| IVOD_ID |
162705 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162705 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-3-36,15-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制、內政委員會第3次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制、內政委員會第3次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-19T10:12:03+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-19T10:18:41+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:38 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/19817250edeb8a730580efa47e51b02ac914d80f272b5bb4fe48e1f12328ce2494885ffc673e66ca5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張宏陸 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:12:03 - 10:18:41 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制、內政委員會第3次聯席會議（事由：一、併案審查（一）委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人、（二）台灣民眾黨黨團、（三）委員張智倫等17人、（四）委員葉元之等21人及（五）委員羅美玲等18人分別擬具「內政部組織法第五條條文修正草案」案。
二、併案審查（一）台灣民眾黨黨團、（二）委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人、（三）國民黨黨團、（四）委員張智倫等17人、（五）委員葉元之等21人及（六）委員羅美玲等18人分別擬具「內政部新住民發展署組織法草案」案。） |
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來 我請次長麻煩次長委員好次長我們今天在討論這個法案之前在內政委員會有討論大家對要訂基本法或權益保障法就有很大的分歧我相信這個次長也知道次長我請問一下對新住民我們要不要照顧要 |
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要嘛 我也認為要啊但有很多的新住民他也不願意一輩子人家稱呼他新住民吧對 應該不要標籤化不要標籤化對啊 我覺得內政部啊可以對我們新住民這些做一個民調看有多少人是希望永遠被稱呼新住民或是他希望人家以後就跟他講你是中華國 |
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民國的國民你就是台灣人我覺得你們可以去做一些這個民調讓社會大眾知道我覺得很多人跟我講說他不想永遠都被叫新住民啊而且對他的下一代好像也覺得不勝公平啊對不對所以社會上有不同的聲音而且次長 |
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如果新住民拿到台灣中華民國的身份證他到底是不是中華民國的國民包委當然是拿到身份證拿到身份證之後那一刻他的身份是不是就轉變了他就是國人他的身份是不是轉變了我要 |
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市長你要說這一句他的身份是不是就是轉變為國人他的身份已經轉變了是的 拿到身份證一定是中華民國的國民對嘛所以我們要保障我們要照顧新住民確實是要但也不能用一個什麼叫做新住民的基本法把他的身份框一輩子 |
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把他身份框一輩子好像覺得說對他特別照顧但其實也有某種相對一個反面的感覺他是不同的人他永遠沒有辦法融入台灣這個社會永遠沒有辦法真正成為一個台灣人會不會有這種情況啊 市長 |
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189.633 |
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其實我當然會希望新住民基本法去施行的結果是第一個是要讓他成為我國國民之後融入台灣社會這才是我們的目的那對於他的其他的業務如何融入在文化教育或者是就業給予一些協助我想這才是應該新住民基本法的最主要目的融入之後然後成為我國的國民當然就是我國的國民就依照我們國民的相關規定沒有還有一個很重要的觀點 |
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219.406 |
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我們的原住民族基本法原住民族他是在台灣這塊土地上他有特殊的文化他有特殊的傳統他們的風俗而且他是比我們都還找到台灣這塊土地的人所以他有他的特殊性他有他的文化歷史幾千年來的你一個移民到台灣來的人他應該是最想要融入台灣吧 |
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239.916 |
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是不是應該是對啊那應該是我們用法律把他框住了框住他不能變為真正的台灣人我覺得這個好像是有點說不過去我們要保障是他在到台灣的時候還沒有拿到 |
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身份證的時候這一段的期間我們要去輔導他去保護他有一些這一點應該是一個短暫的時刻而不是永遠我覺得舉例來講美國算是一個很大的移民社會吧美國有這些法律嗎雖然沒社會但是我相信都是一個文化不同的世界移民到美國我跟你講 |
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294.726 |
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你要成為美國公民的時候不是要宣誓你現在開始這一刻就是美國公民然後你要盡很多的義務什麼的這個就很簡單啊美國是一個最大的移民社會啊那我們要讓任何人來台灣我覺得最重要的就是要讓他認同台灣而不是把他框住你要把保護他要什麼是一段的過程而且今天的修法 |
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311.193 |
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還有說國家考試要保障這個新住民我不知道次長你認為妥善不妥善雖然這不是你的業務我不知道次長你的看法 |
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312.994 |
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338.386 |
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謝謝委員那我想我們國家的規定其實有行政院有立法院有考試院等等相關的院那各有各的職長跟權責啦那我相信國家考試任用這是考試院的權責所以我們內政部其實就算我們是三級機關未來這個成立這個新住民發展署其實也應該不能逾越這個考試的權責是這樣子不過重點是如果他可以參加國家考試 |
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350.405 |
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他要不要有台灣的身份證他是不是中華民國的國民重點是在這裡啊我覺得要統一啦因為只要是國民應該享有權利義務都是平均的 |
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350.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
368.98 |
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對啊他已經拿到身份證了他才能去參加國家考試啊對不對我們是要保障他在拿到身份證這之前我們要好好的保障他我覺得台灣啊雖然也是個移民社會但台灣的新住民問題沒有那麼複雜我們不要把它搞複雜在國外 |
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還有難民的問題台灣目前是沒有的我們就跑好的把新住民該給的照顧把它做好不要複雜化這樣子我覺得把它複雜化新住民也不是他的福利啦不知道部長你的看法 次長你的看法謝謝委員 我想委員剛剛講的部分其實我個人十分認同好 謝謝好 謝謝那我們下一位請 |