| IVOD_ID |
167745 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167745 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第4次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第4次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-20T14:46:53+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-20T15:17:33+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:30:40 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
徐巧芯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:46:53 - 15:17:33 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第4次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、3月20日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、3月24日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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我們請許巧興委員請諮詢謝謝院長那我們是不是能夠有請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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我們今天來關心一下美國跟以色列他們為了推翻伊朗的伊斯蘭革命政權所以從2月28號開始展開的聯合軍事行動因為這樣子的關係所以伊朗也封鎖了全球經濟非常重要的和我們在海下 |
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那在這個荷姆茲海峽受到威脅的情況之下主要影響到國際原油的價格戰爭爆發以來布蘭特的原油飆升55%以上歐洲的天然氣也是一度在19號的時候跳漲到35% |
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那我們非常關心台灣的情況那根據富比士雜誌他最新的專題報導裡面提到了台灣他是這麼說的他說台灣每天進口52.5萬桶的原油儲備可以維持100天但裡面有80%也就是42萬桶我想他的意思是說源頭的部分是來自於中東而這些油是一定要經過和我們在海峽的所以我想請問一下院長就是台灣也因為這場戰爭那受到了衝擊 |
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這場戰爭衝擊全世界台灣當然也受到了衝擊我們評估的部分目前台灣受到哪一些的衝擊 |
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最明顯的就是我們對於LNG的掌握但目前在三四月我們都已經確實掌握到來源五月份也積極在滿足五月份的需求那六月開始我們還有其他新的合約會展開我們希望擴大其他新的合約另外一方面就是難免這樣的一個情勢對國內的物價有蠢蠢欲動的這個現象所以經過我們物價平穩小組也 |
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由原來的美季開會變成美周開會來實際掌握原油的部分因為我們儲備的量是比較多的但未來我們還是希望能夠朝向分散市場這樣的方式來確保各個來源的安全跟穩定 |
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那接下來我就要詢問有關錢的部分了就是說呢中油現在每賣出去一公升的汽油那這個在應該是部長吧然後接受委員的質詢的時候那就有講到說近兩週共同承擔了33億的油價成本那等於是每一公升汽油就是要多吸收十幾塊錢那這裡面呢當然我可以把它分成說針對油價動漲的部分 |
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還有針對因為天然氣發電每度成本價格往上的金額我想要問一下就是33億這個總額總數字是包含我剛剛講的這兩種情況那它分別是分別的數字是多少 |
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哪兩個數字就是呢因為我們有油價動漲嘛那我們有油價動漲的部分跟另外一個部分是天然氣每度發電的成本的提高嘛就天然氣價格上漲的部分嘛那總體來說吸收是33億嘛那我想要問一下他們雙就這兩個部分分別的這個金額的數字是怎麼樣分開來了解 |
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因為後者 天然氣的部分那它才比較是說針對現在的戰爭所以我想針對能源的這個議題了解我們吸收了多少錢這樣您有理解我的意思嗎油價的部分 油價因為我們有雙環漲的機制一個是亞林最低價跟亞洲鄰近國家比較我們採取最低價這過去都這樣 不是現在才有的 |
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那另外在這一次我們又啟動一個專案平穩的機制會吸收在雅林最低價先計算過之後如果再漲的部分由中油來吸收60%所以說這個33億的數字可不可以再詳細說明一下它就具體而言因為總體這兩個禮拜以來吸收33億很多民眾在詢問那它的相關細節可不可以針對這個33億的部分給我們一些補充 |
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好 這個我首先要請經濟部但是我先表達我非常感謝經濟部跟中油的同仁們在這一次能夠依照國際這樣情勢的發展他們是牙齒咬腕請經濟部來回答跟委員報告我們第一週吸收了大概9億元9億對 那第二週吸收了那9億是怎麼樣的一個情形9億元就是說我們有一個平穩的機制 |
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平穩計算出來之後剛剛院長講的中油來吸收六成這樣的一個價格因為第一週其實國際油價的漲幅還沒有那麼高所以吸收的金額比較有限第二週吸收金額就比較大了第二週就是24億那接下來要進到第三週了我們有預期在第三週的部分那可能會要再吸收多少嗎 |
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這個會隨國際原油價格對啊那因為昨天的這個晚上有跳回來一點那像昨天晚上來說的話因為我們都在看這個整個油價的情況嘛那這個漲幅其實非常大的所以我想要問一下這個評估是第三週那基本上會第一週然後第二週更高第三週更高還是說第三週能夠再評以下來我們目前的評估是如何的 |
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我們正在做最後的評估因為過去我們先讓那個部長講一下好不好過去我們對油價的發布都在禮拜天那現在我們提前到禮拜六所以今天禮拜五應該會做最精密最精本週最精確的計算所以我沒有問數字嘛因為你的數字的發布一定是看你們的時間嘛但是你現在都已經禮拜五了基本上你應該知道說比上一週多還是比上一週少我只簡單的問這個而已 |
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我評估應該不會比上一週少因為我下一個了解了解這個大家都是在深受其害我沒有任何苛責的意思 你不要緊張但是呢 我要問的是說因為每一針針如果繼續打然後每一週 你看第一週9億嘛第二週24億嘛第三週如果我們先不講數字 但往上的話那我們會很擔心說中油這六成的這個吸收我們有沒有一個臨界點 |
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就是說這個要一直吸收到這個戰爭結束為止還是說呢有一個臨界點那在這個臨界點過後沒有辦法持續我們就必須用什麼樣的一個其他的機制來因應我們行政院有沒有做這個評估呢我們首先要克服中油目前的財政狀況我們看中油的需求它需不需要跟所謂的金融機構 |
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更多的融資讓他去渡過現在的困難再來我們現在也回過頭來檢討我們的特別條例當中因應國際局勢特別條例當中可不可能有可以來致用的部分那最終還有一個方式就是說因為您剛剛講到這個條例致用的部分有沒有了解過那大概有多少的金額還有機會能來做運用的 |
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我們正在核算這個部分還在核算那可能你們要盡快好嗎因為這個每週往上的數字然後這個條例本身也就在那這個條例因為我們當初既然通過了它在那當然就是因應特殊的局勢那所以說我們早就應該是應該要知道說這個裡面還有多少金額是能夠拿來去做吸收或是貼補的所以除了融資之外你剛講條例裡面還有的這個金額那是不是會後可以提供相關的這個數字給我 |
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因為這個中東其實還在發展我認為這個金額可能會不小是這樣子的因為呢您剛講這個條例裡面能夠使用的金額的部分它是一定的因為這是原有的條例嘛對吧院長對吧那所以說原有的條例它還能運用多少數額最多的這個數額數字是多少應該在裡面是可以看得到的呀原來運用的就目前來看或許還夠但再發展就不夠 |
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第三點我們可能必須考量如何讓中友是不是可以經過大家同意能夠來增資而且一定程度的增資讓他的財務能夠穩定 |
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好 我了解了 增資那所以就是這三個辦法那我們重複一次第一個是跟金融業的融資貸款第二個是根據先前的因應特別局勢的條例裡面還能支用的部分我們來支應第三個可能要針對這個中油進行增資讓我們的整體的油價能夠因應美伊戰爭的情勢對台灣的波及我這樣描述是正確的好 那接下來我要問一下因為 |
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這個美國總統川普他在3月14號的時候發文提到呢只要是受到橫浦海峽影響的國家都有責任去保衛這個橫浦海峽的安全那目前他點名的是一些合作比較緊密或者是有實力的國家包含中國大陸、法國、日本、韓國跟英國他在3月14號的時候是被點名的 |
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那接下來今天早上最新的消息從14號到今天經過一些協商目前歐洲五國英國、法國、德國、義大利、荷蘭還有日本已經發布了聯合聲明指出他們準備要投入適當的行動以確保荷姆在海峽能夠安全通行 |
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然後呢因為17號的時候川普他總統他也有說有七個國家正在協商這個部分所以我剛剛算了一下目前歐洲五國再加日本一國嘛那他在3月17號的時候講七個國家那我想問一下最後一個不會是中華民國吧 |
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沒有吧報告委員動用這種行動實際行動從來在行政院上我們並沒有辦法去要國軍做任何的行動從來也不是我們曾經有過的這個選項當然啊對很多國家來說都不見得是他們有過的選項但我的問題是說你先先我先了解一下就是說因為川普所點名的七個國家裡面有六個現在目前已經已知了嘛還有一個不知道是誰的應該不是我們吧我先跟你確認這個 |
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我想那可能性極低不是我們嘛對不對那再來就是說因為前面有提到說我們呢如果受到美伊戰爭的原油價格衝擊那從川普的角度來說呢基本上他會認為你也有這個責任那如果再加上台灣跟美國的這個軍事外交合作是相當緊密的 |
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我询问一下如果美方询问台湾是否能够协防这个荷姆斯海峡保护荷姆斯海峡我用更温和的说法那它不是一种战争的一个概念是说保护荷姆斯海峡进出的这些船只能够安全通过如果说美方有对我们提出这样的要求的话那请问一下院长我们的具体态度是什么能不能跟国人做一个说明 |
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我先講原則的回應再請部長說明我想政府最要保護的是國人的安全以及我們航行船隻的安全我們盡量保護這兩個安全那這個超越這個之外的都不是行政院應該有的職權我想國軍的最大能力是在保衛國家國人跟所有屬於我們中華民國國籍的航空界以及船舶的安全那除了這個之外目前我們沒有任何的計畫目前還是那個顧部長請說 |
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我想簡要的跟委員報告最主要我們現在面對這個中共每天在我們台海周邊的洗澡每天都有至少五哨以上的風險所以我們要應對高強度的揮帶的一個洗澡還有不斷可能的一個軍事威脅 |
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所以我們整個國軍的重心當然就是在隨時警戒利用所有各項勤建政的手段跟有謀的這種勤制的交換來掌握這個台海周邊我瞭解我也非常同意我想這個是我們國軍我非常同意因為我今天之所以會提出這個問題也是憂慮 |
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所以如果说今天因为美方希望我们来协助保护那在这个军力上面做了调整的话那我们会面临一个空虚的情况所以谢谢两位的这个回答但是除此之外呢我们可以看到不少人包含呢这个我不一一点名可是不少所谓台派的人士呢可以看一下投影片他们认为呢我们应该要请国军去护航河北海峡包含呢说呢这个会记得台湾就甘心嘛 |
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然后呢有讲到说我们应该要表态愿意帮忙似乎跟两位刚刚所谈及的这个方向是不太一样的可以针对这些因为有部分的人是开始大可能去说我们台湾应该我们台湾应该要去保护要去协助要去帮忙每一战争无论是人员部队的或者是武器的或者是船只的针对这个部分可不可以回应一下类似这样子在舆论上面的一个讨论 |
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我想就國防部的立場 迄今為止 這個我們沒有思考到有這樣子的一個行動好 那如果說美國他有公開的 比如川普 他有公開的點名台灣希望我們來協助 我們仍然能夠維持一樣的立場嗎 |
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我想這是一個假設性的問題這不是假設性因為他都點名其他國家了那我們之間這個關係這麼緊密他當然也有可能今天沒有接獲這樣子的我跟您說等一下這不是假設性為什麼因為我剛剛講了幾個川普的要件是什麼受到荷姆茲海峽影響的相關國家那我剛剛確認了我們是有的 |
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再来他点名的国家里面第一岛链的包含像是日本等国家他们也已经前往支援了或者是有一些比如萨德飞弹的移转了所以这不是一个假设性的问题这是未来有可能出现的情况所以在他发生之前我要先询问我们国军的立场是什么好不好简单说明一下 |
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我想簡單因為委員的問題是說川普邀請川普沒有現在迄今為止我們沒有接獲任何要川普邀請我們參與這個訊息所以他確實是一個假設性的第一點第二點我剛已經講過我們整個皇位的 |
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這個國軍整個的任務就是在防衛的台澎金門那所以我們整個的重心都是圍繞著我們現在日益升高的灰色地帶的洗澡以及可能對我們的軍事威脅這是我們現在的整個的國軍的重要任務那我希望這樣子現在可以一直維持那無論接下來有沒有被點名到那需要去協助 |
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看到這麼多所謂的這個台派人士說我們應該要去那我其實並不是那麼同意我比較站在剛才郭部長跟我們卓院長的想法現在台海的局勢那應該是優先守護中華民國那為我們主要的要務那我希望如果假設真的這麼一天被詢問的時候我們也可以大力的表達剛才這樣子上述的立場 |
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那在美伊衝突的過程當中呢關於我國的軍備我們有台灣有不少的愛國者飛彈第三型接續也有一些採購的計畫那我想問一下院長您了解就是愛國者飛彈三在美國每年的產量大概是多少嗎如果不清楚也可以請部長待會兒作答部長清楚美國的產量是愛國者飛彈第三型 |
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跟委員報告我現在沒有辦法能夠確實地立即回答那您知道為什麼我了解了因為愛國者的飛彈它不只只有在美國生產它也會有在跟因為我們都是對美採購我們是對美採購所以我只問美國 |
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那為什麼我要問這個問題我不是故意要考你們或是要考倒你們是因為我們今天要採購一批飛彈然後我們是向美國採購的話那我們一定要了解它每年的產量是多少這樣子我才能知道我採購起來的時候那我所規劃的這個期程會不會能夠順利交貨因為民眾會擔心有延宕交貨的風險所以我才問這個問題那基本上 |
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這個我們從建案開始比如說我們要採購這個相關的這些武器的系統他都可以跟我們討論需要的項目數量然後交易的期程雙方簽署發價書之後然後他跟合約商還要進行預約 |
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這個流程我非常了解我沒有任何意義我毫無意義但是我的意思是說我們今天如果要採購一個飛彈然後多少枚等一下我會具體講那我們應該要先知道人家每年度的產能因為這樣子在採購的時候也會比較清楚 |
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沒有問題那你也可以告訴我說今年度明年度他能夠新增多少的產線新增百分之多少但我現在先不要繼續往下告訴你2025年愛國者飛彈他跟各國的這個同意交易的數量他會跟合約商去議論那我問你喔2025年美國的愛國者飛彈的產能是幾枚 |
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那你需要我告诉你答案对不对一共是600枚为什么我要讲这个是因为从这个事情上面你可以看到CSIS针对美伊战争开始战争的前100个小时以内美军每日花费8.94亿的美元里面有关于我们讲的爱国者防空飞弹总数就已经超过800枚 |
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所以他一年基本上他一年能夠產的量那他在十個小時之內其實就已經用掉了所以我現在第一個點是說美伊戰爭對於美方這裡他去消耗他的尤其是重要的這些彈藥那他接下來他會有很高程度的需求這是第一點 |
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第二点就算没有美伊战争我们拿过去四年俄乌战争为例您知道吗乌克兰所获得的爱国者它还是第二型跟第三型两个算在一起飞弹仅仅只有600枚而已所以爱国者飞弹其实是相当稀有的 |
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你不要告诉我说产线可能会增加那你可以说产线会增加多少如果你告诉我这个数字的话这个比例的话我是可以接受的但在此之前我要谈的事情是我们可以看到瑞士然后乌克兰 |
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波蘭他們都有採購愛國者飛彈但他們目前全數面臨到延宕的情況我並不是現在要講說台灣一定會延宕怎麼樣我只是把其他國家採購愛國者飛彈之後他們目前面臨的情況可以看一下日式的報導日式面臨美制防衛系統的進一步延宕澤維斯基警告烏克蘭因為中東衝突面臨愛國者飛彈的短缺還有波蘭預計交付的這個部分也會延宕 |
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那麼我們基本上有兩個部分跟愛國者飛彈有關第一個是軍購節餘款200億所購買的102枚愛國者飛彈空軍目前說不會受到中東情勢的影響會今年如期交貨可不可以請問一下我們現在目前了解102枚的愛國者飛彈具體而言是幾月會到貨 |
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跟委員報告 我想第一個 您說美國的產量600枚這個部分我覺得我需要下去再做一個查證你好 你去查證 哪有一半查過啦第二點就是說 相關的採購艾三飛彈但是我們用捷款採購了相關的艾三飛彈交運的相關的期程 到現在為止我們並沒有接貨有要遲延的部分 |
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這個我們本來就是依照相關的節點來進行這個股市所以我們的節點今年是在幾月的時候要到的貨我剛剛的問題就是這個我的了解是我們會在未來三年達到這個交運的一個不對不對我講的是這102枚的部分 |
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空军的说法是今年就会到啊今年会如期交运啊这个是空军的公开的说法我现在讲的不是特别条例的我现在讲的是200亿我们已经购买的102枚的爱国者飞弹我再强调一次空军告诉我们的是不会受到国际情势的影响会正常交货这个我刚刚也同意您刚刚所说的但具体而言今年会在什么时间的节点能够如期的到货可不可以请您说明 |
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您講的這個一百零二美式紙後來用結一款買的這個部分那結一款的這個部分我的了解他並沒有說有遲延的一個同時我知道我剛剛說了但我問的是今年今年要交運多少這件事情我要回去再查那你又要回去再查你也知道很多的這個立法委員還有民眾都對於這個軍購的這個期程的部分我先不講延宕以免你誤會 |
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軍購的其成非常的在意那愛國者非但又是重中之重我有今天在這裡您來接受備詢然後呢我問你說那請問今年度會交貨多少在沒有延宕的情況之下你沒有辦法回答我這個我怎麼能夠接受呢不過跟委員報告我很感謝委員剛剛對一些數字跟期限那麼精確的一個了解在這個同樣的邏輯底下也請委員能夠大力的來支持讓我們可以有直播的能力去採購就像現在我們去買 |
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我想我們現在跟美國買這麼多的一個武器現在我這樣站上來委員你問我說那今天要交易多少 |
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我可以同意我在會後我們在會後我們就相關你講的這個持續案的部分持續案的部分你要了解相關個別的武器系統 |
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要交易的數量我會在查證之後跟委員麻煩你了那請你以後先準備好再來好不好因為這樣的話我問的很多問題都是這個回答方式那我下一個問題那我擔心難度更高嘛因為我接下來要討論到特別條例裡面了在行政院版本的特別條例裡面應該是有包含這個也是愛國者飛彈的那從新聞報導裡面可以看到我們預計向美方再採購超過一個 |
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愛國者三型飛彈到贏的這樣子的一個規模那如果是一個贏的話大概就是450到500多枚左右這個金額是不是評估大概4000到5000億啊?各位委員報告,我想您也知道齁我們所有相關的這些案項跟美國的案項在還沒有美國還沒有進行智慧國會之前受台美機密法規的規範我們都是列為機密案 |
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這也是為什麼我從這個地方跟您說就是說為什麼大家在這個特別條例無論他當初在這個覆不覆為的階段或是現在審查的時候那會有所疑慮的原因因為我們要問的一些比較具體的內容那你也告訴我說要等到發架書來了以後那你才能告訴我這個也是核定不是等到發架書等到知會國會之後我想過去所有的建案程序都是我們先備預算 |
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這個我還會再細問但是因為我今天想要問你的是說我們現在假設從新聞報導上看到除了原本我們剛剛講的已經200億採購的102枚之外還要採購一個營大概450到500枚的飛彈 |
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我刚讲了几个条件第一个美方的产能有可能不足这个你说你还要回去查吗第二个呢是美方战争有大量的需求这个应该是具体的事实以及第三点我刚已经说给你看了其他国家有延档的情况那我们凭什么认为我们自己的这个采购不会有延档这个等之后因为我觉得你现在可能没有办法回答我因为你刚也讲了因为在国会授权之前等等的那 |
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到底我沒有什麼樣的自信心在我剛講的這三點情況之下能夠不延檔還有連102枚你剛也沒有告訴我時間所以如果需要會後回答你可以會後回答我但我在這裡表達我的態度我是採一個質疑的立場可以嗎 |
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每一戰爭消耗了不少高價值的重要彈藥尋求第一島鏈的盟友援助 |
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韓美國他轉移了在韓國駐美軍的防空飛彈薩德的部分還有愛國者防空飛彈日本調動了2500名的陸戰隊員那前往中東支援那麼這兩件事情都削弱美軍在整個太平洋戰區的這個反應能力那我想問一下 |
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因為我們2023年其實有簽署一個國防授權法案裡面的5503條有納入總統可以為台灣地區建立緊急儲備包含彈藥跟其他防禦物資的相關文字請問一下中華民國目前跟美方是不是已經有設置相關的措施那他調動武器的話是否需要我們的同意 |
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這個如果是機密不能回答沒有關係但是我想要請教的是如果有需要相關的一些彈藥跟物資因為煤衝突的移轉我們是否會同意 |
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剛剛您講到那個NDA裡面所講的這個部分我想我沒有辦法公開是 沒問題但是我可以說明的是美方並沒有要求我們要在這裡好 美方現在現在並沒有因為我知道你回答過這個問題但是很有趣的是您當初回答的是這樣子 |
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那你呢這個是路透社的報導他就說有媒體詢問你說確實你說美國目前沒有向中東轉移武器是跟台灣接觸可是他寫你在立法院裡面跟記者說只有在美方提出要求的情況之下才能重新部署台灣的任何美制武器如果發生這種情況的話運輸責任將由美方承擔那我請問一下這些這個部分跟委員報告這個部分是指已經 |
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我記得這個部分是指我們已經淘汰的這個武器吧淘汰的沒有你可以說明因為我是要問你的所以你可以盡量說明沒有問題你當初的想法是當時在詢問的我記得沒有錯是在講英式飛彈的OK 英式飛彈所以您的意思是說如果有一些中華民國已經淘汰不太需要的武器那如果美方在這個淘汰是到什麼樣的程度就是我們已經太處啊 |
