| IVOD_ID |
170259 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170259 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-02 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-02T12:12:48+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-02T12:20:42+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:54 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/cc5c88b044d5f1e07f704bc338f9114cc206a561727bd8a322fd377cd8fd89fdc85f38e9dc6d1ac45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
許忠信 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:12:48 - 12:20:42 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-02T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：審查
一、委員徐巧芯等19人擬具「菸害防制法第二十六條條文修正草案」案。
二、委員黃健豪等17人擬具「菸害防制法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
三、委員羅智強等17人擬具「菸害防制法第二十六條條文修正草案」案。
四、委員羅智強等17人擬具「菸害防制法第四十條條文修正草案」案。
五、委員吳宗憲等17人擬具「菸害防制法第四條條文修正草案」案。
六、委員陳秀寳等20人擬具「菸害防制法部分條文修正草案」案。
七、委員林月琴等22人擬具「菸害防制法部分條文修正草案」案。
八、委員王育敏等20人擬具「菸害防制法部分條文修正草案」案。
九、委員呂玉玲等16人擬具「菸害防制法增訂第七條之一條文草案」案。
十、委員邱若華等17人擬具「菸害防制法第三條及第十五條條文修正草案」案。
十一、委員陳超明等31人擬具「菸害防制法部分條文修正草案」案。
十二、委員王義川等17人擬具「菸害防制法第三十二條及第四十條條文修正草案」案。
十三、委員林倩綺等22人擬具「菸害防制法部分條文修正草案」案。
十四、委員陳菁徽等21人擬具「菸害防制法第十五條條文修正草案」案。
十五、委員林思銘等20人擬具「菸害防制法部分條文修正草案」案。
十六、委員邱鎮軍等20人擬具「菸害防制法部分條文修正草案」案。
十七、委員賴瑞隆等17人擬具「菸害防制法部分條文修正草案」案。
【僅詢答】【第十二至十七案，如經復議則不予審查】） |
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有請時部長有請時部長部長消負重工我非常的感動我們朝委為這個法案這個快速來排案我也非常的感動所以我今天一大早七點二十幾分來朝委已經到所以各位可以看到朝委對這件事情非常的努力要來促成 |
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那我查到我們行政院6月25號的院會應該是最新的final的版本這個版本很特異的還沒有進本院所以你所報告的內容我不在立法院找到的在行政院6月25號的院會的版本這是本院的特例也就是說 |
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草案還沒有進來就請部長來跟我們委員來做報告然後跟委員提案並案以前據我的經驗沒有這個案例所以很顯然這個案例傳統煙商當然希望不要賣電子煙不要賣加熱煙那麼 |
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電子煙跟加熱煙商當然說你可以傳統抽煙那也可以抽我的電子煙那現在我們其實這個煙害防治法我聽這樣一個早上其實部長你的責任重大你其實是在防治毒品不是在防治抽煙如果防治抽煙簡單傳統煙也禁 |
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但是傳統煙沒進,我們進電子煙,這也違法今天這個版本我去讀了以後,就是要對加熱煙 |
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電子煙電子煙電子煙已經進了這一次的版本就是要加重對 加重 然後增加的加熱菸也就是指定煙品沒有沒有 那個指定煙品就是加熱菸那這個是在上次修法的時候已經是納管了那電子煙的部分我們這一次是把電子煙提高到刑事責任 刑罰的部分 |
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所以我要來請教部長這個電子煙就是類煙品然後它是禁止組合原件那我們指定煙品就是有加熱裝置的煙品指定煙品 |
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它多了一個必要兩個字必要之組合原件裡面跟類言品最大的差異多了一個必要之組合原件什麼叫必要 |
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因為跟委員說明當時候在這個修法的時候因為指定菸品當時候的設定就是加熱菸那它通常它的菸柱跟它的載具是綁在一起的 |
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就是在申請的時候是一對一綁在一起所以我們在這個受理審查的時候呢不會只審那個煙柱因為加熱煙的煙柱其實跟一般的煙品是類似主要是要看它那個這個 |
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這個加熱的過程當中會不會額外的產生一些危害物質所以必須要做這個健康風險評估所以才會有講你這個煙柱是要賣搭配它的是什麼樣的那個元件所以稱為必要的組合元件概念是這樣那個類煙品就不一樣了因為類煙品它很可能是因為它可以放不同的煙油 |
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所以他可以參啦有時候用A有時候用B所以那個時候就沒有特別去只要是組合元件一律都是禁啦就是他這個電子菸的容器通通都是禁的部長剛才你有看到蘇清泉委員顯示一個加熱菸的外觀嘛請問這個加熱菸裡面除了那個外殼 |
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裡面有一個加熱器嘛對然後一定會有一個吸管可以讓你吸得到嘛它不是吸管它是插煙柱對然後讓你可以吸得到不然你怎麼到你嘴巴沒有 它的 它是這樣它吸的部分不是吸那一個元件它還是吸那個煙啦對它還是吸那個煙柱啦它只是它的前端前端末端已經是用賴打點而且它是用它的那個加熱器在點 |
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請問那一個外觀以及加熱器還有讓你吸食的是不是必要原件?它吸食還是那個煙柱沒有那個濾水它也是跟我們的傳統的煙瓶一樣有一個濾水它是吸那個濾水剛才蘇清泉委員顯示一個四方形的四方形的那個外殼是不是必要原件?那裡面的加熱器是不是必要原件? |
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裡面其他的設備、容器是不是必要元件?都是嗎?它沒有容器,它是一個差的電子裝置它沒有容器所以你對必要元件的定義你必須要進一步加以界定因為我可能是一個中小企業,我就做外殼而已 |
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我可能一個中小企業我就做那個加熱器而已現在產業分工很細這樣才會有利潤那你這個必要原件的如果沒有密切加以界定變成你這個行者雖然是罰款一千萬到五千萬我製造我只製造那個外殼也是必要中標 |
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那麼我如果是公認的話會比較輕但是你這個定義如果沒有定義清楚你會違反罪行法定主義所以我今天可是我做了一個早餐好像您對其他委員都有限制時間我解釋這個是要讓我們的法律更完善也就是說跟我們的法體系可以接受 |
