| IVOD_ID |
169535 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169535 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-21T09:57:56+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-21T10:08:05+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:09 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/14c66ee36e76b85c4525c92a5f81aeca9d2d05c89e696614f929c1ba330123fb73d84130179852065ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
廖先翔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:57:56 - 10:08:05 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於行政院部分。【僅詢答；相關預算提案於115年5月29日(五)中午12時前截止收件。】） |
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謝謝主席,麻煩幫我邀請張秘書長請張秘書長謝謝趙偉,趙偉早安秘書長早,這個剛剛跟在聽這個許中信委員的詢答之後,我其實心中有些疑問就是說在立法院通過的法律,除了傳統的行政院這個復議之外 |
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那目前有兩種比較創新的做法第一種就是總統公布了行政院長也附屬了然後最後沒有執行第二種是總統公布了那行政院長沒有附屬那我再請問一下秘書長其實這兩種的結果 |
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對人民來說其實是一樣的啦就是沒有執行嘛那我們行政院去怎麼去判斷原本以前可能就是先是附屬然後法律生效了之後不執行那現在直接不附屬這兩個的差異對你們來說在這個可能一樣的類似一樣的法律你們為什麼會有不同的兩種的可能說抵抗的方式 |
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我覺得第一個為什麼我剛剛專案報告的時候一直強調說在近期行政立法相對比較好的良性關係之下能夠推動國家往前進也是希望最近貴黨很多這個同志在講說翻頁的事情我希望那些東西都能夠翻頁而當初行政院為什麼就才化法以及後面的四項的正義法案進行不附屬確實是因為 |
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憲法第37條已經明定行政院長有不附屬的權利所以當法案超過一定程度的憲政分際的界限的時候行政院當然必須有守護憲法捍衛憲政的權利 |
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那既然我現在都沒有要反駁您我只是說差異比如說之前這個軍人加薪行政院也是有意見嘛然後總統公布了行政院也附屬了那你們也認為超過了這個憲政的分際了但是你們是選擇了附屬了之後不去執行而現在是直接選擇不附屬我想在你們剛剛提到的幕僚裡面的作業為什麼會有這兩種不同的做法 |
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兩種是不執行的結果我想選擇不執行又或者不附屬最後就是希望爭取那兩種的差異在哪裡?對你們來說我們都希望爭取能夠事情有轉圜的空間舉例來說 張偉您剛提到的關於軍人加薪這個部分大院最後也做了決議希望半年內大家能夠提出方案那是最近的事嗎?我們就是希望說 |
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這個有爭議的法案它能夠懸崖勒馬所以我們選擇這樣子最後當然殊途同歸但是我們希望的是無論用哪一個方式我們在憲法所賦予的框架下面合法合憲的守護國家的憲政 |
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既然行政院的立場當然不是說我贊同行政院的立場是認為這個違反了憲政的分際了所以你們不附屬對不對剛剛的大家說法是這樣子那前面你們也認為超過憲政分際的法案為什麼你們附屬了這差異在哪裡再來說對你們來說你們有不附屬權的話你們應該從頭到尾都不附屬嗎那為什麼前面的法案去把它附屬了最後選擇不執行 |
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如果委員還能夠回到當初才劃法的那個當下這個問題我們不討論法案的本身而是你們認為這個法案既然都已經逾越了憲政的分際那你們既然認為已經可以不附屬來達到你們的表達你們的立場了那為什麼先前你們要附屬然後是先經有附屬再也不執行這兩者的差異我想要了解 |
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委員前面的幾個法案的時候憲法法庭還尚能正常運作但在裁劃法的那個當下憲法法庭是被在野黨聯手癱瘓的我想委員如果回首 |
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那個時候已經不足了這個問題應該要問立法院不是問行政院沒有我剛剛就問你們這個幕僚的一個剛剛徐東信很關心我們幕僚怎麼做決策的就好像是不是我的感覺啦也不一定是對的好像突然大家都認為說法律就是總統公佈行政院附屬突然有一天行政院突然發現 |
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這個法律的文字解釋我們好像可以做我們自己的解讀我們好像突然突然發現我有這個權利了我就突然改由附屬不執行直接變成不附屬我的感覺會是這樣我的行政院並不是突然發現現在把第三十七條一直寫在那邊 |
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當初是立法院如何的去侵害到其他院的職權,我想大家都希望反對我剛剛就講了,我剛剛其實在用字潛質上面我都是不用過激的語言來做討論我只是想了解你們的決策的過程而已,那既然沒關係,您沒有辦法很明確的 |
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說出來那我也不再追問了啦那沒關係那回到我們比較關心的民生議題啦我有一個困惑就是大家都非常關心這個0到18歲國家一起來幫忙這個照顧嘛那現在我有一個疑問就是說我們賴清德總統上任了兩年嘛那剛剛有許多的委員都針對賴總統昨天的政策提出了一些詢問但是我們好像行政院還沒有辦法針對很多的東西做詳細的說明都說必須要等到 |
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可能下禮拜才有比較有明確的一個這個詳細的方案我的疑惑是這次520不是賴清德總統就職的那個520是賴清德總統就職兩週年的520怎麼會在就職的兩週年的520所提出的政策沒有辦法在總統一宣布出來之後所有的部會都一次把這個政策說清楚所以我懷疑我們的 |
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無論是行政院提供影響還是總統府怎樣到底是哪時候開始決定要推行這個政策了這個政策其實已經討論非常久了這個很久了然後我來行政院當秘書長我以為你來不及過一個禮拜就講得清楚這樣子這個我來當行政院秘書長之前賴總統跟卓院長就是希望我能夠把這項政策完整的盤整跟提出 |
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那我想已經接近到時機非常成熟那這就是你們幕僚的問題啊怎麼會讓總統在520發表完演說了之後跟大眾說還需要一個禮拜才能夠給大家最詳細的方案這是我們的法條可能本來就準備好等我們總統一宣布了 |
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我想所有的 所有的方案幾乎都已經到了最後的階段了那總統也非常清楚所有的方案 那你怎麼沒有辦法感到這個一個禮拜的時差就好像感覺我們的總統在提出這個方案的時候是一個非常急救張的一個政策的宣示而不是經過幕僚單位縝密的 縝密的討論然後再由總統來做宣布我必須跟您報告 今天是禮拜四現在正在開行政院會 而我跟所有的處長都在這邊所以這樣你懂 |
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為什麼要到下禮拜了吧OK 好 所以你們認為行政院會是一個比較好適當的報告的時間院長在上一次或前幾天在立法院大院接受詢問的時候就講過所以你們的法條都準備好了嗎已經跟總統報告過了這個總統會有一定的政策宣示這個接下來我們也會通過行政院會來做正式的提案我們法條都準備好了嗎 |
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應該是就緒了已經完整了?哪時候可以送到立法院?我想會在最快的時間這邊送最快的時間?對也希望有人能夠支持我們當然支持我們黨團已經表達我們絕對支持了因為我們本來就在總統講之前就已經提出來了 |
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好那想確認一下最後一點就是財源的部分啦,這個剛剛路上有說這個這幾年大家這個全民共享經濟嘛,台灣經濟的果實非常的好啦那之前在野黨提出一些可能福國利民的一些民生的補助等等的一些方向啦那有許多的朋友都會抨擊國民黨在配合共產黨掏空台灣啦 |
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現在行政院也提出了這樣子的一個政策啦那每年大概多了一千多到兩千多億的預算啦我不要把它當作是一個對國民黨的批評或對省的批評而是對增加社福預算會掏空台灣然後可能是配合對岸再做一些掏空台灣國防能量的一些做法不曉得這部分行政會怎麼來跟這些有疑問的民眾做說明 |
