| IVOD_ID |
169843 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169843 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-22-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-04T12:36:08+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-04T12:58:44+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:22:36 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1e7ee030b58e6bfeee53f39c3de36dc325640d68b749ae8e704f71fce9d4a756c8e9d6e5b85468935ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅廷瑋 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:36:08 - 12:58:44 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、運動部部長李洋列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關運動部及所屬單位預算案。
三、審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款運動部主管部分預算案。
四、審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關運動發展基金附屬單位預算案。
五、審查115年度行政法人國家運動訓練中心預算案。
六、審查115年度行政法人國家運動科學中心預算案。
七、審查114年度及115年度行政法人國家運動產業發展中心預算案。【僅進行詢答；預算提案請於6月11日中午12時前提出】
八、審查
(一)委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具「電子競技運動發展基本法草案」案。
(二) 委員葛如鈞等18人擬具「電子競技運動發展基本法草案」案。
九、審查
(一) 委員柯志恩等18人擬具「國民體育法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
(二) 委員洪孟楷等18人擬具「國民體育法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
(三) 委員葉元之等19人擬具「國民體育法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
(四) 委員羅廷瑋等16人擬具「國民體育法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
(五) 委員萬美玲等16人擬具「國民體育法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
(六) 委員廖偉翔等16人擬具「國民體育法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
(七) 委員陳菁徽等16人擬具「國民體育法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
(八) 台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「國民體育法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
【第八（二）案及第九(八)案，如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書，則不予審查】
【進行詢答及逐條審查】） |
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好 謝謝主席 有請部長有請李部長 |
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委員您好部長您好今天一開始呢我想還是要先回應一下這幾天許多的委員跟部會提出的兩個說法啦那當然我覺得大家都非常尊重但是我覺得有人說電子禁忌的不能用基本法 |
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第二有人說如果只有電子競技拉出來做基本法對其他的運動不公平我認為這兩個說法呢都必須先講清楚否則後續在討論的時候很容易被錯誤的前提給帶偏了首先針對能不能用基本法這件事情呢我想我認為講的更精確一點基本法重點是在一個跨領域跨部會 |
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既有的法治分散的政策領域中先確立了國家整個政策的方向主管機關的一個責任不會分工的原則定期檢討的機制以及政府應該投入的一個政策工具所以今天有機會討論這個電競基本法是因為電競本身具有不同傳統運動 |
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特殊性牽涉的不只是競技訓練以及包括教育訓練文化培育的數位科技直通安全這個在我的提案說明我也有特別提到現行的法規只能夠各管一段卻難有有效的整合 |
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所以国家要不要给电竞一次的机会更清楚的一个政策定位要不要建立稳定的一个跨部会的协调机制要不要补上现行法制没有处理到的一个制度缺口这才是我们今天想讨论基本法的一个真正重点第二电竞有基本法对其他的运动不公平 |
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這也不是反對電競基本法的一個理由我要很直接的講電競不會凌駕其他的運動如果棒球需要基本法我們應該要支持也應該要請運動部趕快研擬當然羽球籃球足球各個基層的體育運動我們都應該重視如果他們也有制度的缺口我們就應該支持政府把它補起來真正的公平不是因為別人還沒有 |
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所以電競就不能有真正的公平是我們看到了不同項目的特殊問題共同來研擬一些適合的制度去解決不能把其他的運動拿來當擋箭牌 |
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變成電競什麼都不做這種邏輯我認為現在來說不公平而是一起卡住一起原地踏步政府不能夠把這個運動怎麼辦電競什麼都不能辦的藉口更何況電競不是單純把一個運動項目拉出來特別照顧他是把本身就具有傳統運動的運動的法制 |
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完全處理的一個特殊性牽涉到遊戲授權版本更新跨國領域的一個原廠數位平台資安客資整個軟硬體的供應鏈賽事轉播來做一個整合我想這不是一句眾多運動項目之一就可以帶過的問題那當然回到正題 |
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部長我想很直接的講今天運動部針對這個基本法的草案的一個書面報告我認為是令人失望的甚至可以說它不是一個主管機關應該提出的一個政策評估報告它更是向為自己來卸責替現狀辯護的反對意見書荒謬在哪裡運動部是主管機關 |
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他的發展機關結果面對要推動一個新興運動健全產業的一個制度保障選手的基本法竟然第一時間站在反對的一個角度這就好比勞動部面對勞工保障法卻不護勞工這樣子的一個完全違背部會核心的一個任務運動部才剛升格 |
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社會的期待是希望您能夠帶領台灣運動改革的領航員而不是遇到了這個新興運動新型態的產業新世代的競技就退回舊框架面對基本法 |
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今天最吊詭的是我們看到執政黨拿著行政權掌握政策支援的運動部面對電競運動發展並不是提出更前瞻的一個制度設計也不是幫產業打開全面的道路而是第一時間說不用立法 |
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既有的法規已經足夠尚難任有特殊性所以我想詢問一下部長您說不用立法您說既有的法規已經足夠所以您認為現在靠既有的法規我們這麼多年了現在的電競有成長嗎現在的電競您認為 |
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剛委員您報告那首先非常感謝您對於電競的這個重視那我個人對於電競也非常非常的重視那我想這一點上面在我上任以來其實在編列明年的預算其實我們在電競這個議題上面我們確實有編列了相關的預算那我想在 |
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運動部應該是支持所有運動的發展那就如同剛剛委員您提到的我們確實不應該我認為我個人不認為說不應該單獨列一個運動項目作為一個基本法因為我認為當然現行的法規當然有精進的必要性我認為這確實是我們可以去精進的但是如果單獨就一個項目電子競技運動項目來去做一個基本法的話那就如同您剛剛所說的那我們 |
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除了我們特定體育團體有44個那非特定體育團體有34個那光68個這個項目來講如果每一個都列基本法那或者是列一個專法我想 |
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呃當然我們可以部長不好意思打斷您我很知道你的基本的立場因為書面報告都有提到那剛剛我也有稍微都講過了那我想各個運動我們都希望歡迎補上制度但是我想就針對問題來跟你詢問因為你有提到書面報告說不用立法那現行的法令已經足夠那您認為在現況來說這些現行的法令讓我們的電競有支持到嗎 |
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現在的電競有因此更蓬勃嗎?您認為現在電競幾分?可以回答我嗎?跟委員您報告那當然現行的電競就如同您剛剛有提到在2012年這個TPA奪冠的時候當時我也有看到這個奪冠非常開心那我想現行的法規上面確實沒辦法很好的讓電子競技發展得更加完善但如果單獨列一個 |
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電子競技基本法也不是我們運動部所樂見的那我想我們真的支持所有運動該發展的我們肯定會來去發展好沒關係那因為剛剛你已經回答到了就是說你認為現行的法令並沒有辦法完整的支持電競所以我們可以看到現在的制度是有缺口的 |
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所以立法委員希望能夠補上這個漏洞當然行政權有自己的意見我們一定要尊重可是我看到的是不是告訴我現行法令已經足夠而是我希望你拿出一套方法告訴我委員你的方法沒有我的好我的更好 |