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我提供一個意見,稍微讓我把它講完我從美國專利法271條B項跟C項你那個C項就是contributory也就是說這個商品沒有其他主要合法用途 |
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除了做加熱器以外沒有主要合法用途那我罰你就很天經地義那如果我這個外殼可以做其他的名片夾等等那這個我們不能罰他所以我們從美國專利法227條C款可以讓我們參考讓我們的法制更完整不會罰得太廣這是我今天來的目的謝謝委員的指教 |
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好謝謝許中信委員的發言接下來請張雅玲委員發言 |
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許委員忠信 |
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有請石部長。 |
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主席 |
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有請石部長。 |
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石部長崇良 |
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1 |
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許委員好。 |
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許委員忠信 |
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部長好。 |
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許委員忠信 |
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部長枵腹從公，我非常的感動，我們召委為這個法案快速來排案，我也非常的感動，所以我今天一大早七點二十幾分來，召委已經到了，所以各位可以看到召委對這件事情非常努力要來促成。 |
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許委員忠信 |
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我查到行政院6月25號院會應該是最新的final版本，這個版本很特異還沒有進本院，所以你所報告的內容我不是在立法院找到的，而是行政院6月25號院會的版本。 |
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許委員忠信 |
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這是本院的特例，也就是說，草案還沒有進來就請部長來跟我們委員做報告，然後跟委員的提案併案，據我的經驗，以前沒有這個案例，所以很顯然這個案例…… |
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許委員忠信 |
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傳統菸商當然希望不要賣電子煙、不要賣加熱菸，那麼電子煙跟加熱菸商當然說可以傳統抽菸、也可以抽我的電子煙。 |
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許委員忠信 |
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關於菸害防制法我聽了一個早上，發現部長你的責任重大，你其實是在防制毒品、不是在防制抽菸，防制抽菸簡單，傳統菸也禁，但是傳統菸沒禁，我們禁電子煙，現在違法。 |
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許委員忠信 |
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我讀了今天這個版本以後，就是要對加熱菸…… |
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石部長崇良 |
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電子煙。 |
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1 |
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許委員忠信 |
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電子煙已經禁了，這次的版本就是要…… |
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石部長崇良 |
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還要加重。 |
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許委員忠信 |
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對，加重，然後增加加熱菸，也就是指定菸品。 |
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石部長崇良 |
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沒有，那個指定菸品就是加熱菸，這個在上次修法的時候已經納管了；電子煙的部分，我們這一次是把電子煙提高到刑事責任、刑罰的部分。 |
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許委員忠信 |
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所以我要來請教部長，電子煙就是類菸品？對。 |
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許委員忠信 |
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然後它是禁止組合元件。對。 |
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許委員忠信 |
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那指定菸品就是有加熱裝置的菸品，它多了必要兩個字，必要之組合元件，裡面跟類菸品最大的差異是多了必要之組合元件，什麼叫必要？ |
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石部長崇良 |
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跟委員說明，當時候在修法的時候，因為指定菸品當時候的設定就是加熱菸，通常它的菸柱跟載具是綁在一起的，在申請的時候是一對一綁在一起，所以我們在受理審查的時候不會只審菸柱，因為加熱菸的菸柱其實跟一般的菸品類似，主要是看加熱的過程當中會不會額外產生一些危害物質，必須要做健康風險評估，所以才會規範這個菸柱要賣時搭配的是什麼元件，因此稱為必要的組合元件，概念是這樣。 |
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石部長崇良 |
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但類菸品就不一樣了，類菸品因為可以放不同的菸油，所以它可以「摻」，或者有時候用A、有時候用B，因此那個時候就沒有特別……只要是組合元件一律都是禁，電子煙的容器通通都禁。 |
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0.822 |
