| IVOD_ID |
168268 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168268 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-08T11:47:58+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-08T11:58:32+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:34 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/70d8fc05dcd8abb020b972523486ade72d46cf68b7d09b753efd812baa63ee5882b6391befdefecc5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐欣瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:47:58 - 11:58:32 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：【變更議程】
一、審查委員羅智強等23人擬具「公職人員選舉罷免法增訂第二十四條之一條文草案」案。二、審查委員徐欣瑩等17人擬具「公職人員選舉罷免法第一百三十三條條文修正草案」案。三、審查委員林宜瑾等20人擬具「公職人員選舉罷免法第十四條條文修正草案」案。四、審查委員張雅琳等19人擬具「公職人員選舉罷免法第十四條及第一百三十四條條文修正草案」案。五、審查委員范雲等17人擬具「公職人員選舉罷免法第十四條條文修正草案」案。六、審查委員柯志恩等18人擬具「公職人員選舉罷免法第十四條條文修正草案」案。七、審查委員陳菁徽等17人擬具「公職人員選舉罷免法第十四條條文修正草案」案。八、審查委員陳玉珍等17人擬具「公職人員選舉罷免法第二十六條條文修正草案」案。九、審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「公職人員選舉罷免法第二十六條條文修正草案」案。十、審查委員林淑芬等23人擬具「公職人員選舉罷免法第二十六條條文修正草案」案。十一、審查委員翁曉玲等16人擬具「公職人員選舉罷免法第二十六條條文修正草案」案。十二、審查委員林宜瑾等22人擬具「公職人員選舉罷免法第二十六條條文修正草案」案。十三、審查委員林宜瑾等20人擬具「總統副總統選舉罷免法第十一條及第二十三條條文修正草案」案。十四、審查委員張雅琳等19人擬具「總統副總統選舉罷免法第十一條、第二十三條及第一百十七條條文修正草案」案。十五、審查委員范雲等17人擬具「總統副總統選舉罷免法第十一條及第二十三條條文修正草案」案。十六、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具「總統副總統選舉罷免法第十一條及第二十三條條文修正草案」案。十七、審查委員翁曉玲等16人擬具「總統副總統選舉罷免法第二十六條條文修正草案」案。十八、審查委員林宜瑾等20人擬具「總統副總統選舉罷免法第二十六條條文修正草案」案。
【僅詢答；第十一案及第十七案如經復議則不予審查】） |
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好 謝謝主席 本席有請劉部長麻煩部長部長 本席就直接從你們內政部的報告開始來問你們有提到反對放寬緩刑參選的限制 |
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那理由是端正罪行觀念貫徹清廉參選那所以本席要先問一個最基本的問題就是說如果一個人犯的是輕罪檢察官認為他有悔意不需要處罰給予他還起訴請問他可不可以參選 |
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緩起訴跟緩刑不一樣對啊我現在就先問緩起訴嘛緩起訴可以吧報告委員這個部分因為我們在座有法律專家包括法務部跟司法院你可不可以請教他們會比較好因為緩起訴跟緩刑啊基本上也就是法官或者是起訴的檢察官因為我們在討論選罷法嘛我知道我知道我們的立場您剛說您看過書面資料了嘛所以我們的立場非常的清楚所以我所以你是照我的問題問嗎回答嘛緩起訴跟緩刑確實是不一樣啦 |
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沒有 我沒有問一不一樣 我說他是這個 一個人如果他這個司法機關給他緩起訴 那他可不可以參選嗎可以嘛 對不對 答案是可以所以我還沒談到緩刑 你不用那麼急嘛緩起訴可不可以參選 |
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你是選政機關吧你內政部目前你是選政機關緩起訴所以你看緩起訴可以參選啊,站在你們的立場是可以的,你答不出來我是不是請我們民政司長跟您回應一下好不好因為我的意見跟他相左,我想民政司長他會比較有實務經驗 |
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不是 部長你要清楚知道還期數 一個人被還期數他有沒有參選資格嘛 部長你回答我這問題 我本席請教您啊可以有參選資格 但是我剛有提到說第一個我們並不因人設事 還有就是一定要完全三審定讞才算對嘛 對嘛 所以還期數的話有參選資格嘛 |
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對 有參選那如果同樣是輕罪這個案件進入到法院法官審理後一樣認為他不需要入監不需要實際執行刑罰那給予他緩刑那請問他可不可以參選 |
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依照現行的規定是不可以對依照現行規定是不行的所以這個就提到一個問題的核心了我們同樣是不用入監服刑的輕罪但是呢也同樣是司法機關認定的無需實體的刑罰但是因為這個程序不同一個是檢察官給他緩起訴他可以參選法院法官給他緩刑 |
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他不能參選所以這個部分我們想知道他的正當性在哪裡在之前審查的時候因為考慮到緩刑他的罪行還是存在所以因為他罪行還是存在緩刑的期間還沒過的話但是他很輕很輕輕到可能去掃地啊去服務老人或罰個錢這樣 |
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那因為基本上他有法律規定如果判刑確定他的行企業還在這個還沒有過期的這種情況應該是不得參選也就是說這依據什麼樣這是個人認定吧不是 法律是這樣規定法律有規定 |
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他有罪在身,只要被判定有罪,他就不能參選,哪一條?法律哪一條有這樣規定?現在依照現行的規定,如果是判決所以我們現在在討論嘛,選罷法在討論嘛是在判決有罪確定的這種情況如果是有指鑼公權,這些也都不可以參選 |
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所以我們現在就講他緩刑嗎緩刑期間不能參選這個標準感覺上 |
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這個好像沒有一致的標準因為你們講貫徹清廉參選 那他緩刑期過了他也曾經有這個罪 他還是可以參選的嘛對 所以緩刑期間他的刑度還是在對 但是很輕微很輕微除非他已經過了緩刑的期間 那依照現行的規定 |
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你過了緩刑的期間當然就可以參選但是你的這個刑期還沒有過緩刑期間還沒過的話他如果再犯那又有 |
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這個要再度這個服刑的這種情況所以這個部分從這個參政的一個立場青年參政的立場希望說他完全那個罪行都沒有的這種情況來參政所以現在本席要問的就是說他一個人他可以在社會上生活他也可以就像正常人一樣工作納稅服務社會可是你們卻 |
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這個我們現在的法條就認為他不可以參政這個就不合理因為法官都認為他的情節是非常非常輕微的可能有各種複雜的因素才造成這樣那他已經像正常人在社會上工作納稅服務社會做所有事跟正常人都一樣但是我們現在的這個規定是不行的 |
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所以這一塊的限制的正當性在哪裡法院的判決或許有它的考量但這個有關參政的部分 |
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那全民的期待應該是青年的參政所以我剛剛已經講了 青年的參政 那他行期過了對 他行期過了他還是可以參政嘛所以從頭到尾就是在緩行期間 其實他也無異於常人所以就變成你們等於是 |
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做了一個不當的連結有一點過度限制他的基本權因為他的刑度還是在那因為這個緩刑有點是觀察期的這個概念所以你們認為在觀察期的期間已經過了他完全沒有問題當然可以參選現在這樣子啦我們也有一些人認為就是說所謂的排黑條款他是在對付重大的犯罪 |
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他不是在對付那些他已經繳罰款然後現在在掃地服役服社會勞動的這種人所以這一塊當然這個可能也會進入討論那只是在質詢的時候本席特別提最後本席也要請教就是說那我們現在討論的這些譬如說他可不可以登記參選那是不是要剝奪他的參政權他的資格如何設計請教一下部長 |
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這個是選務還選政 這個屬於選務還是選政我是請教部長 不好意思 部長 |
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選政的部分大概是政策面啦那選務的話就在執行層面上面有關於要不要剝奪他的這個被選舉權的部分是屬於選政但是就是說他自己要去登記參選的時候要提供什麼樣的資料來確定他有沒有參選資格是選務那現在本席最重要要請教部長我們台灣的這個選務跟選政沒有合一你的看法 |
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選務選政照理他應該合一但現在沒有現在你選政都在你內政部選務在中選會其實所以中選會他就不是一個獨立的一個機關一個獨立的選務選政合一的機關對此部長你怎麼看 |
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我不清楚就是選務跟選政沒有合一產生什麼樣的弊端可以請這個委員明確指示方向那我們才能夠針對這個來因為選務選政合一已經多年來都是這樣子的執行選務選政沒有合一多年來都是這樣執行選務選政分開來多年來都是這樣執行所以我們一直在想說為什麼選務選政不能合一這個問題啊 |
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那我也不清楚那個委員所提案說要選政選務合一他的優點在什麼地方我跟委員報告一下一條龍啊你看整個的選務是中選會辦那選政他應該要有獨立的整個的判斷各方面 |
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中選會現在在獨立判斷啊因為中選會的委員是大院通過的啊中選會能夠通過的這些部分我們內政部沒有辦法影響到但是選政的很多決策內政部他甚至講很多事情他還要報請內政部那都還是內政部在掌握啊 |