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可是你的書面報告是告訴我說現行法令就足夠不需要再立法單單否決掉了我們那你沒有提出辦法啊今天這個問題沒有解決啊 |
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所以你懂我的意思嗎那可是我沒有看到辦法那再來私底下你們有透過一些窗口來跟我討論你們希望可能會另外演你單純的一個電競辦法不是立法可能專章也好 辦法也好我認為成績不夠那我也沒有看到有拿出版本給我 |
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所以我們才會希望能夠趕緊來亡羊補牢啊所以電競相關的從業人員就我所知道6月5號也有提出相關的一些會議討論有一些老師都非常關心也有傳出一些資料給我讓我知道我們都非常非常的樂見其成可是我自己也連續辦了三場 |
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宮廷會我的宮廷會有邀請過你還記得嗎記得當時因為你有說因為可能流感說腸病毒腸病毒那生病沒辦法出席所以我也非常積極在辦理這些宮廷會對吧跟委員報告是對所以我想今天我希望的是你拿出一份報告你告訴我我有新的方法我有更好的辦法我要來趕緊把這個事情處理掉 |
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那你不用担心我觉得这样子我们是非常非常乐观其中可是今天我没有我另一个感想是运动部对于新兴数位产业的认知严重不足任何机关要推动政策首要的逻辑是核心定位跟权责划分必须要先厘清但你们的报告第一页在背景说明写着运动部成立后已将电子竞技视为运动产业的核心组成部分然而在第二页实质回应我的提案 |
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卻又改口主張電子競技署眾多運動項目之一尚難任由另立基本法的特殊性跟必要性部長在現行行政邏輯完全自我矛盾如果它既是你對外宣示現代運動產業的核心組成部分為什麼在法治層面上卻仍然被你說成是毫無特殊性的單一運動項目 |
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所以運動部對電競的戰略定位到底是什麼核心的產業還是普通的項目是未來戰略還是它的邊緣業務連主管機關的定位它的如果顯現出前後不一產業界要如何相信整個政府能夠整合資源每次台灣選手頂著巨大壓力在世界舞台奪冠讓台灣響徹雲霄在國際舞台 |
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合照享受台灣之光的政治紅利講白話一點我們的政府永遠都是政治收割最快制度的保障卻沒有跟上台灣是全球以引以為傲的硬體科技強國 |
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全世界最强的电竞笔电晶片散热设备显示卡高达八成在台湾科技的供应链制造每年为台湾赚到了是几千亿的产值我们手握最好的科技王牌在国际赛事也有世界冠军的这个相关实力可是为什么面对国家的电竞产业的战略却停滞不前 |
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我們現行的體制電競產業的從業人員就是面臨最荒謬的困境我舉例來說之前就已經有人宣布戰隊的老闆他不再經營還有戰隊老闆說賽事主辦方要整合軟硬體整合創新嘗試的時候在台灣辦國際大賽這是真實案例業界早上運動部運動部大概率會說這是遊戲比賽 |
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要歸速發部去了速發部速發部會說我們不補助啊賽事這是體育競賽全責歸運動部想申請文創投融資經濟部跟文化部又各自有規章 |
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這樣的政策零散缺乏了整個核心分工的行政黑洞每天就在消耗這個產業的特性最後就是把上百億的數位產值跟商業的觀光雙手奉上給國際面對這個產業的內耗運動部現在告訴我們國民體育法 |
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運動產業法人條例既有的框架就很夠用可是剛剛您又回應我現在既有的法令有些漏洞並沒有辦法完整的支持現在的電競那更不要談賽車等其他冷門的項目啊所以為什麼我說現行的法規管不到 |
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部長您是羽球的奧運金牌你最清楚傳統運動的本質運動比賽的規則可能會調整計分方式可能會改器材的規格可能會修正但不管怎麼改羽球還是羽球球場還是球場球拍還是球拍這項運動的基本樣貌不會因某一家公司的更新版本停止營運 |
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就突然從世界上消失但是電競不一樣電競完全不是在一個固定不變的物理場地上去做一個競技它是整個遊戲公司的開發營運數位以及環境來做競技換句話說 |
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電競的選手比賽的場地使用的角色相關的規則很多時候掌握在遊戲原廠身上所以電競最大的特殊性就是它的變動非常快原廠只要花錢更新角色強弱地圖設計可能因為一次更新就全部要重新適應選手過去幾千小時的運動訓練的打法因為一次更新就要重新調整所以 |
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今天傳統運動不會因為某家公司倒閉明天就全世界不能打羽球可是電競項目因為可能某個原廠他停止營運停止授權停止更新就可能退出了整個國際的賽事我們從職業舞台看到從人穿亞運 |
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以及我們杭州亞運到2026年名古屋的亞運電競項目一直在更替喔這代表電競是高度依賴數位的一個內容商業的授權版本的更新跟國際賽事的新型態競爭所以部長面對這種高度變動的數位競技運動部我認為AI基本法 |
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到現在我們現在在談的電子競技的基本法草案我認為真的不是單一的國民體育法跟運動產業發展條例就足夠所以剛剛你也提到現在的法令還沒有辦法完整的支持 |
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那您也都承認了那請問一下 你有沒有一個真正的辦法來補這個漏洞 來真正落實剛剛我聽到了 你說你要編列一些預算來支持但漏洞呢 法制呢 制度呢這個部分您回應一下好嗎 |
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跟委員您報告那當然在法規命令的時候我們確實這部分是不是會後會請相關單位提供目前針對電競相關法制化或行政措施的這個向委員您報告呢因為其實我已經等好幾天了啦那因為因為它是一個辦法的話當然需要一點時間我尊重嘛 |
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但是我其實在這個您來拜會我的時候我有提到我對電競的重視其實那個時候我就希望說能夠得到趕緊看到運動部能夠亡羊補牢但是我現在看到我們就回到今天在講的嘛你說國民體育法可以處理選手的訓練請問他管得到遊戲授權嗎 |
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運動產業發展條例可以處理運動產業的輔導請問他管得到遊戲版本更新國際賽事的汰換還有跨國原廠的合作嗎所以報告裡面也說嘛電競涉及的資通安全管理法個人資料保護法那就代表你們也知道電競他已經不是單純體育運動 |
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他是跨部會跨越數位資安各自文化複合型的議題我單單就運動部他沒有辦法透過 |
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只是辦法專章來跨部會處理所以今天才要有一個基本法來讓你們有一個政策的工具該讓你們能夠跨部會來處理這件事情所以你一邊承認它涉及跨部會的法制一邊又說不需要基本法如果沒有基本法來明文界定各部會的權責分工 |
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那運動部要用什麼樣的法律基礎去要求速發部文化部教育部來跨部會的協力這樣的跨部會協調如果沒有法定任務明確分工我們怎麼樣定期檢討所以最後就是會議開一開公文發一發電競產業的問題原地打轉啊這件事情已經多久了我們一直在講產業也在說整個電競已經是安寧病房了 |
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1053.1 |
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我們到現在都希望有一個強心針能夠趕緊來處理你的報告第7頁的結語106年已經把電子競技納入運動產業發展條例因此建議優先活化並落實既有的法制機制部長106年把電競納入運動產業是政府承認電競的起點不是終點承認存在不代表政策完成 |
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就是因為已經承認了到現在沒有看到任何的作為所以我們的選手不斷的被挖角我們的產業看到一堆人退出不願意經營所以才走到今天這個地步立法委員想要來介入啊想要來幫助啊想要來立法啊當然我也尊重有其他的委員提出了要再辦理公聽會 |
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我也必須要跟廣大的國人報告我辦了三次當然不是在教文裡面我們希望在立法的過程能夠更加的完善OK我尊重但是我希望行政部會應該要一起來更積極的把這個政策來完整化的時候而不是只告訴我現在足夠了更穩定的賽事跟產業的環境就仰賴 |
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行政部门一起来支持所以今天推动电子竞技运动发展基本法不是要推翻原本的法治也不是要跟运动产业发展条例去打架而是希望针对电竞和传统运动不同的地方补上现行制度没有处理好的部分基本法 |
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不是管道細節而已啊而是把國家政策方向主管機關跨部會的分工人才培育產業發展賽事推動選手保障國際交流的大方向定下來這就是基本法所以我也要問部長運動部在補助賽事跟培訓計畫的時候有沒有真正盤點電競選手的特殊處境 |
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電競選手他的黃金期更短許多人年輕就進入高壓競技長時間訓練帶來的手腕肩頸眼睛還有睡眠跟心理的壓力都需要專業支持傳統運動員需要的運動科學醫療防護以及心理諮商退役輔導電競選手可能也一樣需要 |
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他們面對的是更年輕化更高壓更高速的汰換所以運動部真的把電競視為現在運動產業的核心項目就不能夠只在現在看到選手奪冠的時候才來關心政策面也應該一起來選手要的不是一時的掌聲而是長期訓練環境職業的保障健康支持 |
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部長您是運動選手出身也應該最知道一個運動項目走得長走得遠不可能只靠選手來燃燒自己政府要做的是掌聲過後把不足的政策制度補上 |
