| IVOD_ID |
169783 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169783 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-03T11:29:13+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-03T11:38:40+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:27 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5329b193fad041258f74fddf3c573d6aa8e069b60cc25a5f77c83729728f4ea854de318ebac86ee55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱若華 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:29:13 - 11:38:40 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部單位預算。
二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。
三、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部數位產業署單位預算。
四、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於國家通訊傳播委員會單位預算。
五、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播監督管理基金預算。
六、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管有線廣播電視事業發展基金預算。
【本次會議僅進行詢答；開會事由一至六預算提案截止收件時間：6月10日下午4時】） |
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謝謝主席 請速發部林部長好 請林部長委員早安部長早 同樣電子菸非法電子菸在網路上販售的問題啊那剛剛召委就已經指出了嘛那現在還可以在網路上看到電子菸在販售那是不是代表速發部平台治理破功了呢 |
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你們在平台上你們6月1號的時候就已經有表示嘛速發部會用AI來掃讀還有違法的網站全面來阻擋可是現在網路上還看得到那你們到底是有什麼確實的作為 |
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就是我們用AI的這個方式我們跟衛福部他們合作然後為什麼要用AI的那個處理就是如同我前面市長有講過就是說因為這個販賣這個電子菸他們常常會用一些黑化譬如說用主機帶剛剛張維有說到其實不用就是輸入黑化像你剛才稍早講的糖果還是什麼其他的替代制 |
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電子煙三個字就可以在網路上找到我們現在看到不管是網路商城還是社群平台還是搜尋引擎還有跨境電商的販售那對社會已經造成高風險了那在過去113年乘114年預算的時候就已經有委員提出要說要要求速發部針對搜尋引擎然後對電子煙然後還有非法網站的屏蔽還有這些相關的資訊被搜尋被導流被販售也要求速發部來做管理那速發部這兩年來做了什麼 |
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我們就是盡量把各種漏洞都堵住這個之前我們常常講不管是在打造或是在防堵這個違法產品上面就是我們這個好人跟壞人是不斷地攻防我們不斷地把各種漏洞給堵住但是壞人在把我們舊有的漏洞堵住的時候他一定會去尋找新的漏洞那今天我們就針對電子菸 |
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從113年有委員已經提出 公開委員就已經提出了那針對這樣跨境的電商 還有網路導流的問題 主要的電商平台還有搜尋引擎 你們跟業者開過幾次正式的會議這開過幾次正式會議 我抱歉我沒有這個資料因為不見得是我去開這個會的那沒關係 請知道 |
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謝謝委員的詢詢這個我們總共開過7次會大概有10個部會以上那總共部會有提出58項的需求我們都把這個媒合起來一個一個解決有開過7次會議 |
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從哪一年開始 從2013年吧從2013年 因為我看回去在2024年12月的時候 卓院長就已經有指示要求速發部要研議要運用數位科技還有強化查詢網路販售電子煙的器具那也要求速發部還有跨境機關來做合作源頭阻斷電子煙的流通 並強化 |
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查氣網路還有電子、煙聚的部分那蘇巴部你們查氣了幾間跟委員報告因為一夜市的那個網站其實產生的蠻快但是我們現在有三個層次的管理跟兩個層次的下架三個層次就是要請這個電商一定要源頭管理我現在是問因為卓院長就已經有指示了嘛要從源頭來做查氣並且要預防性的下架所以我今天要問這兩年來你們下架了多少個網站 |
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跟委員報告去年114年的話電子菸是2103件那毒品的話是25249件那今年的話到5月底截止的話是電子菸是4103件那毒品的話是14件網域的部分剛剛已經說有開過7次會那也請說明是跟哪一些平台業者開的會 |
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我們有四大西都西的平台另外我們管理的七個平台還有總共有十個部會還有那個三家的主要電商的一個工協會然後大概十個部會以上是那部長因為現在族群的問題是嚴重那這邊數法部可不可以做一個通報的平台呢 |
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是 我們是希望就是希望利用以前那個我們做那個打詐的那個通報的機制因為那個通報機制是盡量用電子化的方式可以加快我們的速度那這個我們有在跟衛福部你現在打詐是針對詐騙嘛那像是金融相關的然後民眾可以上你們的打詐APP去輸入網址 |
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那接下來只要民眾發現有異常像是關於販售電子菸等相關或是機子還是你說的黑話你們用AI掃描之外那民眾可不可以也把這些網子放在這個打砸APP上面呢這個我覺得這個委員這個建議非常好那我們會往這個方向去研議事實上我們也是希望往這個方向去進行因為這樣的話可以加快整個處理的速度還有能量那你們什麼時候可以研議出來 |
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跟委員補充我們現在就有一個平台請各部會把新的關鍵是upload上來新的關鍵我稍早有聽就是部長老師說是你們都是由衛福部來跟你們告知因為那個Domain Knowledge來看他有時候那些是屬於是電子菸這個其實可能要專業才能夠判斷 |
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即使是電商 他即使每天上架那不容易所以會 像主管機關他就會給我們關鍵字每天UPLOAD上來關鍵字電商就可以如果你們要等主管機關跟你們告訴你們這些關鍵字的話那就太慢了嘛那你剛才也有說網路他不斷的上架你們下架之後又有新的網址出來那現在我是想要問那針對打 像是你們打炸你們有做一個APP那同樣的是不是有看到這樣子販賣電子煙或是煙油的網址是不是同樣也可以做一個平台放上去 |
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還有全民來做通報是 委員這個建議非常好我們往這個方向去發展事實上我們很希望能有這種功能那對我們整體的這種違法商品不單單是延遲什麼時候可以做得出來我們要開發系統我們再提供資料給委員開發系統的時間是多少我想你們速發部做一個系統出來不會很久吧 |
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這個其實系統本身應該還好但是會有一些因為現在前端確實是衛福部還有法務部還有警政署相關機關可是後端目前我們看到毒品的濫用速發部你們責無旁貸因為後端的擴散網路平台治理是在速發部沒有錯吧是 |
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OK 沒問題那我也請部長交辦盡快希望我們可以透過網址來做通報好 謝謝委員的建議針對APP 速發部近期也發布了四個中置的APP那我想要請問這是最新的版本嗎 |
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你說最新的APP嗎還是對這APP是最新的版本嗎應該是最新的版本請那個那個治安署是謝謝委員我想我們就要用這個最新的版本來做驗測 |
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所以我們看到這四個APP其實在台灣有一些他們已經改版了然後包括在中國他們也不是目前也不是使用也不是這個APP的版本所以我想要了解你們這一次就是拿出這四個APP來做資安檢測你們的標準是什麼為什麼只挑這四個APP呢 |
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我們是根據在台灣地區目前民眾使用比較多的這樣的還有一些餘力的這些APP我們在做資深檢測那你們是依照下載的你們是依照下載量還是使用人數還是民眾檢舉還是你們自己認定他有國安的風險所以才只挑這四個APP根本包括使用下載率因為使用民眾到底有多少其實我們沒有得知但是我們是根據下載率下載率等等來做相關的這個挑選 |
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所以他所謂的風險行為是完全是由速發部來判定嗎當然是根據這些相關跟民眾有相關的包括一些各自的外洩隱私權還有包括像高德地圖有相關的這些數位足跡行動的這些地理資訊等等相關的風險來做判斷先請問一個問題如果他今天已經修正風險之後你們還會判定他是一個去告風險的APP嗎 |
