| IVOD_ID |
167537 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167537 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第3次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第3次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-17T10:51:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-17T11:22:22+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:30:40 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:51:42 - 11:22:22 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第3次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「本院秉持國家安全優先、強力捍衛領土完整之原則，若美方發價書明文公布之拖式、標槍飛彈續購及M109A7自走砲等三項對美軍購案簽約期程屆至之前尚未完成相關預算之審議，茲授權行政院先行與美方簽署發價書（LOA），以保障國家戰略利益。行政院應於簽署後即刻向立法院提出完整相關武器交貨期程報告，回歸審議常軌，履行行政院於預算編列前後完整說明之義務，不得再以『國家安全』為名，規避民主審議與理性監督。」是否有當？請公決案等2案。（3月13日）二、同意權之行使事項：本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告審查行政院函送中央選舉委員會委員提名名單，游盈隆為委員並為主任委員，胡博硯為委員並為副主任委員，黃文玲、李禮仲、蘇嘉宏、蘇子喬及陳宗義均為委員，請同意案。（3月13日）三、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。（3月17日）四、3月13日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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江副院長,有請卓院長請卓院長備選院長好,來喔,辛苦了我們今天先談這個原住民族的教育 |
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這個原住民的保障升學保障從民國五十幾年就開始了今天所呈現出來是71年教育部早期是臺灣省政府教育廳在辦民國五十幾年五十幾年就開始就我們就讀大專報考就讀大專校宴降低入期標準25%不限名 |
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在民國91年的時候教育部修正了這個辦法特別明訂只限外加名額限1%委員者外加名額之前是沒有外加只要降低入企標準25%就入企然後在95年的時候又做了修正 |
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以外加百分之二為限然後102年做了修正建議修正後來是專案調高部分的科系百分之五外加百分之五部分的科系而已在這樣的一個前提之下我們看我們原住民 |
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就讀大專校園的學生的出債協力全國如果我們107協年度全國是85.8%到113協年度全國已經高達94.35%但是原住民跟非原住民的落差原住民一直維持在百分之五十幾而落差的差距從107協年度的31.9% |
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已經增加到36.85%這個落差一直增加從過去國民政府時代民國五十幾年我們原住民的過去的歷任的立法委員或是主任委員或是部會所相關的這些審議員都是因為有這個降低入籍百分之二十五才有機會去念大寫所以在這樣一個前提之下 |
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就請行政院這個能夠督促教育部能夠把它調高為現在是專案調高部分的科系5%現在就全部改為外加5%部長是不是可以趕快修正 |
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報告委員都是國家的國民在教育平權的理念之下我們當然希望能夠教育更多的下一代的青年人讓他能夠為國家多做更多的服務跟貢獻那現在也是一個少子化的時代那目前到底這個數字呈現出來是怎麼樣我們先來了解我們了解之後我們再來看看是否有更好的一個空間請部長來說明現在原住民就學的比例 |
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我已經質詢部長很多次了就按照剛才這個院長所答覆的就請教育部事實上如果我們從這個比例來看真的是落差很大這是第一個第二少子女化 |
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很多的大學生大學很多的大專校院大學其實是名額都沒有招不足所以這個部分是真的是可以可以去調整就請教一步是不是一個月之內能夠 |
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現況說明一下跟委員報告我們現在以今年115學年度來看我們這一個各個管道原住民外加的名額已經有8286名那這裡面的詔我們的詔聲書面報告都已經給我了已經達到8.69我跟委員報告 |
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事後我再把詳細的資料我都拿到了上次我諮詢之後你順便那也感謝我也長期關心這個研究的效益我們確實現在對像土木啊或者有許多的一些農業或者科技的一些我們也逐步的在尋求跟這個大學的合作看開專班來協助有啊那個都有我知道那個我都清楚我們接下來看這個跟我們的 |
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能夠考上了好不容易考上了能不能繼續就學就跟這個這個協雜費的減免也有關係這個協雜費的減免也是在民國五十幾年就開始了然後這個減免應該要調高這事實上原住民族教育法也規定應該要減免這個協雜費然後如果我們看這個112年開始行政院針對 |
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私立的大專校的學雜費減免了少繳了3.5萬但是這個對原住民毫無受益如果我們看這個教育部所訂的這個減免辦法 |
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從107年1月11號修正到現在已經8年一個月了院長 部長已經8年一個月都沒有調整所以從物價指數各方面來看也應該要調整這可以趕快調整嗎今年的預算來不及 明年的預算是不是可以來得及 |
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我們就以明年的預算來開始趕快去修正這個辦法 |
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委員你應該知道我們對於私立大學的學生3.5萬的補助這應該是任何身份都能夠享受得到的沒有 原住民因為本來就繳得比較少所以完全沒有收益 這樣了解嗎 完全沒有收益是 我們是分擔 減輕所有人的負擔但是對原住民來說 完全沒有收益並沒有這樣子增加負擔 |
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所以如果就單從原住民來看107年1月到現在也該調整了好不好趕快調整再請部長去研究看看我們已經有新的制度了那新的制度跟過去的制度怎麼樣來使用上對原住民朋友107年到現在真的很久了接下來那就請部長請回座這個內政部跟這個園民會 |
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原住民族專屬的社會住宅我再讓院長還有部長還有園民會來回顧一下民國八十一年台灣省政府就興建了原住民國宅總共花了一億五千多萬這個是原住民國宅八十四年內政部台灣省政府跟台北縣政府 |
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花了兩億一千多萬原住民的中正經店的國宅在民國八十八年中央人民會編列了四億九千多萬設置了汐止花東新村的原住民的住宅 |
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民國九十一年蘇貞昌當台北縣縣長的時候也跟中央人民會我那時候是副組委也是協助編列了兩億八千多萬的經費在三峽的原住民文化部落這個是當時的一個現在的照片 |
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我刚刚讲的都是还没有原住民族基本法的时候还没有住宅法的时候原住民族基本法第十六条规定政府应策定原住民族的住宅政策第28条也规定对都会区的原住民要保障他安居安居的一个这个权利住宅法住宅法第二条第四项105年 |
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12月修正目的事業主管機關因視原住民主義教育及語言文化的需要為什麼會提到教育語言文化因為我們在都會期如果上機的話你要說相關的這些課程都是教育的提升有它的困難集中在一個 |
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社會住宅的話集中在一個國小集中在一個國中各方面的這些教育的提升都會有幫助所以才會有住宅法第二條第四項的一個規定所以要新辦專攻原住民族的社會住宅這個法例從105年到現在也很多年了但是 |
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我雖然106年諮詢過內政部當時內政部說可以用內政部的住宅基金但是這麼多年了之後我們看原住民在都會區的住宅的自由率的落差高達27%到30%落差很大尤其是我們原住民的都會區的人口 |
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已經占全臺灣原住民的人口占了2.63%所以有52.63%在都會區有設戶籍的如果加上沒有設戶籍戶籍還在原鄉的所以平常居住在都會區的高達70%以上所以這些住宅 |
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尤其是在成都的住宅如果有社會住宅的話會更好對原住民的教育語言文化的傳承都會有很大的幫助台中市新北市桃園市政府曾經提出三個社會住宅專攻原住民的社會住宅但是內政府說沒有錢園民會也說沒有錢 |
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我們本來很希望移民會的綜合發展基金也可以來使用移民會也說沒有錢所以這個部分住宅法已經修正九年三個月了現在連一個原住民族的社會住宅都沒有 |
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要跟延期法之前政府都可以主動編列這麼多的經費是不是內政部 人民會是不是請行政院 院長 督促督導他們這個提供相關的這些資源 |
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請劉部長來答覆謝謝院長謝謝鄭委員的關心我先跟鄭委員講一下住宅法的主管機關當然是內政部但是我們所興建的社會住宅是只租不賣跟剛剛委員所提到說原住民在都會地區裡面自有住宅比率是不一樣的 |
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完全不一樣的不是自由住宅這第一個那現在呢我們根據啊如果是原民會他是目的事業主管機關他跟地方政府有達成共識需要來興辦那前期的規劃的話我們在經費上面可以補助 |
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那另外一個也跟委員報告一下現在行政院通過的百萬戶租屋家庭的這個計畫裡面有三種包括原住民身份的人都可以來申請一個是租金補貼一個是包租代管這是民宅那另外一個就是社會住宅那您剛剛也看到了社會住宅從 |
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土地開始取得到真正建構完成通常都要8年到10年以上的時間所以對於目前比較需求社會住宅的人我們會鼓勵他從這個地方政府開始去申請剛剛我說的這三項補助租金補貼也可以包租代管也可以社會住宅當然也可以那目前在新北聚落裡面所需要的這個社宅的比例中央是三分之二地方是三分之一 |
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你講的那些我都知道,尤其是租屋補助是我開創的。我在延民會當副主委的時候,跟當時的尤哈尼主委,跟當時的行政院張俊雄院長提出租屋補助開辦的政策。 |