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許委員忠信 |
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2026-07-02T12:17:19.705000+08:00 |
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2026-07-02T12:17:25.928000+08:00 |
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部長，剛才你有看到對蘇清泉委員顯示一個加熱菸的外觀嘛。對！ |
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0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-07-02T12:17:27.649000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-07-02T12:17:36.872000+08:00 |
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請問加熱菸除了那個外殼，裡面也有一個加熱器，然後一定會有一個吸管可以讓你吸得到嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.974 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-07-02T12:17:37.533000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-07-02T12:17:39.794000+08:00 |
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它不是吸管，它是插菸柱。 |
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0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-07-02T12:17:41.274000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-07-02T12:17:43.715000+08:00 |
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對，然後讓你可以吸得到，不然怎麼到你嘴巴？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-07-02T12:17:44.516000+08:00 |
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2026-07-02T12:18:00.423000+08:00 |
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沒有，它是這樣，它吸的部分不是吸那一個元件，它還是吸那個菸、還是吸那個菸柱，只是它的末端我們以前是用打火機點，而它是用加熱器點。 |
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0.86 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-07-02T12:18:02.384000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-07-02T12:18:07.747000+08:00 |
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請問它的外觀、加熱器還有讓人吸食的是不是必要元件？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.826 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-07-02T12:18:09.989000+08:00 |
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2026-07-02T12:18:17.953000+08:00 |
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這沒有吸食，吸食還是用菸柱尾端的那個濾嘴，它還是跟我們的傳統菸品一樣有一個濾嘴，它是吸那個濾嘴。 |
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0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-07-02T12:18:18.054000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-07-02T12:18:21.696000+08:00 |
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我的問題就是剛才蘇清泉委員顯示一個四方形的…… |
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0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-07-02T12:18:21.956000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-07-02T12:18:22.877000+08:00 |
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四方形的那個…… |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-07-02T12:18:22.877000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-07-02T12:18:24.077000+08:00 |
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那個外殼是不是必要元件？對啊！ |
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0.615 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-07-02T12:18:24.077000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
1 |
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2026-07-02T12:18:26.078000+08:00 |
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那就是必要元件。 |
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0.143 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-07-02T12:18:26.078000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-07-02T12:18:27.720000+08:00 |
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裡面的加熱器是不是必要元件？對！ |
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0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-07-02T12:18:29.259000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-07-02T12:18:33.282000+08:00 |
