| IVOD_ID |
170064 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170064 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-18T09:47:46+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-18T09:56:52+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:06 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ac5d42f4fd98837a38aae6440224d52474651e55be1bd8f35dfbff722aff1dc57b10ae65e3cca9285ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林俊憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:47:46 - 09:56:52 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金－鐵道發展基金分預算。
二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金－臺鐵局撥入資產及債務管理基金分預算。【一、本日會議僅進行詢答；二、兩基金預算提案截止收件時間為6月18日下午4時】
【6月17日及18日二天一次會】） |
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交通的標線問題 |
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這個其實跟民眾都很相關其實你們交通部管的大建設以外最重要的民生議題民眾每一天都會遇到行的問題交通部如果把相關的行的事情尤其是行人也好車輛也好這個事情其實都是大事你看一個新聞這我們台南仁德的太子路還有花那個茶話縣 |
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結果一天檢舉一百多件原來我才知道這個潮化線連壓過去都不行潮化線你看得到齁市長我這個照片前面是網狀線後面那個斜線就是潮化線潮化線竟然你如果只要一個輪子壓過去都不行它定義是不是這樣 |
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你不知道嗎我理解也是這樣子剛講曹劃縣主要是剛講你車輛的一個地方他那個檢舉這一天一百多件檢舉你只要輪子壓上去他就檢舉你檢查就馬上開單那到底曹劃縣對車輛是完全禁止連壓到都不行嗎 |
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現在是這樣 警方單位是這樣處理我舉這個案子當例子 我們交通號誌的標籤有規定法律規定是這樣 我們交通標誌號誌的設置規則 潮滑線是禁止跨越那跨越算什麼 跨越的動作什麼叫跨越 |
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四樓怎麼都高過 叫跨越那如果只有一個輪子 插邊壓過去算跨越嗎 |
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壓到線應該就算跨越市長這麼講 那我們的如果處理它壓到 像你講的 一個月內會告到這個潮汗線它就開單 它開單就是按照道路交通管理處罰條例它開的都是用這條 60條的第二項第三款不遵守道路交通標誌標線號誌這條最廣泛 它開端都開這條 |
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後來有民眾不服啦 跨越應該是車輛都壓過去才叫跨越嘛你們現在都照這樣法 一個輪子壓到都不行 |
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我舉一個案例 花蓮的幻影棚花蓮地方法院在2016年有一個行政訴訟的這個民眾不服他說我草化縣我只有一個輪子壓過去而已結果就給我開單後來法院怎麼判斷 你看法官的意見法官說 |
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雖然這台車的左側的車輛都有壓到潮汗線但是車輛有四分之三都留在原車道所以沒有如果你要達到什麼叫跨越 |
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你看你這個交通號誌啊定到好像我們在討論中文啊我們現在在上國文科一樣那法官認為說啊他四分之三的車輛還在原車道他只有兩個輪子稍微壓到這樣不算跨越所以判決啦這個原處問裁測啦 不能改變啦這跟你們的認知又不一樣來 照說 |
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潮滑線要怎麼處理 到底輪子能不能壓到我來舉個例子 我們來再探討一下 為什麼要設潮滑線根據我們的交通號誌設計的規則說我們希望要有潮滑線 就是希望引導車輛遵循 行駛在正確的地方 正確的方向 |
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來 我們來看日本 我給你舉一個例子日本的潮汗線 它叫導流帶日本的車子一般是可以行駛在潮汗線上面除非明定禁止像我給你看那三個小圖的中間 綠路禁止你不可以進去 而且它潮汗線它用黃線給它標起來 |
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這樣這種的潮汗縣車輛不可以進入否則其他的潮汗縣是導流帶那我們台灣因為我們的號誌 |
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沒有很一定的標準啦所以地方政府劃的有些路況又不一樣像台南仁德那個為什麼一天可以撿去打整個他那個潮汗縣那麼寬那麼肥你有沒有看到那潮汗縣尾巴範圍那麼廣泛開車一不小心就會壓到 |
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那剛好有位我們熱心的檢舉達人一天在那裡檢舉一百多個搞到上了新聞 |
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市長跟委員報告我想剛剛以這個案例來講台南太子路這部分剛剛也提到桃花卸是為引導車輛往正確的方向走那這個部分我想我們再請我們的那個路安司再跟地方政府再協調一下他這個畫的範圍是不是可以再稍微做一點修正因為確實這樣看起來這邊還是很大不一定要畫到 |
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不一定要畫到那個範圍畫那麼廣 也許這可以有我們早上再討論一下重點就是說 那你所謂的跨越的定義啦這個我希望我們交通部要跟警政單位你們大家要協調好了剛剛人頭那個案子一天一百多件是搞到民怨到後來市政府下令警方暫停開罰 |
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實際上大多數都不用罰如果按照法院的判例你所謂的跨越你大概基本上到底要多少車身進去才算跨越我這個你要跟警方單位大家做一個討論要不然一直檢舉檢舉 交通委員會當然可以檢舉但是這個檢舉也是要有一定的界限 |
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否則你造成很多民眾不滿嘛一個輪子壓到你也開罰一罰就九百塊耶 對不對那你一天就罰一百多個 哇這見過又沒戲啊 |
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這是跟委員報告這部分跨越潮汗縣所謂的跨越的標準我們再找那個地方還有檢討單位我們再做一個檢討還有潮汗縣我們是不是也考量有些地方確實不能開上去但有些地方你可以作為一個導流帶像日本日本的潮汗縣他就有分 |
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除非他很明定 規定你車輛不能開進去你像隔鎖公路的潮發線就不能進去還是說有設立禁止進入的那個標誌那你地上用顏色可以區分啊否則潮發線只是提醒用路人開車的 通常是開車 騎車的人你每次洪湧 車道有一些變寬變窄有一些你要注意的用意不是在處罰他啦你也用CC啦 那個車輛怎麼過就不行 |
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好不好你除非是很危險像高速公路像會影響其他車輛譬如說左右兩側車道會有可能你如果開下去會造成危險要不然應該像日本一樣把它定定為一種像導流帶的這種概念你只是希望車輛要注意要用一個正確的方向開基本上通常都車道寬窄會有變化的地方那個 |
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有必要搞到民怨沸騰我們定這樣只是目的在行車安全不在於處罰所以你不要讓民眾誤被一不小心被罰這個通常就會民眾當然就會不服氣好不好好謝謝市長謝謝委員謝謝主席好謝謝居天召委 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:47:46+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:47:47+08:00 |
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感謝主席，請交通部伍次長。 |
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主席 |
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2026-06-18T09:47:47+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-18T09:47:48+08:00 |
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請伍次長。 |
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伍次長勝園 |
