| IVOD_ID |
169028 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169028 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-30T11:27:03+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-30T11:35:10+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:07 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/b51b6e95b687bd8e0e7e4bdd4c4e44064094fdde23d63da523be77335660865b78127b5ca753ccb05ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱議瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:27:03 - 11:35:10 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-30T10:10:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：一、 審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於行政院歲入預算第5款第1項第2目暨國家發展委員會及所屬單位預算部分。
二、 審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於行政院主管：行政院國家發展基金、離島建設基金、花東地區永續發展基金及促進轉型正義基金。(詢答)
【4月29日及4月30日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 我請一下國發會主委國發會葉主委委員早主委早 主委這個幾個問題請教我想前陣子這個有關於高德地圖喔對不起 等一下時間先暫停 |
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有關於這個高德地圖的使用那我想這個到底這個限制或者是未來的未來性會是怎麼樣這一方面我想這個高德地圖 |
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民眾會開始使用它會Download這個APP當然有它的這個功能的便利性比如它的3D導航或者是紅燈倒數等等但是實際上這個資安風險是非常非常高的您同意嗎我同意 |
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結果中國就罵我們說我們這是反智反科技其實我在想這個不是反智不是反科技我覺得很多的資通訊包括這些APP對於國家安全的危害對於很多的資訊往後台往中國去傳送這個才是我們很重要應該要考量的一個因素之一因為民眾假如下載高德的話他等於就是要把他的位置 |
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傳給中國那甚至說譬如說我們平常在用的Google裡面也有一項說你到底要不要開放但高德可能沒有那個選項讓你所以你只要當頭下來他就直接所以現在政府激光全面禁用那我們有沒有可能未來會是在民間這個APP都會要求下架 |
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第一個跟委員分享就是說那個高德的那一個APP其實它是由AI去生成用大數據去生成它其實它沒有我們國內的圖資那其實我們內政部本來就有地政司本來就有圖資只是說我們國內的業者其實有去評估就是說高德這個技術對他們來講其實不困難 |
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只是說我們相對的就是說假如說只是單獨的說你要看那個秒數而已的話他們覺得沒有商業模式沒有商業價值所以他不想開發但不是說不想開發說他們對於這整個串聯到我們智慧交通這個部分他們就不做 |
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他們現在其實在考慮就是說是不是有可能進一步的去把整個圖資再收集更完整之後的話甚至到最後會讓民眾就是拿到就是說我甚至可以知道我什麼時候到哪一個地方又走哪一條路會更快這樣子你已經把我下一個問題要問的你都提前先回答完了我現在就是要請教您您過去在這個總質詢的時候您有回答過說你有信心我們可以開發一個更好用的APP |
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就像您剛剛講的 很多的這些系統開發業者 覺得讀了紅燈的描述或者是某一些資訊 對他們來講並沒有商業開發的價值又或者是有一些圖資其實散落在交通部 在內政部 在其他的部會裡頭所以您講到的 要開發一個更有用的APP 會不會 |
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會不會做第二個您現在是不是要由國發會開始來做跨部會的整合來整合這一些包括交通部內政部甚至民間的這些資通訊系統的這些圖資那如果會的話你會用哪一樣的經費比如說我們的AI十大建設的1900億的這個預算裡頭會不會拿這個預算 |
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一部分來做這一類的APP的開發那未來有可能你不是只有開發跟國產的地圖服務系統未來可能還有很多包括我們在談農業精準的農業智慧農業上面很多大數據的運用在很多我們的這一些大數據運用上面國發會跟數位部會扮演什麼樣的角色來 |
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第一個就是說因為速發部他負責的就是AI產業登峰這一塊AI產業登峰這一塊其實很大的一個目標就是說我們不再做project我們要做product但也不是說速發部自己在做product他會用一些譬如說像研發部所以是會媒合民間的業者 |
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研發補助或者是科專體驗這部分然後去媒合民間的業者然後去跟他們講就是說現在目前政府希望往哪一個部分走那你有沒有可能就是說協助政府一起開發這樣的一個軟體所以我們這個部分來講的話國發會所以這已經有想法有做法有進步對對對所以你們預計這樣的一個所謂的這樣的一個開發這樣的一個APP的開發 |
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其實已經在進行式當中對我們會鼓勵啊但時程在這部分我沒有辦法回報給委員就說我現在沒有要求但是有都有在做而且民間業者其實他也反應就是說 |
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隨著整個聯網的車輛越普及那導航的服務更精進的話這些數據都進到整個模型裡面的話那個會更精準那整個開發價值會更大這樣子 |
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好 所以當然我就拭目以待啦我覺得比如說我剛提到的我問到了這個你的新十大建設的這個AI的部分1900億裡頭會不會撥一部分來做這一方面的開發運用或者是說去協助速發部或者協助一些民間的業者廠商去做更精準的這些大數據的的蒐集開發會不會 |
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這個比例的話我是不是會後我再提供給那個因為這個我現在手上沒有如果說你們有類似這樣的是不是會後提供給老師接下來我要請教您第二個問題這個國發基金裡頭最近對於聯合再生的投資我們開始釋出了420萬股所以國發基金大概現在只保留了5.81%當然也只剩下一席的董事 |
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國發基金說你們的這個階段性任務已經達成我想請教什麼叫階段性任務已經達成是表示政府未來是放棄綠能的發展嗎還是有其他的商業考量就這個部分的話我們不是放棄綠能發展只是說我們裡面的那個辦法裡面就有規定就是說投資超過五年的話我們就會檢討 |
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然後假如說這一個產業已經慢慢的已經自己可以站起來的話其實我們會慢慢的就釋放一部分的股 |
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一份的那個股票但聯合再生其實它的股價還是一直在跌嘛你說投資超過五年要檢討那你應該是2024年甚至更早之前就應該要開始檢討了嘛那到現在才開始去試股對 但我們會有一個程序啊那因為最近前一陣子聯合再生的股票算還蠻不錯的啦所以我們那時候其實是有少部分在試股這樣子但是 |
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從你投資來講你們這一個投資是賺還是賠?還是有賺嗎?所以未來在國發基金在做這一類的投資的時候你們的評估作業要點會否會再做一些修正我想有一些創新的產業當然一開始是不會賺錢後面當然會不曉得它會有什麼樣的變化但是你們是不是還是會持續做一些活動性的檢討? |
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460.723 |
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484.792 |
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因為這個本來就是國發基金的目的就是我們會扶持初期而且是新創的但我們會持續的關注我們通常持有股票都是非常長的我們不像民間的一些投入公司進出股票那麼長沒有沒有 我們都是會考慮到這個公司對於我們要扶持的產業它的重要性是什麼 會把它列入考量好 謝謝謝謝邱委員 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-30T11:27:07.680000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:27:10.081000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席，請國發會主委。 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-30T11:27:10.461000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:27:10.601000+08:00 |
