| IVOD_ID |
169831 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169831 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-04T10:40:51+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-04T10:51:51+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1e7ee030b58e6bfe408120a4261331698ee7e0de9923b3dc87431bb39d7cfed2dbb0adfc082709ee5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳清龍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:40:51 - 10:51:51 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：邀請交通部部長、交通部鐵道局局長及台灣高速鐵路股份有限公司董事長就「5月25日高鐵班次嚴重誤點事件」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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好 謝謝教委 謝謝主席那我請我們交通部長還有我們的高鐵的董事長是董事長委員好好 部長好 |
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那部長我記得你在今年年初3月份的時候有參加台鐵改制為公司化的一個週年慶也表揚我們台鐵的這個優秀的員工 |
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那你在當場也跟台鐵做出一個承諾說要做台鐵人最堅強的後盾要向行政院爭取七大員工的福利請問部長這個承諾算數嗎 還在嗎 |
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我們要做台鐵人的後盾這個承諾當然會一直都在這個沒有問題好那我不曉得你的七大員工福利我沒辦法去細數但是我在這邊就跟我們的部長 |
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台鐵董事長剛好也上來了來我們有一個售票獎金我們有一個售票獎金這是對我們台鐵員工的一個小的福利小的福利那跟部長我一個數據讓你來看一下我們 |
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過去一直有的就是有售票獎金喔那我從110年啊掉到114年我們的獎金預算喔年年有編列喔就是我們的這個獎金吶內含售票獎金但是我告訴你喔看得到吃得到啦我們這環港喔是看得到吃得到廣東話叫做見得到吃不到 |
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我跟部長講 連續五年喔 從111年到114年所有的員工 能夠領到這一筆獎金的通通視聽 通通掛單那我請問部長 這樣的獎勵制度這樣的獎勵辦法 你覺得不需要錢好嗎 |
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要不要 你要做台鐵人的後盾啊有這樣離譜的一個獎勵 辦法沒有預算 員工領不到 連續五年掛壓戰 結果辦法還是不改 |
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像委員報告 辦法該不該改我覺得台鐵公司可以去討論這個部分應該要啟動討論然後再來跟委員報告為什麼會有這樣子的狀況過去有這樣子的獎金是因為我們大部分都是人工售票現在已經變成電子售票跟機器售票 |
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如果我們的售票獎金不合時宜那你要改發其他演繹其他的獎金來獎勵員工啊而不是等一算辦法在那裡然後一直在那裡所以已經跟過去的人工售票不一樣所以你台鐵改制公司或是我們在建議的這個非常好我們應該要來討論一下說這個機制已經很像不符合現在的時代那看要怎麼樣去改變這個部分我們來檢討 |
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這個部長可能對台鐵也要多加要求那今天我為什麼沒有苛責台鐵雖然工會一直在成型希望對他們福利好一點因為 |
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525那天我剛好坐台鐵而且台鐵又剛好那麼準時跟過去的台鐵給大眾的印象完全不一樣所以部長跟我們許多委員同仁通通在高鐵 |
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塞住我剛好坐台鐵所以我今天沒有苛責台鐵感謝委員支持我們這個北中直達車我們這個直達車在對風源的鄉親來講效益非常大台鐵這個部分我要指責肯定那我們就回到我們的高鐵的一個狀況高鐵的一個狀況來我們下一頁我想 |
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整個事件發生我們都是不期待會發生但是真的狀況來了我們對旅客 |
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已經到站的旅客還有當天一起準備要搭高鐵的旅客我們怎麼去公告怎麼去把這個訊息能夠在第一時間最快的速度全面的讓南北兩地各地的有要搭乘高鐵的乘客來了解這個部分 |
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董事長在這裡請問你 你覺得做得好嗎是 跟委員報告我想確實大家對於沒有辦法把資訊通知到每一個旅客不管是上車 還沒有上車而讓旅客知道事實上可能延誤了時間的這個部分我想高鐵覺得很抱歉所以這個部分我覺得 |
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技術的部分我們都被專業交給技術去處理但是這個讓旅客提早知道我們高鐵的狀況讓準備要煞車還有預計要煞車當天可以做他自己的應變處置的部分你要最快的速度讓旅客知道這一點我看你你當天的旅客留言你就知道了嘛 |
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你根本就覺得被騙啊你騙我上車我反而被困在車子裡面我沒辦法去做我其他的一個應變的一個的處理嘛對不對所以這個部分我覺得在未來 |
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如果真的又有狀況我們當然不希望但是這樣的一個通知跟公告是我們要做最優先的一個事情我們會把應變機制以及資訊通知再做進一步的報導好 那下一位我想請教那個 |
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當天總市長一直看不到你身影我剛剛聽到我們的整個處置措施我們總經理都還要跟你回報你當天有在應變中心嗎應變中心就在總公司就在我辦公室旁邊我在總公司你在總公司我剛剛聽到王一川委員你說你是在群組裡面而已你當天都在辦公室是確定嗎確定那你為什麼不出面 |
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我們依照公司的規章應變中心的召集人是總經理那你知道你的部長卡在車上嗎知道那你讓部長代替你發言 |
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你身為董事長都不發言報告委員我沒有代替董事長發言我是剛好下車的時候下車以總統部長的審論受訪嘛媒體在堵麥所以我當然會我了解因為史喆是你是你的資深的前輩啊你也不敢苛責他啦史喆董事長不講話你也不敢有意見這個我了解啦我想我們各級政府各單位在應變的當下都是由單位來發言啦而不是由首長來發言那你為什麼不發言 |
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我們在應變的當下都是由機關單位的發言人發言我們正式發言就是在清晨五點鐘清晨五點鐘正式決定正式營運之後我藉由我的名義來正式說明成因後果及意義這個部分我就跟你這樣來一個要求另外 |
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我最後要要求的這個事件影響了整個台灣的整個南北旅客的一個運輸跟安全當然事件的原因有我們高鐵在調查那在這個部分我要建議 |
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運安會運安會今天沒有來嘛運安會應該要進入調查應該要進入調查不能只有事故有安全的一個狀況發生才調查我覺得光有我們高鐵本身自己的調查我們要取得我們高鐵 |
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對一個公共的一個信任度我建議 普長我建議由運安會也來參與來作為公正的第三方來跟我們針對高鐵這次的事件來做一個完整的調查那也重建我們高鐵的一個信任 好不好 |
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感謝委員的建議這個部分我們會請鐵道局聯繫運安會看這個條件有沒有符合運安會啟動調查的條件那在這裡我額外再一個建議這一次的一個危機的處理必須要台鐵來幫忙嘛台鐵緊急來安排停靠新烏日站對不對我在這裡也建議交通部建議鐵道局建議我們台鐵新烏日站 |
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的一個提升啦真正建議我們台鐵跟高鐵的串聯啦我想這次交通部應該可以去做一個規劃如果今天的新烏日站能夠提升啦它等於會變成常態的常態的包括我們自成號 內車 普悠瑪 內車跟高鐵的一個 |
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這個快速的一個運輸的連結我想如果真的以後碰到有這樣的交通啊的一個運輸要互相支援啊新烏日站會成為一個很重要的一個站所以我在這裡建議九龍部長這裡應該要去做一個長遠的考慮為台灣的長途的一個旅客一個運輸做一個通盤的一個這樣的一個規劃 |
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好 謝謝委員 我們確實在朝這個方向在研議沒有錯好 謝謝 |
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陳委員清龍 |
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2026-06-04T10:40:53.726000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T10:41:03.111000+08:00 |