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2026-06-18T09:47:48+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-18T09:47:49+08:00 |
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委員好。 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:47:48.554000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:48:24.213000+08:00 |
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次長，我今天跟你討論交通標線的問題，這個其實跟民眾息息相關，你們交通部管的除了大建設以外，最重要的民生議題就是民眾每一天都會遇到的行的問題，對交通部而言，有關行的事情，不管行人也好，車輛也好，其實都是大事。 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:48:25.213000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:48:34.197000+08:00 |
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你看這一個新聞，我們臺南仁德的太子路有劃設槽化線，結果一天檢舉一百多件。 |
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0.818 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:48:35.958000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:48:43.023000+08:00 |
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我才知道槽化線連壓過去都不行，次長，你看得到槽化線？ |
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0.739 |
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伍次長勝園 |
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2026-06-18T09:48:43.023000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-18T09:48:45.145000+08:00 |
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有，看得到。 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:48:45.145000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:48:51.769000+08:00 |
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我這個照片前面是網狀線，後面那個斜線就是槽化線。對。 |
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0.913 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:48:51.969000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:48:58.154000+08:00 |
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槽化線竟然連一個輪子壓過去都不行，它的定義是不是這樣？ |
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0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:49:00.370000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:49:00.710000+08:00 |
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你知不知道？ |
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0.8 |
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伍次長勝園 |
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2026-06-18T09:49:01.771000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:49:05.814000+08:00 |
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我的理解也是這樣子，你剛剛講的槽化線，主要就是車輛不能經過這個地方。 |
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0.581 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:49:06.774000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:49:19.664000+08:00 |
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這個地方一天有一百多件檢舉，只要輪子壓上去，他都檢舉你，警察就馬上開單，槽化線對車輛是完全禁止，連壓到都不行嗎？ |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:49:21.718000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:49:24.500000+08:00 |
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現在警方是這樣處理喔？ |
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0.9 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:49:25.361000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:49:37.769000+08:00 |
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我舉一個案子當例子，我們的交通號誌的標線有規定，依道路交通標誌標線號誌設置規則的規定，槽化線是禁止跨越。 |
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0.646 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
伍次長勝園 |
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2026-06-18T09:49:38.110000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:49:38.850000+08:00 |
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對，禁止跨越。 |
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0.8 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:49:42.072000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:49:43.994000+08:00 |
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那跨越是什麼？ |
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0.833 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:49:44.614000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:49:45.435000+08:00 |
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什麼動作叫跨越？ |
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0.714 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:49:46.809000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:49:53.094000+08:00 |
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四個輪子都輾過了叫跨越，如果只有一個輪子擦邊壓過去算跨越嗎？ |
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0.786 |