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是從原住民開始後來才擴大到由內政部來主管擴大到不分主權那個我都很清楚我們現在談的是說法例既然明定住宅法明定已經九年三個多月了 |
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要興建 要興辦原住民族的專攻那是根據原住民族的教育法不是根據住宅法住宅法裡面規定的目的事業主管機關包括其他的部會如果有需求 譬如說交通部 經濟部也可以這樣子來興建那我們站在住宅法上面是會協助包括在規劃的階段 籌備的階段或者是都市計畫要通過的階段都可以來協助那個 部長 |
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這個是住宅法第二條的第四項住宅法的第二條的第四項不是原住民主基本法好 這個議題還是要請院長那個會後能夠跟請這個內政部跟人民會還是要法律既然制定了而且這個制定的時候 |
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938.667 |
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民進黨在立法院是多數是支持的所以這個部分請趕快來去處理這個部長請回座接下來原住民族綜合發展基金這個很重要如果有這個基金如果能夠維持這個基金剛才講的那些問題經費來源都不是問題 |
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好我們看原住民族基本法第18條規定要設原住民族綜合發展基金早期叫經濟事業發展基金是我在台灣省政府擔任原住民行政局副局長的時候應省議員的要求開始設了這個基金當初的目標就是100億精神之後立法委員繼續督促園民會要設這個 |
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995.501 |
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所以原住民族綜合發展基金曾經高達結算數是多少呢117億7千多萬億然後因為違法挪用了中央政府違法挪用作為禁法補償之用總共違法挪用到53億多將近54億 |
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將近54億在這樣的一個情形之下這個結算數113年已經是累積短數68億8千多萬在這個我們立法院在第九屆第二會期第九屆第二會期做了一個結議當時民進黨在立法院是絕對多數也同意也支持這個提案 |
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原住民族綜合發展基金這個用在禁法補償是有違預算法及延期法而且這個決議特別提到以行政院應發款應發款這被挪用的53億將近54億這個經費如果能夠有的話 |
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剛講的等一下我會接機包括後面我要講的包括住宅這新辦就有這個經費來去支應所以這個部分這個院長因為這個部分不是延民會所可以決定的預算的編列要不要增加這個公務預算來去撥補 |
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1081.629 |
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1098.24 |
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這個基金是行政院的前者院長是不是可以依立法院的決議發還被挪用的54億左右的經費我記得鄭委員在過去也提過這個問題 |
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那當初我們說這個綜合發展基金的用途如何目前有沒有發生在財務使用上的一些急迫性需求請園民會來說先做說那個這個園民會的曾志偉他已經跟我說明過很多次了事實上真的是沒有這個經費 |
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在運用上是真的是差很多會逐年把這個經費會補過只是說沒有辦法一下子補這麼多了會逐年都有就是說還給我們那就要請這個主委多多多多的向院長跟主計長來報告來拜託 |
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多撥補一點會多撥補一點對法定的基金我認為一定先維持在用途上不發生困難第二我們看國家的財政狀況如何逐年來達到法定基金的法定條件有這個基金剛講的專屬原住民族的社會住宅就會有很大的幫助我剛要講為什麼住宅法會這樣子定 |
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他的除了一般的安基之外最重要的就是为了教育为了教育我说个故事我刚提到了租屋补助是怎么来的是因为 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
1202.796 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
1231.839 |
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我常常在度會期拜訪我們的鄉親我從省府一直到中央服務的時候去拜訪我們的鄉親我們的鄉親因為沒有辦法租適當的房子就租一小間一家大大小小住在一起就一間晚上父母親在那邊看電視孩子在 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
1232.486 |
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住在旁边做功课还真的做功课吗一直看电视一直听电视对教育已经到都会期了我们过去讲原住民族教育的问题过去在偏乡是因为相关的这些资源有限已经到都会期了结果仍然没有办法提升原住民族的教育所以我才会提出租屋布助 |
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租屋補助是這樣來的當初跟這個當時的經濟經建會當時叫經建會審查的時候做了說明也跟行政院做了說明之後很快就通過了有這個租屋補助是這樣是跟教育 |
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現在的話就跟以炎無患都能夠所以能夠有這個基金可以做很多事情而不是說主委我們不要這個說我現在能做多少就好我們要有更好的何況法律已經明定專屬的這個原住民的社會住宅會也會包括到下面原住民保留地的貸款 |
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你看我們這個貸款當然要謝謝主委積極的去協調相關的機關銀行信用保證作業要點定出來了現在開始實施了但是如果我們以跟其他的房貸的利率比較的話借款人 原住民保留地的借款人負擔2.72% |
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1339.704 |
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1368.044 |
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人民會補貼1.28%總共4%要給銀行現在是三家銀行嘛對不對對4%那一般的銀行都是2%點多1點多的你看這個比較差那麼多如果我們綜合發展基金更有經費的話不一定要補貼這個利息我們用保證 |
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1369.369 |
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如果萬一我們的鄉親沒有還這個貸款原住民保留地拍賣只能原住民買但是如果有這個綜合發展基金跟銀行說跟土銀說我保證全部還 |
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那他的利率自然就會降低所以這個部分跟我有關係因為我們這次的這個信用貸款的這個利率已經比一般的銀行要稍微低了那麼我還是好不容易就是說我們希望原住民保留地能夠有這個價值可以去貸款主委我沒有否定這個政策很好這過去曾經有過我當副主委的時候也曾經有過是中斷了很長的時間 |
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1415.881 |
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陳水扁當總統 詹仲雄當院長的時候我們提出過 也實施過但後來因為其他因素我就不多說了 然後就中斷現在 鄭助理你讓他能夠恢復很好這個也是停了很久了啦現在才 現在我們要趕快來做行政院必須要給你更好的而且是依法依法 原住民族基本法第18條有這個法例 |
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然后也曾经高达100多亿的综合发展基金我们把它弄回来还回来还回来之后自然你就可以可以更善用这个基金包括我们原住民的相关的这些住宅或者是这些贷款 |
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甚至其他的創業貸款都會更好會更好對原住民族而言是更有幫助但是這個貸款其實是真的是目前來講以前沒有做過我們現在來做我相信這一定更能夠照顧我們原住民的族人至少目前的因為基金有限了所以目前的這個利率是比以前對我們原住民 |
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1492.165 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
1512.712 |
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包括移民會來講都是負擔比較重的也希望我們的族人能夠自己我們一起提升自己的壽性條件這畢竟是貸款不是補助啦這個我要特別跟族人特別這樣報告好 原住民自治及屠海法 |
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1515.262 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
1542.879 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
這個上一次質詢卓院長的時候在去年的10月31號質詢卓院長請行政院遵守中華民國的憲法 正修條文然後陳水扁總統以延續民主陳水扁總統代表中華民國政府以延續民主簽訂的協定也就是條約然後延續民主基本法然後蔡總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
1544.458 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
1564.133 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
向原住民族的承諾就是加快腳步將原住民族自治法及土海法送到立法院來審議行政院也曾經在105年承諾在105年的12月底以前會將土海法送到立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
1565.526 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
1578.841 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
上次質詢的時候特別請院長在12月以前提出這兩個草案而現在這兩個草案都沒有當然諸位院長還會說以前送來都幾進幾出 |
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| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
1606.134 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
這個不能成為一個因為我上次有講上次送的都很晚都已經立法院要會期快要到了才送來曾經有一次真正在立法院有審查我先談 |
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1607.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
1632.981 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
在110年3月12號我質詢朱正昌前院長的時候他說我會分流立法分流立法我現在給院長給政務委員可以請指派政務委員來去研議跟相關部會行政院曾經在103年12月18號送了原住民主自治的暫行條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
1635.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
