| IVOD_ID |
168113 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168113 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-01T09:57:41+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-01T10:06:13+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:32 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6ae3a98a11df106c09e307af4b145bd38b964e64394a70074047e563c2ae16094e9b506dd3952c205ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
廖先翔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:57:41 - 10:06:13 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請客家委員會主任委員率同所屬及財團法人客家公共傳播基金會董事長列席報告業務概況（含上會期臨時提案辦理情形），並備質詢。【4月1日及2日二天一次會】） |
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好 謝謝主席喔 那麻煩幫我邀請谷主委還有宋董事長 |
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兩位好,抱歉今天這個請教一下就是最近有一些我們客委會或是我們基金會的一些投資的電影有一些輿論的討論我想先確認一下我們在決定要做電影出版的時候我們是怎麼樣來評估我們是要用補助的方式還是要用投資的方式來宣傳我們的客家文化 |
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感謝趙薇也要提問我們有一套制度針對電影開發、劇本開發等等的方式各種方式都有可能 |
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那你們怎麼樣子去因為現在大家可能之前有在討論到我們是不是透過基金會來超過我們一千萬補助的上限嘛那課委會有做說明我們是投資的所以說可能沒有這一千萬然後透過基金會過水的一個概念那大家才會想那會不會有這個假投資真補助的方式來繞過這一千萬的限制所以我才在今天來請教主委跟董事長我們怎麼判斷一個案子電影投資宣揚我們客家文化要用 |
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補助還是投資有沒有一套機制我們最明確的分野點在哪邊還是說今天誰說了算我想這應該不是我們期待大家聽到的答案而是有沒有一套制度去做這樣子的一個決策感謝趙偉 |
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我們客人會針對這個確實我們內部都非常的嚴謹會有一套的程序至於這個這麼巨額的到目前為止除了跟公共電視客家電視台合作以外目前是沒有那麼高的補助的方案在我們的系統裡頭那這一次的那個這支片子我們這個是客傳會 |
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所製作的相關的那個機制要請客傳會來說明報告張委員我們在這個那張照片裡的我們這一案呢我們是用藝文採購案我們在客傳會這邊是並不是補助的那個方式那民間有出資嗎 |
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有有出資所以說我們這些採購案還包含了民間的出資對好那剛剛我講的如果說我們在評估這個要做客家這個影視的創作的時候這個案子會使用採購案的原因是因為他可能已經超過一千萬補助的上限所以我們改用採購案的方式來做執行是這樣的概念嗎 |
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我們在客船會這邊完全沒有補助的這個機制我們是採這個投資的那個方式所以只要我們客船基金會所做的出版的電影都是用採購的方式也就是投資的方式沒有補助的方式那這件事情有跟客人討論過嗎 |
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出品錢 有 有沒有 客委會有沒有提出來這個可能有一千萬的這個一億 希望我們去做多一點的論述避免大家剛剛講的是不是 因為我們的錢應該大部分的經費都是來自於客委會的補助嘛對不對一年的經費大概應該有差不多九成都是客委會的補助那大家就會懷疑是不是透過這個補助我們基金會的方式 |
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然後再用超過一千萬的額度來做補助雖然說你們是用這個採購但是對國人來說就是政府出錢嘛你就是超過一千萬了有沒有規避辦法的這樣子的一個想法所以說你們在做這件事情有跟客委會這邊確認過嗎有沒有違反他們的一些補助的要點甚至是客委會自己本身的一些內規的規定 |
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這個都是合法的那個 有沒有確認過 有沒有確認過有跟客人確認過 所以客人會認同我們這個基金會客船基金會的這個這一次的採購案是 好 所以有客人會的配書好 那我確認一下 那我們既然是採購嘛那我們就是出品人 那他是電影的這個出資嘛那我想確認一下 我不是討論你們這個收益多少跟效益的問題我想確認一下 那我們的分論的機制大概是什麼樣子的 |
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我們那個分論是在我們的那個約裡面是漢草文創他那邊是優先分論是那也就是說在投資的成本還沒有攤平之前我們是不會有任何的收益沒錯 |
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那我們的這個總投資的成本我們大概出五千萬吧,是不是?五千五百六十五萬五五六零那民間出資多少?那總額大概是多少?民間是三千四百四十五萬三千多也就是說民間的這三千多萬還沒有收回去也就是說配合房已經超過三千萬了嘛因為這個電影院還是要有分類嘛對不對也就是說出品方沒有超過三千多萬的時候我們客委會的投資是完全沒有任何的收益回來了 |
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到目前為止整個影片的製作8000多萬那如果說在這個票房這些的回收沒有到達這個製作成本這個時候就是說事實上是沒有我們就是說沒有沒有分論這個可能 |
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那一部分是分潤嘛那一部分是回本嘛對不對8000多萬那5000多萬是我們租3000多萬他們租也就是說他們3000多萬如果拿回來了拿的回去了那超過3000多萬的又會優先讓我們補足這5000多萬那超過了總投資了之後那才會依照契約去分潤嘛對不對那我們的契約分潤的一個精神大概是按照出資比例嗎還是有其他的另外的一個規定 |
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按照出資比例我想國人也是會認為說補助跟投資它其實是兩個不一樣的概念補助的精神其實補助我們很難去評估它的一個成效可能客人會平常在做很多的一些補助案的時候我們很難去用它 |
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到底有畢竟這種它是一個精神的一個概念它不是只用單一的金錢的這個指標去衡量的所以說一般來說很少會去質疑補助的一個它的正當性但是當投資的時候 |
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就是跟補助不一樣了投資有賺有賠嘛 申購前應該詳細公開說明書嘛那我們投資方也會考慮一下我們的收益那你們當初在做投資以後有沒有做過收益這方面的評估有沒有做票房的預估 那跟我們當初的評估有沒有產生多大的落差當時是有票房的預估但事實上是沒有達到那我們當初的預估大概是怎樣的一個規模 |
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可能就說大概在類似五千萬這樣子五千萬左右所以說雖然說沒辦法回本但是它具有這個傳播客家精神的一個概念所以說我們還是願意去投資嘛好啦那我就覺得可能當初在做決策的時候為什麼會產生這麼大的一個落差那或許是我們基金會為了要去做檢討的 |
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如果是補助就不會有後面這些問題了但如果是投資那我們立法院就絕對會來對財務的部分來多加的琢磨那也希望說不管是客委會因為你們也是這個錢都是你們補助來的嘛那我們基金會未來都能夠對相關的投資案有一個更為嚴謹的一個審查的一個流程啦希望說不可能100%的準確嘛這個影音市場有很多變化性但是這個落差太大了會引起大家的質疑就希望說未來大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
490.316 |
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511.022 |
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可能在題材的多元性上面你也知道我們在野黨長期質疑我們現在的民進黨政府在電影補助或投資的多元性上面是不足的那是不是因為多元性不足的問題導致受眾沒有辦法那麼的廣況也沒有辦法那麼的完美的去散播我們客家的精神我覺得是我們值得去後續去檢討的好不好 以上麻煩主委跟我們董事長謝謝 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-04-01T09:57:48.992000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-04-01T09:57:49.112000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].text |
謝謝主席。 |
| transcript.gazette[0].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-04-01T09:57:49.733000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-04-01T09:57:51.917000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].text |
麻煩幫我邀請古主委還有宋董事長。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
古主任委員秀妃 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-04-01T09:57:51.917000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-04-01T09:57:59.816000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
廖召委好。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-04-01T09:57:59.816000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-04-01T09:57:59.956000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
兩位好。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-04-01T09:58:00.617000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-04-01T09:58:21.411000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