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伍次長勝園 |
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2026-06-18T09:49:54.204000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:49:57.026000+08:00 |
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壓到線應該就算跨越。 |
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1 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:49:58.347000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:49:58.347000+08:00 |
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好，次長這麼講。 |
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0.667 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:50:00.188000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:50:17.579000+08:00 |
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如果處理壓線的狀況，像你講的，一個輪子壓到了槽化線就開單，他開單是按照道路交通管理處罰條例，他開的都是用這一條、第六十條第二項第三款的「不遵守道路交通標誌、標線、號誌……」，這一條最廣泛，開單都是用這一條，你知道嘛！嗯。 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:50:17.579000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-18T09:50:19.739000+08:00 |
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好，那旁邊是……司長。 |
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0 |
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伍次長勝園 |
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2026-06-18T09:50:19.739000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-18T09:50:21.899000+08:00 |
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是路安司司長。 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:50:21.899000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:50:28.705000+08:00 |
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司長，我再給你們看，後來有民眾不服，既然是跨越，應該是車輛都壓過去才叫跨越嘛！ |
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林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:50:29.205000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:50:32.168000+08:00 |
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你們現在都照這樣罰，一個輪子壓到都不行。 |
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0.944 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:50:45.059000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:50:57.302000+08:00 |
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我舉一個案例，這是花蓮的法院判的，花蓮地方法院在2016年，有一個行政訴訟，民眾不服，他說槽化線上，我只有一個輪子壓過去而已，結果就給我開單。 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:50:57.302000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:50:58.762000+08:00 |
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後來法院怎麼判斷？ |
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1 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:50:58.762000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:51:18.051000+08:00 |
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你看法官的意見，法官說雖然這臺車，車輛左側都有壓到槽化線，但是他車輛有四分之三都留在原車道，所以沒有……如果你要達到，什麼叫跨越？ |
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0.912 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:51:19.151000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:51:23.113000+08:00 |
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你看你這樣的交通號誌，訂到好像我們在討論中文哪！ |
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0.818 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:51:24.074000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:51:26.275000+08:00 |
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好像我們現在在上國文課一樣。 |
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0.769 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:51:26.435000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:51:38.882000+08:00 |
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法官認為，他四分之三的車輛還在原車道，他只有兩個輪子稍微壓到，這樣不算跨越，所以判決原處分裁撤，不能罰他，跟你們的認知又不一樣。 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:51:38.882000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:51:48.763000+08:00 |
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照理說槽化線要怎麼處理，到底輪子能不能壓到？ |
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0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:51:49.684000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:51:56.490000+08:00 |
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我來舉個例子，我們再探討一下，為什麼要設槽化線？ |
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0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:51:56.490000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:52:09.382000+08:00 |
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根據我們交通號誌的設置規則，為什麼要劃槽化線，是希望引導車輛遵循，就是行駛在正確的地方、正確的方向。 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:52:12.334000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:52:42.166000+08:00 |