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有啦那個報告委員你現在講的可能是地方政府吧因為地方政府的選委會它幾乎都是有選舉的時候才會成立真正是屬於中選會的一個全職的人員比較少中選會現在也沒有任何選舉制度的權利那本席請教你現在中選會它有沒有任何針對選舉制度的權利 |
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沒有啊 這個他可以提出說這個整個都在內政部手中所以這一塊本席今天質詢主要就是提出來其實這一塊我們大家也應該要來正視選務跟選政應該要合一 |
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613.134 |
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628.884 |
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好 時間到了我們這個內政部應該很清楚現在選政還有整個選舉制度都你們在掌握但是中選會它就是選務而已它就只有選務這一塊有機會其實選務選政要合一好 OK 謝謝 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-04-08T11:47:59.889000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-04-08T11:48:00.069000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席。 |
| transcript.gazette[0].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-04-08T11:48:00.169000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-04-08T11:48:00.349000+08:00 |
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本席有請劉部長。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-04-08T11:48:00.349000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-04-08T11:48:00.389000+08:00 |
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麻煩部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-04-08T11:48:00.389000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-04-08T11:48:01.389000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
委員好！ |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-04-08T11:48:00.389000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-04-08T11:48:36.351000+08:00 |
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部長，本席就直接從內政部的報告開始來問，你們有提到反對放寬緩刑參選的限制，理由是「端正罪行觀念、貫徹清廉參選」，所以本席要先問一個最基本的問題，如果一個人犯的是輕罪，檢察官認為他有悔意，不需要處罰，給予他緩起訴，請問他可不可以參選？ |
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0.99 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-04-08T11:48:41.841000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-04-08T11:48:43.162000+08:00 |
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「緩起訴」跟「緩刑」不一樣。對啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-04-08T11:48:43.682000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-04-08T11:48:44.923000+08:00 |
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我現在就先問緩起訴嘛！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-04-08T11:48:45.443000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-04-08T11:48:46.084000+08:00 |
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緩起訴可以吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-04-08T11:48:47.064000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-04-08T11:48:52.607000+08:00 |
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報告委員，這個部分因為在座有法律專家，包括法務部跟司法院，你可不可以請教他們會比較好？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-04-08T11:48:52.787000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-04-08T11:48:56.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
因為基本上，「緩起訴」跟「緩刑」也就是法官或是起訴的檢察官…… |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-04-08T11:48:56.970000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-04-08T11:48:57.370000+08:00 |
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因為我們是在討論選罷法嘛！ |
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0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-04-08T11:48:57.450000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-04-08T11:49:01.132000+08:00 |
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我知道，你剛才說你看過書面資料了嘛！ |
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0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-04-08T11:49:01.692000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-04-08T11:49:03.693000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
所以我們的立場非常的清楚，我們希望…… |
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0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-04-08T11:49:04.054000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-04-08T11:49:04.654000+08:00 |
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你是不是可以照我的問題來回答？ |
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0.643 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-04-08T11:49:04.734000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-04-08T11:49:05.014000+08:00 |
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「緩起訴」跟「緩刑」確實是不一樣嘛！ |
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0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-04-08T11:49:10.546000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-04-08T11:49:22.539000+08:00 |
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我沒有問一不一樣，我是說如果司法機關給一個人緩起訴，那他可不可以參選嘛？ |
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0.848 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-04-08T11:49:22.539000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-04-08T11:49:22.839000+08:00 |
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可以嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-04-08T11:49:23.199000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-04-08T11:49:23.660000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-04-08T11:49:23.660000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-04-08T11:49:24.421000+08:00 |