我今天想要請教一下，最近客委會或是基金會投資的電影有一些輿論的討論，我想先確認一下，你們在決定要做電影出版的時候是怎麼樣來評估要用補助的方式，還是要用投資的方式來宣傳客家文化？ |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
古主任委員秀妃 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-04-01T09:58:23.114000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-04-01T09:58:35.060000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].text |
感謝召委的提問，我們有一套制度，針對電影開發或是劇本開發等等的方式，各種方式都有可能。 |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.872 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-04-01T09:58:36.308000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-04-01T09:58:43.211000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
你們怎麼樣子去……因為現在大家可能之前有討論到，你們是不是透過基金會來繞過1,000萬補助的上限？ |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.927 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-04-01T09:58:44.291000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-04-01T09:58:57.997000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
客委會有做說明你們是投資的，所以可能沒有這1,000萬透過基金會過水的概念，大家才會想，會不會有假投資、真補助的方式來繞過這1,000萬的限制？ |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.932 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-04-01T09:58:58.217000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-04-01T09:59:07.922000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
所以我才在今天來請教主委跟董事長，你們怎麼判斷一個電影投資宣揚客家文化的案子要用補助還是投資？ |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.911 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-04-01T09:59:07.922000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-04-01T09:59:08.703000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
有沒有一套機制？ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-04-01T09:59:09.924000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-04-01T09:59:12.047000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
最明確的分野點在哪邊？ |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-04-01T09:59:12.047000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-04-01T09:59:13.709000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
還是說今天誰說了算？ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-04-01T09:59:14.429000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-04-01T09:59:17.733000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
這應該不是我們大家期待聽到的答案，而是有沒有一套制度去做這樣子的決策？ |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
古主任委員秀妃 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-04-01T09:59:17.753000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-04-01T09:59:44.131000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
感謝召委，沒有錯，我們客委會針對這部分內部確實都非常嚴謹來評估，會有一套程序，至於這麼巨額的，到目前為止，我們客委會除了和公共電視、客家電視台合作以外，在我們的系統裡頭，目前是沒有這麼高的補助方案。 |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.629 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
古主任委員秀妃 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-04-01T09:59:44.511000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-04-01T09:59:53.016000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
這一次《那張照片裡的我們》這支片子是客傳會所製作的，相關的機制要請客傳會來說明。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.784 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
宋董事長廷棟 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-04-01T09:59:53.096000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-04-01T09:59:56.238000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
報告召委，《那張照片裡的我們》這一案，我們是用藝文採購案，客傳會這邊並不是補助的方式。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.973 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-04-01T09:59:56.238000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-04-01T09:59:57.238000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
你們用採購？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-04-01T09:59:56.298000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-04-01T10:00:17.047000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
那民間有出資嗎？有。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-04-01T10:00:17.548000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-04-01T10:00:18.609000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
有出資？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-04-01T10:00:19.569000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-04-01T10:00:22.012000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
表示這些採購案還包含了民間的出資？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-04-01T10:00:22.012000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-04-01T10:00:36.605000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
好，剛剛我講的，如果你們在評估要做客家影視創作的時候，這個案子會使用採購案的原因是因為它可能已經超過1,000萬補助上限，所以你們改用採購案的方式來做執行，是這樣的概念嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
宋董事長廷棟 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-04-01T10:00:38.841000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-04-01T10:00:43.325000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
我們在客傳會這邊完全沒有補助的機制。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
宋董事長廷棟 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-04-01T10:00:44.406000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-04-01T10:00:47.829000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
我們是採投資的方式。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-04-01T10:00:48.249000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-04-01T10:00:57.978000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
所以只要客傳基金會所出版的電影都是用採購的方式，也就是投資的方式，沒有補助的方式。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.949 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-04-01T10:00:58.318000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-04-01T10:00:59.219000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