1663.412 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
會有這個暫行條例是當時的考試院院長當時的考試院院長名字一下子講不起來這個他跟這個姚家文考試院院長他跟當時的孫大川擔任主任委員的時候所提的建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
1664.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
1682.673 |
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他給的建議是什麼呢?原住民族要自治可以,但是不要影響到相關,尤其是花蓮台東的縣,不要造成廢縣。所以他提出了像國家公園區域的概念。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
1710.521 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
國家公園這樣的一個區域所以行政院 人民會行政院同意就送了這個自治暫行條例在地法院審查了非常多次委員會還有朝野協商基本上完成協商那是很可惜沒有三讀通過可以現在可以再拿來討論它的一個足跡自治政府 |
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1711.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
1739.845 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
他不影響原來地方自治的事項華聯縣政府台東縣政府屏東縣政府的自治不影響他就針對傳統社會服務民族教育文化及語言自然保育原住民族土地及自然資源的管理事業經營及管理這個部分所以這個部分因為時間的關係就請這個也很複雜就請院長是不是指派 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
1740.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
1768.678 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
政務委員召集相關的部會來討論當時的草案怎麼樣包括立法院當時協商的一些條文的一個建議可以嗎我們會整理先請委員會要整理出來我們整理出來跟院長報告好不好好接下來這個原住民族重大的歷史事件這個要跟院長特別來說明 |
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1770.982 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
1793.495 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
蔡總統在105年8月1號特別提到400年來每一個曾經來到台灣的政權透過武力征伐、土地掠奪強烈侵害了原住民族既有的權利總統府所設的歷史正義與轉型正義委員會的設置要點也特別提到 |
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| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
1820.559 |
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要對原住民族以原住民受的侵害要立法賠償立法賠償這個原住民族重大歷史間各族群都有我們原住民族各族群都有曾經這個已經有這樣已經都有完全完成調查了這個當初也召開了一個發表會總統府行政院的政務委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
1821.603 |
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1823.165 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
教育部、國使館都要來參加 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-03-17T10:51:48.554000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-03-17T10:51:53.137000+08:00 |
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江副院長，有請卓院長。 |
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1 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-17T10:51:53.137000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T10:52:03.825000+08:00 |
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請卓院長備詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-17T10:52:03.825000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-17T10:52:04.825000+08:00 |
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鄭委員好。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-03-17T10:52:03.825000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T10:52:07.107000+08:00 |
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院長好，辛苦了。不會。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-03-17T10:52:09.068000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T10:53:33.970000+08:00 |
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我們今天先談原住民族的教育，原住民的升學保障從民國五十幾年就開始了，今天所呈現出來的是71年教育部……早期是臺灣省政府教育廳在辦，民國五十幾年就開始，報考就讀大專校院降低錄取標準25%，不限名額；在民國91年的時候，教育部修正了這個辦法，特別明定只限外加名額，外加名額限1%為原則，以前是沒有外加，只降低錄取標準25%，就錄取了；在95年的時候又做了修正，以外加2%為限；102年做了修正，是我建議修正的，後來是專案調高部分的科系，外加5%，部分的科系而已。 |
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0.885 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T10:53:37.371000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T10:53:55.727000+08:00 |
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我們看原住民就讀大專校院學生的粗在學率，107學年度全國是85.8%，到113學年度全國已經高達94.35%。 |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.821 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-03-17T10:53:55.727000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T10:54:15.512000+08:00 |
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但是原住民跟非原住民的落差，原住民一直維持在百分之五十幾，而落差的差距從107學年度的31.9%已經增加到36.85%，這個落差一直增加。 |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.982 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T10:54:16.993000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T10:54:36.829000+08:00 |
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從過去國民政府時代、民國五十幾年，過去歷任的原住民立法委員、主任委員，或是部會相關的省議員，很多都是因為有降低錄取標準25%才有機會念大學。 |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.774 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-03-17T10:54:38.310000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T10:55:00.030000+08:00 |
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在這樣的前提之下，請行政院督促教育部能夠把它調高，現在是專案調高部分科系5%，現在就全部改為外加5%，部長，是不是可以趕快修正？ |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.982 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-03-17T10:55:01.584000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-03-17T10:55:13.506000+08:00 |
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報告委員，都是國家的國民，在教育平權的理念之下，我們當然希望能夠教育更多下一代的青年人，讓他能夠為國家多做更多的服務跟貢獻。 |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-03-17T10:55:13.926000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-03-17T10:55:24.768000+08:00 |
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現在也是一個少子化的時代，到底目前這個數字呈現出來是怎麼樣，我們先來了解，我們了解之後再來看看是否有更好的一個空間。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-03-17T10:55:24.768000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-03-17T10:55:26.969000+08:00 |
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請部長來說明現在原住民就學的比率。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-03-17T10:55:28.369000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T10:55:45.018000+08:00 |
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我已經質詢部長很多次了，就按照剛才院長所答復的，請教育部協助，事實上，如果我們從這個比例來看，真的是落差很大，這是第一個。 |
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0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-03-17T10:55:45.018000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-03-17T10:55:55.515000+08:00 |