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答案是可以嘛！ |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-04-08T11:49:26.183000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-04-08T11:49:30.427000+08:00 |
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我還沒有談到緩刑，你不用那麼急，請問緩起訴可不可以參選？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-04-08T11:49:30.427000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-04-08T11:49:33.578000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
報告委員…… |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-04-08T11:49:33.578000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-04-08T11:49:35.799000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
你是選政機關吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-04-08T11:49:36.939000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-04-08T11:49:45.160000+08:00 |
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內政部目前是選政機關，緩起訴可以參選啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-04-08T11:49:45.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-04-08T11:49:53.022000+08:00 |
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站在你們的立場是可以的，你答不出來，其實緩起訴是可以的。 |
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0.64 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-04-08T11:49:53.022000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-04-08T11:49:55.402000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
我請民政司長來跟你回應一下好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-04-08T11:49:55.662000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-04-08T11:49:58.803000+08:00 |
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因為我的意見跟他相左，我想民政司長比較有實務經驗。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-04-08T11:50:01.018000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-04-08T11:50:07.041000+08:00 |
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不是，部長，你要清楚的知道一個人被緩起訴有沒有參選的資格嘛！ |
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0.815 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-04-08T11:50:07.281000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-04-08T11:50:09.182000+08:00 |
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部長，你回答我這個問題，本席是請教你。 |
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0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-04-08T11:50:12.043000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-04-08T11:50:14.124000+08:00 |
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可以有參選的資格。 |
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0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-04-08T11:50:14.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-04-08T11:50:15.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
對、對、對，那你透過麥克風說可以有參選的資格嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-04-08T11:50:14.704000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-04-08T11:50:17.805000+08:00 |
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對，但是我剛剛有提到說，第一個，我們並不因人設事。 |
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0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-04-08T11:50:18.325000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-04-08T11:50:21.607000+08:00 |
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還有就是一定要完全三審定讞才算。對嘛！對嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-08T11:50:21.967000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-04-08T11:50:22.207000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
所以緩起訴是有參選資格嘛！ |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-08T11:50:22.207000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-04-08T11:50:26.929000+08:00 |
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它有條件啦！ |
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0.2 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-04-08T11:50:26.929000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-04-08T11:50:41.580000+08:00 |
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好，那如果同樣是輕罪，這個案件進到法院，法官審理後一樣認為他不需要入監、不需要實際的執行刑罰，給予他緩刑，請問他可不可以參選？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
鄭司長英弘 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-04-08T11:50:43.558000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-04-08T11:50:45.259000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
依照現行的規定是不可以。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-08T11:50:45.899000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-04-08T11:51:19.314000+08:00 |
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對，依照現行的規定是不行的，所以這個就提到了一個問題的核心，同樣是不用入監服刑的輕罪，也同樣是司法機關認定無需實體的刑罰，但是因為程序不同，一個是檢察官給他緩起訴，他可以參選；另一個是法院、法官給他緩刑，結果他不能參選，這個部分我們想知道它的正當性在哪裡？ |
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0.922 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
鄭司長英弘 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-08T11:51:19.314000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-04-08T11:51:24.695000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