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如果已經修正過我們當然可以再做檢測然後再去做一些相關的這個公告那你們的週期是多久目前大概就是幹部長這邊也有指示大概我們兩到我們大概兩到三個月我們都會重新再做檢測 |
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兩到三個月重新檢測那其實現在不管是中置的APP那也有民眾反映喔那其實不管是像是在網路購入平台或者甚至是說Facebook還是Meta那也有很多詐騙行為在上面進行希望我們資安的管理當然非常重要那也希望可以擴大不只是針對中置的APP然後也不是只是發新聞稿告訴民眾這個APP有風險你們有沒有後續的作為 |
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的確就是委員講的不一定是中資APP啦其實其他如果說我們國人常使用的APP如果說它的一些相關的治安風險包括說各支援不當的存取使用的話其實我想我們都會拿來做檢測之後發布給就是我們的民眾去注意到這些風險那希望你們可以提供更完整的名單既然你們有做檢測的話好沒有問題那委員這邊如果對於哪一個APP有什麼疑慮的話也歡迎跟我們說 |
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好 謝謝 |
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謝謝主席，請數發部林部長。 |
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請林部長。 |
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委員早安。 |
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部長早。 |
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同樣，非法電子煙在網路上販售的問題，剛剛召委就已經指出了，現在還可以在網路上看到電子煙在販售，那是不是代表數發部的平台治理破功了呢？ |
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你們6月1日就已經有表示，數發部會用AI掃毒，還有對於違法的網站要全面阻擋，可是現在網路上還看得到，你們到底有什麼確實的作為？ |
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林部長宜敬 |
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就是我們用AI的方式跟衛福部合作，至於為什麼要用AI處理，就如同前面司長有講過的，因為販賣電子煙他們常常會用一些黑話，譬如說用主機…… |
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剛剛召委有說到，其實不用輸入黑話，像你剛才稍早講的糖果還是其他的替代字，用「電子煙」三個字就可以在網路上找到。 |
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我們現在看到不管是網路商城、社群平臺、搜尋引擎，還有跨境電商的販售，對社會已經造成高風險了。 |
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在過去113年審114年預算的時候就已經有委員提出，要求數發部針對搜尋引擎，對電子煙，還有非法網站屏蔽，以及相關資訊被搜尋、被導流、被販售，也要求數發部管理，數發部這兩年來做了什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-06-03T11:30:44.943000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-06-03T11:30:46.043000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
請部長說明。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-06-03T11:30:46.043000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-06-03T11:31:04.818000+08:00 |
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我們就是儘量把各種漏洞都堵住，之前我們常常講，不管是在打詐或者是在防堵違法產品上面，好人跟壞人不斷地攻防，我們不斷地把各種漏洞堵住，但是壞人在我們把舊有的漏洞堵住的時候，他一定會去尋找新的漏洞。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.956 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-06-03T11:31:05.218000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-06-03T11:31:21.124000+08:00 |
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部長沒關係，今天我們就針對電子煙，從113年洪孟楷委員就已經提出了，針對跨境電商，還有網路導流的問題，針對主要的電商平臺、搜尋引擎，你們跟業者開過幾次正式的會議？ |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.843 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-06-03T11:31:21.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-06-03T11:31:25.545000+08:00 |
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開過幾次正式會議，抱歉，我沒有這個資料，因為不見得是我去開這個會的。 |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-06-03T11:31:25.605000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-06-03T11:31:25.725000+08:00 |
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沒關係，請知道的回答。 |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
林署長俊秀 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-06-03T11:31:29.087000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-06-03T11:31:38.080000+08:00 |
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謝謝委員的垂詢，我們總共開過7次會議，大概有10個部會以上，部會總共提出58項需求，我們都把這些媒合起來，一個一個解決。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.898 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-06-03T11:31:38.080000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T11:31:46.870000+08:00 |
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有開過7次會議，從哪一年開始？113年吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-06-03T11:31:48.111000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-06-03T11:32:11.252000+08:00 |
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我看在2024年12月的時候，卓院長就已經有指示，要求數發部研議要運用數位科技，還有強化查緝網路販售電子煙的器具，也要求數發部跟跨境機關合作，源頭阻斷電子煙的流通，並強化查緝網路及電子煙具。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.915 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-06-03T11:32:11.572000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-06-03T11:32:14.734000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
請問數發部查緝了幾件？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
林署長俊秀 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-06-03T11:32:14.734000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-06-03T11:32:25.302000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，一頁式的網站其實產生得蠻快的，但是我們現在有三個層次的管理跟兩個層次的下架，三個層次就是請電商一定要源頭管理…… |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.93 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-06-03T11:32:26.603000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-06-03T11:32:35.250000+08:00 |