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裡面其他的設備、容器是不是必要元件？都是。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-07-02T12:18:34.503000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-07-02T12:18:40.767000+08:00 |
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它沒有容器，它是一個插的電子裝置，它沒有容器。 |
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0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-07-02T12:18:40.767000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
1 |
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2026-07-02T12:18:41.767000+08:00 |
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都是必要元件。對！ |
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0 |
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許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-07-02T12:18:41.508000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-07-02T12:19:22.360000+08:00 |
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所以你對必要元件的定義必須要進一步加以界定，因為我可能是一個中小企業，我就做外殼而已；我可能是一個中小企業，我就做加熱器而已，現在產業分工很細，這樣才會有利潤，而你這個必要元件如果沒有密切加以界定，變成這個刑責雖然是罰鍰1,000萬到5,000萬，但我只製造那個外殼也是必要，中標！ |
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0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-07-02T12:19:25.373000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-07-02T12:19:36.616000+08:00 |
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我如果是供應的話會比較輕，但是你這個定義如果沒有定義清楚，你會違反罪刑法定主義，所以我今天…… |
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0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-07-02T12:19:36.616000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
1 |
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2026-07-02T12:19:37.816000+08:00 |
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許委員可能要注意時間。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
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2026-07-02T12:19:37.816000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-07-02T12:19:43.997000+08:00 |
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可是我坐了一個早上，好像您對其他委員都沒有限制時間。 |
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0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-07-02T12:19:43.997000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-07-02T12:19:44.997000+08:00 |
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都有，我都有站起來！ |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-07-02T12:19:43.997000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-07-02T12:19:54.887000+08:00 |
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我解釋這個是要讓我們的法律更完善，也就是說，跟我們的法體系可以相容，我提供一個意見，召委，讓我把它講完。 |
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0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-07-02T12:19:55.908000+08:00 |
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2026-07-02T12:20:20.642000+08:00 |
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我引述美國專利法271條b項跟c項，c項就是contributory，也就是說這個商品沒有其他主要合法用途，除了做加熱器以外，沒有主要合法用途，那我罰你就很天經地義；如果我這個外殼可以做其他的名片夾等等，那這個我們不能罰他……可以。 |
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0.932 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-07-02T12:20:21.603000+08:00 |
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2026-07-02T12:20:33.511000+08:00 |
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所以美國專利法271條c款可以讓我們參考，讓我們的法制更完整、不會罰得太廣，這是我今天來的目的。 |
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0.976 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-07-02T12:20:35.272000+08:00 |
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2026-07-02T12:20:35.732000+08:00 |
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謝謝委員的指教，我覺得受益良多。 |