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我們已經汰除的相關的彈藥也好飛彈也好那美方如果有向台灣提出需求那美方在負擔運輸成本的情況之下我們會提供 |
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相關所有的費用都會由他來承擔相關所有的費用所以我整理一次齁您聽聽看是不是這樣子就是如果美方今天他有需求他中東戰事非常緊張然後我們台灣這裡有一批是可能我們現在已經淘汰的所謂的各種的軍備美方在承擔所有的這個經濟運輸的成本之後我們提供給美國到中東的戰事去做使用您的意思是這樣 |
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我想您剛剛講到什麼到中中戰士去做運用或者等等甚至包括說具體的是哪些武器我只是在說當時記者是在問我們已經汰除的這些裝備那我也沒有去能夠真正的證實是什麼樣子的武器系統 |
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你剛剛有講一部分對 我是在說記者是這樣講我沒有辦法去做這樣一個回應我們要扭曲你的發言我覺得說我們就美制的武器它交易給我們之後我們太祖之後美方有任何一個要求我們會配合 |
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然後相關的費用由美方來了解了最後一個問題我們要向國人表示這些問題現在都沒有發生你知道我剛剛一開始的時候有就有你現在看著一個標題說美方已經向我絕對沒有發生這樣的事我是第一個剛剛在談這件事情就把這個東西點出來的我沒有去對你們的這整件事情產生任何的誤解跟扭曲而且這一個重點是這個跟現在發生的美衣戰爭沒有 |
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沒有什麼關係不是 委員跟我們一起澄清現在這件事情都是沒有發生是啊 我問的問題是如果人家有問的話那接下來我要詢問的地方是說這個川習會那川習會對中華民國來講比較大家尷尬的就是我們的軍購案那紐約時報指出我們軍購案被推遲是因為怕激怒習近平他們要川習會那顧部長是說會如期進行請問到底哪一方面才是正確的 |
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我已經做過說明了相關的這些還沒有知會國會之前都是屬於機密案件那麼所有的這些有可能這些案項都在美國內部審查當中所以應該說你不知道有沒有被推遲我只能回答到這個地方因為您問的都是還沒有知會國會那你本來講的是說這個是在如期進行 |
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但是現在告訴我的改成是說因為美方這裡還沒有智慧國會的話那我們不方便評論是這麼說的吧好那但是呢這個比較尷尬的是說川普沒有改變都是這樣子就是第一個我想兩點第一點 |
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沒有智慧國會之前都是屬於機密的第二點有關相關的這些還沒有智慧國會的部分還在美國的內部審議當中 那麼我提提你的意思但是我最後要問一個就因為川普他講說要跟習近平談對台軍售台灣之後才會做決定那這個說法是違反我們的六項保證裡面第二項保證的那我最後想要請卓院長針對這個違反六項保證裡面第二項保證做一些陳述 |
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就是美方跟我們之間的關係 |
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徐委員巧芯 |
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謝謝院長。 |
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徐委員巧芯 |
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是不是有請卓院長？ |
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1 |
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主席 |
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麻煩再請卓院長備詢。 |
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1 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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1 |
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徐委員好。 |
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徐委員巧芯 |
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1 |
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院長好。 |
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徐委員巧芯 |
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2026-03-20T14:47:31.092000+08:00 |
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我們今天來關心一下美國跟以色列，他們為了推翻伊朗的伊斯蘭革命政權，所以從2月28日開始展開聯合軍事行動。 |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.978 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
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2026-03-20T14:47:31.092000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-03-20T14:47:42.182000+08:00 |
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因為這樣子的關係，所以伊朗也封鎖了對全球經濟非常重要的荷姆茲海峽，在荷姆茲海峽受到威脅的情況之下，主要影響到國際原油的價格。 |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.897 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-03-20T14:47:43.123000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-03-20T14:47:51.948000+08:00 |
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戰爭爆發以來，布蘭特原油飆升55%以上，歐洲的天然氣也一度在19日跳漲到35%。 |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.968 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
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2026-03-20T14:47:53.749000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-03-20T14:48:17.474000+08:00 |
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我們非常關心臺灣的情況，根據富比士雜誌最新的專題報導提到了臺灣，他是這麼說的，他說臺灣每天進口52.5萬桶原油，儲備可以維持100天，但裡面有80%，也就是42萬桶，我想他的意思是說源頭的部分是來自於中東，而這些油是一定要經過荷姆茲海峽。 |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.97 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-03-20T14:48:17.934000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-03-20T14:48:21.015000+08:00 |
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所以我想請問一下院長，就是臺灣也因為這場戰爭受到了衝擊，對嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-03-20T14:48:25.780000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-03-20T14:48:28.505000+08:00 |
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這場戰爭衝擊全世界，臺灣當然也受到了衝擊，但我們全力在因應。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.704 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-03-20T14:48:28.505000+08:00 |
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2026-03-20T14:48:33.435000+08:00 |
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針對我們評估的部分，目前臺灣受到哪一些衝擊？ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-03-20T14:48:35.024000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-03-20T14:48:51.313000+08:00 |
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最明顯的就是我們對於LNG的掌握，但目前在3、4月都已經確實掌握到來源，也積極在滿足當月份的需求，6月開始我們還有其他新的合約會展開，我們希望擴大其他新的合約。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.986 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-03-20T14:48:51.313000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-03-20T14:49:05.262000+08:00 |
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另外一方面，難免由於這樣的情勢，國內的物價有蠢蠢欲動的現象，所以我們的物價平穩小組，也由原來的每季開會變成每週開會來實際掌握。 |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.897 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-03-20T14:49:05.943000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-03-20T14:49:15.771000+08:00 |
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原油的部分，因為我們儲備的量是比較多的，但未來還是希望能夠朝向分散市場的方式，確保各個來源的安全跟穩定。 |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-03-20T14:49:16.832000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-03-20T14:49:37.706000+08:00 |
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接下來我要詢問有關錢的部分，中油現在每賣出一公升的汽油……應該是部長接受委員質詢的時候，有講到近兩週共同承擔了33億的油價成本，等於是每一公升汽油就是要多吸收十幾塊錢。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-03-20T14:49:38.146000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-03-20T14:49:47.536000+08:00 |
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這裡面當然可以把它分成針對油價凍漲的部分，還有針對天然氣發電每度成本價格往上的金額。 |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.975 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-03-20T14:49:47.536000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-03-20T14:49:57.528000+08:00 |
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我想要問一下，33億這個總額數字，是包含我剛剛講的這兩種情況，那它分別的數字是多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-03-20T14:49:58.609000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-03-20T14:49:59.210000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
哪兩種數字？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-03-20T14:50:00.371000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-03-20T14:50:18.749000+08:00 |
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因為我們有油價凍漲的部分，跟另外一個部分是天然氣每度發電成本的提高，就是天然氣價格上漲的部分，總體來說吸收33億，我想要問一下，這兩個部分分別的金額數字是怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.973 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-03-20T14:50:18.749000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-03-20T14:50:31.082000+08:00 |
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分開來了解，因為後者天然氣的部分，才是比較針對現在的戰爭，所以我想針對這個能源議題了解我們吸收了多少錢，這樣您有理解我的意思嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.949 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-03-20T14:50:31.082000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-03-20T14:50:41.593000+08:00 |
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油價的部分，因為我們有雙緩漲的機制，一個是亞鄰最低價，跟亞洲鄰近國家比較，我們採取最低價，過去都這樣，不是現在才有的。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-03-20T14:50:42.153000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-03-20T14:50:53.180000+08:00 |
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另外，在這一次我們有啟動一個專案平穩機制，亞鄰最低價先計算過之後，如果再漲的部分，由中油來吸收60%。60%？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.911 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-03-20T14:50:53.180000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
1 |
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2026-03-20T14:50:54.180000+08:00 |
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60%，相當大。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-03-20T14:50:53.320000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-03-20T14:50:55.241000+08:00 |
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33億的數字，可不可以再詳細說明一下，就具體而言？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-03-20T14:50:55.742000+08:00 |
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2026-03-20T14:50:58.844000+08:00 |
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因為兩個禮拜以來總體吸收33億，很多民眾在詢問相關細節，可不可以針對這個33億的部分給我們一些補充？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.953 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-03-20T14:51:11.792000+08:00 |
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2026-03-20T14:51:13.994000+08:00 |
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好，我首先要請經濟部。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-03-20T14:51:13.994000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-03-20T14:51:14.994000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
沒有問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-03-20T14:51:14.074000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-03-20T14:51:22.441000+08:00 |
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但是我先表達，我非常感謝經濟部跟中油的同仁們，在這一次能夠依國際情勢的發展，他們是咬緊牙關。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-03-20T14:51:22.441000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-03-20T14:51:25.184000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
沒有問題，我們了解一下數額，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-03-20T14:51:25.184000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-03-20T14:51:25.564000+08:00 |
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我請經濟部來回答。請說。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
何次長晉滄 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-03-20T14:51:26.925000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-03-20T14:51:31.269000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，我們第一週吸收了大概9億元。9億？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
何次長晉滄 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-03-20T14:51:31.269000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-03-20T14:51:32.290000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
對，第二週吸收了…… |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-03-20T14:51:32.670000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-03-20T14:51:33.731000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
9億是怎麼樣的一個情形？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
何次長晉滄 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-03-20T14:51:34.271000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-03-20T14:51:36.553000+08:00 |
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9億元就是我們有一個平穩機制…… |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-03-20T14:51:37.434000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-03-20T14:51:38.455000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
平穩機制？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
何次長晉滄 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-03-20T14:51:38.455000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-03-20T14:51:44.519000+08:00 |
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平穩機制算出來之後，如剛剛院長講的，由中油來吸收六成的這樣一個價格。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.774 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
何次長晉滄 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-03-20T14:51:45.059000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-03-20T14:51:54.625000+08:00 |
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因為其實第一週國際油價的漲幅還沒有那麼高，所以吸收的金額比較有限，第二週吸收金額就比較大了。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.953 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-03-20T14:51:55.046000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-03-20T14:51:58.048000+08:00 |
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第二週就是……24億。24億？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-03-20T14:51:58.228000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-03-20T14:52:04.052000+08:00 |
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接下來要進到第三週了，有預期在第三週的部分，可能會再吸收多少嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