在之前審查的時候，因為考慮到緩刑的罪行還是存在。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
鄭司長英弘 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-08T11:51:25.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-04-08T11:51:28.516000+08:00 |
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因為他的罪刑還是存在，緩刑的期間還沒有過的話…… |
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0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-08T11:51:28.516000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-04-08T11:51:33.198000+08:00 |
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但是他犯的罪很輕、很輕，輕到可能是去掃地、服務老人或是罰錢這樣。 |
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0.821 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
鄭司長英弘 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-08T11:51:35.299000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-04-08T11:51:45.368000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
基本上，法律規定如果判刑確定，他的刑期還沒有過的這個情況，應該是不得參選。 |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
鄭司長英弘 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-08T11:51:45.368000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-04-08T11:51:45.668000+08:00 |
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也就是說，現在判刑…… |
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0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-08T11:51:45.668000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-04-08T11:51:46.668000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
應該是不得參選？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-08T11:51:45.668000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-04-08T11:51:45.908000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
這是依據什麼？ |
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0.833 |
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徐委員欣瑩 |
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2026-04-08T11:51:45.908000+08:00 |
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2026-04-08T11:51:46.269000+08:00 |
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這是個人認定的吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
鄭司長英弘 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-08T11:51:46.289000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-04-08T11:51:46.789000+08:00 |
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不是，法律是這樣規定的。 |
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0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-08T11:51:46.809000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-04-08T11:52:01.081000+08:00 |
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法律有規定，只要他有罪在身，他被判定有罪，那他就不能參選？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.84 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-08T11:52:01.081000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-04-08T11:52:02.221000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
這是依據哪一條？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.429 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-08T11:52:02.221000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-04-08T11:52:03.582000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
法律哪一條有這樣規定？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
鄭司長英弘 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-08T11:52:04.643000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-08T11:52:08.225000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
依照現行的規定，如果是判決…… |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-08T11:52:08.225000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-04-08T11:52:11.667000+08:00 |
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對，這是現行的規定，所以我們現在在討論選罷法嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.619 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
鄭司長英弘 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-08T11:52:11.828000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-04-08T11:52:19.533000+08:00 |
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對，是在判決有罪確定的這種情況，如果有褫奪公權，那這些也都不可以參選。 |
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0.871 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-08T11:52:20.975000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-04-08T11:52:22.619000+08:00 |
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對，所以我們現在就講他「緩刑」嘛！ |
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0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-08T11:52:23.962000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-08T11:52:40.658000+08:00 |
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緩刑期間不能參選，這個感覺上好像沒有一致的標準，因為你們說要貫徹清廉參選，那他緩刑期間過了，他也曾經有這個罪，他還是可以參選嘛！ |
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0.948 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
鄭司長英弘 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-08T11:52:41.239000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-08T11:52:45.362000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
對，因為緩刑期間的刑度還是在。 |