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剛剛有人報告我們還是得回到憲法第70條的精神預算權是行政權的核心他們沒有說預算權的權利他們是說邊內的這些經費會掏空台灣那不曉得秘書長會怎麼樣子針對這樣的一個質疑 |
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我希望立法院各位委員無論是朝野政黨的委員都能夠清楚的認知到任何一個國家他的資源跟預算都是有限性的只是我們怎麼去選擇預算的分配所以你也不會認為國民黨進行預算是在逃亡台灣嗎?四千七百億沒辦法納入特別預算而必須依照貴黨所主張的納入年度特別預算是不是會造成排除? |
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雖然跟你確認0到15歲國民黨之前提出的方案你也不會認為是在掏空台灣嘛對不對0到15歲的方案我覺得國民黨黨團應該去思考你們到底是要堅持0到15歲的方案又或者是跟你們原本0到12歲的疊加我們現在黨團宣布就是支持行政院了嘛對不對我只是問你國民黨的方案有沒有掏空台灣 |
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國民黨的方案有沒有偷光台灣這個問題應該要去問人民這個4700億的軍購如果不放在特別預算如果不放在特別預算寫在年度預算裡面然後又不能排擠社福預算那是排擠什麼預算 |
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廖委員先翔 |
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謝謝主席。 |
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廖委員先翔 |
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麻煩幫我邀請張秘書長。 |
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主席 |
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請張秘書長。 |
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張秘書長惇涵 |
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2026-05-21T09:57:57.891000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T09:57:59.252000+08:00 |
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謝謝召委，召委早安。 |
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廖委員先翔 |
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秘書長早。 |
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廖委員先翔 |
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剛剛聽許忠信委員的詢答之後，我心中其實有些疑問，就是在立法院通過的法律，除了傳統的行政院覆議之外，目前有兩種比較創新的做法：第一種就是總統公布了，行政院院長也副署了，然後最後沒有執行；第二種是總統公布了，行政院院長沒有副署。 |
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廖委員先翔 |
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我再請問一下秘書長，這兩種的結果，對人民來說其實是一樣的，就是沒有執行嘛！ |
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廖委員先翔 |
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那行政院怎麼去判斷，原本以前可能就是先副署，法律生效了之後不執行，而現在是直接不副署。 |
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廖委員先翔 |
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這兩個的差異，對你們來說，在類似的法律為什麼會有不同的兩種，可能是說抵抗的方式？ |
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張秘書長惇涵 |
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我覺得第一個，為什麼我剛剛專案報告的時候，一直強調在近期行政立法相對比較好的良性關係之下，能夠推動國家往前進？ |
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張秘書長惇涵 |
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最近貴黨很多同志在講說翻頁的事情，我希望那些東西都能夠翻頁。 |
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張秘書長惇涵 |
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而當初行政院為什麼就財劃法以及後面4項爭議法案進行不副署，確實是因為憲法第三十七條已經明定行政院院長有不副署的權力，所以當法案超過一定程度的憲政分際界限的時候，行政院當然必須有守護憲法、捍衛憲政的權力。 |
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廖委員先翔 |
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我知道，我現在都沒有要反駁您，只是說差異，比如之前軍人加薪，行政院也是有意見嘛！ |
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廖委員先翔 |
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2026-05-21T09:59:50.108000+08:00 |
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然後總統公布了，行政院也副署了，你們認為超過了憲政的分際，但是你們是選擇了副署之後不去執行，而現在卻是直接選擇不副署，在你們剛剛提到的幕僚作業，為什麼會有這兩種不同的做法？ |
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廖委員先翔 |
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2026-05-21T10:00:07.361000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:00:08.141000+08:00 |
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一樣都是不執行的結果，這兩種做法的差別？ |
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0.389 |
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張秘書長惇涵 |
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我想選擇不執行又或者不副署，最後都是希望爭取…… |
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廖委員先翔 |
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2026-05-21T10:00:14.882000+08:00 |
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兩種的差異在哪裡？ |
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廖委員先翔 |
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對你們來說，會有不同的做法…… |
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張秘書長惇涵 |
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我們都是希望爭取能夠事情有轉圜的空間，舉例來說，召委您剛剛提到的關於軍人加薪這個部分，大院最後也做了決議，希望半年內大家能夠提出方案、能夠…… |
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廖委員先翔 |
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那是最近的事。 |
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張秘書長惇涵 |
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我們就是希望有爭議的法案能夠懸崖勒馬，所以我們選擇這樣子，最後當然殊途同歸，但我們希望的是，無論用哪一個方式，我們在憲法所賦予的框架下面合法合憲地守護國家的憲政。 |
