| IVOD_ID |
168746 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168746 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-22T12:05:28+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-22T12:14:19+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:51 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5b5880b40c5769f1c6335b78f6381d1af38d440c98c629e75c95c54bff74e416d6989c2027b9690b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡易餘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:05:28 - 12:14:19 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議(事由:一、邀請環境部部長、國家科學及技術委員會、交通部、經濟部、內政部、農業部、衛生福利部、國家發展委員會就「我國氣候變遷調適現況檢討與全球調適目標接軌之推動情形」進行專題報告,並備質詢。
二、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案關於環境部主管預算案。(公務及非營業特種基金預算案)
三、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款環境部主管部分預算。
四、審查環境部函送財團法人環境資源研究發展基金會等4家財團法人115年度預算書案。
【預算案僅詢答,115年4月30日下午5時截止收案】
【專題報告及討論事項綜合詢答】
【4月22日及23日二天一次會】) |
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謝謝主席那我們是有請環境部部長跟資源循環署今天是副署長副署長委員好保定好 |
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部長那因為最近大概整個這個戰爭的關係然後造成整個塑膠資材的包裝不管是商業用或是農用整個這個外包裝甚至是一些農用的包括農磨這一個數字之外我這是以前農用的 |
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介紹都起底啦介紹起底是因為整個大家那個叫預期心理大家都超買啦這個狀況但是我比較在意的就是說到底我們在推動的這些塑膠回收在農業的這一塊 |
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那目前到底有怎樣的一些進度嗎?因為現在看起來真的在檢討替代材料比方說用紙膜來代替濃膜的這件事情看起來在農業上就是沒有被很落實啦那這個原因是什麼?跟委員報告 |
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農模的回收其實這幾年來我們跟農業部農糧署那邊已經合作了幾年的時間由他們去補助一些限地小型的機具我們是輔導一些處理或再利用的業者讓農友所回收出來的農模可以方便處理另外一個問題就是說替代的材質因為比較涉及使用習慣等等 |
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因為第一個他可能還是要看他的成本,這個成本會比較高,看看是不是我們之後再跟農方這邊怎麼樣來商量第一個就是說,你要做替代材質成本是高的這件事情,為什麼成本會高? |
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原因在哪裡?因為用的人少所以它就沒有到達一個商業規模沒有辦法創造商業規模的話永遠成本就是那麼高就沒有一下降成本就要多人用而且技術也才會不斷地突破嘛在使用中才會有檢討 |
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所以我具體建議啦你們應該去找一些地方的因為現在地方的青龍很多啊會有一些青龍他們是有這樣的決心說我們是不是嘗試來用一些替代的一些材料 |
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那你的輔導他們去用,所謂的輔導就是說如何讓他們控制他們的成本的情況之下讓他們去使用就剛剛講的類似紙膜或替代絨膜因為它除了成本高之外還有一個就是說因為你用其他的就是說那一種會自動分解的你的時間也快了耶你現在的絨膜比如那個黑芒果它可以凍很久,有那個塑膠材料你如果要大家用那種會分解的 |
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農民也有跟我說 我就要來放 我要買一個收容棟放喔 就要放在城口 等到需要拿出來真的要上戰場了 哇 已經分解掉了自動分解了 還沒上戰場就分解掉了就很諷刺啦 這是怎麼樣呢 就表示說 |
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他們在設計上是不是要更符合整個農作農作的一個習慣要怎樣去調整他可能要技術要讓他長久的時間才會有分解的狀況這個以技術上 |
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可以去做像我們現在穿鞋子有一些都是屬於會分解的很久沒穿它會分解但是你如果持續有在穿它就不會分解現在技術真的是很厲害都有辦法達到這樣可是這一塊在農用的這一端看起來就是沒有被充分利用到這個很可惜 |
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我是覺得這個部分可以去檢討這個我也去考察過台灣本地就已經有這種公司他有這樣的能力那過去就是委員說到的市場機制不夠大家市場沒有打開那我們會想用這次這個機會來跟農業部來談一下把這樣的台灣已經有了這個技術可以鼓勵農民來做生意總是可以媒合嘛現在地方青農很多找青農朋友來 |
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說我們環境部也有怎樣的計畫我們去推動讓他們可以在成本沒有落差太大的情況之下讓他們去使用永固把意見回饋回來技術就會再提升我們還跟農業部來合作第二個就是剛剛講農畝的回收回到農畝的回收那我跟這些農友在講 |
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那我們現在嘉義省政府翁縣長我們有設立了一個回收場龍某可以去那邊做回收未來就是可以供再利用這個方向是對的但是 農民要參加農民要參加哇 那個議院也跑不出來幼嬰也跑不出來那為什麼會跑不出來呢因為他龍某回收必須要要求農民他要把那個龍某整個清乾淨水洗 |
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所以這個對農民來說他無形的成本是提高的他原本最原始他可能就是說我只要請人家來處理農業的一般廢棄物他一棟差不多三千五千塊那是他本來的成本我現在這個農務拿來我還要去水洗我還要去整個把它這個折好 |
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那身份責因為那東西要再請人工那身份就再管起來所以他們對於配合農牧回收這個塑膠回收的這件事誘因不出來 |
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誘因不出來 所以我也進一步 我就去找這個回收商在公司這邊 我就又跟他溝通說你不就創造誘因給 創造誘因給農民啊 你可以收多少啊結果他告訴我 他他們告訴我的原因啦 事實上這個都一環卡一環喔他們現在說的關鍵 |
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他現在講的這個關鍵就是說因為他現在這些東西回收來放在那裡準備就是他這邊只能做堆置可是他同樣的場域他就沒有辦法把它做為分解為量 |
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他同樣的場域沒辦法做這件事這一端他就等於得再去委託第三人哇 抱歉真正有利潤的是在這一端把塑膠變成涼肉這一端才是有利潤的但是這一端又是另外的公司了他跟農民沒有對接所以他也不可能在這一端有利潤的他把 |
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他創造誘因給農民那你現在叫這個他只是在負責堆製的回收商在負責堆製的回收商叫他創造誘因給農民他也擠不出利潤因為真正的利潤是要後面買到塑膠變成蠟的這塊 |
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所以我的意思就是說,這個土地利用,既然我們這裡都同意要讓它做堆置那為什麼不可以在同樣的場域,就讓它同樣,它那些要來歸的,一些建築、小房子,讓它可以直接同樣的場域把這些塑膠把它轉換回去 |