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因為卓院長已經有指示要從源頭來查緝，並且要預防性下架，所以我今天要問，這兩年來你們下架了多少個網站？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.978 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
曾司長文方 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-06-03T11:32:38.502000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-06-03T11:32:41.964000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
跟委員報告，去年（114年）電子煙是2,103件，毒品是2萬5,249件；今年到5月底截止，電子煙是4,103件，毒品是14件，這是網域的部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-06-03T11:32:42.124000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-06-03T11:32:43.204000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
剛剛已經說有開過7次會，也請說明是跟哪一些平臺業者開的會。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
林署長俊秀 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-06-03T11:33:01.479000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-06-03T11:33:14.008000+08:00 |
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我們有四大C2C的平臺，另外我們管理的7個平臺，還有3家主要電商的公協會，然後大概10個部會以上。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-06-03T11:33:14.929000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-06-03T11:33:20.353000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
部長，現在毒品的問題日益嚴重，數發部可不可以做一個通報的平臺呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.828 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-06-03T11:33:21.073000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-06-03T11:33:30.479000+08:00 |
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是，我們是希望利用以前我們做打詐的那個通報機制，因為那個通報機制是儘量用電子化的方式，可以加快速度。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.978 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-06-03T11:33:31.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-06-03T11:33:32.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
這個我們有在跟衛福部…… |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-06-03T11:33:32.821000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-06-03T11:33:52.372000+08:00 |
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現在打詐是針對詐騙，像是金融相關的，民眾可以上你們的打詐app去輸入網址，接下來只要民眾發現有異常，像是關於販售電子煙等相關主機，還是你說的黑話，除了你們用AI掃描之外，民眾可不可以也把這些網址放在這個打詐app上面呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-06-03T11:33:54.153000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-06-03T11:34:04.559000+08:00 |
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我覺得委員這個建議非常好，我們會往這個方向去研議，事實上我們也是希望往這個方向去進行，因為這樣的話可以加快整個處理的速度還有能量。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-06-03T11:34:05.299000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-06-03T11:34:06.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
你們什麼時候可以研議出來？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
林署長俊秀 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-06-03T11:34:07.942000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-06-03T11:34:13.447000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
跟委員補充，我們現在就有一個平臺，請各部會把新的關鍵字upload上來。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.97 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-06-03T11:34:13.667000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-06-03T11:34:18.211000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
我稍早有聽部長說，新的關鍵字都是由衛福部來跟你們告知…… |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
林署長俊秀 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-06-03T11:34:19.032000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-06-03T11:34:34.541000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
因為那個domain knowledge有時候是屬於電子煙，這個可能要專業才能夠判斷，即使是電商，其實每天上架的這部分很不容易，所以主管機關就會給我們關鍵字，每天upload關鍵字上來，電商就可以…… |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.802 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-06-03T11:34:34.861000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-06-03T11:34:39.502000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
但是你們要等主管機關告知你們這些關鍵字的話就太慢了。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-06-03T11:34:39.882000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-06-03T11:34:44.364000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
你剛才也有說，他不斷的在網路上架，你們下架之後又有新的網址出來。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.897 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-06-03T11:34:44.724000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-06-03T11:34:57.348000+08:00 |