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第二，因為少子女化，很多的大專校院其實名額都沒有招滿……不足。 |
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0.885 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-03-17T10:55:56.316000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T10:56:01.863000+08:00 |
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所以這個部分真的可以調整，是不是請教育部一個月之內…… |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-03-17T10:56:03.785000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-03-17T10:56:04.005000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
請部長說明一下現況。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.444 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
鄭部長英耀 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-03-17T10:56:04.285000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T10:56:13.956000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，以今年115學年度來看，我們各個管道原住民外加的名額已經有8,286名，這裡面占我們的招生…… |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.902 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-03-17T10:56:14.016000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-03-17T10:56:14.337000+08:00 |
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部長，你的書面報告都已經給我了，重點是…… |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.588 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
鄭部長英耀 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-03-17T10:56:14.777000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-03-17T10:56:28.089000+08:00 |
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已經達到8.69%，我跟委員報告現況是這樣，事後我再把詳細的資料…… |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-03-17T10:56:28.489000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-03-17T10:56:29.749000+08:00 |
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有，書面資料我都拿到了。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.455 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-03-17T10:56:29.849000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T10:56:30.890000+08:00 |
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我上次質詢之後，你們書面資料也給我了…… |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.353 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
鄭部長英耀 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-03-17T10:56:31.450000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-03-17T10:56:33.310000+08:00 |
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也感謝委員長期關心原住民教育。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-03-17T10:56:33.310000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
1 |
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2026-03-17T10:56:36.311000+08:00 |
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重點在於我們的落差是越來越大。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.143 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
鄭部長英耀 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-03-17T10:56:36.311000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-03-17T10:56:46.574000+08:00 |
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確實我們現在對於像土木或者許多像農業或者科技的一些領域，我們也逐步在尋求跟大學合作，看是否開專班來協助原住民。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.788 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-03-17T10:56:47.094000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-03-17T10:56:49.615000+08:00 |
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有啊，那個都有，我知道，那個我都清楚。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-03-17T10:56:50.595000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T10:57:03.474000+08:00 |
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接下來，他們好不容易考上了，能不能繼續就學跟學雜費的減免也有關係。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-03-17T10:57:03.474000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T10:57:30.867000+08:00 |
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學雜費的減免也是在民國五十幾年就開始了，這個減免應該要調高，事實上，原住民族教育法也規定應該要減免學雜費，但是從112年開始，行政院針對私立大專校院學雜費減免，少繳了3.5萬，但是原住民毫無受益。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-03-17T10:57:31.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-03-17T10:57:59.816000+08:00 |
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如果我們看教育部所訂定的減免辦法，從107年1月11號修正到現在已經8年1個月了，院長、部長，已經8年1個月都沒有調整，所以從物價指數各方面來看也應該要調整，可以趕快調整嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.986 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-03-17T10:57:59.816000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-03-17T10:58:02.857000+08:00 |
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今年的預算來不及，明年的預算是不是可以來得及？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-03-17T10:58:04.128000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-03-17T10:58:08.297000+08:00 |
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我們從明年的預算開始趕快去修正這個辦法。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-03-17T10:58:09.851000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-03-17T10:58:17.816000+08:00 |
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委員應該知道我們對於私立大學的學生有3.5萬的補助，這應該是任何身分都能夠享受得到的。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.949 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-03-17T10:58:18.196000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-03-17T10:58:25.701000+08:00 |
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沒有，因為原住民本來就繳得比較少，所以完全沒有受益，這樣了解嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.893 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-03-17T10:58:25.701000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-03-17T10:58:26.441000+08:00 |
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完全沒有受益！ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-03-17T10:58:26.801000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-03-17T10:58:33.425000+08:00 |