何次長晉滄 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-03-20T14:52:05.853000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-03-20T14:52:07.433000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
這個會隨國際原油價格再去做…… |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-03-20T14:52:07.573000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-03-20T14:52:17.659000+08:00 |
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對啊，因為昨天晚上有跳回來一點，像以昨天晚上來說的話，因為我們都在看這整個油價的情況，漲幅其實是非常大的。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-03-20T14:52:18.039000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-03-20T14:52:25.143000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
所以我想要問一下這個評估，第三週基本上會……第一週，然後第二週更高，第三週更高？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-03-20T14:52:25.543000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-03-20T14:52:27.844000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
還是第三週能夠再平抑下來？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-03-20T14:52:27.844000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-03-20T14:52:28.925000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
我們目前的評估是如何？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-03-20T14:52:29.803000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-03-20T14:52:31.643000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
我們正在做最後的評估，因為過去…… |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-03-20T14:52:32.664000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-03-20T14:52:34.444000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
先讓部長講一下，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-03-20T14:52:34.604000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-03-20T14:52:43.287000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
過去我們對油價的發布都在禮拜天，現在我們提前到禮拜六，所以今天禮拜五應該會做最精密、本週最精確的計算…… |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-03-20T14:52:43.627000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-03-20T14:52:54.910000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
所以我沒有問數字嘛，因為你數字的發布一定是看你們的時間，但是現在都已經禮拜五了，基本上你應該知道比上一週多還是比上一週少，我只簡單地問這個而已。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.985 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-03-20T14:52:57.193000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-03-20T14:52:59.414000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
我們評估應該不會比上一週少，應該是這樣子，今天下午才會詳細地精算。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-03-20T14:53:00.655000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-03-20T14:53:07.579000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
好，我了解，因為大家都是深受其害，我沒有任何苛責的意思，你不要緊張。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.862 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-03-20T14:53:07.579000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-03-20T14:53:24.288000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
但是我要問的是，美伊戰爭如果繼續打，然後每一週……你看第一週9億，第二週24億，第三週如果我們先不講數字，但是往上的話，我們會很擔心中油這六成的吸收，有沒有一個臨界點？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.93 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-03-20T14:53:25.591000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-03-20T14:53:31.517000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
就是說，要一直吸收到戰爭結束為止，還是有一個臨界點？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-03-20T14:53:31.657000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-03-20T14:53:38.984000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
在這個臨界點過後沒有辦法持續，我們就必須有其他什麼樣的機制來因應，你們行政院有沒有做這個評估了？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-03-20T14:53:39.625000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-03-20T14:53:53.181000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
我們首先要克服中油目前的財政狀況，我們看中油的需求，它需不需要跟所謂的金融機構有更多的融資，讓它去度過現在的困難。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.943 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-03-20T14:53:53.181000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-03-20T14:54:02.665000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
再來，我們現在也回過頭來檢討我們的特別條例當中，因應國際局勢的特別條例當中，可不可能有可以來支用的部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-03-20T14:54:03.505000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-03-20T14:54:05.666000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
最終還有一個方式，就是…… |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-03-20T14:54:06.967000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-03-20T14:54:15.330000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
不好意思打斷您，因為您剛剛講到條例支用的部分，有沒有了解過大概有多少金額還有機會能拿來做運用？ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.795 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-03-20T14:54:16.664000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-03-20T14:54:17.864000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
我們正在核算這個部分，因為…… |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-03-20T14:54:18.044000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-03-20T14:54:18.465000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
還在核算？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-03-20T14:54:18.465000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-03-20T14:54:19.465000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
還在核算，因為…… |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-03-20T14:54:19.425000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-03-20T14:54:20.825000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
你們可能要儘快好嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-03-20T14:54:20.825000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-03-20T14:54:22.186000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
但是跟委員預報…… |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-03-20T14:54:22.186000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-03-20T14:54:37.550000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
這個每週往上的數字，然後條例本身也在，因為我們當初既然通過了這個條例，當然就是因應特殊的局勢，所以你們早就應該要知道這裡面還有多少金額是能夠拿來做吸收或是貼補的。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.934 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-03-20T14:54:38.370000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-03-20T14:54:43.471000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
除了融資之外，你剛剛講條例裡面還有的金額，是不是會後可以提供相關的數字給我，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-03-20T14:54:45.652000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-03-20T14:54:49.935000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
因為中東情勢還在發展，我認為這個金額可能會不小。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-03-20T14:54:51.036000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-03-20T14:54:58.861000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
是這樣子的，因為您剛剛講在條例裡面能夠使用的金額是一定的，因為這是原有的條例，對吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-03-20T14:54:59.662000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-03-20T14:55:00.022000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
院長，對吧？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-03-20T14:55:01.083000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-03-20T14:55:03.864000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
是原有的條例，那麼還能運用多少數額？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-03-20T14:55:03.864000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-03-20T14:55:05.766000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
最多的數字是多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-03-20T14:55:06.266000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-03-20T14:55:07.327000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
在裡面應該是可以看得到的，對吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-03-20T14:55:07.867000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-03-20T14:55:11.730000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
原來運用的，就目前來看或許還夠，但再發展下去的話就不夠。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.84 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-03-20T14:55:11.730000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-03-20T14:55:12.730000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
如果再發展的話，您的意思是條例要再提出追加嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-03-20T14:55:12.730000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-03-20T14:55:13.730000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
或是怎麼樣做處理？ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-03-20T14:55:12.070000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-03-20T14:55:18.318000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
我剛剛講的第三點，我們可能必須考量如何讓中油是不是可以經過大家的同意來增資，而且是一定程度的增資，讓財務能夠穩定。 |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.849 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-03-20T14:55:28.390000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-03-20T14:55:30.291000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
好，我了解了，增資。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-03-20T14:55:30.451000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-03-20T14:55:47.635000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
所以有三個辦法，我重複一次：第一個，向金融業融資貸款；第二個，根據先前因應特別局勢條例中還能支用的部分來支應；第三個，可能針對中油進行增資，讓整體油價能因應美伊戰爭情勢對臺灣所造成的波及。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-03-20T14:55:47.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-03-20T14:55:49.816000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
我這樣的描述是正確的？好。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-03-20T14:55:50.456000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-03-20T14:56:03.543000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
接下來我請問一下，美國總統川普在3月14號時發文提到，只要是受荷姆茲海峽影響的國家，都有責任保衛荷姆茲海峽的安全。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.86 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-03-20T14:56:04.304000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-03-20T14:56:14.269000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
目前他點名的是一些合作比較緊密或有實力的國家，包含中國大陸、法國、日本、韓國跟英國在3月14號被點名。 |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-03-20T14:56:16.070000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-03-20T14:56:34.297000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
根據今天早上的最新消息，從14號到今天，經過協商，目前歐洲五國，即英國、法國、德國、義大利、荷蘭，還有日本，已經發布聯合聲明指出，準備要投入適當行動以確保荷姆茲海峽能安全通行。 |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.932 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-03-20T14:56:36.799000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-03-20T14:56:41.804000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
川普總統在17號說，有7個國家正在協商這個部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-03-20T14:56:42.384000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-03-20T14:56:51.873000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
所以我剛剛算了一下，以目前的歐洲5國再加日本一國，但川普在3月17號講有7個國家，所以我想請問，最後一個不會是中華民國吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-03-20T14:56:52.690000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-03-20T14:56:52.910000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
沒有吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-03-20T14:56:53.971000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-03-20T14:57:05.676000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
報告委員，就動用這種實際行動來說，行政院沒有辦法要求國軍做任何行動，從來也不是我們曾經有過的選項。 |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-03-20T14:57:05.676000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-03-20T14:57:08.798000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
當然，對很多國家來說，都不見得是他們有過的選項。 |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-03-20T14:57:08.938000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-03-20T14:57:19.223000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
我的問題是，我先了解一下，川普所點名的7個國家中，裡面有6個現在已經知道，還有一個不知道是誰，應該不是我們吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-03-20T14:57:19.483000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-03-20T14:57:19.904000+08:00 |
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我先跟你確認這點。 |
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0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-03-20T14:57:20.824000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-03-20T14:57:21.664000+08:00 |
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我想那個可能性極低。 |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-03-20T14:57:22.105000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-03-20T14:57:23.785000+08:00 |