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0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-08T11:52:46.122000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-04-08T11:52:47.584000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
對，但這個罪很輕微、很輕微。 |
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0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
鄭司長英弘 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-08T11:52:47.784000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-08T11:52:55.289000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
除非他已經過了緩刑的期間，依照現行的規定，你過了緩刑的期間，當然就可以參選。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
鄭司長英弘 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-08T11:52:55.289000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-04-08T11:53:16.625000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
但是你的刑期還沒有過，緩刑期間還沒有過的話，如果他再犯，那又有要再度服刑的情況，所以這個部分從清廉參政的立場，我們希望他可以在罪刑完全都沒有的情況再來參政，這樣對於政治清廉也比較有幫助。 |
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0.698 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-04-08T11:53:17.586000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-04-08T11:54:05.019000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
所以現在本席要問的就是，一個人可以在社會上生活，他也可以像正常人一樣工作、納稅和服務社會，可是現在的法條卻認為他不可以參政，這個就不合理，因為法官都認為他的情節是非常、非常輕微的，這可能有各種複雜的因素才會造成這樣，但是他已經像正常人一樣在社會上工作、納稅和服務社會，他可以做所有的事，跟正常人一樣，但是我們現在的規定他是不行參政的，這一塊限制的正當性在哪裡？ |
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0.903 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-04-08T11:54:05.019000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-04-08T11:54:06.019000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
你們講得出來嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
鄭司長英弘 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-04-08T11:54:05.019000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-04-08T11:54:14.553000+08:00 |
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法院的判決或許有它的考量，但是有關參政的部分，全民期待的應該是清廉參政，人民在選擇的時候，這個部分可能要另外做一個考慮。 |
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0.527 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-04-08T11:54:16.455000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-04-08T11:54:17.135000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
清廉參政我剛才已經講了。 |
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0.545 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-04-08T11:54:18.156000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-04-08T11:54:22.841000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
那他的刑期過了，他還是可以參政嘛！是的。 |
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0.765 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-04-08T11:54:23.661000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-04-08T11:54:39.109000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
所以從頭到尾就是在緩刑期間，其實他也無異於常人，等於是你們做了不當的連結，有一點過度的限制他的基本權。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.915 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
鄭司長英弘 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-04-08T11:54:39.109000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-04-08T11:54:46.211000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
因為他的刑度還是在，緩刑有一點像是觀察期的概念。 |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-04-08T11:54:46.451000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-04-08T11:54:49.252000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
所以你們認為在觀察期間…… |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
鄭司長英弘 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-04-08T11:54:49.812000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-04-08T11:54:52.353000+08:00 |
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如果觀察期過了，他完全沒有問題，那他當然就可以參政。好啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-04-08T11:54:52.613000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-04-08T11:54:53.173000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
這樣子啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-04-08T11:54:54.273000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-04-08T11:55:09.897000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
因為也有一些人認為所謂的排黑條款是在對付重大犯罪，它不是在對付那些已經繳罰款，然後現在在掃地、服社會勞動役的這種人。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-04-08T11:55:11.258000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-04-08T11:55:16.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
當然這一塊也會進入討論，只是在質詢的時候，本席特別提出來。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-04-08T11:55:23.302000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-04-08T11:55:25.002000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
他可不可以登記參選？ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-04-08T11:55:25.202000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-04-08T11:55:28.023000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
是不是要剝奪他的參政權？ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-04-08T11:55:28.023000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-04-08T11:55:29.864000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
他的資格要如何設計？ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-04-08T11:55:29.864000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-04-08T11:55:31.125000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