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是，我們是分擔並減輕所有人的負擔，並沒有因為這樣子增加負擔啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-03-17T10:58:33.425000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
1 |
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2026-03-17T10:58:35.742000+08:00 |
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但是原住民完全沒有受益！ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-03-17T10:58:35.742000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-03-17T10:58:44.628000+08:00 |
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如果單從原住民來看，107年1月到現在也該調整了，趕快調整，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.885 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-03-17T10:58:46.169000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-03-17T10:58:54.916000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
再請部長去研究看看，我們已經有新的制度了，針對現行的制度跟過去的制度研究看怎麼樣對原住民朋友最有利。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.787 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-03-17T10:58:55.837000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-03-17T10:58:57.038000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
107年到現在真的很久了！ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-03-17T10:58:59.960000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-03-17T10:59:13.996000+08:00 |
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部長請回座，請內政部跟原民會，關於原住民族專屬的社會住宅，我再讓部長、院長還有原民會來回顧一下。 |
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0.837 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T10:59:15.777000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:00:16.773000+08:00 |
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民國81年，臺灣省政府就興建了原住民國宅，總共花了一億五千多萬，這個是原住民國宅；84年內政部、臺灣省政府跟臺北縣政府花了二億一千多萬價購新店中正原住民住宅；在民國88年，中央原民會編列了四億九千多萬購置了汐止花東新村的原住民住宅；民國91年蘇貞昌當臺北縣長的時候，那時候我是副主委，臺北縣政府也跟中央原民會協助編列了兩億八千多萬的經費，興建在三峽原住民族文化部落，這是現在的照片。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:00:19.442000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:00:42.049000+08:00 |
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我剛剛講的都是還沒有原住民族基本法的時候、還沒有住宅法的時候，原住民族基本法第十六條規定，政府應策訂原住民族住宅政策；第二十八條也規定，對都會區的原住民要保障安居的權利。 |
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| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:00:45.030000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:00:56.889000+08:00 |
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住宅法第二條第四項於105年12月修正，目的事業主管機關應視原住民族教育及語言文化的需要。 |
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| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:00:57.770000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:01:00.833000+08:00 |
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為什麼會提到教育及語言文化？ |
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0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:01:01.354000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:01:31.408000+08:00 |
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因為我們如果在都會區散居的話，你要這些相關的課程或是教育的提升有它的困難；社會住宅的話，集中在一個國小、集中在一個國中，各方面教育的提升都會有幫助，才會有住宅法第二條第四項的規定，所以要興辦專供原住民族的社會住宅。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:01:32.709000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:02:31.102000+08:00 |
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這個法律從105年到現在也很多年了，我雖然質詢過，106年質詢過內政部，當時內政部說可以用內政部的住宅基金，但是這麼多年了之後，我們看原住民在都會區自有住宅率的落差高達27%到百分之三十幾，落差很大，尤其是我們原住民都會區人口已經占全臺灣原住民人口的52.63%，所以在都會區有設戶籍的是52.63%，如果加上沒有設戶籍，戶籍還在原鄉的，所以平常居住在都會區的高達70%以上。 |
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| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:02:33.843000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:02:47.424000+08:00 |
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這些住宅尤其是要承租的住宅，如果有社會住宅的話會更好，對原住民的教育、語言、文化傳承都會有很大的幫助。 |
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0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:02:49.684000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:03:38.387000+08:00 |
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臺中市、新北市、桃園市政府曾經提出三個專供原住民族的社會住宅，但是內政部說沒有錢、原民會也說沒有錢，我們本來很希望原民會的綜合發展基金也可以來使用，原民會也說沒有錢，所以住宅法這個部分已經修正9年3個月了，現在連一個原住民族的社會住宅都沒有，跟原基法之前，政府都可以主動編列這麼多的經費，是不是請行政院院長督促、督導內政部、原民會提供相關的資源？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.892 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-17T11:03:40.975000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:03:41.095000+08:00 |
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請劉部長回答。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-03-17T11:03:42.336000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:03:45.018000+08:00 |
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謝謝院長，謝謝鄭委員的關心。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
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2026-03-17T11:03:45.738000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:04:02.068000+08:00 |
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我先跟鄭委員講一下住宅法的主管機關當然是內政部，但是我們所興建的社會住宅是只租不賣，跟剛剛委員所提到原住民在都會地區自有住宅比率是不一樣的，完全不一樣的。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:04:02.068000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-17T11:04:03.068000+08:00 |
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知道，沒錯。 |
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0 |
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劉部長世芳 |
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2026-03-17T11:04:02.889000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:04:05.050000+08:00 |
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不是自有住宅，這是第一個。 |
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0.818 |
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劉部長世芳 |
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2026-03-17T11:04:05.431000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:04:18.542000+08:00 |