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不是我們，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-03-20T14:57:23.945000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-03-20T14:57:34.370000+08:00 |
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再來就是前面有提到，我們如果受到美伊戰爭的原油價格衝擊，從川普的角度來說，基本上他就認為你也有責任。 |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.978 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-03-20T14:57:36.011000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-03-20T14:57:57.147000+08:00 |
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再加上臺灣跟美國的軍事外交合作相當緊密，所以我詢問一下，如果美方詢問臺灣是否能夠協防荷姆茲海峽，保護荷姆茲海峽──我用更溫和的說法，這不是戰爭概念，而是保護在荷姆茲海峽進出的船隻能夠安全通過。 |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-03-20T14:57:57.928000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-03-20T14:58:03.412000+08:00 |
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如果美方對我們提出這樣的要求，請問院長，我們的具體態度是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.607 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-03-20T14:58:03.772000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-03-20T14:58:05.194000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
能不能跟國人做說明？ |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-03-20T14:58:06.002000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-03-20T14:58:08.444000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
我先講原則的回應，再請部長說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-03-20T14:58:09.244000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-03-20T14:58:15.208000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
政府最要保護的是國人的安全以及我們航行船隻的安全，我們儘量保護這兩個安全。 |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-03-20T14:58:16.389000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-03-20T14:58:19.571000+08:00 |
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其他超越這個之外的，都不是行政院應該有的職權。 |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-03-20T14:58:20.172000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-03-20T14:58:29.678000+08:00 |
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國軍最大能力是在保衛國家、國人跟所有屬於我們中華民國國籍航空器及船舶的安全，除此之外，目前我們沒有任何計畫做更多的…… |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-03-20T14:58:29.678000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-03-20T14:58:30.278000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
是，目前還是…… |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-03-20T14:58:30.278000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-03-20T14:58:31.278000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
請部長說明一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-03-20T14:58:30.419000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-03-20T14:58:30.439000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
好，顧部長請說。 |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-03-20T14:58:35.081000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-03-20T14:58:36.522000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
簡要跟委員報告。 |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-03-20T14:58:37.683000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-03-20T14:58:45.726000+08:00 |
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最主要是我們現在面對中共每天在我們臺海周邊襲擾，每天至少都有五艘以上的軍艦…… |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-03-20T14:58:45.726000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-03-20T14:58:46.746000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
是啊，我了解。 |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-03-20T14:58:46.746000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2026-03-20T14:58:52.429000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
我們要應對的是高強度的灰帶襲擾，還有不斷可能的軍事威脅。 |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
0.808 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-03-20T14:58:53.189000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2026-03-20T14:59:03.795000+08:00 |
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所以我們整個國軍的重心，當然就是隨時警戒，利用所有各項情監偵手段及跟友盟的情資交換，來掌握臺海周邊，乃至於印太區域的…… |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0.704 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-03-20T14:59:03.795000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2026-03-20T14:59:06.156000+08:00 |
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我了解，我也非常同意。 |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-03-20T14:59:06.736000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2026-03-20T14:59:06.856000+08:00 |
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這是我們國軍現在的一個中心任務。 |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-03-20T14:59:06.856000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2026-03-20T14:59:11.299000+08:00 |
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我非常同意，我今天之所以會提出這個問題，也是出於憂慮！ |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-03-20T14:59:12.419000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2026-03-20T14:59:22.203000+08:00 |
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如果美方希望我們協助保護，在軍力上面做調整的話，我們就會面臨空虛的情況，謝謝兩位的回答。 |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2026-03-20T14:59:23.083000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2026-03-20T14:59:31.126000+08:00 |
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除此之外，我們看到有不少人，我就不一一點名了，但可以看一下投影片。 |
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0.793 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2026-03-20T14:59:32.786000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2026-03-20T14:59:47.353000+08:00 |
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有不少所謂臺派人士認為，我們應該請國軍去護航荷姆茲海峽，有人說這樣會記得臺灣、「揪甘心」；也有人講到我們應該要表態願意幫忙，似乎跟兩位剛剛所談及的方向不太一樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
0.375 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2026-03-20T14:59:48.774000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2026-03-20T15:00:08.847000+08:00 |
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針對這些，因為有部分人士開始說我們臺灣應該要去保護、協助、幫忙美伊戰爭，無論是能源、部隊或是武器、船隻，針對這個部分可不可以回應一下類似這樣在輿論上面的討論？ |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
0.493 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2026-03-20T15:00:10.492000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[113].end |
2026-03-20T15:00:17.882000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].text |
我想就國防部的立場，迄今為止我們沒有思考到有這樣的一個行動。 |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2026-03-20T15:00:18.483000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[114].end |
2026-03-20T15:00:27.194000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].text |
如果美國有公開的表示，比如川普公開點名臺灣，希望我們協助，我們仍然能夠維持一樣的立場嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2026-03-20T15:00:27.895000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[115].end |
2026-03-20T15:00:30.096000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].text |
我想這是一個假設性的問題…… |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2026-03-20T15:00:30.096000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[116].end |
2026-03-20T15:00:35.258000+08:00 |
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這不是假設性，因為他都點名其他國家了，我們之間的關係這麼緊密，他當然也有可能點名臺灣。 |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
0.872 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2026-03-20T15:00:35.538000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2026-03-20T15:00:36.838000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].text |
我們迄今沒有接獲這樣的…… |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2026-03-20T15:00:37.038000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2026-03-20T15:00:39.999000+08:00 |
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沒有，我要跟您說，這不是假設性的，為什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
0.765 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2026-03-20T15:00:39.999000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[119].end |
2026-03-20T15:00:42.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].text |
因為我剛講了幾個，川普的要件是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[119].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2026-03-20T15:00:42.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[120].end |
2026-03-20T15:01:05.895000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].text |
受到荷姆茲海峽影響的相關國家，我剛剛確認了我們是有的；再來，他點名的國家裡面，第一島鏈的部分，包含日本等國家也已經前往支援，或者是有一些，比如薩德飛彈移轉了，所以這不是一個假設性的問題，而是未來可能出現的情況，所以在它發生之前，我要先詢問我們國軍的立場是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
0.729 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2026-03-20T15:01:07.617000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[121].end |
2026-03-20T15:01:07.777000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].text |
請簡單說明一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[121].quality |
0.429 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[122].start |
2026-03-20T15:01:08.978000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[122].end |
2026-03-20T15:01:18.771000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].text |
因為委員的問題是說川普邀請，問題是川普現在……迄今為止我們沒有接獲任何川普邀請我們參與的訊息。 |
| transcript.gazette[122].quality |
0.907 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[123].start |
2026-03-20T15:01:18.771000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[123].end |
2026-03-20T15:01:19.771000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].text |
是，我很清楚啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[123].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[124].start |
2026-03-20T15:01:18.991000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[124].end |
2026-03-20T15:01:22.816000+08:00 |
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所以這確實是一個假設性的問題，這是第一點。 |
| transcript.gazette[124].quality |
0.737 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[125].start |
2026-03-20T15:01:22.816000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[125].end |
2026-03-20T15:01:41.395000+08:00 |
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第二點，我剛剛已經講過了，我們國軍的整個防衛任務就是在防衛臺澎金馬，所以我們整個的重心都是圍繞在現在日益升高的灰色地帶的襲擾以及可能對我們的軍事威脅，這是我們現在整個國軍的重要任務和使命。 |
| transcript.gazette[125].quality |
0.843 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[126].start |
2026-03-20T15:01:41.575000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[126].end |
2026-03-20T15:02:10.608000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].text |
好，我希望這個狀況可以一直維持，無論接下來有沒有被點名到需要去協助，因為看到這麼多所謂的臺派人士說我們應該要去，我其實並不是那麼同意，我比較站在剛剛顧部長跟卓院長的想法，以現在臺海的局勢來說，應該以優先守護中華民國為我們主要的要務，我希望假設真的有這麼一天被詢問的時候，我們也可以大力表達上述的立場。 |
| transcript.gazette[126].quality |
0.907 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[127].start |
2026-03-20T15:02:11.568000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[127].end |
2026-03-20T15:02:28.953000+08:00 |
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在美伊衝突的過程中，關於我國的軍備，我們臺灣有不少愛國者飛彈第三型，接續也有一些採購計畫，我想問一下院長，您了解愛國者三型飛彈在美國每年的產量大概是多少嗎？ |
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徐委員巧芯 |
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2026-03-20T15:02:28.953000+08:00 |
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如果不清楚，也可以請部長代為作答。 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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部長清楚美國的產量？ |
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徐委員巧芯 |
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是，愛國者飛彈第三型。 |
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顧部長立雄 |
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跟委員報告，我現在沒有辦法確實、立即回答你美國現在愛國者飛彈…… |
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徐委員巧芯 |
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是，我了解了。 |
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顧部長立雄 |
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因為愛國者飛彈不只在美國生產，也有共同生產，比如說日本。 |
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徐委員巧芯 |
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因為我們都是對美採購，所以我只問美國。 |
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徐委員巧芯 |
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為什麼我要問這個問題？ |
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徐委員巧芯 |
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我不是故意要考你們或者要考倒你們，而是因為我們今天要採購一批飛彈，然後我們是向美國採購的話，我們一定要了解它每年的產量是多少，這樣我才知道要採購時所規劃的期程能不能夠順利交貨，因為民眾會擔心有延宕交貨的風險，所以我才問這個問題。 |
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顧部長立雄 |
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跟委員報告，我們從建案開始，比如說我們要採購這些相關的武器系統，它都會跟我們討論需要的項目、數量、交運的期程…… |