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條文怎麼修部會的分工怎麼寫都希望能夠在後續詢答公聽會我們繼續來討論但希望運動部不要一直站在否定或者是覺得現在的狀況就好這樣子的一個狀況我希望下一次排詢答的時候運動部不要只是重複今天消極的書面報告應該要有具體的回答幾件事情第一 |
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運動部到底如何定位電競第二現行的法規到底解決了哪些問題哪些問題沒有被解決應該要列出來跨部會的選擇要怎麼整合第四選手站隊賽事產業的國際交流相關的缺口怎麼補足 |
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如果能夠把這些問題一一的列舉出來一一的告訴我們怎麼解決才能夠告訴委員們原來你們有在做原來我們可以放心但如果這些都沒有今天我們都很擔憂電競會持續躺在那邊躺在安寧病房這部分我希望下一次可以具體的得到回應可以嗎跟委員您報告那當然 |
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我想現行剛剛您提到的這一個比賽的補助其實在六都的部分其實我們是有進行補助的那我也想要先行回應那有我知道你一定有補助我知道對那但是我是說不只補助嘛我說當然我們當然希望說就就對我當然知道委員我我跟您都非常重視電競我想這部分我們肯定 |
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如果未來有法制化現有法制化不足的部分我們確實可以再來跟委員您探討是否用行政命令或行政措施的部分來加以補充或讓它更加完善我希望你的行政命令有辦法跨部會去要求啦那也希望你把我剛剛所提到的那具體的事項列出來回應我讓我看一下好嗎我們會盡量來協助好謝謝謝謝委員 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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謝謝主席，有請部長。 |
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主席 |
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有請李部長。 |
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李部長洋 |
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委員您好。 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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部長你好。 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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今天一開始我還是要先回應一下這幾天許多委員跟部會提出的兩個說法，當然，我覺得大家都非常尊重，但是有人說電子競技不能用基本法；第二，有人說如果只有電子競技拉出來做基本法，對其他的運動不公平，我認為這兩個說法都必須先講清楚，否則後續在討論的時候，很容易被錯誤的前提給帶偏了。 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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首先，針對能不能用基本法這件事情，我認為講得更精確一點，基本法的重點是跨領域、跨部會在既有的法制、分散的政策領域中，先確立國家整個政策的方向、主管機關的責任、部會分工的原則、定期檢討的機制，以及政府應該投入的政策工具。 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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所以今天有機會討論電競基本法，是因為電競本身具有不同於傳統運動的特殊性，牽涉的不只是競技訓練，包括教育訓練、文化培育的數位科技、資通安全，這個在我的提案說明裡面也有特別提到，現行的法規只能夠各管一段，卻難以有效整合。 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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所以國家要不要給電競一次機會，有更清楚的政策定位？ |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:37:45.605000+08:00 |
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要不要建立穩定的跨部會協調機制？ |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:37:46.105000+08:00 |
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要不要補上現行法制沒有處理到的制度缺口？ |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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這才是我們今天想討論基本法的真正重點。 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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第二，電競有基本法對其他的運動不公平，這也不是反對電競基本法的理由，我要很直接地講，電競不會凌駕其他的運動，如果棒球需要基本法，我們應該要支持，也應該要請運動部趕快研擬，當然，羽球、籃球、足球等各項體育運動，我們都應該重視，如果他們也有制度缺口，我們就應該支持政府把它補起來，真正的公平不是因為別人還沒有，所以電競就不能有，真正的公平是我們看到了不同項目的特殊問題，共同來研擬適合的制度去解決，不能把其他的運動拿來當擋箭牌，變成電競什麼都不做的這種邏輯，我認為並不公平，這樣只會一起卡住、一起原地踏步，政府不能夠把運動怎麼辦、電競什麼都不能辦拿來當藉口。 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:38:56.508000+08:00 |
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更何況電競不是單純把一個運動項目拉出來特別照顧，它是把本身就有的傳統運動的法制、完全處理的特殊性，牽涉到遊戲授權、版本更新、跨國領域的原廠、數位平臺、資安個資、整個軟硬體的供應鏈、賽事轉播來做整合，我想這不是一句「眾多運動項目之一」就可以帶過的問題。 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:39:23.569000+08:00 |
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回到正題，部長，很直接的講，今天運動部針對這個基本法草案的書面報告，我認為是令人失望的，甚至可以說它不是一個主管機關應該提出的政策評估報告，它更像為自己卸責，替現狀辯護的反對意見書，荒謬在哪裡？ |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:40:26.175000+08:00 |
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運動部是主管機關，是它的發展機關，結果面對要推動一個新興運動、健全產業制度、保障選手的基本法，竟然第一時間站在反對的角度，這就好比勞動部面對勞工保障法卻不護勞工，完全違背部會的核心任務，運動部才剛升格，社會的期待是希望您是能夠帶領臺灣運動改革的領航員，而不是遇到新興運動、新型態的產業、新世代的競技，就退回舊框架。 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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面對基本法，今天最弔詭的是，我們看到執政黨拿著行政權、掌握政策資源的運動部，面對電競運動發展，並不是提出更前瞻的制度設計，也不是幫產業打開全面的道路，而是第一時間說不用立法，既有的法規已經足夠，尚難認有特殊性。 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:40:56.237000+08:00 |
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我想詢問一下部長，您說不用立法，您說既有的法規已經足夠，所以您認為靠既有的法規，這麼多年了，現在的電競有成長嗎？ |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:41:13.468000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:41:14.188000+08:00 |
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現在的電競您認為幾分？ |
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李部長洋 |
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2026-06-04T12:41:18.168000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，首先非常感謝您對於電競的重視，我個人對於電競也非常非常重視，這點在我上任以來，在編列明年的預算時，我們在電競這個議題上面也有編列了相關預算。 |
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李部長洋 |
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2026-06-04T12:41:58.209000+08:00 |
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運動部應該是支持所有運動的發展，就如同剛剛委員您提到的，我個人認為不應該單獨列一個運動項目作為基本法，現行的法規當然有精進的必要性，這確實是我們可以去精進的。 |
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李部長洋 |
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2026-06-04T12:41:58.349000+08:00 |