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現在根據規定，如果是原民會，它是目的事業主管機關，跟地方政府有達成共識需要興辦，前期規劃的話，我們在經費上面可以補助。 |
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0.943 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
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2026-03-17T11:04:19.322000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:04:35.360000+08:00 |
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另外也跟委員報告一下，現在行政院通過的百萬戶租屋家庭的計畫裡面有三種，包括原住民身分的人都可以來申請，一個是租金補貼、一個是包租代管，這是民宅；另外一個就是社會住宅。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.987 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
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2026-03-17T11:04:36.281000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:05:07.856000+08:00 |
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您剛剛也看到社會住宅從土地開始取得到真正建構完成，通常都要8年到10年以上的時間，所以對於目前比較需求社會住宅的人，我們會鼓勵他從地方政府開始去申請剛剛我說的這三項補助，租金補貼也可以、包租代管也可以、社會住宅當然也可以，目前在新北聚落裡面所需要社宅的比例，中央是三分之二，地方是三分之一…… |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:05:08.556000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:05:41.010000+08:00 |
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部長，你都沒有照我的問題回答，你講的那些我都知道，尤其租屋補助是我開創的，我在原民會當副主委的時候，跟當時的尤哈尼主委及當時行政院張俊雄院長提出租屋補助開辦的政策，是從原住民開始，後來才擴大到由內政部主管，擴大到不分族群，那些我都很清楚。 |
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0.835 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:05:41.911000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:05:56.121000+08:00 |
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我們現在談的是，住宅法既然明定已經九年三個多月了，要興建、要興辦原住民族…… |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
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2026-03-17T11:05:57.102000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:06:01.065000+08:00 |
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那是根據原住民族教育法，不是根據住宅法。 |
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| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
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2026-03-17T11:06:02.286000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:06:19.758000+08:00 |
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住宅法裡面規定的目的事業主管機關，包括其他的部會如果有需求，譬如交通部、經濟部也可以這樣子來興建，我們站在住宅法上面是會協助，包括在規劃階段、籌備階段，或者是都市計畫要通過的階段，都可以來協助。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:06:22.160000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:07:02.979000+08:00 |
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部長，這個是住宅法第二條第四項，不是原住民族基本法，這個議題要請院長會後請內政部跟原民會，法律既然制定了，而且制定的時候，民進黨在立法院多數是支持的，所以這個部分請趕快去處理。 |
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0.975 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:07:04.599000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:07:05.220000+08:00 |
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部長請回座。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:07:06.680000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:07:20.667000+08:00 |
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接下來是原住民族綜合發展基金，這個很重要，如果有這個基金且能夠維持，剛才講的那些問題，經費來源都不是問題了。 |
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0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:07:23.099000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:08:33.511000+08:00 |
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我們看原住民族基本法第十八條規定，要設原住民族綜合發展基金，早期叫經濟事業發展基金，是我在臺灣省政府擔任原住民行政局副局長的時候，應省議員的要求開始設了這個基金，當初的目標就是100億，精省之後，立法委員繼續督促原民會要設這個，所以原住民族綜合發展基金曾經高達決算數一百一十七億七千多萬，然後因為中央政府違法挪用作為禁伐補償之用，總共違法挪用五十三億多將近54億，在這樣的情形之下，這個決算數113年已經累積短絀六十八億八千多萬。 |
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0.892 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:08:35.951000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:09:28.218000+08:00 |
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立法院在第9屆第2會期作了一個決議，當時民進黨在立法院是絕對多數，也同意支持這個提案，原住民族綜合發展基金用在禁伐補償是有違預算法及原基法，而且這個決議特別提到行政院應該發還被挪用的53億，將近54億，這個經費如果能夠有的話，剛剛講的跟後面我要講的，包括住宅興辦，就有經費支應。 |
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0.919 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:09:29.839000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:09:58.639000+08:00 |
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院長，因為這個部分不是原民會可以決定的，預算編列要不要增加公務預算去撥補這個基金，是行政院的權責，是不是可以依立法院決議發還被挪用的54億左右經費，院長，可以嗎？ |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-17T11:09:58.639000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:10:15.678000+08:00 |
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我記得鄭委員過去也提過這個問題，當初我們說綜合發展基金的用途如何，目前有沒有發生在財務使用上的急迫性需求，請原民會先說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:10:18.319000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:10:33.349000+08:00 |
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原民會曾主委已經跟我說明過很多次了，事實上沒有這個經費會在運用上真的差很多。 |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-17T11:10:33.349000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-17T11:10:34.990000+08:00 |
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請曾主委說明。 |
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| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
曾主任委員智勇 |
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2026-03-17T11:10:34.990000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-17T11:10:36.631000+08:00 |
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會逐年……包括…… |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
曾主任委員智勇 |
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2026-03-17T11:10:36.631000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:10:43.956000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，會逐年把經費補過來，只是沒辦法一下子補這麼多，會逐年還給我們。 |
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0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:10:44.277000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:10:56.554000+08:00 |