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請國發會葉主委。 |
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葉主任委員俊顯 |
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2026-04-30T11:27:16.224000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:27:16.504000+08:00 |
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委員早。 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-30T11:27:17.084000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:27:17.324000+08:00 |
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主委早。 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-30T11:27:17.624000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:27:47.903000+08:00 |
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主委，我幾個問題請教，有關於高德地圖的使用，這個限制或者是未來的未來性到底會怎麼樣？ |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-30T11:27:47.903000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:28:04.817000+08:00 |
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一方面民眾會開始使用高德地圖、會download這個app，當然有功能的便利性，比如3D導航或者是紅燈倒數等等，但是實際上資安風險是非常非常高的，你同意嗎？ |
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葉主任委員俊顯 |
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2026-04-30T11:28:04.817000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:28:05.117000+08:00 |
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我同意。 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-30T11:28:06.238000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:28:30.815000+08:00 |
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結果中國就罵我們，說我們這是反智、反科技，其實這個不是反智、不是反科技，我覺得很多的資通訊，包括這些app，對於國家安全的危害，對於很多的資訊往後臺、往中國傳送，才是我們很重要應該要考量的因素之一。 |
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葉主任委員俊顯 |
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2026-04-30T11:28:31.315000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:28:46.225000+08:00 |
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對，因為民眾假如download高德的話，等於就是要把他的位置傳給中國，甚至於是我們平常在用的Google，裡面也有一個選項是到底要不要開放，但高德可能沒有那個選項讓你選，所以你只要download下來，它就直接傳回去了。 |
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0.728 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-30T11:28:46.766000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:28:54.091000+08:00 |
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所以現在是政府機關全面禁用，我們有沒有可能未來在民間要求整個app都要下架？ |
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0.722 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
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2026-04-30T11:28:54.411000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:29:49.613000+08:00 |
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第一個，跟委員分享，高德app其實是由AI用大數據去生成，其實它沒有我們國內的圖資，內政部地政司本來就有圖資，只是我們國內的業者有去評估，高德這個技術對他們來講不困難，相對地，假如只是單獨要看秒數而已的話，他們覺得沒有商業模式、沒有商業價值，所以他們不想開發，但不是不想開發之後，對於串連到智慧交通的部分，他們就不做，他們現在在考慮是不是有可能進一步去把整個圖資再蒐集的更完整之後，甚至到最後會讓民眾可以知道什麼時候到哪一個地方，要走哪一條路會更快。 |
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0.942 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-30T11:29:50.373000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:29:53.636000+08:00 |
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主委，你已經把我下一個問題要問的都提前先回答完了。 |
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0.913 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-30T11:29:54.276000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:30:02.322000+08:00 |
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我現在就是要請教您，過去在總質詢的時候，您有回答過：「你有信心，可以開發一個更好用的app」。 |
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0.925 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-30T11:30:04.244000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:30:27.146000+08:00 |
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就像您剛剛講的很多的系統開發業者覺得讀了紅燈的秒數或者是某一些資訊，對他們來講並沒有商業開發的價值，又或者是有一些圖資散落在交通部、在內政部、在其他的部會裡頭，所以您講到要開發一個更有用的app，會不會做？ |
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0.948 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-30T11:30:27.747000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:30:43.417000+08:00 |
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第二個，您現在是不是要由國發會開始來做跨部會整合，來整合包括交通部、內政部，甚至民間資通訊系統的這些圖資，如果會的話，你會用哪一項經費？ |
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0.984 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-30T11:30:43.417000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:30:52.423000+08:00 |
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比如說，AI新十大建設1,900億的預算，會不會拿此預算的一部分來做這一類的app開發？ |
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0.811 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-30T11:30:52.543000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:31:09.995000+08:00 |