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現在我是想要問，針對打詐你們有做一個app，同樣的，看到這樣販賣電子煙或是煙油的網址，是不是同樣也可以做一個平臺由全民來通報？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.914 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-06-03T11:34:57.348000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-06-03T11:35:11.434000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
是，委員這個建議非常好，我們往這個方向去發展，事實上我們很希望能有這種功能，那對我們整體查緝違法商品，不單單是電子煙…… |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.906 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-06-03T11:35:12.094000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-06-03T11:35:15.436000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
什麼時候可以做得出來？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-06-03T11:35:15.436000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-06-03T11:35:18.957000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
我們要開發系統，我們再提供資料給委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-06-03T11:35:18.957000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-06-03T11:35:19.838000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
開發系統時間是多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-06-03T11:35:19.958000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-06-03T11:35:22.139000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
我想你們數發部做一個系統出來不會很久吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-06-03T11:35:23.586000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-06-03T11:35:26.667000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
其實系統本身應該還好，但是會有一些法律上的…… |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-06-03T11:35:27.727000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-06-03T11:35:39.671000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
因為現在前端確實是衛福部、法務部，還有警政署相關機關，可是後端，目前我們看到毒品濫用，數發部責無旁貸，因為後端的擴散、網路平臺治理是在數發部，沒有錯吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.97 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-06-03T11:35:40.171000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-06-03T11:35:42.653000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
是，OK，沒問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-06-03T11:35:42.653000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-06-03T11:35:48.499000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
好，那我也請部長交辦，希望儘快可以透過網址來通報。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.864 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-06-03T11:35:48.499000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-06-03T11:35:50.882000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
好，謝謝委員的建議。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-06-03T11:35:50.882000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-06-03T11:35:58.330000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
另外，針對app，數發部近期也發布了4個中製的app，我想要請問，這是最新的版本嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.722 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-06-03T11:36:00.345000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-06-03T11:36:02.469000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
你說最新的app嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-06-03T11:36:02.889000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-06-03T11:36:05.153000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
對，這app是最新的版本嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-06-03T11:36:05.153000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-06-03T11:36:05.734000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
應該是最新的版本。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-06-03T11:36:06.655000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-06-03T11:36:08.218000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
請資安署。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
蔡署長福隆 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-06-03T11:36:09.139000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-06-03T11:36:11.543000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
謝謝委員，我想我們儘量用最新的版本驗測。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-06-03T11:36:13.208000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-06-03T11:36:32.188000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
我們看到這4個app，其實在臺灣有一些已經改版了，包括在中國，他們目前也不是這個版本，所以我想要了解，你們這一次拿出這4個app做資安檢測，你們的標準是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.914 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-06-03T11:36:32.188000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-06-03T11:36:33.389000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