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要請主委多多向院長、主計長報告，拜託多撥補一點。會。 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-17T11:10:58.695000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:11:10.238000+08:00 |
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報告委員，對法定的基金，我認為一定要先維持用途上不發生困難；第二，我們看國家的財政狀況如何，逐年達到法定基金的法定條件。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:11:11.858000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:11:24.621000+08:00 |
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有這個基金，對於剛剛講的專屬原住民族的社會住宅就會有很大幫助，我剛剛講為什麼住宅法會這樣定？ |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:11:26.729000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:11:33.956000+08:00 |
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除了一般的安居之外，最重要就是為了教育。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:11:35.918000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:11:41.443000+08:00 |
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我說一個故事，租屋補助是怎麼來的？ |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:11:44.796000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:12:18.468000+08:00 |
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我常常在都會區拜訪我們的鄉親，我當初從省府一直到中央服務去拜訪我們的鄉親，我們鄉親因為沒辦法租適當的房子，所以租一小間，一家大大小小住在一起，晚上父母親在看電視，孩子在旁邊做功課，他真的在做功課嗎？ |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:12:19.368000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:12:19.608000+08:00 |
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一直看電視、聽電視。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:12:26.391000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:12:46.121000+08:00 |
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我們過去講原住民族教育的問題，過去在偏鄉是因為資源有限，已經到都會區了，結果仍然沒有辦法提升原住民族的教育，所以我才會提出租屋補助，租屋補助是這樣來的。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:12:47.182000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:13:10.871000+08:00 |
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當時經建會審查的時候跟他們說明，也跟行政院說明之後，很快就通過了，租屋補助是這樣來的，對教育有幫助，現在是對語言文化有幫助，所以有這個基金可以做很多事情。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:13:13.072000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:14:12.972000+08:00 |
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主委，我們不要說我現在做多少就好，不可以，我們要更好，何況法律已經明定專屬原住民的社會住宅，包括下面原住民保留地貸款，謝謝主委積極協調相關的機關、銀行，信用保證作業要點訂出來了，現在開始實施了，但是如果跟其他房貸的利率比較的話，原住民保留地的借款人負擔2.72%、原民會補貼1.28%，總共4%要給銀行，現在是三家銀行，對不對？對。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:14:12.972000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:14:54.144000+08:00 |
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4%，一般的銀行都是百分之二點多、一點多，差那麼多，如果我們綜合發展基金更有經費的話，不一定要補貼利息，我們用保證，如果萬一我們鄉親沒有返還貸款，原住民保留地拍賣，只能原住民買，但是如果有綜合發展基金跟銀行、跟土銀說我保證全部還，利率自然就會降低，所以跟這部分有關係。 |
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曾主任委員智勇 |
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2026-03-17T11:14:54.144000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:15:06.431000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，因為我們這次信用貸款的利率已經比一般銀行要稍微低了，我們好不容易希望原住民保留地能夠有這個價值可以去貸款，這是重點。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:15:07.191000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:15:28.285000+08:00 |
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主委，我沒有否定，這個政策很好，過去我當副主委的時候，也曾經中斷了很長時間，陳水扁當總統及張俊雄當院長的時候，我們提出過且也實施過，但後來因為其他因素，我就不多說了，然後就中斷了。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:15:28.285000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:15:31.006000+08:00 |
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現在主委讓這個政策能夠恢復很好，但是我們必須要給你…… |
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曾主任委員智勇 |
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2026-03-17T11:15:31.947000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:15:35.368000+08:00 |
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原住民可以用自己的地去貸款，這也是停了很久了，現在我們要趕快來做。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:15:35.508000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:15:45.312000+08:00 |
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行政院必須要給你更好的，而且是要依原住民族基本法第十八條的法律。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:15:46.606000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:16:13.994000+08:00 |
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另外，也曾經高達一百多億的綜合發展基金，我們把它弄回來，在還回來之後，你就可以更善用這個基金，包括我們原住民的相關住宅或是貸款，甚至其他的創業貸款都會更好，對原住民族而言會更有幫助，好不好？加油。 |
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曾主任委員智勇 |
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2026-03-17T11:16:13.994000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:16:15.315000+08:00 |
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謝謝委員。 |
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曾主任委員智勇 |
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2026-03-17T11:16:15.315000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:16:23.498000+08:00 |
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但是這個貸款以目前來講，以前沒有做過，我們現在來做，我相信這一定更能夠照顧我們原住民的族人。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:16:24.919000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:16:37.146000+08:00 |
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因為基金有限，所以目前的利率比以前對我們原住民，包括原民會來講都是負擔比較重。 |
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曾主任委員智勇 |
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2026-03-17T11:16:37.746000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:16:42.228000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，也希望我們族人能夠一起提升自己的授信條件…… |
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0.72 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:16:42.228000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:16:43.228000+08:00 |
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當然、當然。 |