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那這個中間又要求說,那你中間如果有增加的利潤,你必須要回饋給農民,讓農民有辦法有這樣的誘因,他們去配合,他們去配合說他要怎樣,農民收回來,他們都怕回收,他們如果不怕回收,就是拿去分化綠燒 |
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我剛才說的他們一棟開清五坑的鐵基分化路線對他們來說比較貴我們要怎麼把這個誘因利用剛剛講的這樣的一個後端的處理機制創造誘因給前端的農民這個我覺得黃金部就應該要去想了那我剛剛也有講出目前的困境所在 |
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好 委員這個部分我會來跟農業部來協商然後我們找出一些好的案例然後把這個機制把它建立起來對 農業部那邊可能就是卡土地的一個利用啦我覺得既然我們同意那裡已經可以堆置農磨是讓土地利用如果在這個部分鬆綁的話可以把這樣的一個農磨這樣的一個塑膠回收把它做得更加的落實更加徹底好不好好 我來努力好 謝謝委員好 謝謝蔡英瑜委員 |
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謝謝主席,有請環境部部長及資源循環署副署長。 |
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有請彭部長及資源循環署副署長。 |
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委員好。 |
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部長,最近大概因為戰爭的關係,造成整個塑膠資材包裝價格上漲,不管是商業用或是農用的外包裝,甚至包括農膜的價格都上漲,價格上漲是因為預期心理,導致大家都有超買的狀況。 |
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0.733 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-22T12:06:25.140000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:06:34.889000+08:00 |
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我比較在意的是我們所推動的農業用塑膠回收,目前到底有怎樣的一些進度嗎? |
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0.879 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-22T12:06:35.009000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:06:49.536000+08:00 |
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現在我們在檢討替代材料,比方說用紙膜來代替農膜這件事情,看起來在農業上並沒有被落實,請問這個原因是什麼? |
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0.875 |
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彭部長啓明 |
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2026-04-22T12:06:49.536000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:06:50.536000+08:00 |
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我請副署長來說明。 |
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許副署長智倫 |
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2026-04-22T12:06:49.536000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:07:14.318000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告,關於農膜的回收,其實這幾年來,我們跟農業部農糧署那邊已經合作了幾年的時間,由他們去補助一些現地小型的機具,我們則是輔導處理或再利用的業者,讓農友所回收的農膜可以方便處理。 |
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許副署長智倫 |
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2026-04-22T12:07:14.698000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:07:36.115000+08:00 |
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另外一個問題是替代材質因為涉及使用習慣等等,第一個可能還是要看它的成本,這個成本會比較高,我們看看是不是之後再跟農方怎麼樣來商量,因為那個部分…… |
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0.866 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-22T12:07:38.116000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:07:43.300000+08:00 |
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第一個是你要做替代材質成本是高的這件事情,為什麼成本會高? |
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1 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-22T12:07:44.201000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:07:45.302000+08:00 |
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原因在哪裡? |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-22T12:07:45.302000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:07:52.851000+08:00 |
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因為用的人少,所以它就沒有到達一個商業規模,如果沒有辦法創造商業規模的話,成本永遠就是這麼高。 |
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0.791 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-22T12:07:52.851000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:08:00.379000+08:00 |
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你要讓它的成本下降,就必須多一點人使用,技術也才會不斷突破,因為在使用中才會有檢討。 |
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0.684 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-22T12:08:01.340000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:08:28.577000+08:00 |
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所以我具體建議你們應該去找一些地方的青農,因為現在地方的青農很多,有一些青農有這樣的決心想要嘗試使用一些替代材料,你們要輔導他們去使用,所謂的輔導就是如何在控制成本的情況之下讓他們去使用剛剛所講的紙膜或替代農膜。 |
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0.871 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-22T12:08:29.157000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:08:36.618000+08:00 |
