AI的眼睛、手臂等各方面，也就是大腦以外的部分，非常有比較利益，如果當時臺日合作，現在AI產品的市場會是臺灣跟日本所主導，不會像現在這樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.863 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-07-20T11:24:52.310000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-07-20T11:24:58.516364+08:00 |
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但是我身為一個學者，說話沒有人要理，所以我才會回到立法院。 |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.731 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-07-20T11:24:59.880000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-07-20T11:25:34.560000+08:00 |
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我那時候去日本，2020年東京奧運，他們為了要引導觀光客，在東京火車站設置了好幾個會講外文的人工機器人，我用英文嘗試詢問它如何去奧運會場，它用英文回答我；我用破日語問它，它用很標準的日語回答我；我不相信這麼厲害，就用臺語問它，結果它用臺語回答我。 |
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0.694 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-07-20T11:25:36.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-07-20T11:26:12.840000+08:00 |
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這個東西真的有商業市場，我那個晚上住在品川しながわ的hotel，櫃台叫人工機器人把一瓶beer送給9樓的某一個客人，這個人工機器人就頭頂著那瓶啤酒出去，還會叫電梯，電梯叫下來以後，進去電梯還會叫到第9樓，出來還知道要向右轉，到房間門口，跟顧客講：お客さま、ビール！ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.814 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-07-20T11:26:17.050000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-07-20T11:26:18.916667+08:00 |
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各位，這是2018年之前就已經有的技術。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-07-20T11:26:22.357273+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-07-20T11:26:53.040000+08:00 |
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臺灣AI熱從2022年才開始，我們臺灣這部分落後了，中國從2000年以後派了10萬留學生到美國加州、矽谷等學習這方面的技術，他們把這10萬人叫做海歸，不是真的海上的海龜，而是海外歸國華人。 |
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0.907 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-07-20T11:26:54.730000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-07-20T11:27:10.234286+08:00 |
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你只要回來中國，你的貸款，政府大力協助，讓你去發展無人駕駛的汽車等等，所以他的技術現在起來了，他的技術是美系的。 |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.94 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-07-20T11:27:12.365294+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-07-20T11:28:03.913333+08:00 |
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我們現在迫切需要catch up，我看到您今天的報告裡面第23、24頁，有生成式（generative）AI的風險及其管理機制，我非常肯定，裡面也有AI多元應用開發，我也非常肯定，但是法律的風險部分，我在成大教著作權法，我們在訓練（training）AI的時候用成千上億的資料，很多有著作權，變成訓練AI的過程會重置人家的著作在你的AI系統裡，構成著作權侵害……侵權。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.794 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-07-20T11:28:05.630000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-07-20T11:28:18.137778+08:00 |
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美國人為了處理這個問題使用fair use，裡面他們發展出一種叫transformative use（轉化性使用），讓它成為合法的訓練。 |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.77 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-07-20T11:28:19.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-07-20T11:28:21.746154+08:00 |
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我國著作權法有沒有這個機制？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-07-20T11:28:24.530000+08:00 |
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有合理使用，但是轉化性使用還有待法院加以承認。 |
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許委員忠信 |
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中央研究院帶頭領先的時候，必須要小心這部分，你們設計的產品可能在訓練的時候就侵權，我們現在變成user，像我是使用人，AI output出來的產品，這個圖跟張大千某個圖、跟某類圖非常神似，但這是AI給我的，這個會構成侵權的可能，因為著作權侵害的判斷是有接觸的機會、有實質近似，這兩個加起來，我國法院就採美國法的見解，就推定著作權侵害，變成你要證明你沒有侵害。 |
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許委員忠信 |
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user沒辦法證明，因為AI到底去哪裡找到這些圖，跟張大千、跟某類的圖這麼近似，他也不知道，他沒辦法證明是獨立創作，因為他會承認是AI給他的，這是有關於侵權的部分。 |
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許委員忠信 |
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著作權侵害這部分，中研院有非常好的研究能力，中研院在這部分是不是要特別強調風險管理機制？ |
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許委員忠信 |
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包括德國現在有AI技術相關的保險可以買，我國現在還沒有，院長是否能夠多加關心這部分，讓我們臺灣這部分的發展能夠catch up？ |
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陳院長建仁 |
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1 |
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2026-07-20T11:30:03.430000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝許委員很好的建議。 |
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許委員忠信 |
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「好」是可以吧？ |
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陳院長建仁 |
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2026-07-20T11:30:05.430000+08:00 |
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我們會讓我們同仁一起來做好這一方面的了解，在法律上應該怎麼樣來強化？ |
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陳院長建仁 |