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徐委員巧芯 |
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2026-03-20T15:03:32.200000+08:00 |
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是啊，但你要知道它的產能啊！ |
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顧部長立雄 |
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雙方簽署發價書之後，它跟合約商還要進行議約，才會…… |
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徐委員巧芯 |
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這個流程我都了解，我沒有任何異議，我毫無異議！ |
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徐委員巧芯 |
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但是我的意思是說，我們今天如果要採購飛彈多少枚，等一下我會具體講，我們應該要先知道人家每年度的產能，因為這樣在採購的時候才會比較清楚。 |
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顧部長立雄 |
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跟委員報告，任何採購它都有可能去新增產線啊！ |
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徐委員巧芯 |
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沒有問題，你也可以告訴我今年度、明年度它能夠新增多少產線、新增百分之多少，但是我現在先…… |
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顧部長立雄 |
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2026-03-20T15:04:06.246000+08:00 |
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它會根據全球…… |
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徐委員巧芯 |
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我要繼續往下告訴你，2025年愛國者飛彈…… |
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顧部長立雄 |
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它會根據跟各國同意交運的數量去跟合約商去議約。 |
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徐委員巧芯 |
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那我問你，2025年美國愛國者飛彈的產能是幾枚？ |
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徐委員巧芯 |
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2026-03-20T15:04:21.756000+08:00 |
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需要我告訴你答案對不對？ |
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徐委員巧芯 |
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一共是600枚。 |
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徐委員巧芯 |
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2026-03-20T15:04:24.719000+08:00 |
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為什麼我要講這個？ |
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徐委員巧芯 |
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因為從這個事情上可以看到，CSIS針對美伊戰爭的分析，戰爭的前100個小時內，美軍每日花費約8.914億美元，裡面關於我們講的愛國者防空飛彈的總數就已經超過800枚，所以基本上它一年能夠生產的量在10個小時內其實就已經用掉了，所以我的第一個點是說，美伊戰爭對於美方來說是消耗了重要的彈藥，那它接下來會有很高程度的需求，這是第一點。 |
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徐委員巧芯 |
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第二點，就算沒有美伊戰爭，我們拿過去四年俄烏戰爭為例，您知道嗎？ |
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徐委員巧芯 |
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烏克蘭所獲得的愛國者飛彈，這還是第二型、第三型2個算在一起，僅僅只有600枚而已。 |
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徐委員巧芯 |
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所以愛國者飛彈其實是相當稀有的，你不要告訴我說產線可能會增加，那你可以說產線會增加多少，如果你能告訴我這個數字、這個比例，我是可以接受的。 |
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徐委員巧芯 |
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但在此之前，我要談的是，我們可以看到瑞士、烏克蘭、波蘭都有採購愛國者飛彈，但他們目前全數面臨延宕的情況，我並不是現在要講臺灣一定會延宕或怎麼樣，我只是說出其他國家採購愛國者飛彈之後在目前所面臨的情況。 |
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徐委員巧芯 |
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可以看一下瑞士的報導，瑞士面臨美製防衛系統的進一步延宕，澤倫斯基警告烏克蘭會因為中東衝突面臨愛國者飛彈的短缺，波蘭預計美製武器的交付也會延宕。 |
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徐委員巧芯 |
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我們基本上有兩個部分跟愛國者三型飛彈有關，第一個是軍購結餘款200億所購買的102枚愛國者飛彈，空軍目前說不會受到中東情勢的影響，今年會如期交貨。 |
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徐委員巧芯 |
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可不可以請問一下，就我們目前的了解，102枚的愛國者飛彈具體而言是幾月會到貨？ |
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顧部長立雄 |
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跟委員報告，第一個，您說美國產量600枚的部分，我覺得我需要下去再做個查證，這是第一點。 |
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徐委員巧芯 |
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好，你去查證啊，我已經幫你查過了，你是不信我幫你查的就是了。 |
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顧部長立雄 |
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第二點是相關的採購案，當時我們用結餘款採購愛三飛彈的交運期程，到現在為止我們並沒有接獲有要遲延的部分，這個我們本來就是依照相關的節點來進行的。 |
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徐委員巧芯 |
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是，依照我們的節點，今年是在幾月要到貨啊？ |
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徐委員巧芯 |
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我剛剛的問題就是這個。 |
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顧部長立雄 |
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2026-03-20T15:07:00.447000+08:00 |
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我的了解是我們會在未來3年達到交運的……不對！不對！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[165].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
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2026-03-20T15:07:06.694000+08:00 |
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我講的是這102枚的部分啊！ |
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顧部長立雄 |
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2026-03-20T15:07:07.175000+08:00 |
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2026-03-20T15:07:11.172000+08:00 |
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對，您講的…… |
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徐委員巧芯 |
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2026-03-20T15:07:11.172000+08:00 |
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因為空軍的說法是今年就會到啊，今年會如期交運啊，這個是空軍公開的說法。 |
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徐委員巧芯 |
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2026-03-20T15:07:17.917000+08:00 |
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2026-03-20T15:07:23.180000+08:00 |
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我現在講的不是特別條例的，而是我們用200億已經購買的102枚愛國者飛彈。 |
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0.448 |
| transcript.gazette[169].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
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2026-03-20T15:07:23.941000+08:00 |
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2026-03-20T15:07:35.970000+08:00 |
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我再強調一次，空軍告訴我們的是不會受到國際情勢的影響，會正常交貨，這個我剛剛也同意您所說的，但具體而言，今年在什麼時間的節點能夠如期到貨？ |
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0.603 |
| transcript.gazette[170].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[170].start |
2026-03-20T15:07:36.630000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[170].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[170].end |
2026-03-20T15:07:37.371000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[170].text |
可不可以請您說明？ |
| transcript.gazette[170].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[171].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[171].start |
2026-03-20T15:07:38.731000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[171].end |
2026-03-20T15:07:43.073000+08:00 |
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您講的這個102枚是指後來用結餘款買的部分？ |
| transcript.gazette[171].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[172].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[172].start |
2026-03-20T15:07:43.073000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[172].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[172].end |
2026-03-20T15:07:44.273000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[172].text |
對，是的。 |
| transcript.gazette[172].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[173].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[173].start |
2026-03-20T15:07:44.273000+08:00 |
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2026-03-20T15:07:47.895000+08:00 |
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有關結餘款的這個部分，就我的了解，它並沒有遲延的通知。 |
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0.708 |
| transcript.gazette[174].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
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2026-03-20T15:07:49.015000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[174].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[174].end |
2026-03-20T15:07:51.376000+08:00 |
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我知道，我剛剛說了，但我問的是今年。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[175].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[175].start |
2026-03-20T15:07:52.036000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[175].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[175].end |
2026-03-20T15:07:55.117000+08:00 |
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今年要交運多少，這件事情我要回去再查證一下。 |
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0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[176].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[176].start |
2026-03-20T15:07:55.578000+08:00 |
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2026-03-20T15:07:56.478000+08:00 |
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你又要回去再查！ |
| transcript.gazette[176].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[177].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[177].start |
2026-03-20T15:07:56.718000+08:00 |
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2026-03-20T15:08:18.165000+08:00 |
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你也知道很多立法委員跟民眾都對於軍購期程的部分，我先不講延宕，以免你誤會，大家對軍購的期程都非常在意，而愛國者飛彈又是重中之重，今天在這裡您來備詢，然後我請問你今年度會交貨多少，在沒有延宕的情況下你沒有辦法回答我，這個我怎麼能夠接受呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[177].quality |
0.899 |
| transcript.gazette[178].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[178].start |
2026-03-20T15:08:18.965000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[178].guessed |
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2026-03-20T15:08:33.309000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，我很感謝委員對於數字跟期限有這麼精確的了解，在這個同樣的邏輯底下，也請委員能夠大力的來支持，讓我們可以有足夠能力去採購，就像現在我們去買…… |
| transcript.gazette[178].quality |
0.928 |
| transcript.gazette[179].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[179].start |
2026-03-20T15:08:33.309000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[179].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[179].end |
2026-03-20T15:08:34.309000+08:00 |
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這個我等一下會繼續跟您說，你先不要把事情弄到別的地方去……不是！ |
| transcript.gazette[179].quality |
0.036 |
| transcript.gazette[180].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[180].start |
2026-03-20T15:08:34.309000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[180].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[180].end |
2026-03-20T15:08:35.309000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[180].text |
先就事論事，等一下對於軍購條例我會再細細跟你討論，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[180].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[181].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[181].start |
2026-03-20T15:08:35.309000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[181].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[181].end |
2026-03-20T15:08:36.309000+08:00 |
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不要我問一個問題，好像把我當成敵人一樣，我沒有這個意思，我只是想要我剛剛的問題可以得到確切的答復，如果沒有辦法答復我，也可以告訴我說會後再跟我說明，也是可以的，好嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[181].quality |
0.013 |
| transcript.gazette[182].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[182].start |
2026-03-20T15:08:34.669000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[182].end |
2026-03-20T15:08:38.091000+08:00 |
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我們現在跟美國買這麼多的武器，現在我這樣站上來，委員臨時問我說今年要交運多少，你如果講一個項目我就要回答，我想我會……不是！ |
| transcript.gazette[182].quality |
0.582 |
| transcript.gazette[183].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[183].start |
2026-03-20T15:08:38.091000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[183].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[183].end |
2026-03-20T15:09:05.167000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[183].text |
可是因為空軍先前已經回答過了，他就是這樣講嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[183].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[184].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[184].start |
2026-03-20T15:09:05.167000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[184].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[184].end |
2026-03-20T15:09:09.590000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[184].text |
我可以同意我在會後…… |