這件事情有跟客委會討論過嗎？有。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-04-01T10:01:00.897000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-04-01T10:01:08.341000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
出品前，客委會有沒有提出來可能有1,000萬的疑義，希望你們去做多一點的論述？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.844 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-04-01T10:01:08.981000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-04-01T10:01:15.585000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
避免大家剛剛講的，是不是……因為你們的錢、大部分的經費應該都是來自於客委會的補助嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.919 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-04-01T10:01:15.705000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-04-01T10:01:16.325000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-04-01T10:01:16.325000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-04-01T10:01:26.650000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
一年經費大概差不多九成都是客委會的補助，大家就會懷疑是不是透過補助基金會的方式，再用超過1,000萬的額度來做補助？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.98 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-04-01T10:01:27.050000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-04-01T10:01:34.714000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
雖然你們是用採購，但是對國人來說就是政府出錢嘛，你就是出超過1,000萬，有沒有規避法規的想法？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-04-01T10:01:35.494000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-04-01T10:01:38.535000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
所以你們在做這件事情有跟客委會這邊確認過嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-04-01T10:01:38.535000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-04-01T10:01:44.678000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
有沒有違反他們的一些補助要點，甚至是客委會自己本身一些內規的規定？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
宋董事長廷棟 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-01T10:01:47.995000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-04-01T10:01:48.855000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
這個都是合法的。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-01T10:01:49.775000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-04-01T10:01:50.616000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
有沒有確認過？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
宋董事長廷棟 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-04-01T10:01:50.616000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-04-01T10:01:51.496000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
有確認過。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-04-01T10:01:51.496000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-04-01T10:01:58.959000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
有跟客委會確認過，所以客委會認同客傳基金會這一次的採購案？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.821 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-01T10:01:59.379000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-04-01T10:02:01.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
好，所以有客委會的背書。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-01T10:02:02.861000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-04-01T10:02:14.006000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
既然是採購，你們就是出品人，他是電影的出資人，我想確認一下，我不是討論你們收益多少跟效益的問題，請問分潤機制大概是怎麼樣子？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.893 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
宋董事長廷棟 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-01T10:02:18.128000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-04-01T10:02:25.271000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
分潤在我們合約裡面是瀚草文創優先分潤。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-01T10:02:27.972000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-04-01T10:02:36.216000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
也就是說在投資的成本還沒有攤平之前，你們是不會有任何的收益？沒錯。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-01T10:02:37.459000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-04-01T10:02:42.202000+08:00 |
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你們總投資的成本大概出5,000萬，是不是？5,565萬。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-01T10:02:43.523000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-04-01T10:02:45.625000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
那民間出資多少，總額大概是多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
宋董事長廷棟 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-01T10:02:45.905000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-04-01T10:02:48.687000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
民間是3,445萬。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-01T10:02:48.687000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-04-01T10:02:58.073000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
三千多，也就是說，民間的這三千多萬還沒有收回去，但票房已經超過三千萬，因為電影院還是要有分潤對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-01T10:02:58.073000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-04-01T10:03:05.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
也就是說，當出品方沒有超過三千多萬的時候，客委會的投資到目前為止是完全沒有任何收益回來的。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
宋董事長廷棟 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-01T10:03:07.839000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-04-01T10:03:25.988000+08:00 |