請教一下部長，這個是屬於選務？ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-04-08T11:55:31.125000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-04-08T11:55:31.145000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
還是選政？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-04-08T11:55:31.205000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-04-08T11:55:32.108000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
我是請教部長，不好意思！部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-04-08T11:55:39.081000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-04-08T11:55:43.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
選政的部分當然是政策面；選務的話就是在執行層面上碰到什麼樣的困擾。 |
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0.645 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-04-08T11:55:43.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-04-08T11:55:44.695500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
所以我們剛才討論的那個是選務？ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-04-08T11:55:44.695500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-04-08T11:55:46.267000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
還是選政？ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-04-08T11:55:46.267000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-04-08T11:55:50.009000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
有關於要不要剝奪他的被選舉權的部分是屬於選政。對嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-04-08T11:55:50.770000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-04-08T11:55:55.893000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
但是他要去登記參選的時候，他要提供什麼樣的資料…… |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-04-08T11:55:55.893000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-04-08T11:55:57.074000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
那個是選務。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-04-08T11:55:57.074000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-04-08T11:56:00.036000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
對，確定他有沒有參選的資格是選務。 |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-04-08T11:56:00.036000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-04-08T11:56:07.982000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
那現在本席最重要的是要請教部長，我們臺灣的選務跟選政沒有合一，你的看法？ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-04-08T11:56:09.530000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-04-08T11:56:21.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
選務和選政照理應該要合一，但是現在沒有，現在選政都在你內政部，選務在中選會，所以中選會就不是一個獨立的選務和選政合一的機關，對此部長你怎麼看？ |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-04-08T11:56:27.459000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-04-08T11:56:36.464000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
我不清楚選務跟選政沒有合一會產生什麼樣的弊端，可以請委員明確的指示方向，那我們才能夠針對這個來……。 |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.956 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-04-08T11:56:36.464000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-04-08T11:56:37.464000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
我不是說弊端。 |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-04-08T11:56:36.464000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-04-08T11:56:39.066000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
因為選務跟選政合一，多年來都是這樣子來執行…… |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-04-08T11:56:39.306000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-04-08T11:56:41.888000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
不是，選務跟選政沒有合一，多年來都是這樣執行，我們一直都…… |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.68 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-04-08T11:56:41.888000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-04-08T11:56:42.888000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
對不起！ |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-04-08T11:56:41.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-04-08T11:56:42.729000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
選務跟選政分開來，多年來都是這樣執行。 |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-04-08T11:56:42.909000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-04-08T11:56:45.170000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
對，所以我們一直在想為什麼選務跟選政不能合一的這個問題？ |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0.885 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-04-08T11:56:56.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-04-08T11:57:03.002000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
我們也不清楚委員提案說選務跟選政要合一的優點是在什麼地方？ |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-04-08T11:57:03.482000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-04-08T11:57:04.462000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
我跟委員報告一下…… |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-04-08T11:57:04.662000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-04-08T11:57:05.743000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