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謝謝召委、謝謝主席，我請交通部長、高鐵董事長。 |
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主席 |
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2026-06-04T10:41:03.231000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T10:41:03.491000+08:00 |
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請陳部長、史董事長。 |
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陳部長世凱 |
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2026-06-04T10:41:03.491000+08:00 |
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委員好。 |
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陳委員清龍 |
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2026-06-04T10:41:03.651000+08:00 |
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部長好。 |
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1 |
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陳委員清龍 |
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2026-06-04T10:41:12.333000+08:00 |
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我記得你在今年年初3月份的時候，有參加臺鐵改制為公司化的週年慶，也表揚我們臺鐵優秀的員工，你當場也跟臺鐵做出一個承諾，說要做臺鐵人最堅強的後盾，要向行政院爭取七大員工福利，請問部長這個承諾算數嗎？ |
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1 |
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陳委員清龍 |
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2026-06-04T10:41:47.510000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T10:41:47.530000+08:00 |
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還在嗎？ |
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1 |
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陳部長世凱 |
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2026-06-04T10:41:54.581000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T10:41:58.546000+08:00 |
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我們要做臺鐵人的後盾，這個承諾當然會一直都在，這個沒有問題。 |
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1 |
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陳委員清龍 |
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2026-06-04T10:41:58.546000+08:00 |
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好，我不曉得你的七大員工福利，我沒辦法去細數，但是我在這邊跟部長……臺鐵總經理剛好也上來了。 |
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0.925 |
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陳委員清龍 |
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我們有一個售票獎金，這是對臺鐵員工的一個小福利，部長，我讓你看一下一個數據，過去一直有的售票獎金，我從110年調到114年，我們的獎金預算年年都有編列，這個獎金內含售票獎金，但是我跟部長說，我們這些員工看得到、吃不到，我跟部長講，連續5年從111年到114年，所有的員工能夠領到這一筆獎金的通通是零，我請問部長這樣的獎勵制度、獎勵辦法，你覺得不需要檢討嗎？ |
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0.878 |
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陳委員清龍 |
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2026-06-04T10:43:32.840000+08:00 |
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要不要？ |
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1 |
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陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-06-04T10:43:33.921000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T10:43:35.583000+08:00 |
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你要做臺鐵人的後盾啊！ |
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1 |
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陳委員清龍 |
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2026-06-04T10:43:36.423000+08:00 |
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這樣離譜的獎勵辦法，編了預算但員工領不到，連續5年掛蛋，結果辦法還是不改，部長你覺得呢？ |
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0.737 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
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2026-06-04T10:43:51.607000+08:00 |
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向委員報告，辦法該不該改，我覺得臺鐵公司可以去討論，這個部分應該要啟動討論，再來跟委員報告，為什麼會有這樣子的狀況？ |
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0.981 |
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陳部長世凱 |
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2026-06-04T10:44:03.036000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T10:44:07.680000+08:00 |
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過去有這樣子的獎金，是因為我們大部分都是人工售票，現在已經變成電子售票跟機器售票。 |
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1 |
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陳委員清龍 |
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2026-06-04T10:44:07.680000+08:00 |
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1 |
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那個過程我了解，你的辦法就要與時俱進嘛！ |
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陳部長世凱 |
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1 |
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是，沒有錯。 |
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陳委員清龍 |
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如果我們的售票獎金不合時宜，你要改發或研議其他的獎金來獎勵員工，而不是編了預算，讓這個辦法一直在那裡。 |
