| IVOD_ID |
168404 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168404 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-09T11:31:45+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-09T11:41:03+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:18 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fe6424cd58e46bc7241434a66fd61452b509ad0e4ca3d866155eb231b4402889db33f131730d363f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐欣瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:31:45 - 11:41:03 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部部長、國土管理署署長、交通部次長就「加速落實人本交通環境-檢討『永續提升人行安全計畫』執行現況、簡化審核行政流程及協助地方政府改善行人安全設施之精進作為」進行專題報告並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席本席有請劉部長還有陳次長部長次長 |
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部長還有次長我想請教首先請教讓人民可以安心走路不是靠勇氣也不是靠運氣更不是靠習慣忍耐那這個不是交通問題是國家治理的底線請問部長跟次長認同嗎同意嗎回答一下吧 |
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報告委員我們從來就不會認為說這個人行道的安全或者是交通安全是要靠勇氣天下沒有這樣子的公共治理政策是國家治理或者是中央跟地方政府一起來治理那次長也認同吧認同剛才劉部長的說法所以第一個問題本席想請教兩位我們四年400億內政部260億交通部140億 |
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我們看到從112年到114年底你們的報告裡面寫行人死亡只下降了6.8%所以本席想請教部長跟市長這樣的成效你們認為人民可以接受嗎 |
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想跟委員做一個說明原則上就我的問題回來你們覺得人民可以接受我剛才有在其他的答詢過只要有人員的死亡對於行政部門都是無法接受的都是我們需要深刻檢討的本席所指的是這個兩年我們發現下降了6.8這樣的成效您個人可以接受嗎 |
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呃這個我因為我每個月我都主持相關的這個道安會報我都會說呃持續是在下降的一個趨勢但是呢他的成果不盡理想需要大家中央跟地方大家共同繼續努力那劉部長您對這樣的覺得這樣的成效人民可以我認同剛剛部長呃剛剛那個交通部次長講的話我們來持續精進那本席的問題是你認為人民可以接受 |
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第一個我沒有辦法代表人民但是我跟委員報告我跟委員報告我們所提供的數據是114年較112年但是整體的這個計畫他是跨到117年所以我們持續在精進當中我當然知道你的回答我都知道但我的問題是你覺得人民可以接受嗎你認為嗎你的看法我不敢代表人民 |
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我無法代表全體人民我只能說站在我們政府的立場上面會有持續精進持續精進那本席請教兩位如果一個已經改善過的路口他還是發生了死亡事故請問因為這經費來自內政部跟交通部請問有沒有回頭檢討的這種制度有沒有 |
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就在過去我們這樣一直做我們很多的工程很多的標線那等於是如果當然我有看到裡面目前這一次這四年的計劃案只有155件完成那所以本席問的是制度就是說你針對你已經做過的工程包含過去我們為了人本交通或為了行人的安全我們 |
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已經完成的有沒有在做後續到底他改善的情況或者甚至他又發生了重大的事故那當然事故有很多原因那本席要問的有沒有回頭檢討的制度所有的計畫都有before after的評估所以剛才特別講到 |
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即便我們人本的這個計畫我們也有相關的評估說它是改善有什麼樣的一個成效那委員剛才特別提到說如果說有重大事故其實重大事故大概都是指死亡的事故那死亡的事故我們了解各縣市的這個道安會報他們或者警察單位他們都會針對這個來做個案的review來尋求這個到底是如何造成的然後再繼續改善都會有 |
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那我們中央 因為錢是中央撥的嘛那中央這邊等於就他們他的成效會顯現在他的這個道安的這個整體的死亡人數上那我們每個月都會去review他這樣各縣市的一個情形來督促他們做改善所以有 我們有KPI嗎 |
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有啊我們每個縣市我們大概都有因為我們宣告說有降一定的比例所以每個縣市我們都會有給他自己的成效跟自己比每一年大概是減少多少怎麼樣每個月的情形怎麼樣然後如果每個月的情形有惡化的趨勢的話我們就會特別提醒他要做相關的改善像這些KPI人民會知道嗎人民看得到嗎 |
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我們把這樣的一個各縣市的一個成果公布在我們的所謂的交通總動員上 安全的總動員上人民還是可以看得到各縣市的一個成果那個是不是有什麼要補充給次郎不是 他是要告訴我說網站 我們交通安全總動員的網站那本席也想請教就是說 因為 |
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這個政府在施政然後給經費然後地方政府執行那真正感受的或者是好壞就是民眾像這一些比如說我們的KBI裡面有沒有民調有沒有座談會或公聽會 |
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再更細的話 各縣市政府呢因為我們每一年大概都會有盜安就是你們給經費你們在這一塊的掌握我現在就講說他每一年我們都會有盜安督導匯報到各縣市去就是去督導那督導的時候呢他們都會提出他們的相關的一個民意調查的一個結果所以這個是給經費的時候必要的一定要有民調這在各縣市政府都會來做有做房會或公聽會嗎 |
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座談會公聽會就要依照他自己改善的一個必要性他會來召開本席這樣問的意思就是說因為我們中央給經費是不是可以有一些明確的規範要地方政府一起來做譬如剛剛我們一開始提到的 |
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他改善了結果還是一直發生那有這種情況的時候我們等於是給經費的中央單位對地方的規範是什麼有沒有明確一點我們在相關的申請須知裡頭或者相關的規範裡頭都有要求連續三年要將他的改善的情形來提報出來所以有連續的追蹤的機制在裡面然後有沒有確實執行 |
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當然要啊 他有這樣的話因為我們呢是在我們交通部是由公路局各區的這個工程處他們來負責督導所以他們每個月都會有跟相關的交通或公路工程的單位來做討論所以現在除了交通部 那內政部拿了260億的話那內政部這邊的督導我相信內政部應該也有一定的機制 |
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報告委員我們各地的警察局跟交通隊天天都在宣導交通安全所以不是只有技術面的改善宣導當然是一塊那宣導的部分就是也是在做民調我們是針對工程的成效還有民眾的感受軟硬體都要一起但是本席問的是這一塊而且每個里長或者是鄉鎮長如果有這樣子的狀況的話我們幾乎都會到現場因為那個各地警察都會有交通隊他們一定都知道這個狀況所以會 |
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所以我們國土署給下去的經費那如果改善之後還是發生了這種重大事故我們有這種機制報告委員您把這個實際上的案例告訴我們一定會來檢討改進 |
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所以我本席今天質詢最大的重點就是說人本交通它不只是工程更重要的是責任我們希望可以把這種理念變成一種制度再把制度變成責任那我們最後我們政府的這種責任就是要把它變成每一條讓人民真正安全的道路這一塊我們希望的是落實而且是讓民眾感受得到 |
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好 謝謝部長跟次長 謝謝 |
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謝謝主席。 |
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本席有請劉部長，還有陳次長。 |
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部長、次長。 |
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部長、次長，我首先請教，讓人民可以安心走路，不是靠勇氣，也不是靠運氣，更不是靠習慣、忍耐，這個不是交通問題，是國家治理的底線。 |
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請問部長跟次長認同嗎？ |
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同意嗎？ |
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回答一下。 |
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劉部長世芳 |
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報告委員，我們從來就不會認為人行道的安全或者是交通安全是要靠勇氣，天下沒有這樣子的公共治理政策。 |
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是國家治理。 |
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是國家治理，或者是中央跟地方政府一起治理。 |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.737 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-04-09T11:32:46.839000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-04-09T11:32:48.701000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
對，很好！ |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-04-09T11:32:48.701000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-04-09T11:32:49.682000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
次長也認同吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-04-09T11:32:50.983000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-04-09T11:32:52.424000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