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0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-07-02T12:20:39.358000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-07-02T12:20:40.721000+08:00 |
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謝謝許忠信委員的發言。 |
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0.9 |
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主席 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-07-02T12:20:40.962000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-07-02T12:20:42.004000+08:00 |
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接下來請張雅琳委員發言。 |
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許委員忠信：（12時12分）有請石部長。 |
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主席：有請石部長。 |
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石部長崇良：許委員好。 |
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許委員忠信：部長好。部長枵腹從公，我非常的感動，我們召委為這個法案快速來排案，我也非常的感動，所以我今天一大早七點二十幾分來，召委已經到了，所以各位可以看到召委對這件事情非常努力要來促成。 |
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我查到行政院6月25號院會應該是最新的final版本，這個版本很特異還沒有進本院，所以你所報告的內容我不是在立法院找到的，而是行政院6月25號院會的版本。這是本院的特例，也就是說，草案還沒有進來就請部長來跟我們委員做報告，然後跟委員的提案併案，據我的經驗，以前沒有這個案例，所以很顯然這個案例…… |
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傳統菸商當然希望不要賣電子煙、不要賣加熱菸，那麼電子煙跟加熱菸商當然說可以傳統抽菸、也可以抽我的電子煙。關於菸害防制法我聽了一個早上，發現部長你的責任重大，你其實是在防制毒品、不是在防制抽菸，防制抽菸簡單，傳統菸也禁，但是傳統菸沒禁，我們禁電子煙，現在違法。我讀了今天這個版本以後，就是要對加熱菸…… |
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石部長崇良：電子煙。 |
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許委員忠信：電子煙已經禁了，這次的版本就是要…… |
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石部長崇良：還要加重。 |
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許委員忠信：對，加重，然後增加加熱菸，也就是指定菸品。 |
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石部長崇良：沒有，那個指定菸品就是加熱菸，這個在上次修法的時候已經納管了；電子煙的部分，我們這一次是把電子煙提高到刑事責任、刑罰的部分。 |
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許委員忠信：所以我要來請教部長，電子煙就是類菸品？ |
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石部長崇良：對。 |
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許委員忠信：然後它是禁止組合元件。 |
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石部長崇良：對。 |
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許委員忠信：那指定菸品就是有加熱裝置的菸品，它多了必要兩個字，必要之組合元件，裡面跟類菸品最大的差異是多了必要之組合元件，什麼叫必要？ |
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石部長崇良：跟委員說明，當時候在修法的時候，因為指定菸品當時候的設定就是加熱菸，通常它的菸柱跟載具是綁在一起的，在申請的時候是一對一綁在一起，所以我們在受理審查的時候不會只審菸柱，因為加熱菸的菸柱其實跟一般的菸品類似，主要是看加熱的過程當中會不會額外產生一些危害物質，必須要做健康風險評估，所以才會規範這個菸柱要賣時搭配的是什麼元件，因此稱為必要的組合元件，概念是這樣。 |
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但類菸品就不一樣了，類菸品因為可以放不同的菸油，所以它可以「摻」，或者有時候用A、有時候用B，因此那個時候就沒有特別……只要是組合元件一律都是禁，電子煙的容器通通都禁。 |
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許委員忠信：部長，剛才你有看到對蘇清泉委員顯示一個加熱菸的外觀嘛。 |
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石部長崇良：對！ |
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許委員忠信：請問加熱菸除了那個外殼，裡面也有一個加熱器，然後一定會有一個吸管可以讓你吸得到嘛？ |
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石部長崇良：它不是吸管，它是插菸柱。 |
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許委員忠信：對，然後讓你可以吸得到，不然怎麼到你嘴巴？ |
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石部長崇良：沒有，它是這樣，它吸的部分不是吸那一個元件，它還是吸那個菸、還是吸那個菸柱，只是它的末端我們以前是用打火機點，而它是用加熱器點。 |
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許委員忠信：請問它的外觀、加熱器還有讓人吸食的是不是必要元件？ |
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石部長崇良：這沒有吸食，吸食還是用菸柱尾端的那個濾嘴，它還是跟我們的傳統菸品一樣有一個濾嘴，它是吸那個濾嘴。 |
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許委員忠信：我的問題就是剛才蘇清泉委員顯示一個四方形的…… |
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石部長崇良：四方形的那個…… |
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許委員忠信：那個外殼是不是必要元件？ |
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石部長崇良：對啊！那就是必要元件。 |
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許委員忠信：裡面的加熱器是不是必要元件？ |
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石部長崇良：對！ |