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陳部長世凱 |
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2026-06-04T10:44:28.736000+08:00 |
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這部分因為現在都改成電子跟機器售票，已經跟過去的人工售票不一樣，我們在這個…… |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.371 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-06-04T10:44:28.736000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-06-04T10:44:30.497000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
所以臺鐵改制公司那時候還是…… |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-06-04T10:44:31.058000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-06-04T10:44:40.325000+08:00 |
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委員建議得非常好，我們應該要討論一下，這個機制很像不符合現在的時代，看要怎麼去改變。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-06-04T10:44:40.325000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-06-04T10:44:41.325000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
對啊，要與時俱進，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-06-04T10:44:40.325000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-06-04T10:44:40.725000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
這個部分我們來檢討。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-06-04T10:44:43.108000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-06-04T10:44:46.173000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
好，部長可能對臺鐵也要多加要求。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-06-04T10:44:46.934000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-06-04T10:44:49.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
今天我為什麼沒有苛責臺鐵？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-06-04T10:44:49.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-06-04T10:45:18.581000+08:00 |
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雖然工會一直在陳情，希望對他們福利能好一點，因為525那天我剛好坐臺鐵，而且臺鐵又剛好那麼準時，跟過去的臺鐵給大眾的印象完全不一樣，部長跟我們許多委員同仁統統在高鐵塞住，我剛好坐臺鐵，所以我今天沒有苛責臺鐵。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-06-04T10:45:18.581000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-06-04T10:45:24.564000+08:00 |
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感謝委員支持我們這個北中直達車，這對豐原的鄉親來講，效益非常地高。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-06-04T10:45:24.884000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-06-04T10:45:26.925000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
臺鐵這個部分我要給予肯定。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-06-04T10:45:26.925000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-06-04T10:45:28.506000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-06-04T10:45:28.506000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-06-04T10:46:20.035000+08:00 |
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我們回到高鐵的狀況來討論，我們都不希望這個事件發生，但是真的狀況來的時候，你們對已經到站的旅客，還有當天預期、準備要搭高鐵的旅客，怎麼去公告、怎麼把這個訊息在第一時間，以最快的速度全面地讓各地要搭乘高鐵的乘客了解，董事長在這裡嘛，請問這個部分你覺得做得好嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.831 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
史董事長哲 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-06-04T10:46:20.276000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-06-04T10:46:33.328000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
跟委員報告，對於沒有辦法把資訊通知到旅客，不管是已上車或還沒有上車的，讓他們知道事實上可能會延誤到時間的這個部分，高鐵覺得很抱歉，我們也願意來…… |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.803 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-06-04T10:46:34.149000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-06-04T10:46:59.470000+08:00 |
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對，我覺得技術的部分，他們都非專業，就交給技術人員去處理，但是讓旅客提早知道高鐵的狀況，包括準備要搭車還有預計要搭車的人，當天他才可以做他自己的應變處置，所以你要以最快的速度讓旅客知道。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.791 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-06-04T10:47:00.030000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-06-04T10:47:18.805000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
這一點你看當天的旅客留言就知道了嘛，旅客根本就覺得被騙了，你騙我上車，我反而被困在車子裡面，沒辦法去做其他的應變處理，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.93 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-06-04T10:47:19.365000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-06-04T10:47:33.122000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
這個部分我們當然不希望再次發生，但未來如果真的又有狀況，這樣一個通知跟公告是我們最優先要做的事情。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.717 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
史董事長哲 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-06-04T10:47:33.302000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-06-04T10:47:35.725000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
是，我們會把應變機制以及資訊通知再做進一步的檢討。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-06-04T10:47:37.007000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-06-04T10:47:55.079000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
