iVOD / 170590

Field Value
IVOD_ID 170590
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170590
日期 2026-07-20
會議資料.會議代碼 委員會-11-5-22-21
會議資料.會議代碼:str 第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第21次全體委員會議
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 5
會議資料.會次 21
會議資料.種類 委員會
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會議資料.標題 第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第21次全體委員會議
影片種類 Clip
開始時間 2026-07-20T11:23:13+08:00
結束時間 2026-07-20T11:30:31+08:00
影片長度 00:07:18
支援功能[0] ai-transcript
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委員名稱 許忠信
委員發言時間 11:23:13 - 11:30:31
會議時間 2026-07-20T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第21次全體委員會議(事由:邀請中央研究院院長陳建仁列席報告業務概況,並備質詢。)
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transcript.whisperx[1].text 好 有請院長
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transcript.whisperx[2].text 院長好
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transcript.whisperx[8].text 為什麼要來這裡咆哮一堂
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transcript.whisperx[9].text 上次我當一個學者的風雅
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transcript.whisperx[10].text 喔 葡萄葉
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transcript.whisperx[15].text 已經發現它有軍事用途
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transcript.whisperx[17].text 我從1970年代以後的資料就看不到美方的研究
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transcript.whisperx[20].text 所以我查到都是日文
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transcript.whisperx[21].text 所以我在2018年之前
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transcript.whisperx[23].text 那麼我回來也在民視講了一個節目
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transcript.whisperx[32].text 現在AI產品的市場會是台灣跟日本
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transcript.whisperx[33].text 手足打
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transcript.whisperx[34].text 不會是像現在這樣
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transcript.whisperx[35].text 但是我身為一個學者
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transcript.whisperx[44].text 奧運 如何去
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transcript.whisperx[53].text 品川新加坡的Hotel
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transcript.whisperx[54].text 他那個櫃檯就用人工機器人
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transcript.whisperx[58].text 頭上就頂著
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transcript.whisperx[68].text 各位這個是2018年之前就已經有了技術
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transcript.whisperx[72].text 大概2022年才開始
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transcript.whisperx[77].text 不是那個真的海上的海龜
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transcript.whisperx[80].text 你的貸款政府大力協助
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transcript.whisperx[82].text 無人機無人駕的汽車等等
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transcript.whisperx[86].text 所以我看到您今天的報告
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transcript.whisperx[87].text 裡面23 24頁
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transcript.whisperx[88].text 有生成式GENETIC AI
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transcript.whisperx[91].text 裡面也有AI多元易用開發
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transcript.whisperx[98].text TRAINING
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transcript.whisperx[99].text 這個訓練AI用很多成千上億的
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transcript.whisperx[100].text 資料很多有著作權
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transcript.whisperx[102].text 訓練AI會去重置人家的
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transcript.whisperx[106].text 用FALSE USE
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transcript.whisperx[116].text 所以這個是我們中央研究院在
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transcript.whisperx[117].text 帶頭領先的時候必須要小心這裡
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transcript.whisperx[118].text 你們設計的產品可能在訓練的時候就侵權
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transcript.whisperx[119].text 那我們現在變成User
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transcript.whisperx[120].text 像我是使用人
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transcript.whisperx[121].text AI output出來的產品
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transcript.whisperx[122].text 這個圖跟某一個張大謙的圖
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transcript.whisperx[123].text 跟某一個圖非常神似
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transcript.whisperx[124].text 但是是AI給我的
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transcript.whisperx[125].text 這個會過程侵權的可能
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transcript.whisperx[128].text 我國法院就採美國法的見解
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transcript.whisperx[129].text 就推定
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transcript.whisperx[131].text 變成你要證明你沒有侵害
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transcript.whisperx[132].text 這個User沒辦法證明
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transcript.whisperx[135].text 這麼一件事他也不知道
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transcript.whisperx[136].text 他沒辦法去證明他獨立創作
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transcript.whisperx[137].text 因為他會承認說我是AI給我的
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transcript.whisperx[138].text 所以這個是有關於侵權部分
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transcript.whisperx[139].text 所以我們在這個著作權侵害
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transcript.whisperx[140].text 中研院在這裡有非常好的研究能力
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transcript.whisperx[141].text 是不是我們中研院在這裡會特別的強調
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transcript.whisperx[143].text 包括德國現在有AI技術方面的相關的保險可以買
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transcript.whisperx[144].text 我國現在都還沒有
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transcript.whisperx[145].text 所以院長說能夠在這裡也多加的關心
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transcript.whisperx[146].text 讓我們台灣在這裡的發展能夠Catch up
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transcript.whisperx[147].text 謝謝許中信委員的諮詢