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因為它除了成本高之外,還有一個問題就是你用那一種會自動分解的,其實它的時間也不好抓。 |
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0.795 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-22T12:08:37.338000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:08:49.945000+08:00 |
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以現在的農膜來講,比如黑網子它可以撐很久,因為它是塑膠材料,如果你要改用那種會分解的資材,農民也曾跟我反映他們買了一定的數量存放在倉庫,等到需要時想把它拿出來用,真的要上戰場了,結果它卻已經自動分解了,還沒有上戰場它就已經分解掉了,這就很諷刺啊! |
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0.619 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-22T12:08:49.985000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:08:50.085000+08:00 |
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這是什麼情況呢? |
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0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-22T12:08:50.105000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:09:20.423000+08:00 |
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這就表示在設計上是不是要更符合整個農作的習慣,看看要怎麼調整,至少要讓它撐多久的時間才會有分解的狀況,這個在技術上可以去做。 |
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0.828 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-22T12:09:20.803000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:09:41.284000+08:00 |
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像我們現在穿的鞋子也有一些是屬於會分解的,很久沒穿它會分解,但如果持續有在穿它就不會分解,現在技術真的是很厲害,都有辦法達到這樣,可是在農用的這一端,看起來就是沒有被充分利用到,這個很可惜,我覺得這個部分可以去檢討。 |
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0.98 |
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許副署長智倫 |
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2026-04-22T12:09:41.284000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:09:57.648000+08:00 |
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謝謝委員,我也去考察過臺灣本地就已經有這種公司,他有這樣的能力,過去就像委員說到的市場機制不夠,市場沒有打開,我們會想利用這次機會來跟農業部談一下,把這種臺灣已經有的技術,可以鼓勵農民來使用,我們會來想辦法。 |
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0.821 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-22T12:09:58.108000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:09:59.448000+08:00 |
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是啊,總是可以媒合嘛! |
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0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-22T12:09:59.688000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:10:13.211000+08:00 |
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現在地方青農很多,找青農朋友來,告訴他們環境部有怎樣的計畫在推動,在成本沒有落差太大的情況之下,讓他們去使用,用久之後他們就會把意見回饋回來,那麼技術就會再提升。 |
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0.811 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
許副署長智倫 |
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2026-04-22T12:10:13.371000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:10:14.192000+08:00 |
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好,我們會跟農業部合作。 |
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0.8 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-22T12:10:14.212000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:10:44.747000+08:00 |
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第二個就是剛剛講到的農膜回收,現在我們回到農膜的回收,我跟農友在講,現在嘉義縣政府翁縣長有設立一個回收場,農膜可以去那邊做回收,未來就是可以供再利用,這個方向是對的,但是農民要參加的意願出不來,誘因也出不來,為什麼會出不來呢? |
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0.748 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-22T12:10:45.188000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:10:54.394000+08:00 |
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因為農膜回收時要求農民必須把農膜整個清乾淨、水洗,然後把它摺好,這對農民來說無形的成本是提高的。 |
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0.705 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-22T12:10:54.654000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:11:33.233000+08:00 |
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原本他可能只要請人來處理一般的農業廢棄物,一噸差不多1,500元至3,000元,這是他原來的成本;如果現在要農膜回收,他還要水洗、還要把它摺好,那麼成本就高了,因為那還要請人來做,所以成本就增加了,也因此對於配合農膜回收、塑膠回收的這件事情誘因出不來。 |
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0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-22T12:11:33.233000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:11:44.757000+08:00 |