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1 |
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2026-07-20T11:30:06.430000+08:00 |
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我想您這些寶貴的意見，我們可以好好地來研議如何進一步研究。 |
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許委員忠信 |
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1 |
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謝謝院長讓我到立法院來還是有我的價值，謝謝。謝謝。 |
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主席 |
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謝謝許忠信委員的質詢，也請院長回座。 |
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主席 |
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1 |
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2026-07-20T11:30:10.510000+08:00 |
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下一位有請鄭天財委員進行詢答。 |
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許委員忠信：（11時23分）主席、各位同仁。有請陳院長。 |
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主席：有請院長。 |
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許委員忠信：院長好。 |
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陳院長建仁：您好。 |
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許委員忠信：今天臺灣在AI技術相關的研發，需要非常非常仰賴中央研究院，我們必須catch up，為什麼呢？院長一定會覺得我當一個成大教授，為什麼要來這裡咆哮議堂，喪失我當一個學者的風雅？吾不得已也。AI這個技術，在二次大戰以後，美日專家已經發現它有軍事用途，我從1970年代以後的資料就看不到美方的研究，而日本Fujitsu繼續商用的研究，所以我查到的都是日文。我在2018年前到日本去做這方面的了解，回來也在民視講了一個節目，說這個東西有很重要的商業價值，日本Fujitsu的研究這麼先進，而臺灣在做AI的眼睛、手臂等各方面，也就是大腦以外的部分，非常有比較利益，如果當時臺日合作，現在AI產品的市場會是臺灣跟日本所主導，不會像現在這樣。但是我身為一個學者，說話沒有人要理，所以我才會回到立法院。 |
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我那時候去日本，2020年東京奧運，他們為了要引導觀光客，在東京火車站設置了好幾個會講外文的人工機器人，我用英文嘗試詢問它如何去奧運會場，它用英文回答我；我用破日語問它，它用很標準的日語回答我；我不相信這麼厲害，就用臺語問它，結果它用臺語回答我。這個東西真的有商業市場，我那個晚上住在品川しながわ的hotel，櫃台叫人工機器人把一瓶beer送給9樓的某一個客人，這個人工機器人就頭頂著那瓶啤酒出去，還會叫電梯，電梯叫下來以後，進去電梯還會叫到第9樓，出來還知道要向右轉，到房間門口，跟顧客講：お客さま、ビール！各位，這是2018年之前就已經有的技術。 |
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臺灣AI熱從2022年才開始，我們臺灣這部分落後了，中國從2000年以後派了10萬留學生到美國加州、矽谷等學習這方面的技術，他們把這10萬人叫做海歸，不是真的海上的海龜，而是海外歸國華人。你只要回來中國，你的貸款，政府大力協助，讓你去發展無人駕駛的汽車等等，所以他的技術現在起來了，他的技術是美系的。我們現在迫切需要catch up，我看到您今天的報告裡面第23、24頁，有生成式（generative）AI的風險及其管理機制，我非常肯定，裡面也有AI多元應用開發，我也非常肯定，但是法律的風險部分，我在成大教著作權法，我們在訓練（training）AI的時候用成千上億的資料，很多有著作權，變成訓練AI的過程會重置人家的著作在你的AI系統裡，構成著作權侵害…… |
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陳院長建仁：侵權。 |
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許委員忠信：美國人為了處理這個問題使用fair use，裡面他們發展出一種叫transformative use（轉化性使用），讓它成為合法的訓練。我國著作權法有沒有這個機制？有合理使用，但是轉化性使用還有待法院加以承認。中央研究院帶頭領先的時候，必須要小心這部分，你們設計的產品可能在訓練的時候就侵權，我們現在變成user，像我是使用人，AI output出來的產品，這個圖跟張大千某個圖、跟某類圖非常神似，但這是AI給我的，這個會構成侵權的可能，因為著作權侵害的判斷是有接觸的機會、有實質近似，這兩個加起來，我國法院就採美國法的見解，就推定著作權侵害，變成你要證明你沒有侵害。user沒辦法證明，因為AI到底去哪裡找到這些圖，跟張大千、跟某類的圖這麼近似，他也不知道，他沒辦法證明是獨立創作，因為他會承認是AI給他的，這是有關於侵權的部分。 |
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著作權侵害這部分，中研院有非常好的研究能力，中研院在這部分是不是要特別強調風險管理機制？包括德國現在有AI技術相關的保險可以買，我國現在還沒有，院長是否能夠多加關心這部分，讓我們臺灣這部分的發展能夠catch up？ |
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陳院長建仁：好，謝謝許委員很好的建議。 |
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許委員忠信：「好」是可以吧？ |
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陳院長建仁：我們會讓我們同仁一起來做好這一方面的了解，在法律上應該怎麼樣來強化？我想您這些寶貴的意見，我們可以好好地來研議如何進一步研究。 |
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許委員忠信：謝謝院長讓我到立法院來還是有我的價值，謝謝。 |
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陳院長建仁：謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝許忠信委員的質詢，也請院長回座。 |
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下一位有請鄭天財委員進行詢答。 |
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伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
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柯志恩 |
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羅廷瑋 |
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葛如鈞 |
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陳秀寳 |
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蔡春綢 |
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郭昱晴 |
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謝龍介 |
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陳培瑜 |
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吳思瑤 |
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羅智強 |
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吳沛憶 |
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洪孟楷 |
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許忠信 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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葉元之 |
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林宜瑾 |
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傅崐萁 |
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吳宗憲 |
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立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第21次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請中央研究院院長陳建仁列席報告業務概況，並備質詢 |
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1156501_00001 |