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但是如果單獨就電子競技運動項目去做一個基本法的話，我們的特定體育團體有44個、非特定體育團體有34個，這78個項目來講，如果每一個都列基本法或者是列專法，當然我們可以…… |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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部長，不好意思打斷您，我很知道你基本的立場，因為書面報告都有提到，剛剛我也稍微講過了。 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:42:49.462000+08:00 |
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我想各個運動，我們都歡迎補上制度，但是我想針對問題來跟你詢問，因為你有提到、書面報告說不用立法，現行的法令已經足夠，您認為以現況來說，這些現行的法令有讓我們的電競被支持到嗎？ |
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0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:42:51.404000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:42:54.086000+08:00 |
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電競有因此更蓬勃嗎？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:42:54.086000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:42:56.729000+08:00 |
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您認為現在的電競是幾分，可以回答我嗎？ |
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0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
李部長洋 |
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2026-06-04T12:42:56.729000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:43:05.937000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，現行的電競就如同您剛剛提到，在2012年TPA奪冠的時候，當時我也有看到奪冠，非常開心。 |
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李部長洋 |
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2026-06-04T12:43:06.577000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:43:24.949000+08:00 |
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我想現行的法規確實沒辦法很好的讓電子競技發展得更加完善，但如果單獨列一個電子競技基本法，也不是我們運動部所樂見的，我們真的支持，所有運動該發展的，我們肯定會去發展。 |
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| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:43:25.269000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:44:00.145000+08:00 |
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好，沒關係，剛剛你已經回答到了，你認為現行的法令並沒有辦法完整的支持電競，我們可以看到現在的制度是有缺口的，所以立法委員希望能夠補上這個漏洞，當然行政權有自己的意見，我們一定要尊重，可是你們應該並不只是告訴我現行法令已經足夠，我希望你拿出一套方法告訴我：委員，你的方法沒有我的好，我的更好。 |
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0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:44:01.171000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:44:07.213000+08:00 |
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可是你的書面報告是告訴我：現行法令就足夠，不需要再立法。 |
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| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:44:08.674000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:44:17.698000+08:00 |
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單單否決掉我們而沒有提出辦法，今天這個問題沒有解決，你懂我的意思嗎？ |
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0.968 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:44:18.238000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:44:19.018000+08:00 |
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我沒有看到辦法啊！ |
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0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:44:19.698000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:44:44.461000+08:00 |
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再來，私底下你們有透過一些窗口來跟我討論，希望另外研擬單純的一個電競辦法，不是立法，可能專章也好、辦法也好，但是我認為層級不夠，也沒有看到有拿出版本給我，所以我們才會希望能夠趕緊亡羊補牢。 |
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0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:44:45.322000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:45:02.336000+08:00 |
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就我所知，電競相關從業人員在6月5日也有提出相關的會議討論，有一些老師都非常關心，也有傳一些資料給我，讓我知道，我們都非常非常樂見其成。 |
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0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:45:03.677000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:45:10.140000+08:00 |
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我自己也連續辦了3場公聽會，公聽會也有邀請過你，還記得嗎？記得。 |
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0.815 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:45:11.660000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:45:13.821000+08:00 |
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當時你說因為流感…… |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
李部長洋 |
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2026-06-04T12:45:14.401000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:45:14.581000+08:00 |
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腸病毒。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:45:14.961000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:45:17.022000+08:00 |
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腸病毒，因為生病沒辦法出席。 |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:45:17.482000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:45:20.323000+08:00 |
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所以我也非常積極在辦理這些公聽會，對吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
李部長洋 |
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2026-06-04T12:45:21.463000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:45:22.163000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，是。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