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所以我也進一步再去東石那邊找回收商,我就跟他溝通說:你要創造誘因給農民,這樣你可以收更多啊! |
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0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-22T12:11:45.557000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:11:50.839000+08:00 |
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結果他們告訴我其中的原因,事實上這個都是一環卡一環。 |
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0.875 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-22T12:11:50.859000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:12:10.243000+08:00 |
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部長,他現在說的關鍵就是這些東西回收過來,它放在那邊只能堆置,可是同樣的場域它就沒有辦法把它分解為粒子。 |
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0.854 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-22T12:12:12.691000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:12:35.319000+08:00 |
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同樣的場域沒辦法做這件事情,這一端它就等於得再去委託第三人,結果真正有利潤的是在這一端,也就是把塑膠變成粒子的這一端才是有利潤的,但是這一端又是另外的公司了,他跟農民沒有對接,所以有利潤的這一端也不可能創造誘因給農民。 |
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| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-22T12:12:36.039000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:12:47.393000+08:00 |
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你現在叫這個只是負責堆置的回收商創造誘因給農民,他也擠不出利潤來,因為真正的利潤是在後面把塑膠變成粒子的這一端。 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-22T12:12:50.797000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:13:22.435000+08:00 |
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所以我的意思是,針對土地利用,既然都已經同意要讓它堆置了,為什麼不可以在同樣的場域就讓它……其實只要把建築、消防方面規劃好,它就可以直接在同樣的場域把塑膠轉換成粒子,其實我們也可以要求如果在這中間有增加的利潤就必須回饋給農民,讓農民有這樣的誘因願意配合把農膜收回來,都用回收的方式,如果不用回收的方式,他們就是拿去焚化爐燒掉耶! |
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| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-22T12:13:31.362000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:13:31.822000+08:00 |
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我剛才說的他們一噸花1,500元就是拿去焚化爐燒掉,對他們來說這樣比較乾脆啊! |
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0.485 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-22T12:13:31.822000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:13:34.704000+08:00 |
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我們要怎麼利用剛剛講的後端處理機制,創造誘因給前端的農民,我覺得這個問題環境部就應該要去想了,我剛剛也有講出目前的困境所在。對。 |
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0.881 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
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2026-04-22T12:13:49.514000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:13:57.120000+08:00 |
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委員,針對這個部分,我會來跟農業部協商,我們找出一些好的案例,然後把這個機制建立起來,我們來試看看。 |
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0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-22T12:13:57.120000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:13:59.122000+08:00 |
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農業部那邊可能就是卡土地的利用啦! |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-22T12:13:59.842000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:14:08.088000+08:00 |
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我覺得既然我們已經同意那裡可以堆置農膜,事實上土地利用如果在這個部分鬆綁的話,就可以把這些農膜、塑膠的回收做得更加落實、更加徹底,好不好? |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.841 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
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2026-04-22T12:14:08.108000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:14:08.249000+08:00 |
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好,我來努力。 |
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| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
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部長,麻煩你了,謝謝。謝謝。 |
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主席 |
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謝謝蔡易餘委員發言。 |
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主席 |
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接下來請翁曉玲委員發言。 |
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