| transcript.gazette[184].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[185].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[185].start |
2026-03-20T15:09:09.590000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[185].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[185].end |
2026-03-20T15:09:10.650000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[185].text |
好，沒問題，那就麻煩你了。 |
| transcript.gazette[185].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[186].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[186].start |
2026-03-20T15:09:10.650000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[186].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[186].end |
2026-03-20T15:09:14.632000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[186].text |
我們會後會就你講的這個持續案的部分…… |
| transcript.gazette[186].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[187].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[187].start |
2026-03-20T15:09:14.632000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[187].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[187].end |
2026-03-20T15:09:16.413000+08:00 |
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好、好、好，OK、OK，麻煩你了。 |
| transcript.gazette[187].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[188].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[188].start |
2026-03-20T15:09:16.413000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[188].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[188].end |
2026-03-20T15:09:23.338000+08:00 |
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你要了解相關個別武器系統的交運數量，我會在查證後，請他們跟委員做個報告。 |
| transcript.gazette[188].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[189].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[189].start |
2026-03-20T15:09:23.338000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[189].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[189].end |
2026-03-20T15:09:26.320000+08:00 |
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好，麻煩你了，請你以後先準備好再來，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[189].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[190].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[190].start |
2026-03-20T15:09:27.401000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[190].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[190].end |
2026-03-20T15:09:32.224000+08:00 |
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不然很多我問的問題都是這樣的回答方式，我擔心我的下一個問題會難度更高嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[190].quality |
0.676 |
| transcript.gazette[191].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[191].start |
2026-03-20T15:09:33.305000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[191].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[191].end |
2026-03-20T15:09:58.878000+08:00 |
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我接下來要討論到特別條例，行政院版本的特別條例應該有包含愛國者飛彈，從新聞報導可以看到，我們預計向美方再採購超過一個營規模的愛國者三型飛彈，如果是一個營的話，大概就是450到500枚左右，這個金額是不是評估大概4,000到5,000億？ |
| transcript.gazette[191].quality |
0.928 |
| transcript.gazette[192].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[192].start |
2026-03-20T15:10:00.238000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[192].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[192].end |
2026-03-20T15:10:13.021000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，我想您也知道，我們所有相關的這些對美軍購的案項，在美國還沒有進行知會國會之前，受臺美機密法規的規範，我們都是列為機密案。 |
| transcript.gazette[192].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[193].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[193].start |
2026-03-20T15:10:14.292000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[193].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[193].end |
2026-03-20T15:10:25.059000+08:00 |
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OK，好，所以這也是為什麼我從這個地方跟您說，為什麼大家對這個特別條例，無論它當初在付不付委的階段，或是現在審查的時候，會有所疑慮的原因。 |
| transcript.gazette[193].quality |
0.839 |
| transcript.gazette[194].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[194].start |
2026-03-20T15:10:25.439000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[194].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[194].end |
2026-03-20T15:10:32.903000+08:00 |
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因為我們要問的一些比較具體的內容，你也告訴我說，要等到發價書來了以後，你才能告訴我，這個也是核定…… |
| transcript.gazette[194].quality |
0.977 |
| transcript.gazette[195].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[195].start |
2026-03-20T15:10:32.903000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[195].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[195].end |
2026-03-20T15:10:33.903000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[195].text |
沒有、沒有、沒有…… |
| transcript.gazette[195].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[196].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[196].start |
2026-03-20T15:10:33.903000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[196].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[196].end |
2026-03-20T15:10:34.903000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[196].text |
這個也是、這個也是…… |
| transcript.gazette[196].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[197].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[197].start |
2026-03-20T15:10:33.283000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[197].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[197].end |
2026-03-20T15:10:37.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[197].text |
不是等到發價書，是等到知會國會之後……對啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[197].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[198].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[198].start |
2026-03-20T15:10:37.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[198].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[198].end |
2026-03-20T15:10:38.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[198].text |
好，沒關係…… |
| transcript.gazette[198].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[199].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[199].start |
2026-03-20T15:10:37.946000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[199].guessed |
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2026-03-20T15:10:40.107000+08:00 |
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過去所有的建案程序都是我們先編預算，然後對方再知會國會…… |
| transcript.gazette[199].quality |
0.615 |
| transcript.gazette[200].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[200].start |
2026-03-20T15:10:41.428000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[200].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[200].end |
2026-03-20T15:10:42.109000+08:00 |
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這個我等一下還會再細問。 |
| transcript.gazette[200].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[201].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[201].start |
2026-03-20T15:10:42.109000+08:00 |
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2026-03-20T15:10:46.032000+08:00 |
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但是我今天想要問你的是，我們現在假設，就是從新聞報導上看到，是除了原本我們剛剛講的已經用200億採購的102枚之外，還要採購一個營，大概450到500枚的飛彈。 |
| transcript.gazette[201].quality |
0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[202].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[202].start |
2026-03-20T15:11:00.783000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[202].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[202].end |
2026-03-20T15:11:18.367000+08:00 |
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那麼在我剛剛講的幾個條件：第一個，美方的產能有可能不足，這個你說你還要回去查嘛；第二個是美方戰爭有大量的需求，這個應該是具體的事實；以及第三點，我剛剛已經show給你看了，其他國家有延宕的情況，那我們憑什麼認為我們自己的採購不會有延宕？ |
| transcript.gazette[202].quality |
0.556 |
| transcript.gazette[203].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[203].start |
2026-03-20T15:11:19.328000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[203].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[203].end |
2026-03-20T15:11:30.235000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[203].text |
這個等之後，因為我覺得你現在可能沒有辦法回答我，因為你剛剛也講了，在國會授權之前等等的，那到底我們有什麼樣的自信心，在我剛剛講的這三點情況之下，能夠不延宕？ |
| transcript.gazette[203].quality |
0.746 |
| transcript.gazette[204].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[204].start |
2026-03-20T15:11:31.297000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[204].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[204].end |
2026-03-20T15:11:33.259000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[204].text |
還有，連102枚這部分，你剛剛也沒有告訴我時間。 |
| transcript.gazette[204].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[205].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[205].start |
2026-03-20T15:11:33.259000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[205].guessed |
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2026-03-20T15:11:40.949000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[205].text |
所以，如果需要會後回答，你可以會後回答我，但我在這裡表達我的態度，我是採一個質疑的立場，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[205].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[206].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[206].start |
2026-03-20T15:11:40.949000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[206].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[206].end |
2026-03-20T15:11:41.949000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[206].text |
好，因為我後面還有其他的問題要問你。 |
| transcript.gazette[206].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[207].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[207].start |
2026-03-20T15:11:41.949000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[207].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[207].end |
2026-03-20T15:11:42.949000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[207].text |
因為剛剛委員所問的一些問題，我想在還沒有知會國會之前，我們都要列為機密…… |
| transcript.gazette[207].quality |
0.03 |
| transcript.gazette[208].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[208].start |
2026-03-20T15:11:42.949000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[208].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[208].end |
2026-03-20T15:11:43.949000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[208].text |
好，沒有問題，我們現在接下來…… |
| transcript.gazette[208].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[209].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
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2026-03-20T15:11:43.949000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-20T15:11:44.949000+08:00 |
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我想我們就不在這裡做說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[209].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[210].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
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2026-03-20T15:11:42.010000+08:00 |
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2026-03-20T15:12:13.066000+08:00 |
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美伊戰爭消耗了不少高價值的重要彈藥，尋求第一島鏈的盟友援助，包含美國轉移了在韓國駐美軍的防空飛彈薩德的部分，還有愛國者防空飛彈，日本調動了2,500名陸戰隊員前往中東支援，這兩件事情都削弱美軍在整個太平洋戰區的反應能力。 |
| transcript.gazette[210].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[211].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[211].start |
2026-03-20T15:12:13.707000+08:00 |
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2026-03-20T15:12:35.298000+08:00 |
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我想問一下，因為我們2023年其實有簽署一個國防授權法案，其中的5503條有納入總統可以為臺灣地區建立緊急儲備，包含彈藥跟其他防禦物資的相關文字，請問一下，中華民國目前跟美方是不是已經有設置相關的措施，他調動武器的話是否需要我們的同意？ |
| transcript.gazette[211].quality |
0.981 |
| transcript.gazette[212].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
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2026-03-20T15:12:36.199000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[212].end |
2026-03-20T15:12:45.635000+08:00 |
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這個如果是機密不能回答，沒有關係，但是我想要請教的是，如果因為美伊衝突有需要相關的一些彈藥跟物資的移轉，我們是否會同意？ |
| transcript.gazette[212].quality |
0.891 |
| transcript.gazette[213].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[213].start |
2026-03-20T15:12:48.080000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[213].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[213].end |
2026-03-20T15:12:52.162000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[213].text |