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羅委員廷瑋：對，所以今天我希望的是你拿出一份報告，告訴我 |
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2026-06-04T12:45:27.204000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:45:34.368000+08:00 |
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我有新的方法，我有更好的辦法，我要趕緊把這個事情處理掉，你不用擔心！ |
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0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋：對，所以今天我希望的是你拿出一份報告，告訴我 |
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2026-06-04T12:45:35.049000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:45:38.831000+08:00 |
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我覺得這樣子的話，我們是非常非常樂觀其成，可是今天沒有。 |
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0.6 |
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羅委員廷瑋：對，所以今天我希望的是你拿出一份報告，告訴我 |
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2026-06-04T12:45:39.392000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:46:10.824000+08:00 |
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我另一個感想是運動部對於新興數位產業的認知嚴重不足，任何機關要推動政策，首要邏輯是核心定位跟權責劃分必須要先釐清，但你們的報告第1頁在背景說明寫著「隨著『運動部』成立，已將電子競技視為現代運動產業之核心組成部分」，然而在第2頁實質回應我的提案時卻又改口主張「電子競技屬眾多運動項目之一……尚難認有另立基本法之特殊性及必要性」。 |
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0.633 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋：對，所以今天我希望的是你拿出一份報告，告訴我 |
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2026-06-04T12:46:11.184000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:46:26.733000+08:00 |
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部長，你們的現行行政邏輯完全是自我矛盾，如果它是你對外宣示現代運動產業的核心組成部分，為什麼在法制層面上，卻仍然被你說成是毫無特殊性的單一運動項目？ |
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0.928 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋：對，所以今天我希望的是你拿出一份報告，告訴我 |
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2026-06-04T12:46:28.234000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:46:31.717000+08:00 |
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所以運動部對電競的戰略定位到底是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋：對，所以今天我希望的是你拿出一份報告，告訴我 |
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2026-06-04T12:46:31.717000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:46:34.019000+08:00 |
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是核心的產業還是普通的項目？ |
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0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋：對，所以今天我希望的是你拿出一份報告，告訴我 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-06-04T12:46:34.219000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:46:38.303000+08:00 |
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是未來戰略還是邊緣業務？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋：對，所以今天我希望的是你拿出一份報告，告訴我 |
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2026-06-04T12:46:38.303000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:46:44.969000+08:00 |
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連主管機關對於其定位都顯現出前後不一，產業界要如何相信整個政府能夠整合資源。 |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋：對，所以今天我希望的是你拿出一份報告，告訴我 |
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2026-06-04T12:46:45.790000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:47:02.086000+08:00 |
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每次臺灣選手頂著巨大壓力在世界舞臺奪冠，讓臺灣在國際舞臺響徹雲霄，合照享受臺灣之光的政治紅利，講白話一點，我們的政府永遠都是政治收割最快，制度的保障卻沒有跟上。 |
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0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋：對，所以今天我希望的是你拿出一份報告，告訴我 |
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2026-06-04T12:47:02.967000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:47:34.180000+08:00 |
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臺灣是全球引以為傲的硬體科技強國，全世界最強的電競筆電、晶片、散熱設備、顯示卡，高達八成在臺灣科技供應鏈製造，每年為臺灣賺到幾千億的產值，我們手握最好的科技王牌，在國際賽事也有世界冠軍的實力，可是為什麼國家電競產業的戰略卻停滯不前？ |
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0.66 |
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羅委員廷瑋：對，所以今天我希望的是你拿出一份報告，告訴我 |
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2026-06-04T12:47:34.280000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:47:52.326000+08:00 |
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在現行體制下，我們的電競產業從業人員面臨最荒謬的困境，我舉例來說，之前就已經有人宣布戰隊的老闆不再經營，還有戰隊老闆說賽事主辦方要整合軟硬體、整合創新，嘗試在臺灣辦國際大賽，這是真實案例。 |
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0.849 |
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羅委員廷瑋：對，所以今天我希望的是你拿出一份報告，告訴我 |
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2026-06-04T12:47:53.206000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:48:14.919000+08:00 |
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業界找上運動部，運動部大概率會說這是遊戲比賽，要歸數發部；去了數發部，數發部會說我們不補助賽事，這是體育競賽，權責歸運動部；想申請文創投融資，經濟部跟文化部又各自有規章。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.934 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋：對，所以今天我希望的是你拿出一份報告，告訴我 |
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2026-06-04T12:48:16.155000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:48:29.685000+08:00 |