認同剛才劉部長的說法。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-04-09T11:32:55.046000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-04-09T11:33:18.985000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
第一個問題本席想請教兩位，4年400億，內政部260億、交通部140億，我們看到從112年到114年底，你們的報告裡面寫行人死亡只下降了6.8%，所以本席想請教部長跟次長，這樣的成效，你們認為人民可以接受嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.987 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-04-09T11:33:23.010000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-04-09T11:33:26.192000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
跟委員作個說明，原則上…… |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-04-09T11:33:27.013000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-04-09T11:33:29.555000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
就我的問題回答，你們覺得人民可以接受…… |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-04-09T11:33:30.235000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-04-09T11:33:39.161000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
我剛才有答詢過其他委員，只要有人員的死亡，對於行政部門都是無法接受，都是我們需要深刻檢討的。 |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-04-09T11:33:39.181000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-04-09T11:33:47.467000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
本席所指的是我們發現兩年下降了6.8%，這樣的成效您個人可以接受嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-04-09T11:33:50.283000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-04-09T11:34:02.326000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
因為每個月我都主持相關的道安會報，我都會說持續是在下降的趨勢，但是它的成果不盡理想，需要中央跟地方大家共同繼續努力。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.981 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-04-09T11:34:03.067000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-04-09T11:34:06.908000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
劉部長，您覺得這樣的成效，人民可以接受？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-04-09T11:34:07.068000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-04-09T11:34:11.369000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
我認同剛剛交通部次長講的話，我們持續精進。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-04-09T11:34:12.449000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-04-09T11:34:13.409000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
本席的問題是…… |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-04-09T11:34:13.409000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-04-09T11:34:14.409000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
報告委員…… |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-04-09T11:34:13.929000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-04-09T11:34:15.150000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
你認為人民可以接受這樣…… |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-04-09T11:34:16.894000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-04-09T11:34:20.477000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
第一個，我沒有辦法代表人民，但是我跟委員報告…… |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-04-09T11:34:20.477000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-04-09T11:34:21.578000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
你沒有代表人民，是我請教您，您覺得人民對這樣的成果…… |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-04-09T11:34:21.578000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-04-09T11:34:33.768000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
我跟委員報告，我們所提供的數據是114年到112年，但是整體計畫是跨到117年，所以我們持續在精進當中。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.974 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-04-09T11:34:35.709000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-04-09T11:34:40.533000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
對，我當然知道，你的回答我都知道，但我的問題是你覺得人民可以接受嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-04-09T11:34:40.533000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-04-09T11:34:41.974000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
你認為嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-04-09T11:34:41.974000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-04-09T11:34:42.395000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
你的看法？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-04-09T11:34:42.535000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-04-09T11:34:46.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
我不敢代表人民，我無法代表全體人民…… |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-04-09T11:34:46.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-04-09T11:34:47.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
好，沒關係！ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-09T11:34:46.460000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-04-09T11:34:51.062000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
我只能說站在我們政府的立場上面會持續精進。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-09T11:34:51.062000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-04-09T11:34:52.223000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
好，持續精進。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-04-09T11:34:52.543000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-04-09T11:35:08.710000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
本席請教兩位，如果一個已經改善過的路口還是發生了死亡事故，因為經費來自內政部跟交通部，請問有沒有回頭檢討的制度？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-04-09T11:35:09.631000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-04-09T11:35:09.851000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
有沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-09T11:35:11.796000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-04-09T11:35:17.058000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
在過去我們一直做很多的工程、很多的標線…… |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-09T11:35:17.058000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-04-09T11:35:19.679000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
我的了解…… |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-09T11:35:19.679000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-04-09T11:35:53.309000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
當然我有看到裡面這次4年的計畫案只有155件完成，所以本席問的是制度，就是你針對已經做過的工程，包含過去為了人本交通或是為了行人的安全，已經完成的有沒有再做後續改善情況的檢討，甚至又發生重大事故，當然事故有很多原因，本席要問的是有沒有回頭檢討的制度？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-09T11:35:54.290000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-04-09T11:36:05.675000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
我跟委員報告，所有的計畫都有before、after的評估，所以剛才一直特別講到，即便這個人本的計畫，我們也都有相關的評估，有什麼樣的改善成效。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-09T11:36:06.215000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-04-09T11:36:12.177000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
委員剛才特別提到如果有重大事故，其實重大事故大概都是指死亡事故……對。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.968 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-09T11:36:12.977000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-04-09T11:36:27.242000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
死亡事故就我們的了解，各縣市的道安會報或者警察單位都會針對這個做個案的review，尋求到底是如何造成的，然後再繼續改善，這樣的機制都有。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.891 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-09T11:36:30.022000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-04-09T11:36:35.224000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
因為錢是中央撥的，中央就他們的作法、成效…… |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.722 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-09T11:36:35.444000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-04-09T11:36:48.407000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
它的成效會顯現在道安整體的死亡人數上，我們每個月都會去review各縣市的情形，督促他們改善。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.977 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-09T11:36:49.067000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-04-09T11:36:52.290000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
所以我們有KPI嗎？有啊！都有？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-09T11:36:53.211000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-04-09T11:37:15.386000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
每個縣市大概都有……因為我們宣告有一定的比例，所以每個縣市自己的成效都會跟自己比，看每一年大概減少多少，然後每個月的情形怎麼樣，如果每個月的情形有惡化趨勢的話，我們就會特別提醒要做相當的改善。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.932 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-09T11:37:15.846000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-04-09T11:37:18.047000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
這些KPI人民會知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-09T11:37:18.047000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-04-09T11:37:18.688000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
人民看得到嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-09T11:37:19.028000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-04-09T11:37:29.631000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
我們把各縣市的成果公布在交通安全總動員上，人民還是可以看得到各縣市的成果。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-09T11:37:30.411000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-09T11:37:32.252000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
幕僚是不是有什麼要補充給次長的？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-09T11:37:35.373000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-04-09T11:37:40.314000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
他是要告訴我有交通安全總動員的網站。OK！ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-09T11:37:40.674000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-04-09T11:37:59.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
本席也想請教，中央施政、給經費，由地方政府執行，真正感受好壞的就是民眾，在KPI裡面有沒有民調？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-09T11:37:59.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-04-09T11:38:00.801000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
有沒有座談會或公聽會？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-09T11:38:03.411000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-09T11:38:07.234000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
再更細的話，各縣市政府因為每一年都會有道安…… |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-09T11:38:07.975000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-09T11:38:10.577000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
就是你們給經費，然後你們在這一塊的掌握。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-09T11:38:10.597000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-04-09T11:38:23.487000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
對，我現在就是說每一年都會有道安督導會報到各縣市去督導，督導的時候都會提出相關的民意調查結果。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-09T11:38:25.129000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-09T11:38:27.911000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
這是給經費的時候必要的、一定要有民調？ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-09T11:38:28.531000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-04-09T11:38:29.893000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
各縣市政府都會處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-04-09T11:38:31.053000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-04-09T11:38:32.114000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