因為一條龍啊！你看！ |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-04-08T11:57:06.123000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-04-08T11:57:07.703000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
整個選務都是中選會在辦理。 |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-04-08T11:57:07.703000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-04-08T11:57:08.703000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
中選會到目前為止，它在各地方…… |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-04-08T11:57:07.863000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-04-08T11:57:09.544000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
選政各方面都應該要有獨立的判斷。 |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-04-08T11:57:13.325000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-04-08T11:57:14.826000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
中選會現在就有獨立的判斷啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-04-08T11:57:15.066000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-04-08T11:57:17.168000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
因為中選會的委員是大院通過的啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-04-08T11:57:17.908000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-04-08T11:57:22.291000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
中選會能夠通過的部分，我們內政部都沒有辦法影響到。 |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-04-08T11:57:22.451000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-04-08T11:57:31.837000+08:00 |
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但是選政有很多政策還是在內政部，甚至還講到有很多事情它還要報請內政部，所以都還是內政部在掌握啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0.756 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-04-08T11:57:31.837000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-04-08T11:57:34.428000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
沒有吧！沒有。有啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0.286 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-04-08T11:57:34.428000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-04-08T11:57:36.689000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
報告委員，你現在講的可能是地方政府吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-04-08T11:57:36.949000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2026-04-08T11:57:46.734000+08:00 |
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因為地方政府的選委會幾乎都是有選舉的時候才會成立，真正屬於中選會的全職人員比較少，所以我們都必須要請地方政府的民政機關來幫忙處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
0.645 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-04-08T11:57:47.254000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2026-04-08T11:57:49.235000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
本席請教你，現在中選會有沒有任何針對選舉制度的權力？ |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-04-08T11:57:55.128000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2026-04-08T11:57:55.428000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
沒有啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-04-08T11:57:56.530000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2026-04-08T11:58:06.442000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
它可以提出修法，這整個都在內政部的手中，所以本席今天質詢就是要提出來這一塊，其實這一塊我們大家也應該要來正視，選政跟選務應該要合一。 |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
0.836 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-04-08T11:58:11.134000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2026-04-08T11:58:23.742000+08:00 |
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好，時間到了，內政部應該很清楚，現在選政及整個選舉制度都是你們在掌握，中選會就只有負責選務而已。 |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
0.86 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-04-08T11:58:24.522000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2026-04-08T11:58:25.383000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
有機會的話，其實選政和選務應該要合一。 |
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0.588 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2026-04-08T11:58:25.403000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
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2026-04-08T11:58:26.884000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].text |
好，OK！謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2026-04-08T11:58:27.384000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2026-04-08T11:58:30.526857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].text |
下一位請何欣純委員發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2026-04-08T11:58:30.826857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2026-04-08T11:58:33.969714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].text |
何欣純、何欣純、何欣純不在。 |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2026-04-08T11:58:34.269714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[113].end |
2026-04-08T11:58:41.984000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].text |
現在登記發言的委員除不在場者外，其餘均已發言完畢，詢答結束。 |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2026-04-08T11:58:42.284000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[114].end |
2026-04-08T11:58:49.998286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].text |
委員高金素梅、吳沛憶、柯志恩所提書面質詢列入紀錄並刊登公報。 |
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0 |