為什麼只挑這4個app呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
蔡署長福隆 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-06-03T11:36:34.607000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-06-03T11:36:43.771000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
我們是根據在臺灣地區目前民眾使用比較多的，還有一些有疑慮的app做資安檢測。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.806 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-06-03T11:36:44.631000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-06-03T11:36:54.075000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
你們是依照下載的量，還是使用人數，還是民眾檢舉，還是你們自己認定它有國安的風險，所以才只挑這4個app？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
蔡署長福隆 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-06-03T11:36:55.376000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-06-03T11:37:02.139000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
跟委員報告，是用下載率，因為使用民眾到底有多少其實我們沒辦法得知，但是我們是根據下載率等等做相關的挑選。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-06-03T11:37:04.815000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-06-03T11:37:08.437000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
所謂的風險行為完全是由數發部來判定嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
蔡署長福隆 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-06-03T11:37:08.437000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-06-03T11:37:20.503000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
當然也是根據跟民眾有相關的，包括一些個資的外洩、隱私權，還有包括像高德地圖有數位足跡、行動的地理資訊等等相關的風險來判斷。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-06-03T11:37:21.363000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-06-03T11:37:25.806000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
在這邊請問一個問題，如果它已經修正風險之後，你們還會判定它是一個具高風險的app嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.744 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
蔡署長福隆 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-06-03T11:37:27.580000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-06-03T11:37:32.827000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
如果已經修正過，我們當然可以再檢測，然後再去做一些相關的公告。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-06-03T11:37:34.048000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-06-03T11:37:34.909000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
你們的週期是多久？ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
蔡署長福隆 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-06-03T11:37:37.613000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-06-03T11:37:43.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
剛剛部長也有指示，目前我們大概兩到三個月都會重新再檢測。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-06-03T11:37:45.888000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-06-03T11:38:08.956000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
其實現在不只是中製的app，也有民眾反映，不管是像是在網路購物平臺，甚至是Facebook、Meta，有很多詐騙行為在上面進行，資安管理當然非常重要，也希望可以擴大，不只是針對中製的app，然後也不是只是發新聞稿告訴民眾這個app有風險。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.881 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-06-03T11:38:08.956000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-06-03T11:38:09.676000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
你們有沒有後續的作為？ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
蔡署長福隆 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-06-03T11:38:10.444000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-06-03T11:38:28.915000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
的確就是委員講的，不一定是中製app，其他我們國人常使用的app，如果它有一些相關的資安風險，包括個資、隱私權不當存取的話，我們都會拿來檢測，之後發布給民眾去注意這些風險。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.821 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-06-03T11:38:29.015000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-06-03T11:38:31.396000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
既然你們有做檢測，希望你們可以提供更完整的名單。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-06-03T11:38:33.197000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-06-03T11:38:39.773000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
沒問題，委員如果對哪一個app有什麼疑慮的話，也歡迎跟我們說，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-06-03T11:38:40.273000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-06-03T11:38:43.415857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
謝謝邱若華委員，謝謝部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-06-03T11:38:43.715857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-06-03T11:38:46.858714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
接下來請魯明哲委員發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0 |