下一個我想請教，當天一直看不到董事長你的身影，我剛剛聽到你們的整個處置措施，總經理都還要跟你回報嘛，你當天有在應變中心嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
史董事長哲 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-06-04T10:47:55.079000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-06-04T10:47:58.141000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
應變中心就在總公司，就在我辦公室旁邊，我在總公司。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-06-04T10:47:58.281000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-06-04T10:47:58.942000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
你在總公司？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-06-04T10:47:59.082000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-06-04T10:48:06.205000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
我剛剛聽到王義川委員問你，你說你在群組裡面而已，你當天都在辦公室？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.903 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-06-04T10:48:06.966000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-06-04T10:48:07.586000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
確定嗎？確定。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-06-04T10:48:07.666000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-06-04T10:48:08.687000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
那你為什麼不出面？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-06-04T10:48:08.687000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-06-04T10:48:10.688000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
直接跟…… |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
史董事長哲 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-06-04T10:48:10.688000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-06-04T10:48:13.949000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
依照公司的規章，應變中心的召集人是總經理。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-06-04T10:48:14.270000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-06-04T10:48:17.551000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
那你知道你的部長卡在車上嗎？知道。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-06-04T10:48:18.612000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-06-04T10:48:20.133000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
那你讓部長代替你發言？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-06-04T10:48:21.785000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-06-04T10:48:23.706000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
你身為董事長都不發言？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-06-04T10:48:24.187000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-06-04T10:48:27.589000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
報告委員，我沒有代替董事長發言，我是下車的時候剛好有媒體來「堵麥」。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.724 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-06-04T10:48:28.029000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-06-04T10:48:29.870000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
下車時以交通部長的身分受訪嘛，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.529 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-06-04T10:48:30.411000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-06-04T10:48:32.052000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
媒體來「堵麥」，我當然會回答。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-06-04T10:48:32.052000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-06-04T10:48:39.337000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
我了解，因為史哲是你的資深前輩，你也不敢苛責他啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-06-04T10:48:39.877000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-06-04T10:48:43.219000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
史哲董事長不講話，你也不敢有意見，這個我了解啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
史董事長哲 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-06-04T10:48:43.359000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-06-04T10:48:49.463000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
跟委員報告，我想我們各級政府的各單位在應變的當下，都是由單位來發言，而不是由首長來發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-06-04T10:48:49.604000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-06-04T10:48:49.784000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
好，那你為什麼不發言？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
史董事長哲 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-06-04T10:48:52.145000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-06-04T10:48:56.067000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
我們在應變的當下，都是由機關、單位的發言人發言，在行政院部會…… |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-06-04T10:48:56.067000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-06-04T10:48:58.548000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