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廖委員先翔 |
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當然不是說我贊同，既然行政院的立場是認為這個違反了憲政分際，所以你們不副署，對不對？ |
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廖委員先翔 |
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剛剛大概的說法是這樣子。 |
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廖委員先翔 |
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那前面你們也認為超過憲政分際的法案，為什麼你們副署了，差異在哪裡？ |
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廖委員先翔 |
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2026-05-21T10:01:15.490000+08:00 |
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再來，對你們來說，你們用不副署的話，應該從頭到尾都不副署，那為什麼前面的法案把它副署了，最後選擇不執行？ |
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0.848 |
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廖委員先翔 |
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2026-05-21T10:01:15.490000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-05-21T10:01:17.246000+08:00 |
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判斷的差異在哪裡？ |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
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2026-05-21T10:01:17.246000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:01:17.926000+08:00 |
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如果委員還能夠回到財劃法的那個當下，這個問題我想…… |
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0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
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2026-05-21T10:01:17.946000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:01:19.787000+08:00 |
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我們不討論法案本身，而是你們認為這個法案都已經逾越憲政分際，既然認為已經可以用不副署來表達你們的立場了，那為什麼先前你們要副署？ |
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0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
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2026-05-21T10:01:19.947000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:01:21.168000+08:00 |
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先經由副署，再來是不執行，這兩者的差異我想要了解。 |
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0.773 |
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張秘書長惇涵 |
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2026-05-21T10:01:45.904000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:02:04.016000+08:00 |
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前面幾個法案的時候，憲法法庭還尚能正常運作，但在財劃法的那個當下，憲法法庭是被在野黨聯手癱瘓的，我想委員如果回首那個時候你應該很清楚。 |
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| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
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2026-05-21T10:02:04.016000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-05-21T10:02:06.678000+08:00 |
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那時候憲法法庭人數應該都已經不足了。 |
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0.294 |
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張秘書長惇涵 |
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2026-05-21T10:02:06.678000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:02:09.040000+08:00 |
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委員，這個問題應該要問立法院，不是問行政院。 |
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0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
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2026-05-21T10:02:09.300000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:02:17.226000+08:00 |
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沒有，我剛剛就問你們幕僚的一個……剛剛許忠信委員很關心我們幕僚怎麼做決策的，我的感覺啦！ |
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0.897 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
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2026-05-21T10:02:17.406000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:02:36.501000+08:00 |
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也不一定是對的，大家都認為，法律就是總統公布、行政院副署，然後有一天行政院突然發現了，法律的文字解釋好像可以做自己的解讀，突然發現他有這個權力了，他就突然改由副署不執行直接變成不副署，我的感覺會是這樣子！ |
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0.86 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
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2026-05-21T10:02:36.721000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:02:47.806000+08:00 |
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行政院並不是突然發現，憲法第三十七條一直寫在那邊，當初立法院如何地去侵害到其他院的職權，我想大家都希望翻頁。 |