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這樣的政策零散且缺乏核心，分工的行政黑洞每天都在消耗這個產業的特性，最後就是把上百億的數位產值跟商業觀光雙手奉上給國際。 |
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0.965 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋：對，所以今天我希望的是你拿出一份報告，告訴我 |
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2026-06-04T12:48:29.685000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:48:54.868000+08:00 |
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面對這個產業的內耗，運動部現在告訴我們，國民體育法、運動產業發展條例，既有的框架就很夠用，可是剛剛您又回應我既有的法令有些漏洞，並沒有辦法完整的支持現在的電競，更不要談賽車等其他冷門的項目。 |
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0.977 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋：對，所以今天我希望的是你拿出一份報告，告訴我 |
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2026-06-04T12:48:56.188000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:48:58.569000+08:00 |
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所以為什麼我說現行的法規管不到？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋：對，所以今天我希望的是你拿出一份報告，告訴我 |
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2026-06-04T12:48:59.909000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:49:27.351000+08:00 |
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部長，您是羽球的奧運金牌，你最清楚傳統運動的本質，運動比賽的規則可能會調整、計分方式可能會改、器材的規格可能會修正，但不管怎麼改，羽球還是羽球，球場還是球場，球拍還是球拍，這項運動的基本樣貌不會因某一家公司的更新版本、停止營運就突然從世界消失。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
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羅委員廷瑋：對，所以今天我希望的是你拿出一份報告，告訴我 |
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2026-06-04T12:49:27.772000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:49:48.795000+08:00 |
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但是電競不一樣，電競完全不是在一個固定不變的物理場地上進行競技，它是以整個遊戲公司的開發、營運、數位以及環境來進行競技，換句話說，電競的選手、比賽的場地、使用的角色、相關的規則，很多時候是掌握在遊戲原廠身上。 |
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羅委員廷瑋：對，所以今天我希望的是你拿出一份報告，告訴我 |
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2026-06-04T12:49:50.056000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:50:06.109000+08:00 |
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電競最大的特殊性就是它的變動非常快，原廠只要花錢更新，角色強弱、地圖設計可能因為一次更新就全部要重新適應，選手過去幾千個小時運動訓練的打法，因為一次更新就要重新調整。 |
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羅委員廷瑋：對，所以今天我希望的是你拿出一份報告，告訴我 |
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2026-06-04T12:50:07.910000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:50:22.666000+08:00 |
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今天傳統運動不會因為某家公司倒閉，明天全世界就不能打羽球，可是電競項目可能因為某個原廠停止營運、停止授權、停止更新，就退出整個國際賽事。 |
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羅委員廷瑋：對，所以今天我希望的是你拿出一份報告，告訴我 |
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2026-06-04T12:50:24.087000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:50:44.931000+08:00 |
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我們從職業舞臺看到，從仁川亞運以及杭州亞運，到2026年的名古屋亞運，電競項目一直在更替，這代表電競是高度依賴數位內容、商業授權、版本更新及國際賽事的新型態競爭。 |
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羅委員廷瑋：對，所以今天我希望的是你拿出一份報告，告訴我 |
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2026-06-04T12:50:45.011000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:51:21.319000+08:00 |
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部長，面對這種高度變動的數位競技，從AI基本法到在現在談的電子競技運動發展基本法草案，我認為真的不是國民體育法跟運動產業發展條例就足夠了，所以剛剛你也提到現在的法令還沒有辦法完整支持，您也都承認了，請問你有沒有一個真正的辦法來補這個漏洞、來真正落實？ |
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羅委員廷瑋：對，所以今天我希望的是你拿出一份報告，告訴我 |
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2026-06-04T12:51:21.319000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:51:28.804000+08:00 |
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剛剛我聽到你說要編列一些預算來支持，但漏洞、法制、制度呢？ |
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羅委員廷瑋：對，所以今天我希望的是你拿出一份報告，告訴我 |
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2026-06-04T12:51:29.324000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:51:30.345000+08:00 |
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這個部分您回應一下好嗎？ |
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1 |
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李部長洋 |
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2026-06-04T12:51:31.065000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:51:43.916000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，在法規命令的部分，是不是會後請相關單位提供目前針對電競相關法制化或行政措施的部分向委員您報告呢？ |
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0.961 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:51:45.517000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:51:46.899000+08:00 |
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其實我已經等好幾天了啦！ |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:51:47.539000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:51:48.460000+08:00 |
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因為我有…… |
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李部長洋 |
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2026-06-04T12:51:48.460000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:51:51.222000+08:00 |
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因為它是一個辦法的話，行政…… |