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我們來看日本，我給你舉一個例子，日本的槽化線叫做「導流帶」，日本的車子一般是可以行駛在槽化線上面，除非明定禁止，像我給你看那3個小圖中間的「立入禁止」部分，說你不可以進去，而且槽化線他還用黃線標起來，就這種槽化線，車輛不可以進入，否則其他的槽化線是導流帶。 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:52:42.327000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:53:10.815000+08:00 |
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而臺灣因為我們的號誌沒有很一定的標準，所以地方政府劃的，有些路況又不一樣，像臺南仁德那個為什麼一天可以檢舉一百多個，因為槽化線那麼寬、那麼肥，你有沒有看到？嗯。 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:53:11.255000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:53:34.639000+08:00 |
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那個槽化線劃到範圍那麼廣泛，開車一不小心就會壓到，剛好有一位熱心的檢舉達人，在那邊一天就檢舉一百多個，搞到上了新聞。次長。 |
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伍次長勝園 |
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2026-06-18T09:53:34.639000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:54:05.253000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，我想以這個案例來講，臺南太子路這部分，剛才也提到槽化線是為了引導車輛往正確的方向走，這個部分我們請路安司再跟地方政府協調一下，他這個劃的範圍是不是可以再稍微做一點修正，因為確實看起來這邊還是很大，不一定要劃到……範圍劃那麼廣，也許可以有空間，我們找他們再討論一下。 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:54:05.834000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:54:15.037000+08:00 |
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另外一個重點，你所謂跨越的定義，這個我希望交通部跟警政單位，你們大家要協調好。 |
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0.886 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:54:17.799000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:54:23.921000+08:00 |
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剛剛仁德那個案子一天一百多件是搞到有民怨，後來市政府下令警方暫停開罰。 |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:54:26.463000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:54:36.709000+08:00 |
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實際上大多數都不用罰，如果按照法院的判例，你所謂的跨越，基本上到底要多少車身進去才算跨越？ |
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1 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:54:37.729000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:54:57.268000+08:00 |
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這個你要跟警方單位大家做一個討論，不然一直檢舉、檢舉，交通違規當然可以檢舉，但是檢舉也要有一定的界限，否則你造成很多民眾不滿，一個輪子壓到你也開罰，一罰就900塊耶！ |
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0.972 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:54:57.408000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:54:57.448000+08:00 |
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對不對？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
林委員俊憲 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-06-18T09:54:57.448000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:54:58.250000+08:00 |
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那你一天就罰一百多個，政府會被罵死！ |
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0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:54:58.250000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-18T09:55:07.566000+08:00 |
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好不好？ |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
伍次長勝園 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-06-18T09:55:07.566000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-06-18T09:55:11.668000+08:00 |
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好，跟委員報告，這個部分，跨越槽化線，所謂跨越的標準…… |
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0.773 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:55:11.668000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-18T09:55:12.668000+08:00 |
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定義，對。 |
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0 |
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伍次長勝園 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-06-18T09:55:12.248000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:55:17.791000+08:00 |
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我們再找地方還有警政單位，我們再來做一個檢討，看怎麼樣做…… |
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0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:55:17.791000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:55:42.277000+08:00 |
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還有就槽化線我們是不是也考量，有些地方確實不能開上去，但有些地方你可以作為一個導流帶，像日本的槽化線就有區分，除非明定車輛不能開進去，像高速公路的槽化線就不能進去，或者有設立禁止進入的標誌，地上你用顏色可以區分。 |
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0.847 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