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未來有可能不是只有開發跟國產的地圖服務系統，還有很多包括我們在談的精準農業、智慧農業上很多的大數據運用，在很多這一些大數據運用上面，主委，國發會跟數發部會扮演什麼樣的角色？ |
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0.938 |
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葉主任委員俊顯 |
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2026-04-30T11:31:10.916000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:31:28.807000+08:00 |
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第一個，因為數發部負責的就是AI產業登峰這一塊，AI產業登峰其實很大的一個目標就是我們不再做project，我們要做product，但也不是數發部自己在做product，它會用一些像研發補助…… |
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0.944 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-30T11:31:28.967000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:31:29.647000+08:00 |
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所以是會媒合民間的業者嗎？對！ |
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0.846 |
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葉主任委員俊顯 |
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2026-04-30T11:31:30.668000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:31:46.341000+08:00 |
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以研發補助或者是科專提案這部分去媒合民間的業者，去跟他們講目前政府希望往哪一個部分走，你有沒有可能協助政府一起開發這樣的軟體，所以就這個部分來講，國發會站在統籌…… |
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0.895 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-30T11:31:46.341000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:31:50.265000+08:00 |
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所以這已經有想法、有做法、有進度？有、有！對、對！ |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-30T11:31:50.265000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:31:58.671000+08:00 |
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所以你們預計這樣的app開發，其實已經在進行式當中？對！ |
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0.88 |
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葉主任委員俊顯 |
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2026-04-30T11:31:58.671000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:32:03.993000+08:00 |
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我們會鼓勵，但在時程的部分，我沒有辦法回報給委員…… |
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0.909 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-30T11:32:04.454000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:32:05.354000+08:00 |
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我現在沒有要求要問你時程，但已經有開始在進展…… |
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0.333 |
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葉主任委員俊顯 |
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2026-04-30T11:32:05.934000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:32:27.807000+08:00 |
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但是都有在做，而且民間業者也反映隨著整個聯網車輛越普及、導航服務更精進，這些數據都進到整個模型裡面會更精準，整個開發的價值會更大。是，好。 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-30T11:32:28.788000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:32:47.526000+08:00 |
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當然我就拭目以待，比如說我剛剛問到新十大建設AI部分的1,900億裡頭，會不會撥一部分來做這一方面的開發運用，或者是協助數發部、或者協助一些民間的業者、廠商去做更精準的大數據蒐集、開發，會不會？ |
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葉主任委員俊顯 |
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2026-04-30T11:32:51.289000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:32:53.750000+08:00 |
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這個比例的話，是不是會後我再提供給委員？ |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-30T11:32:53.750000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-30T11:32:54.750000+08:00 |
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好，沒問題。 |
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0 |
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葉主任委員俊顯 |
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2026-04-30T11:32:54.310000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:32:56.090000+08:00 |
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因為我現在手上沒有。 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-30T11:32:56.090000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-30T11:32:57.090000+08:00 |
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沒有、沒有！ |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-30T11:32:57.090000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:33:01.911000+08:00 |
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如果你們有類似這樣的資料，是不是會後提供給本席，好不好？好、好。 |
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0.667 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-30T11:33:02.111000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:33:18.175000+08:00 |
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接下來我要請教您第二個問題，國發基金最近對於聯合再生的投資，你們開始釋出420萬股，所以國發基金大概現在只保留5.81%，當然也只剩下一席董事。 |