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0.833 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:51:51.222000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:51:52.864000+08:00 |
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當然需要一點時間，我尊重嘛！ |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:51:53.524000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:52:01.310000+08:00 |
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但是其實在您來拜會我的時候，我有提到我對電競的重視……對。 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:52:01.310000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:52:06.835000+08:00 |
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其實那個時候我就希望趕緊看到運動部能夠亡羊補牢。 |
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| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:52:10.018000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:52:16.003000+08:00 |
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我們就回到今天在講的，你說國民體育法可以處理選手的訓練，請問它管得到遊戲授權嗎？ |
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0.973 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:52:18.204000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:52:27.551000+08:00 |
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運動產業發展條例可以處理運動產業的輔導，請問它管得到遊戲版本更新、國際賽事汰換還有跨國原廠的合作嗎？ |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:52:28.111000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:53:01.271000+08:00 |
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報告裡面也說電競涉及資通安全管理法、個人資料保護法，那就代表你們也知道電競已經不是單純的體育運動，它是跨部會、跨越數位資安、個資、文化的複合型議題，單單就運動部，沒有辦法只透過辦法、專章來跨部會處理，所以今天才要有一個基本法，讓你們有一個政策的工具，讓你們能夠跨部會來處理這件事情。 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:53:02.892000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:53:18.900000+08:00 |
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你一邊承認它涉及跨部會的法制，一邊又說不需要基本法，如果沒有基本法來明文界定各部會的權責分工，那運動部要用什麼樣的法律基礎去要求數發部、文化部、教育部來跨部會協力？ |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:53:19.941000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:53:24.783000+08:00 |
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這樣的跨部會協調，如果沒有法定任務明確分工，要怎麼樣定期檢討？ |
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0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:53:24.783000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:53:31.145000+08:00 |
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所以最後就是會議開一開、公文發一發，而電競產業的問題還是原地打轉。 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:53:31.785000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:53:44.561000+08:00 |
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這件事情已經多久了，我們一直在講，產業也在說整個電競已經是安寧病房，我們到現在都希望有一個強心針，能夠趕緊來處理。 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:53:46.022000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:53:54.845000+08:00 |
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你的報告第8頁結論，106年已經把電子競技納入運動產業發展條例，因此建議優先活化並落實既有的法制機制。 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:53:55.265000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:54:02.788000+08:00 |
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部長，106年把電競納入運動產業是政府承認電競的起點，不是終點耶！ |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:54:02.788000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:54:04.929000+08:00 |
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承認存在不代5表政策完成耶！ |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:54:06.209000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:54:18.821000+08:00 |
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就是因為已經承認了，到現在沒有看到任何的作為，所以我們的選手不斷地被挖角，我們的產業看到一堆人退出，不願意經營，才走到今天這個地步。 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:54:19.341000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:54:52.343000+08:00 |
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立法委員想要介入、想要幫助、想要立法，當然我也尊重，有其他的委員提出要再辦理公聽會，我也必須要跟廣大的國人報告，我辦了3次，當然不是在教文委員會裡面，我們希望立法的過程能夠更加完善，OK，我尊重，但是我希望行政部會應該要一起更積極地把這個政策完整化，而不是只告訴我現在足夠了。 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:54:53.703000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:55:14.761000+08:00 |
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更穩定的賽事跟產業的環境就仰賴行政部門一起來支持，所以今天推動電子競技運動發展基本法，不是要推翻原本的法制，也不是要跟運動產業發展條例去打架，而是希望在電競和傳統運動不同的地方補上現行制度沒有處理好的部分。 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:55:15.702000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:55:30.582000+08:00 |
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基本法不是管到細節而已，而是把國家政策方向、主管機關、跨部會的分工、人才培育、產業發展、賽事推動、選手保障、國際交流的大方向定下來，這就是基本法。 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:55:31.723000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:55:37.549000+08:00 |
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所以我也要問部長，運動部在補助賽事跟制定培訓計畫的時候有沒有真正盤點電競選手的特殊處境？ |
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0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:55:41.108000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:56:02.765000+08:00 |
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電競選手的黃金期更短，許多人年輕就進入高壓競技，長時間訓練所帶來的手腕、肩頸、眼睛還有睡眠跟心理的壓力都需要專業的支持，傳統運動員需要的運動科學、醫療防護以及心理諮商、退役輔導，電競選手可能也一樣需要啊！ |