林委員俊憲 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-06-18T09:55:44.038000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:56:00.606000+08:00 |
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否則槽化線只是提醒用路人，通常是開車、騎車的人，大概方向上、車道有一些變寬變窄要注意，用意不是在處罰他，你不要規定得很死，一個輪子壓過去就不行，好不好？ |
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0.716 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
伍次長勝園 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-06-18T09:56:00.606000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-18T09:56:01.606000+08:00 |
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好，我們會…… |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:56:01.126000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:56:34.827000+08:00 |
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除非是很危險，像高速公路、像會影響其他車輛的，比如左右兩側車道如果開進去會造成危險，不然應該像日本一樣，把它訂定為是一種像導流帶的這種概念，你只是希望車輛要注意、往一個正確的方向開，基本上通常都是車道寬窄會有變化的地方，有必要搞到民怨沸騰嗎？ |
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0.928 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
伍次長勝園 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-06-18T09:56:34.827000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-18T09:56:35.827000+08:00 |
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好，這個我們積極來研議。 |
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0.2 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
林委員俊憲 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-06-18T09:56:35.668000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:56:47.758000+08:00 |
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我們訂這樣的目的只是在於行車安全，不在於處罰，所以你不要讓民眾誤被……就是一不小心被罰，民眾當然就會不服氣。 |
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0.812 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:56:47.758000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:56:49.239000+08:00 |
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好不好？好。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
林委員俊憲 |
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2026-06-18T09:56:49.520000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:56:49.620000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝次長。 |
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0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
伍次長勝園 |
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2026-06-18T09:56:49.620000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:56:49.660000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝委員。 |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
林委員俊憲 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-06-18T09:56:49.660000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:56:49.800000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-06-18T09:56:50.120000+08:00 |
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2026-06-18T09:56:50.480000+08:00 |
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謝謝俊憲召委、謝謝次長跟司長。 |
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0.308 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-06-18T09:56:50.980000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-18T09:56:54.122857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
接下來請徐富癸委員發言。 |
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林委員俊憲：（9時47分）感謝主席，請交通部伍次長。 |
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主席：請伍次長。 |
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伍次長勝園：委員好。 |
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林委員俊憲：次長，我今天跟你討論交通標線的問題，這個其實跟民眾息息相關，你們交通部管的除了大建設以外，最重要的民生議題就是民眾每一天都會遇到的行的問題，對交通部而言，有關行的事情，不管行人也好，車輛也好，其實都是大事。你看這一個新聞，我們臺南仁德的太子路有劃設槽化線，結果一天檢舉一百多件。我才知道槽化線連壓過去都不行，次長，你看得到槽化線？ |
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伍次長勝園：有，看得到。 |
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林委員俊憲：我這個照片前面是網狀線，後面那個斜線就是槽化線。 |
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伍次長勝園：對。 |
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林委員俊憲：槽化線竟然連一個輪子壓過去都不行，它的定義是不是這樣？你知不知道？ |
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伍次長勝園：我的理解也是這樣子，你剛剛講的槽化線，主要就是車輛不能經過這個地方。 |
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林委員俊憲：這個地方一天有一百多件檢舉，只要輪子壓上去，他都檢舉你，警察就馬上開單，槽化線對車輛是完全禁止，連壓到都不行嗎？現在警方是這樣處理喔？我舉一個案子當例子，我們的交通號誌的標線有規定，依道路交通標誌標線號誌設置規則的規定，槽化線是禁止跨越。 |
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伍次長勝園：對，禁止跨越。 |
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林委員俊憲：那跨越是什麼？什麼動作叫跨越？四個輪子都輾過了叫跨越，如果只有一個輪子擦邊壓過去算跨越嗎？ |
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伍次長勝園：壓到線應該就算跨越。 |