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0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-05-21T10:02:48.146000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:02:57.288000+08:00 |
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我剛剛就講了，我剛剛其實在用字遣詞上面都是不用過激的語言來做討論，我只是想了解你們的決策過程而已。 |
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0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
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2026-05-21T10:02:57.748000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:03:05.072000+08:00 |
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沒關係，既然您沒有辦法很明確地說出來，我也不再追問，那沒關係，回到我們比較關心的民生議題。 |
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0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-05-21T10:03:06.653000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:03:32.114000+08:00 |
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大家都非常關心0到18歲國家一起幫忙照顧的政策，賴清德總統上任兩年了，剛剛有許多委員都針對賴總統昨天的政策提出了一些詢問，但是好像行政院還沒有辦法針對很多東西做詳細說明，都說必須要等到可能下禮拜才有比較明確的詳細方案。 |
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0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-05-21T10:03:32.834000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:03:52.283000+08:00 |
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我的疑惑是，這次的520不是賴清德總統就職的那個520，是賴清德總統就職兩週年的520，怎麼會在就職兩週年的520所提出的政策，沒有辦法在總統一宣布出來之後，所有的部會都一次把這個政策說清楚？ |
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0.987 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
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2026-05-21T10:03:52.703000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:03:59.407000+08:00 |
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所以我很懷疑，無論是行政院提供意見還是總統府怎麼樣，到底是哪時候開始決定要推行這個政策？ |
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0.902 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
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2026-05-21T10:04:00.747000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:04:06.270000+08:00 |
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這個政策其實已經討論非常久了，我來行政院當秘書長之前…… |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
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2026-05-21T10:04:06.610000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:04:08.371000+08:00 |
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很久的，然後520來不及，過一個禮拜就可以講得清楚？ |
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0.65 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-05-21T10:04:08.712000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:04:08.712000+08:00 |
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這樣子感覺怪怪的吧！ |
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0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
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2026-05-21T10:04:09.192000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:04:19.379000+08:00 |
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我來當行政院秘書長之前，賴總統跟卓院長就是希望我能夠把這項政策完整地盤整跟提出，我想已經接近到時機非常成熟。 |
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0.98 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
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2026-05-21T10:04:19.819000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:04:27.768000+08:00 |
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那就是你們幕僚的問題，怎麼會讓總統在520發表完演說了之後，跟大眾說還需要一個禮拜才能夠給大家最詳細的方案？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
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2026-05-21T10:04:28.649000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:04:31.172000+08:00 |
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甚至是我們的法條可能本來就準備好，等總統一宣布了，全部的東西一起跟大家講清楚啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.568 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-05-21T10:04:31.993000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:04:39.075000+08:00 |
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我想所有的方案幾乎都已經到了最後階段，總統也非常清楚所有的方案。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-05-21T10:04:39.095000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:04:52.139000+08:00 |
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那你們怎麼沒有辦法趕在這一個禮拜而有時差，感覺總統在提出這個方案的時候是非常急就章的一個政策宣示，而不是經過幕僚單位縝密的討論，然後再由總統宣布！ |
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0.899 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-05-21T10:04:52.399000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:05:01.805000+08:00 |