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整個影片的製作八千多萬，如果票房的回收沒有到達製作成本的話，事實上我們是沒有分潤的可能。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.805 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-01T10:03:27.409000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-04-01T10:03:30.611000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
對，一部分是分潤、一部分是回本，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-01T10:03:30.611000+08:00 |
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2026-04-01T10:03:47.483000+08:00 |
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以八千多萬來講，五千多萬是你們出，三千多萬是他們出，也就是說，他們的三千多萬如果拿得回去，那麼超過三千多萬的部分又會優先讓你們補足這五千多萬，在超過總投資額之後，才會依照契約去分潤，對不對？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.678 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-01T10:03:47.483000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-04-01T10:03:51.646000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
那麼契約分潤的精神是按照出資比例嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-01T10:03:51.646000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-01T10:03:53.427000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
還是有其他另外的規定？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
宋董事長廷棟 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-01T10:03:55.278000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-04-01T10:03:57.039000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
按照出資比例來分配。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-01T10:03:58.701000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-04-01T10:04:04.025000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
好，我想國人也會認為補助跟投資其實是兩個不一樣的概念。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-01T10:04:05.226000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-04-01T10:04:25.627000+08:00 |
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就補助而言，我們很難去評估它的成效，可能客委會平常在做很多補助案的時候，我們很難以它到底有多少成效去評估，畢竟它是一個精神的概念，而不是用單一的金錢指標去衡量，所以一般來說很少會去質疑補助的正當性。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.859 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-01T10:04:26.187000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-01T10:04:40.921000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
但是當投資的時候就跟補助不一樣了，投資有賺有賠，申購前應該詳閱公開說明書，投資方也會考慮一下收益，那你們當初在投資的時候，有沒有做過收益方面的評估？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-01T10:04:41.461000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-01T10:04:42.562000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
有沒有做票房的預估？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-01T10:04:43.002000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-04-01T10:04:45.644000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
跟你們當初的評估有沒有產生多大的落差？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
宋董事長廷棟 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-01T10:04:48.505000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-01T10:04:54.769000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
有，當時是有票房的預估，但事實上沒有達到。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-01T10:04:55.630000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-04-01T10:04:56.671000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
當初的預估大概是怎樣的規模？ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
宋董事長廷棟 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-04-01T10:05:00.549000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-04-01T10:05:03.529000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
大概在5,000萬這樣子。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-04-01T10:05:04.130000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-04-01T10:05:04.290000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
5,000萬左右？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-04-01T10:05:05.290000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-04-01T10:05:11.512000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
雖說沒辦法回本，但是它具有傳播客家精神的概念，所以你們還是願意去投資嘛！是。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-04-01T10:05:13.692000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-04-01T10:05:21.054000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
當初在做決策的時候，為什麼會產生這麼大的落差，這或許是基金會未來要去檢討的。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.914 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-04-01T10:05:23.597000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-04-01T10:05:49.515000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
如果是補助，就不會有後面這些問題了；但如果是投資，那麼立法院就絕對會針對財務的部分多所著墨，在此也希望不管是客委會……因為這些錢都是透過補助來的嘛，希望基金會未來對於相關投資案能有更為嚴謹的審查流程，當然不可能100%準確，因為影音市場有很多變化性，但是這個落差太大了，所以會引起大家的質疑。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.847 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
廖委員先翔 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-04-01T10:05:50.215000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-04-01T10:06:12.022000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
針對未來題材的多元性上面，你也知道在野黨長期質疑現在的民進黨政府在電影補助或投資的多元性上面是不足的，是不是因為多元性不足的問題，導致受眾沒有辦法那麼廣泛，也沒有辦法那麼完美地傳播客家的精神，我覺得這些都是值得後續去檢討的，以上麻煩主委跟董事長，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.932 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-04-01T10:06:12.522000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-04-01T10:06:14.522000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
謝謝廖先翔召委。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-04-01T10:06:14.822000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-04-01T10:06:17.964857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
接下來請吳琪銘委員質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0 |