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| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:56:03.345000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:56:20.612000+08:00 |
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他們面對的是更年輕化、更高壓、更高速的汰換，所以如果運動部真的把電競視為現在運動產業的核心項目，就不能夠只在看到選手奪冠的時候才來關心，政策面也應該一起來。 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:56:20.612000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:56:26.154000+08:00 |
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選手要的不是一時的掌聲，而是長期訓練的環境、職業的保障及健康的支持。 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:56:26.934000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:56:41.772000+08:00 |
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部長，您是運動選手出身，也應該最知道一個運動項目要走得長、走得遠，不可能只靠選手燃燒自己，政府要做的是在掌聲過後把不足的政策制度補上。 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:56:42.933000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:56:57.600000+08:00 |
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條文怎麼修、部會的分工怎麼寫，這些都希望能夠在後續的詢答、公聽會繼續討論，也希望運動部不要一直站在否定或者是覺得維持現在的狀況就好。 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2026-06-04T12:56:58.601000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T12:57:27.974000+08:00 |
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針對這樣的狀況，希望下一次排詢答的時候，運動部不要只是重複如今天一樣消極的書面報告，應該要具體地回答幾件事情：第一，運動部到底要如何定位電競；第二，現行的法規到底解決了哪些問題、哪些問題沒有被解決，應該要列出來；第三，跨部會的權責要怎麼整合；第四，選手、戰隊、賽事、產業的國際交流等相關缺口要怎麼補足。 |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.896 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-06-04T12:57:29.721000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-06-04T12:57:40.504000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
如果能夠把這些問題一一列舉出來，一一告訴我們怎麼解決，才能夠告訴委員們，原來你們有在做，原來我們可以放心。 |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-06-04T12:57:41.024000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-06-04T12:57:52.587000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
但如果這些都沒有，今天我們都很擔憂電競會持續躺在那邊、躺在安寧病房，這部分我希望下一次可以具體地得到回應，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0.981 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
李部長洋 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-06-04T12:57:52.587000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-06-04T12:58:02.634000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，針對剛剛您提到比賽的補助，其實在六都我們是有進行補助的，我也想要先行回應。 |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.949 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-06-04T12:58:03.374000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-06-04T12:58:04.675000+08:00 |
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我知道你一定有補助，我知道。 |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
李部長洋 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-06-04T12:58:05.776000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-06-04T12:58:05.776000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
對，當然…… |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-06-04T12:58:05.876000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-06-04T12:58:09.659000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
但我是說不只補助，我說還有對選手的支持。 |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0.611 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
李部長洋 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-06-04T12:58:11.040000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-06-04T12:58:26.431000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
我跟您都非常重視電競，我想這部分我們肯定……未來對於現有法制不足的部分，我們確實可以再來跟委員探討是否用行政命令或行政措施來加以補充或讓它更加完善。 |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-06-04T12:58:27.392000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-06-04T12:58:36.538000+08:00 |
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希望你的行政命令有辦法跨部會去要求，也希望你把我剛剛所提到的具體事項列出來回應我，讓我看一下，好嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
李部長洋 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-06-04T12:58:36.538000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-06-04T12:58:38.879000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
我們會儘量協助。 |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-06-04T12:58:40.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-06-04T12:58:40.360000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
李部長洋 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-06-04T12:58:40.360000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-06-04T12:58:40.380000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-06-04T12:58:40.880000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-06-04T12:58:45.451429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
謝謝羅廷瑋委員的質詢，請李部長回座。 |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
主席（羅委員廷瑋） |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-06-04T12:58:45.751429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-06-04T12:58:48.608571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
下一位有請吳思瑤委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0 |