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林委員俊憲：好，次長這麼講。如果處理壓線的狀況，像你講的，一個輪子壓到了槽化線就開單，他開單是按照道路交通管理處罰條例，他開的都是用這一條、第六十條第二項第三款的「不遵守道路交通標誌、標線、號誌……」，這一條最廣泛，開單都是用這一條，你知道嘛！ |
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伍次長勝園：嗯。 |
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林委員俊憲：好，那旁邊是…… |
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伍次長勝園：司長。是路安司司長。 |
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林委員俊憲：司長，我再給你們看，後來有民眾不服，既然是跨越，應該是車輛都壓過去才叫跨越嘛！你們現在都照這樣罰，一個輪子壓到都不行。我舉一個案例，這是花蓮的法院判的，花蓮地方法院在2016年，有一個行政訴訟，民眾不服，他說槽化線上，我只有一個輪子壓過去而已，結果就給我開單。後來法院怎麼判斷？你看法官的意見，法官說雖然這臺車，車輛左側都有壓到槽化線，但是他車輛有四分之三都留在原車道，所以沒有……如果你要達到，什麼叫跨越？你看你這樣的交通號誌，訂到好像我們在討論中文哪！好像我們現在在上國文課一樣。法官認為，他四分之三的車輛還在原車道，他只有兩個輪子稍微壓到，這樣不算跨越，所以判決原處分裁撤，不能罰他，跟你們的認知又不一樣。 |
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照理說槽化線要怎麼處理，到底輪子能不能壓到？我來舉個例子，我們再探討一下，為什麼要設槽化線？根據我們交通號誌的設置規則，為什麼要劃槽化線，是希望引導車輛遵循，就是行駛在正確的地方、正確的方向。我們來看日本，我給你舉一個例子，日本的槽化線叫做「導流帶」，日本的車子一般是可以行駛在槽化線上面，除非明定禁止，像我給你看那3個小圖中間的「立入禁止」部分，說你不可以進去，而且槽化線他還用黃線標起來，就這種槽化線，車輛不可以進入，否則其他的槽化線是導流帶。而臺灣因為我們的號誌沒有很一定的標準，所以地方政府劃的，有些路況又不一樣，像臺南仁德那個為什麼一天可以檢舉一百多個，因為槽化線那麼寬、那麼肥，你有沒有看到？ |
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伍次長勝園：嗯。 |
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林委員俊憲：那個槽化線劃到範圍那麼廣泛，開車一不小心就會壓到，剛好有一位熱心的檢舉達人，在那邊一天就檢舉一百多個，搞到上了新聞。次長。 |
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伍次長勝園：跟委員報告，我想以這個案例來講，臺南太子路這部分，剛才也提到槽化線是為了引導車輛往正確的方向走，這個部分我們請路安司再跟地方政府協調一下，他這個劃的範圍是不是可以再稍微做一點修正，因為確實看起來這邊還是很大，不一定要劃到……範圍劃那麼廣，也許可以有空間，我們找他們再討論一下。 |
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林委員俊憲：另外一個重點，你所謂跨越的定義，這個我希望交通部跟警政單位，你們大家要協調好。剛剛仁德那個案子一天一百多件是搞到有民怨，後來市政府下令警方暫停開罰。實際上大多數都不用罰，如果按照法院的判例，你所謂的跨越，基本上到底要多少車身進去才算跨越？這個你要跟警方單位大家做一個討論，不然一直檢舉、檢舉，交通違規當然可以檢舉，但是檢舉也要有一定的界限，否則你造成很多民眾不滿，一個輪子壓到你也開罰，一罰就900塊耶！對不對？那你一天就罰一百多個，政府會被罵死！好不好？ |
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伍次長勝園：好，跟委員報告，這個部分，跨越槽化線，所謂跨越的標準…… |
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林委員俊憲：定義，對。 |
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伍次長勝園：我們再找地方還有警政單位，我們再來做一個檢討，看怎麼樣做…… |
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林委員俊憲：還有就槽化線我們是不是也考量，有些地方確實不能開上去，但有些地方你可以作為一個導流帶，像日本的槽化線就有區分，除非明定車輛不能開進去，像高速公路的槽化線就不能進去，或者有設立禁止進入的標誌，地上你用顏色可以區分。否則槽化線只是提醒用路人，通常是開車、騎車的人，大概方向上、車道有一些變寬變窄要注意，用意不是在處罰他，你不要規定得很死，一個輪子壓過去就不行，好不好？ |
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伍次長勝園：好，我們會…… |
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林委員俊憲：除非是很危險，像高速公路、像會影響其他車輛的，比如左右兩側車道如果開進去會造成危險，不然應該像日本一樣，把它訂定為是一種像導流帶的這種概念，你只是希望車輛要注意、往一個正確的方向開，基本上通常都是車道寬窄會有變化的地方，有必要搞到民怨沸騰嗎？ |
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伍次長勝園：好，這個我們積極來研議。 |
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林委員俊憲：我們訂這樣的目的只是在於行車安全，不在於處罰，所以你不要讓民眾誤被……就是一不小心被罰，民眾當然就會不服氣。好不好？ |
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伍次長勝園：好。 |
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林委員俊憲：好，謝謝次長。 |
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伍次長勝園：好，謝謝委員。 |
| gazette.blocks[33][0] |
林委員俊憲：謝謝主席。 |
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主席：謝謝俊憲召委、謝謝次長跟司長。 |
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接下來請徐富癸委員發言。 |
| gazette.agenda.page_end |
514 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-5-23-19 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
黃健豪 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
李昆澤 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
洪孟楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
陳雪生 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
林俊憲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
徐富癸 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
許智傑 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
魯明哲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
邱若華 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
萬美玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
蔡易餘 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
陳清龍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
何欣純 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
陳素月 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
游顥 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
傅崐萁 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
477 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2026-06-18 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1155303 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1155303_00003 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金─鐵
道發展基金分預算；二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主
管交通作業基金─臺鐵局撥入資產及債務管理基金分預算（詢答） |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1155303_00002 |