剛剛您講到NDA裡面的這個部分，我想我沒有辦法公開做說明…… |
| transcript.gazette[213].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[214].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[214].start |
2026-03-20T15:12:52.162000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[214].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[214].end |
2026-03-20T15:12:54.783000+08:00 |
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是，沒有問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[214].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[215].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[215].start |
2026-03-20T15:12:54.783000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[215].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[215].end |
2026-03-20T15:12:58.625000+08:00 |
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但是我可以說明的是，美方並沒有要求我們在這裡要有…… |
| transcript.gazette[215].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[216].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[216].start |
2026-03-20T15:12:58.625000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[216].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[216].end |
2026-03-20T15:13:02.987000+08:00 |
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好，美方現在並沒有，我知道，因為你回答過這個問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[216].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[217].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[217].start |
2026-03-20T15:13:02.987000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[217].end |
2026-03-20T15:13:29.988000+08:00 |
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但是很有趣的是，您當初回答的是這樣子，根據路透社的報導，說有媒體詢問，你說確實美國目前沒有跟臺灣接觸向中東轉移武器，可是它寫你在立法院裡面跟記者說，只有在美方提出要求的情況之下，才能重新部署臺灣的任何美製武器，如果發生這種情況的話，運輸責任將由美方承擔。 |
| transcript.gazette[217].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[218].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[218].start |
2026-03-20T15:13:29.988000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[218].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[218].end |
2026-03-20T15:13:31.449000+08:00 |
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那我請問一下，這些…… |
| transcript.gazette[218].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[219].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[219].start |
2026-03-20T15:13:32.310000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[219].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[219].end |
2026-03-20T15:13:40.675000+08:00 |
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這個部分跟委員報告，這個部分是指已經……我記得這個部分是指我們已經淘汰的武器。 |
| transcript.gazette[219].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[220].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[220].start |
2026-03-20T15:13:41.295000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[220].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[220].end |
2026-03-20T15:13:41.755000+08:00 |
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喔，淘汰的。 |
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0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[221].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[221].start |
2026-03-20T15:13:42.035000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[221].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[221].end |
2026-03-20T15:13:45.116000+08:00 |
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那你可以說明，因為我現在問你，所以你可以盡量說明，沒有問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[221].quality |
0.885 |
| transcript.gazette[222].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[222].start |
2026-03-20T15:13:45.116000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[222].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[222].end |
2026-03-20T15:13:47.117000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[222].text |
你當初的想法是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[222].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[223].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[223].start |
2026-03-20T15:13:47.317000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[223].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[223].end |
2026-03-20T15:13:50.318000+08:00 |
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對對對，因為當時在詢問的，我記得沒有錯，是在講鷹式飛彈。 |
| transcript.gazette[223].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[224].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[224].start |
2026-03-20T15:13:50.718000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[224].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[224].end |
2026-03-20T15:13:52.119000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[224].text |
OK，鷹式飛彈。 |
| transcript.gazette[224].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[225].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[225].start |
2026-03-20T15:13:52.119000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[225].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[225].end |
2026-03-20T15:14:00.982000+08:00 |
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所以您的意思是說，如果有一些中華民國已經淘汰、不太需要的武器，如果美方在這個……淘汰是到什麼樣的程度？就是…… |
| transcript.gazette[225].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[226].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[226].start |
2026-03-20T15:14:00.982000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[226].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[226].end |
2026-03-20T15:14:04.023000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[226].text |
就是我們已經汰除，汰除之後給……汰除？ |
| transcript.gazette[226].quality |
0.267 |
| transcript.gazette[227].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[227].start |
2026-03-20T15:14:04.023000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[227].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[227].end |
2026-03-20T15:14:18.295000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[227].text |
好，我們已經汰除的相關的彈藥也好，飛彈也好，美方如果有向臺灣提出需求，美方在負擔運輸成本的情況之下，我們會提供，是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[227].quality |
0.942 |
| transcript.gazette[228].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[228].start |
2026-03-20T15:14:18.935000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[228].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[228].end |
2026-03-20T15:14:20.817000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[228].text |
相關所有的費用都會由他來承擔。 |
| transcript.gazette[228].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[229].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[229].start |
2026-03-20T15:14:20.817000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[229].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[229].end |
2026-03-20T15:14:21.797000+08:00 |
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相關所有的費用？ |
| transcript.gazette[229].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[230].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[230].start |
2026-03-20T15:14:22.018000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[230].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[230].end |
2026-03-20T15:14:24.459000+08:00 |
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所以我整理一次，您聽聽看是不是這樣子。 |
| transcript.gazette[230].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[231].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[231].start |
2026-03-20T15:14:24.880000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[231].guessed |
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2026-03-20T15:14:42.753000+08:00 |
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就是如果美方今天有需求，他在中東的戰事非常緊張，然後我們臺灣這裡有一批可能是我們現在已經淘汰的各種軍備，美方在承擔所有的經濟運輸的成本之後，我們提供給美國到中東的戰事去做使用，您的意思是這樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[231].quality |
0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[232].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[232].start |
2026-03-20T15:14:45.068000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[232].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[232].end |
2026-03-20T15:14:49.350000+08:00 |
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我想您剛剛講到什麼到中東戰事去做運用啦或者等等…… |
| transcript.gazette[232].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[233].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[233].start |
2026-03-20T15:14:49.350000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[233].guessed |
1 |
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2026-03-20T15:14:50.350000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[233].text |
你的意思就是這樣啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[233].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[234].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[234].start |
2026-03-20T15:14:49.710000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[234].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[234].end |
2026-03-20T15:14:58.694000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[234].text |
甚至包括具體的是哪些武器，我只是在說，當時記者是在問我們已經汰除的這些裝備。 |
| transcript.gazette[234].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[235].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[235].start |
2026-03-20T15:14:58.694000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[235].guessed |
1 |
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2026-03-20T15:14:59.694000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[235].text |
是、是、是，您剛剛解釋過了，我剛剛有聽過了。 |
| transcript.gazette[235].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[236].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[236].start |
2026-03-20T15:14:58.874000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[236].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[236].end |
2026-03-20T15:15:02.676000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[236].text |
我也沒有能夠真正的證實是什麼樣子的武器系統。 |
| transcript.gazette[236].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[237].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[237].start |
2026-03-20T15:15:03.616000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[237].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[237].end |
2026-03-20T15:15:04.277000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[237].text |
你剛剛有講一部分嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[237].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[238].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[238].start |
2026-03-20T15:15:04.978000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[238].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[238].end |
2026-03-20T15:15:08.641000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[238].text |
對，我是在說記者是這樣講，但是我沒有辦法去做這樣一個具體的回應。 |
| transcript.gazette[238].quality |
0.828 |
| transcript.gazette[239].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[239].start |
2026-03-20T15:15:08.641000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[239].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[239].end |
2026-03-20T15:15:08.941000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[239].text |
OK，我沒有扭曲你的發言嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[239].quality |
0.583 |
| transcript.gazette[240].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[240].start |
2026-03-20T15:15:08.941000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[240].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[240].end |
2026-03-20T15:15:09.941000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[240].text |
委員，我們要鄭重的說明一下…… |
| transcript.gazette[240].quality |
0.083 |
| transcript.gazette[241].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[241].start |
2026-03-20T15:15:09.101000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[241].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[241].end |
2026-03-20T15:15:12.525000+08:00 |
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我只能說，我們就美製的武器，他交運給我們之後，我們汰除之後，美方有任何的要求，我們會配合…… |
| transcript.gazette[241].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[242].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[242].start |
2026-03-20T15:15:12.525000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[242].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[242].end |
2026-03-20T15:15:19.471000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[242].text |
好，了解、了解。 |