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曾主任委員智勇 |
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2026-03-17T11:16:43.148000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:16:44.889000+08:00 |
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這畢竟是貸款，不是補助啦！ |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:16:44.889000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:16:46.549000+08:00 |
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對，我知道。 |
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曾主任委員智勇 |
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2026-03-17T11:16:46.549000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:16:47.990000+08:00 |
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我要特別跟族人報告。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:16:47.990000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:16:52.771000+08:00 |
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因為時間的關係，議題還很多。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:16:52.771000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:17:46.113000+08:00 |
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有關原住民族自治法及原住民族土地及海域法，上一次在去年10月31日質詢卓院長的時候，請行政院遵守中華民國憲法增修條文；陳水扁前總統代表中華民國政府與原住民族簽訂的協定，也就是條約，並遵守原住民族基本法；蔡總統向原住民族的承諾是加快腳步將原住民族自治法及土海法送到立法院審議；行政院也曾經承諾在105年12月底以前，會將土海法送到立法院。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:17:47.526000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:18:24.033000+08:00 |
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上次質詢的時候，特別請院長能夠在12月以前提出這兩個草案，但到現在都還沒有提出，當然主委跟院長會說，以前送來都是幾進幾出，因為我上次有講，上次送的都很晚，都等到立法院會期屆期快要到了才送進來，曾經有一次真正在立法院審查過。 |
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| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:18:27.994000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:18:36.104000+08:00 |
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再來，我在110年3月12日質詢蘇貞昌前院長的時候，他說我會分流立法。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:18:39.007000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:19:27.873000+08:00 |
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我現在請院長指派政務委及相關部會研議，行政院曾經在103年12月18日送了原住民族自治暫行條例，會有這個暫行條例是當時的考試院院長姚嘉文前院長跟當時孫大川擔任主任委員的時候，所提的建議，他提的建議是什麼呢？ |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:19:28.274000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:19:30.256000+08:00 |
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原住民族要自治，可以！ |
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| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:19:31.357000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:20:10.560000+08:00 |
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但是不要影響到相關的，尤其是花蓮縣、臺東縣，不要造成廢縣，所以他提出了像國家公園區域的概念，行政院同意並且送了這部自治暫行條例，在立法院審查了非常多次，包括委員會還有朝野協商，基本上完成協商，但是很可惜沒有三讀通過，現在可以再拿來討論。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:20:11.961000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:20:55.908000+08:00 |
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族區自治政府不影響原來的地方自治事項，花蓮縣政府、臺東縣政府、屏東縣政府的自治事項不受影響，它就針對傳統社會服務、民族教育、文化及語言、自然保育、原住民族土地及自然資源管理、事業經營及管理等事項，這個部分因為時間的關係，而且也很複雜，就請院長是不是指派政務委員召集相關的部會來討論當時的草案，包括立法院當時協商條文的建議，可以嗎？ |
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曾主任委員智勇 |
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2026-03-17T11:20:55.908000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:20:56.309000+08:00 |
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我們會整理…… |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-03-17T11:20:56.629000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:20:58.430000+08:00 |
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先請原民會把它整理出來。 |
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曾主任委員智勇 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-03-17T11:20:58.430000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:21:02.412000+08:00 |
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我們整理出來跟院長報告，好不好？好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:21:02.613000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:21:26.930000+08:00 |
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接下來是原住民族重大歷史事件，這個要跟院長特別來說明，蔡總統在105年8月1日特別提到「四百年來，每一個曾經來到臺灣的政權，透過武力征伐、土地掠奪，強烈侵害了原住民族既有的權利」。 |
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| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:21:29.271000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:21:41.961000+08:00 |
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總統府所設的歷史正義與轉型正義委員會設置要點，也特別提到，要對原住民族與原住民所受的侵害要立法賠償。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-03-17T11:21:44.423000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:22:05.145000+08:00 |
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原住民族重大歷史事件各族群都有，這個部分已經都有完成調查了，當初也召開了一個發表會，總統府、行政院政務委員、教育部、國史館都有來參加，關於這個部分因為時間的關係，我也有草案，請行政院參考我的草案，能夠提出行政院的版本。 |
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| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-17T11:22:05.645000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:22:09.359286+08:00 |
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謝謝委員，我們來了解歷史，謝謝。 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-17T11:22:09.659286+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:22:12.516429+08:00 |
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謝謝鄭委員、謝謝卓院長。 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-17T11:22:12.816429+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:22:15.959286+08:00 |
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下一位請賴惠員委員質詢。 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-17T11:22:16.259286+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T11:22:28.259286+08:00 |
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報告院會，現在在議場二樓旁聽席的是東吳大學政治系的同學，在此熱烈地歡迎他們，welcome。 |
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