那你正式發言是哪時候？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
史董事長哲 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-06-04T10:48:58.548000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-06-04T10:49:04.471000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
我們正式發言是在清晨5點鐘。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-06-04T10:49:04.471000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-06-04T10:49:05.471000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
我是說董事長你啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
史董事長哲 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-06-04T10:49:04.471000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-06-04T10:49:10.334000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
清晨5點鐘正式決定、正式營運之後，我即以我的名義來正式說明前因後果及因應…… |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.848 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-06-04T10:49:12.335000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-06-04T10:49:15.757000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
好啦，這個部分我就跟你提這個要求。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-06-04T10:49:16.077000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-06-04T10:50:17.922000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
另外，我最後要求的是，這個事件影響了整個臺灣南北旅客的運輸跟安全，當然事件的原因高鐵在調查，但這個部分我建議運安會應該要介入調查，運安會今天沒有來嘛，不能只有事故、有影響安全的狀況發生才調查，我覺得不能光有高鐵本身的調查，我們要取得高鐵的公共信任度，部長，我建議運安會也來參與，作為公正的第三方，針對高鐵這個事件做一個完整的調查，也重建我們對高鐵的信任，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.891 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-06-04T10:50:17.942000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-06-04T10:50:26.313000+08:00 |
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好，感謝委員的建議，這個部分我們會請鐵道局聯繫運安會，看這個有沒有符合運安會啟動調查的條件。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-06-04T10:50:26.433000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-06-04T10:50:28.175000+08:00 |
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好，在這裡我額外再提一個建議，這一次危機的處理必須要臺鐵來幫忙嘛，臺鐵緊急安排停靠新烏日站，對不對？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-06-04T10:50:28.175000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-06-04T10:51:18.408000+08:00 |
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我在這裡也建議交通部、建議鐵道局、建議臺鐵，新烏日站要提升啦，真正建立臺鐵跟高鐵的串聯，我想這次交通部應該可以去做一個規劃，如果今天新烏日站能夠提升，它等於會變成是常態性的，會建立自強號列車、普悠瑪列車跟高鐵快速運輸的連結。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.902 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-06-04T10:51:18.408000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-06-04T10:51:42.401000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
我想如果以後真的碰到這樣的交通事件，運輸要互相支援，新烏日站會成為一個很重要的站，所以我在這裡也建議交通部長，應該要去做一個長遠的考慮，為臺灣長途的旅客運輸做一個通盤的規劃，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.881 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-06-04T10:51:45.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-06-04T10:51:48.503000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
好，謝謝委員，我們確實朝這個方向在研議沒有錯。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-06-04T10:51:48.503000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-06-04T10:51:48.523000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-06-04T10:51:49.023000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-06-04T10:51:50.165857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-06-04T10:51:50.465857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-06-04T10:51:56.180143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
謝謝陳清龍委員的發言，也謝謝部長，謝謝董事長。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-06-04T10:51:56.480143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-06-04T10:51:59.051571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
我們現在先休息10分鐘。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-06-04T10:51:59.351571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-06-04T10:52:00.494429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
休息（10時51分） |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-06-04T10:52:00.794429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-06-04T10:52:02.508714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
繼續開會（11時2分） |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
主席（邱委員若華代） |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-06-04T10:52:02.808714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-06-04T10:52:04.523000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
我們繼續開會。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
主席（邱委員若華代） |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-06-04T10:52:04.823000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-06-04T10:52:10.823000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
下一位登記質詢的委員黃健豪委員，請黃健豪召委。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0 |