| transcript.gazette[242].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[243].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[243].start |
2026-03-20T15:15:19.471000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[243].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[243].end |
2026-03-20T15:15:21.932000+08:00 |
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然後相關的費用由美方來承擔。 |
| transcript.gazette[243].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[244].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[244].start |
2026-03-20T15:15:21.932000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[244].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[244].end |
2026-03-20T15:15:22.572000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[244].text |
我了解了。 |
| transcript.gazette[244].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[245].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[245].start |
2026-03-20T15:15:23.792000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[245].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[245].end |
2026-03-20T15:15:27.513000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[245].text |
委員，拜託，我們要向國人表示，這些問題現在都沒有發生。 |
| transcript.gazette[245].quality |
0.826 |
| transcript.gazette[246].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[246].start |
2026-03-20T15:15:27.713000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[246].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[246].end |
2026-03-20T15:15:29.333000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[246].text |
我知道，我剛剛一開始的時候我就有…… |
| transcript.gazette[246].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[247].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[247].start |
2026-03-20T15:15:29.353000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[247].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[247].end |
2026-03-20T15:15:31.974000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[247].text |
你先變成一個標題說美方已經向我們……絕對沒有發生這樣的事。 |
| transcript.gazette[247].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[248].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[248].start |
2026-03-20T15:15:32.254000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[248].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[248].end |
2026-03-20T15:15:35.494000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[248].text |
沒有、沒有，你別這麼說，我是第一個剛剛在談這件事情，就把這個東西點出來了。 |
| transcript.gazette[248].quality |
0.688 |
| transcript.gazette[249].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[249].start |
2026-03-20T15:15:35.494000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[249].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[249].end |
2026-03-20T15:15:36.494000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[249].text |
我說我們澄清一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[249].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[250].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[250].start |
2026-03-20T15:15:35.714000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[250].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[250].end |
2026-03-20T15:15:39.735000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[250].text |
我沒有去對你們的這整件事情產生任何的誤解跟扭曲。 |
| transcript.gazette[250].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[251].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[251].start |
2026-03-20T15:15:39.915000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[251].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[251].end |
2026-03-20T15:15:44.236000+08:00 |
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而且這個重點是這個跟現在發生的美伊戰爭沒有什麼關係。 |
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0.96 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-20T15:15:44.817000+08:00 |
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2026-03-20T15:15:48.098000+08:00 |
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我想委員跟我們一起澄清，現在這些事情都是沒有發生，不要變成……是啊！ |
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0.759 |
| transcript.gazette[253].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
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2026-03-20T15:15:48.679000+08:00 |
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2026-03-20T15:15:51.440000+08:00 |
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我問的問題是，如果人家有問的話。 |
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1 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-20T15:15:51.440000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-20T15:15:52.440000+08:00 |
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希望外界不要誤會，沒有發生這樣的事情。好。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[255].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
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2026-03-20T15:15:51.620000+08:00 |
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2026-03-20T15:15:59.525000+08:00 |
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接下來我要詢問的是川習會，川習會對中華民國來講，大家比較尷尬的就是我們的軍購案。 |
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0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[256].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
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2026-03-20T15:16:00.886000+08:00 |
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2026-03-20T15:16:09.431000+08:00 |
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紐約時報指出，我們的軍購案被推遲是因為怕激怒習近平，他們要川習會，顧部長是說會如期進行，請問到底哪一方面才是正確的？ |
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0.981 |
| transcript.gazette[257].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
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2026-03-20T15:16:09.431000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[257].guessed |
1 |
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2026-03-20T15:16:10.892000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[257].text |
我們的軍購到底有沒有因為川習會被推遲？ |
| transcript.gazette[257].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[258].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
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2026-03-20T15:16:10.892000+08:00 |
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2026-03-20T15:16:24.720000+08:00 |
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我想我已經做過說明了，相關的這些還沒有知會國會之前，都是屬於機密案件，所有的這些，有可能這些案項都在美國的內部審查當中，沒有…… |
| transcript.gazette[258].quality |
0.912 |
| transcript.gazette[259].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
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2026-03-20T15:16:24.840000+08:00 |
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2026-03-20T15:16:26.301000+08:00 |
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所以應該說你不知道有沒有被推遲，是嗎？ |
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0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[260].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
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2026-03-20T15:16:26.301000+08:00 |
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2026-03-20T15:16:26.741000+08:00 |
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沒有接獲通知有任何遲延的狀況，我只能回答到這個地方。好。 |
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0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[261].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
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2026-03-20T15:16:26.761000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[261].end |
2026-03-20T15:16:27.622000+08:00 |
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因為您問的都是還沒有知會國會的部分。 |
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0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[262].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
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2026-03-20T15:16:27.722000+08:00 |
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2026-03-20T15:16:42.731000+08:00 |
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你本來講的是這個是在如期進行，但是現在告訴我的是改成，因為美方這裡還沒有知會國會的話，那我們不方便評論，是這麼說的吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[262].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[263].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
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2026-03-20T15:16:43.812000+08:00 |
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2026-03-20T15:16:45.453000+08:00 |
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但是比較尷尬的是…… |
| transcript.gazette[263].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[264].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[264].start |
2026-03-20T15:16:45.453000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[264].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[264].end |
2026-03-20T15:16:46.774000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[264].text |
這個講法沒有…… |
| transcript.gazette[264].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[265].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[265].start |
2026-03-20T15:16:46.774000+08:00 |
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2026-03-20T15:16:49.076000+08:00 |
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沒有改變，都是這樣子。什麼？ |
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0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[266].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[266].start |
2026-03-20T15:16:52.318000+08:00 |
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2026-03-20T15:17:02.226000+08:00 |
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我想有兩點，第一點，沒有知會國會之前都是屬於機密的；第二點，有關相關的這些還沒有知會國會的部分，還在美國的內部審議當中。了解。 |
| transcript.gazette[266].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[267].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[267].start |
2026-03-20T15:17:03.907000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[267].end |
2026-03-20T15:17:05.829000+08:00 |
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因為時間不夠，我理解你的意思。 |
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0.385 |
| transcript.gazette[268].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[268].start |
2026-03-20T15:17:06.149000+08:00 |
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2026-03-20T15:17:20.521000+08:00 |
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我最後要問一個，就是川普他講說要跟習近平談對臺軍售，談完之後才會做決定，這個說法是違反我們的六項保證裡面的第二項保證，我最後想要請卓院長針對這個違反六項保證裡面的第二項保證做一些陳述。 |
| transcript.gazette[268].quality |
0.943 |
| transcript.gazette[269].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[269].start |
2026-03-20T15:17:21.783000+08:00 |
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2026-03-20T15:17:23.144000+08:00 |
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就是美方跟我們之間的關係跟所有的行為，不需要經過中華人民共和國同意，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[269].quality |
0.353 |
| transcript.gazette[270].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[270].start |
2026-03-20T15:17:23.644000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[270].guessed |
1 |
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2026-03-20T15:17:24.644000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[271].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[271].start |
2026-03-20T15:17:24.944000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-20T15:17:31.801143+08:00 |
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謝謝徐巧芯委員質詢，謝謝卓院長、相關部會首長備詢，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[271].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[272].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-03-20T15:17:32.101143+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-20T15:17:37.244000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[272].text |
下面一位委員質詢之後，我們將會休息10分鐘。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[273].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-03-20T15:17:37.544000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-20T15:17:39.544000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[273].text |
卓院長，喝口水吧！ |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[274].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-03-20T15:17:39.844000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-20T15:17:42.986857+08:00 |
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接下來請郭昱晴委員質詢。 |
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0 |