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許委員忠信：裡面其他的設備、容器是不是必要元件？都是。 |
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石部長崇良：它沒有容器，它是一個插的電子裝置，它沒有容器。 |
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許委員忠信：都是必要元件。 |
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石部長崇良：對！ |
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許委員忠信：所以你對必要元件的定義必須要進一步加以界定，因為我可能是一個中小企業，我就做外殼而已；我可能是一個中小企業，我就做加熱器而已，現在產業分工很細，這樣才會有利潤，而你這個必要元件如果沒有密切加以界定，變成這個刑責雖然是罰鍰1,000萬到5,000萬，但我只製造那個外殼也是必要，中標！我如果是供應的話會比較輕，但是你這個定義如果沒有定義清楚，你會違反罪刑法定主義，所以我今天…… |
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主席：許委員可能要注意時間。 |
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許委員忠信：可是我坐了一個早上，好像您對其他委員都沒有限制時間。 |
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主席：都有，我都有站起來！ |
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許委員忠信：我解釋這個是要讓我們的法律更完善，也就是說，跟我們的法體系可以相容，我提供一個意見，召委，讓我把它講完。我引述美國專利法271條b項跟c項，c項就是contributory，也就是說這個商品沒有其他主要合法用途，除了做加熱器以外，沒有主要合法用途，那我罰你就很天經地義；如果我這個外殼可以做其他的名片夾等等，那這個我們不能罰他…… |
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石部長崇良：可以。 |
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許委員忠信：所以美國專利法271條c款可以讓我們參考，讓我們的法制更完整、不會罰得太廣，這是我今天來的目的。 |
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石部長崇良：謝謝委員的指教，我覺得受益良多。 |
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主席：謝謝許忠信委員的發言。 |
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接下來請張雅琳委員發言。 |
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248 |
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委員會-11-5-26-17 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
林月琴 |
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王正旭 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
王育敏 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
林倩綺 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
陳菁徽 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
邱慧洳 |
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邱鎮軍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
林淑芬 |
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黃秀芳 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
涂權吉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
盧縣一 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
劉建國 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
蘇清泉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
許忠信 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
張雅琳 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
傅崐萁 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
陳冠廷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
廖偉翔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
楊曜 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[19] |
陳瑩 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[20] |
游顥 |
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161 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2026-07-02 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1155701 |
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1155701_00007 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第17次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
審查一、委員徐巧芯等19人擬具「菸害防制法第二十六條條文修正草案」案、二、委員黃健豪等
17人擬具「菸害防制法第三十七條條文修正草案」案、三、委員羅智強等17人擬具「菸害防制法
第二十六條條文修正草案」案、四、委員羅智強等 17 人擬具「菸害防制法第四十條條文修正草
案」案、五、委員吳宗憲等17人擬具「菸害防制法第四條條文修正草案」案、六、委員陳秀寳等
20人擬具「菸害防制法部分條文修正草案」案、七、委員林月琴等22人擬具「菸害防制法部分條
文修正草案」案、八、委員王育敏等20人擬具「菸害防制法部分條文修正草案」案、九、委員呂
玉玲等16人擬具「菸害防制法增訂第七條之一條文草案」案、十、委員邱若華等17人擬具「菸害
防制法第三條及第十五條條文修正草案」案、十一、委員陳超明等31人擬具「菸害防制法部分條
文修正草案」案、十二、委員王義川等17人擬具「菸害防制法第三十二條及第四十條條文修正草
案」案、十三、委員林倩綺等22人擬具「菸害防制法部分條文修正草案」案、十四、委員陳菁徽
等21人擬具「菸害防制法第十五條條文修正草案」案、十五、委員林思銘等20人擬具「菸害防制
法部分條文修正草案」案、十六、委員邱鎮軍等20人擬具「菸害防制法部分條文修正草案」案、
十七、委員賴瑞隆等17人擬具「菸害防制法部分條文修正草案」案（詢答） |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1155701_00011 |