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0.984 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-30T11:33:20.219000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:33:28.446000+08:00 |
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國發基金說你們的階段性任務已經達成，我想請教什麼叫階段性任務已經達成？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-30T11:33:29.026000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:33:33.510000+08:00 |
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是表示政府未來會放棄綠能的發展嗎？ |
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0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-04-30T11:33:33.510000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:33:35.772000+08:00 |
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還是有其他的商業考量？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-04-30T11:33:36.213000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:33:54.115000+08:00 |
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沒有，就這個部分的話，我們不是放棄綠能發展，只是在我們的辦法裡面就有規定投資超過5年，我們就會檢討，假如這一個產業已經慢慢可以自己站起來的話，我們會慢慢地釋放一部分的股票出去。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-30T11:33:54.495000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-04-30T11:33:56.838000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
但聯合再生的股價還是一直在跌…… |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-30T11:33:56.838000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-04-30T11:33:57.838000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
沒有啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-30T11:33:57.378000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-04-30T11:34:06.967000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
你說投資超過5年要檢討，那應該是2024年，甚至更早之前就應該要開始檢討了，但到現在才開始去釋股？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-30T11:34:07.327000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-04-30T11:34:17.597000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
對，我們會有一個程序，因為前一陣子聯合再生的股票算還滿不錯的，所以我們那時候其實是有少部分在釋股，但是…… |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-30T11:34:19.038000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-04-30T11:34:24.279000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
總體投資來講，這一個投資是賺，還是賠？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-30T11:34:24.279000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
1 |
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2026-04-30T11:34:25.279000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
我們還是賺的。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-30T11:34:24.279000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-04-30T11:34:25.379000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
還是有賺吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-30T11:34:25.379000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-04-30T11:34:26.379000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
還是小賺啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-30T11:34:25.379000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-04-30T11:34:33.141000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
所以未來國發基金在做這一類的投資時，你們的評估作業要點是否會再做一些修正？會。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-30T11:34:33.581000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-04-30T11:34:43.323000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
我想有一些創新產業，當然一開始是不會賺錢，不曉得它後面會有什麼樣的變化，但你們是不是還是會持續做一些滾動性地檢討？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-30T11:34:44.123000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-04-30T11:34:58.168000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
是，這本來就是國發基金的目的，我們會扶持初期而且是新創的產業，我們會持續地關注，我們通常持有股票都是非常長的，不像民間的一些投顧公司那麼常進出股票，沒有、沒有！ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-30T11:34:58.268000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-04-30T11:35:07.072000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
我們都會考慮到這一個公司對於我們要扶持的產業，它的重要性是什麼，會把它列入考量。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.973 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-30T11:35:07.292000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-04-30T11:35:07.672000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-30T11:35:07.672000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-30T11:35:07.792000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
謝謝邱議瑩委員，主委先回座。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.417 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-30T11:35:08.292000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-04-30T11:35:11.434857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
下一位質詢請呂玉玲委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0 |