有座談會或公聽會嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-04-09T11:38:33.693000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-04-09T11:38:39.959000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
座談會、公聽會就要依照它自己改善的必要性來召開。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-04-09T11:38:39.959000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-04-09T11:38:48.266000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
本席這樣問的意思就是，因為是中央給經費，是不是可以有一些明確的規範要地方政府一起來做？ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.975 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-04-09T11:38:48.526000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-04-09T11:39:02.155000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
譬如剛剛我們一開始提到的，它改善過了，結果還是一直發生，有這種情況的時候，給經費的中央單位對地方的規範是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-04-09T11:39:02.155000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-04-09T11:39:04.857000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
有沒有明確一點的？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-04-09T11:39:04.857000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-04-09T11:39:15.283000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
跟委員報告一下，剛才同仁跟我講，我們在相關的申請須知裡或者相關的規範裡，都有要求連續三年要將改善情形提報出來，所以是有連續追蹤的機制。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.758 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-04-09T11:39:16.004000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-04-09T11:39:16.784000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
有連續追蹤，但有沒有確實執行？ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.538 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-04-09T11:39:18.815000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-04-09T11:39:19.135000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
當然要啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-04-09T11:39:24.598000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-04-09T11:39:36.144000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
交通部是由公路局各區工程處負責督導，所以每個月都會跟交通相關的公路、工程單位討論。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-04-09T11:39:36.445000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-04-09T11:39:40.687000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
除了交通部，內政部拿了260億的話，內政部這邊的督導呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-04-09T11:39:40.687000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-04-09T11:39:42.308000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
我相信內政部應該也有一定的機制。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-04-09T11:39:42.888000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-04-09T11:39:49.153000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
報告委員，各地警察局和交通隊天天都在宣導交通安全，所以不是只有技術面的改善，包括…… |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.919 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-04-09T11:39:49.173000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-04-09T11:39:50.514000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
宣導當然是一塊。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-04-09T11:39:50.674000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-04-09T11:39:53.076000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
宣導的部分也是在做民調。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-04-09T11:39:53.076000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-04-09T11:39:55.938000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
我們是針對工程的成效，還有民眾的感受。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-04-09T11:39:55.938000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-04-09T11:39:57.319000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
沒有、沒有！ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-04-09T11:39:57.319000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-04-09T11:39:58.160000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
不只、不只，軟硬體都要一起…… |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-04-09T11:39:58.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-04-09T11:40:01.382000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
當然不只，但是本席問的是這一塊。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-04-09T11:40:01.382000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-04-09T11:40:09.949000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
那個大家都知道，而且每個里長或者是鄉鎮長如果有這樣的狀況的話，我們幾乎都會到現場，因為各地警察都會有交通隊，他們一定都知道這個狀況，會後…… |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-04-09T11:40:09.949000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-04-09T11:40:23.145000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
所以國土署給下去的經費，如果改善之後還是發生這種重大事故，我們有這種機制嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-04-09T11:40:23.465000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-04-09T11:40:26.849000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
報告委員，您把實際上的案例告訴我們，我們一定會來檢討改進。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-04-09T11:40:28.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-04-09T11:40:57.203000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
好，所以本席今天質詢最大重點就是，人本交通不只是工程，更重要的是責任，我們希望可以把這種理念變成一種制度，再把制度變成責任，最後政府的責任就是要把它變成每一條讓人民真正安全的道路，這一塊我們希望的是落實，而且是讓民眾感受得到，謝謝部長跟次長。 |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.991 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-04-09T11:40:57.703000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-04-09T11:41:00.845857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
下一位請邱志偉委員發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0 |