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我必須跟您報告，今天是禮拜四，現在正在開行政院院會，而我跟所有的處長都在這邊，所以這樣你懂為什麼要到下禮拜了吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.98 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-05-21T10:05:01.905000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-05-21T10:05:09.148000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
OK，所以你們認為行政院院會是一個比較好、適當的報告時間？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-05-21T10:05:09.148000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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2026-05-21T10:05:15.212000+08:00 |
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院長上一次或前幾天在大院接受詢答的時候就講過…… |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-05-21T10:05:15.812000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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2026-05-21T10:05:17.213000+08:00 |
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你們的法條都準備好了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-05-21T10:05:17.213000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:05:25.237000+08:00 |
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已經跟總統報告過了，總統會有一定的政策宣示，接下來我們也會通過行政院院會正式定案。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-05-21T10:05:25.617000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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2026-05-21T10:05:26.498000+08:00 |
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那請問我們剛剛講的法制部分，法條都準備好了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.476 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-05-21T10:05:27.537000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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2026-05-21T10:05:28.198000+08:00 |
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應該是就緒了。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-05-21T10:05:28.959000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-05-21T10:05:29.840000+08:00 |
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已經完整了？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-05-21T10:05:30.541000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-05-21T10:05:31.302000+08:00 |
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哪時候可以送到立法院？ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-05-21T10:05:31.803000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-05-21T10:05:33.224000+08:00 |
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我想會在最快的時間之內送。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-05-21T10:05:33.865000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:05:35.107000+08:00 |
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最快的時間？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-05-21T10:05:35.107000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
1 |
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2026-05-21T10:05:36.107000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
也就是…… |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
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2026-05-21T10:05:35.107000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:05:36.148000+08:00 |
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是，也希望委員能夠支持。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-05-21T10:05:36.649000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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2026-05-21T10:05:41.935000+08:00 |
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我們當然支持，我們黨團已經表達我們絕對支持，因為我們本來在總統講之前就已經提出來了，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-05-21T10:05:43.396000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:06:35.361000+08:00 |
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那想確認一下，最後一點就是財源的部分，剛剛秘書長有說，這幾年全民共享經濟、臺灣經濟的果實非常地好，之前在野黨提出一些可能福國利民的民生補助等等的方向，有許多朋友都抨擊國民黨在配合共產黨掏空臺灣，那現在行政院也提出了這樣子的一個政策，每年大概多了一千多到兩千多億預算，針對這樣的……我們不要把它當作是一個對國民黨的批評或對誰的批評，而是對於增加社福預算會掏空臺灣，可能是配合對岸在做一些掏空臺灣國防能量的一些做法，不曉得這部分行政院會怎麼跟這些有疑問的民眾做說明？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.931 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-05-21T10:06:37.192000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-05-21T10:06:39.853000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
跟委員報告，我們還是得回到憲法第七十條的精神，預算權是行政權的核心。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.516 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-05-21T10:06:39.853000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-05-21T10:06:40.913000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
沒有討論到預算權，我們討論的是…… |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-05-21T10:06:40.913000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-05-21T10:06:42.254000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
預算權是行政權的核心。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-05-21T10:06:42.274000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-05-21T10:06:44.314000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
他們沒有說預算權的權利，他們是說編列的這些經費會掏空臺灣，那不曉得秘書長會怎麼樣針對這樣的一個質疑…… |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-05-21T10:06:53.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-05-21T10:07:06.535000+08:00 |
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我希望立法院各位委員，無論是朝野政黨的委員，都能夠清楚地認知到任何一個國家的資源跟預算都是有限的，只是我們怎麼去選擇預算的分配。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.983 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-05-21T10:07:07.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-05-21T10:07:10.477000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
所以你也不會認為國民黨之前提出0到15歲的部分是在掏空臺灣，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.379 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-05-21T10:07:11.097000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-05-21T10:07:20.041000+08:00 |
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如果今天軍購預算4,700億沒辦法納入特別預算，而必須依照貴黨所主張的納入年度預算，是不是會造成排擠？ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-05-21T10:07:20.381000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-05-21T10:07:26.806000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
我現在跟您確認，0到15歲這個國民黨之前提出的方案，您也不會認為是在掏空臺灣，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.806 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-05-21T10:07:26.806000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-05-21T10:07:35.752000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
0到15歲的方案，我覺得國民黨黨團應該去思考，你們到底是要堅持0到15歲的方案，又或者是跟你們原本0到12歲的疊加？ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-05-21T10:07:36.132000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-05-21T10:07:39.835000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
沒有，我們現在黨團宣布就是支持行政院了，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-05-21T10:07:39.835000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-05-21T10:07:42.237000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
我只是問你國民黨的方案有沒有掏空臺灣？ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-05-21T10:07:43.353000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-05-21T10:07:46.034000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
國民黨的方案有沒有掏空臺灣，這個問題應該去問人民。 |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-05-21T10:07:46.815000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-05-21T10:07:48.455000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
這4,700的軍購如果不放在特別預算……好啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-05-21T10:07:48.455000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-05-21T10:07:49.455000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
因為你也不方便講，你們的規模預算比國民黨大嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-05-21T10:07:49.455000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-05-21T10:07:50.455000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
我了解你的意思。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-05-21T10:07:49.116000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-05-21T10:07:51.497000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
如果不放在特別預算，寫在年度預算裡面…… |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-05-21T10:07:51.497000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-05-21T10:07:52.497000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
謝謝秘書長。 |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-05-21T10:07:51.557000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-05-21T10:07:52.677000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
然後又不能排擠社福預算，那是排擠什麼預算？謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-05-21T10:07:53.177000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-05-21T10:07:56.605571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
下一位邀請王美惠委員質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0 |